Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
On 2012-04-03 12:36, Simon Legner wrote: Hi, I tried to simplify and re-organize the Wiki main page. Due to the spam filter, I cannot create a new temporary Wiki page (e.g., WikiStartNew) to view, improve, discuss the new page. For this reason, I attached the WikiText. Perhaps someone with a higher level of confidence of not introducing spam, can create a Wiki page. Any improvements, suggestions, comments are welcome :-) I was able to create this page without a hitch: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mdeen/josm It's not really pretty though. Was this what you designed? Especially the use of * to make these boxes is IMHO not good wiki design. Regards, Maarten ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
Hi! On 03/04/12 13:47, Maarten Deen wrote: > > I was able to create this page without a hitch: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mdeen/josm > > It's not really pretty though. Was this what you designed? It was intended for the JOSM Wiki: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki It should look better over there ;-) Cheers, Simon ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
On 2012-04-03 12:55, Simon Legner wrote: Hi! On 03/04/12 13:47, Maarten Deen wrote: I was able to create this page without a hitch: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Mdeen/josm It's not really pretty though. Was this what you designed? It was intended for the JOSM Wiki: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki It should look better over there ;-) Oops! My bad. Maarten ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Simon Legner wrote: I tried to simplify and re-organize the Wiki main page. Due to the spam filter, I cannot create a new temporary Wiki page (e.g., WikiStartNew) to view, improve, discuss the new page. For this reason, I attached the WikiText. Perhaps someone with a higher level of confidence of not introducing spam, can create a Wiki page. Any improvements, suggestions, comments are welcome :-) Cut down larger changes into some smaller ones and the spam filter wont stop you. I increased the positive points a bit, so it may now also work without splits. That a wiki admin is filtered by spam filter is a bug in spam filter I think. I will have to look at it. Ciao -- http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
The new design for the main page is good, I would simplify the list of
download options even more:
* OS independent
* Windows installer
* Mac OS Package
(and maybe the webstart option, but I'm not sure it needs to be
recommended that much)
-> other [[Download]] options
Then move all other options to the separate Download page. There is no
need to link to the latest development version from the main page. On
the separate page, there is more room for explanation.
Here is HTML/table layout I did earlier, but never finished, maybe you
find it useful:
{{{
#!table style="border:none;"
{{{#!tr
{{{#!td align=left valign=top style="background:#eee; font-size:
120%; padding: 0px 15px 15px 13px; border: 2px ridge #aaa"
[[Image(source:trunk/images/download.png, valign=middle, link=)]]
Download [/josm-tested.jar josm-tested.jar] (version
[[Version(tested)]])[[br]]
{{{#!span style="font-size: 83%"
recommended version, all platforms ([wiki:InstallNotes#Running how to run])
}}}
}}}
}}}
{{{#!tr
{{{#!td style="border: none;height:10px"
}}}
}}}
{{{#!tr
{{{#!td align=left valign=top style="background:#eee; font-size:
120%; padding: 0px 15px 0px 13px; border: 2px ridge #aaa"
[/download/windows/josm-setup.exe Windows installer] (version
[[Version(tested)]])
}}}
}}}
{{{#!tr
{{{#!td style="border: none;height:10px"
}}}
}}}
{{{#!tr
{{{#!td align=left valign=top style="background:#eee; font-size:
120%; padding: 0px 15px 0px 13px; border: 2px ridge #aaa"
[/download/macosx/josm-macosx.zip Mac OS X package] (version
[[Version(tested)]])
}}}
}}}
}}}
Paul
2012/4/3, Dirk Stöcker :
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Simon Legner wrote:
>
>> I tried to simplify and re-organize the Wiki main page.
>>
>> Due to the spam filter, I cannot create a new temporary Wiki page (e.g.,
>> WikiStartNew) to view, improve, discuss the new page. For this reason, I
>> attached the WikiText. Perhaps someone with a higher level of confidence
>> of not introducing spam, can create a Wiki page.
>>
>> Any improvements, suggestions, comments are welcome :-)
>
> Cut down larger changes into some smaller ones and the spam filter wont
> stop you.
>
> I increased the positive points a bit, so it may now also work without
> splits. That a wiki admin is filtered by spam filter is a bug in spam
> filter I think. I will have to look at it.
>
> Ciao
> --
> http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available)
>
>
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Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
Hi! On 03/04/12 16:25, Paul Hartmann wrote: > (and maybe the webstart option, but I'm not sure it needs to be > recommended that much) I think it should. On the FOSSGIS I met a few people using a very outdated version of JOSM (half to one year old) because they didn't care about updating. This comes for free when using Web Start. Are there disadvantages? > There is no > need to link to the latest development version from the main page. Are there any usage statistics "tested vs. latest"? When sticking to the table, I'd keep the row for the latest version as it shows the current revision number and may be useful for some people. Simon ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
Hi! On 03/04/12 14:57, Dirk Stöcker wrote: > I increased the positive points a bit, so it may now also work without > splits. That a wiki admin is filtered by spam filter is a bug in spam > filter I think. I will have to look at it. That did the trick. I could create a new page at once without entering any I'm-human-code. :-) Simon ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Simon Legner wrote: Hi! On 03/04/12 16:25, Paul Hartmann wrote: (and maybe the webstart option, but I'm not sure it needs to be recommended that much) I think it should. On the FOSSGIS I met a few people using a very outdated version of JOSM (half to one year old) because they didn't care about updating. This comes for free when using Web Start. Are there disadvantages? There are people using much older versions (1759 is from 2009), see below :-) There is no need to link to the latest development version from the main page. Are there any usage statistics "tested vs. latest"? When sticking to the table, I'd keep the row for the latest version as it shows the current revision number and may be useful for some people. About 50% use tested, about 40% use older tested versions. About 5% use latest (or previous latest :-). Stats for April till today (note that absolute numbers very likely are wrong, as only uncached calls to load a new MOTD are counted): Left: sorted by version Right: sorted by percentage Stars: Tested versions 1 ( 0.0%) 1759 1 ( 0.0%) 3791 1 ( 0.0%)*1981 1 ( 0.0%) 4379 27 ( 0.6%) 2255 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4857 1 ( 0.0%) 2281 1 ( 0.0%) 4574 2 ( 0.0%)*2561 1 ( 0.0%) 5145 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 3187 1 ( 0.0%) 4831 6 ( 0.1%)*3208 1 ( 0.0%) 3652 6 ( 0.1%)*3329 1 ( 0.0%) 4515 10 ( 0.2%)*3376 1 ( 0.0%) 4777 11 ( 0.3%) 3376 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4717 5 ( 0.1%) 3404 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 5118 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 3501 1 ( 0.0%) 4738 9 ( 0.2%)*3514 1 ( 0.0%)*1981 3 ( 0.1%)*3592 1 ( 0.0%) 3688 1 ( 0.0%) 3599 1 ( 0.0%) 4879 2 ( 0.0%) 3627 1 ( 0.0%) 5049 1 ( 0.0%) 3652 1 ( 0.0%) 5093 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 3685 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4900 1 ( 0.0%) 3688 1 ( 0.0%) 4729 2 ( 0.0%)*3695 1 ( 0.0%) 5141 SVN 5 ( 0.1%)*3701 1 ( 0.0%) 3685 SVN 44 ( 1.0%)*3751 1 ( 0.0%) 4913 1 ( 0.0%) 3791 1 ( 0.0%) 5158 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 3828 1 ( 0.0%) 3187 1 ( 0.0%) 3925 1 ( 0.0%) 4608 1 ( 0.0%)*3961 1 ( 0.0%) 4789 12 ( 0.3%)*3966 1 ( 0.0%) 5116 SVN 10 ( 0.2%)*4021 1 ( 0.0%) 1759 168 ( 4.0%)*4064 1 ( 0.0%) 5029 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4114 1 ( 0.0%) 4398 1 ( 0.0%) 4157 1 ( 0.0%) 4399 SVN 211 ( 5.0%)*4201 1 ( 0.0%) 3501 3 ( 0.1%) 4203 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4630 12 ( 0.3%)*4223 1 ( 0.0%) 5064 1 ( 0.0%) 4223 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4596 1 ( 0.0%) 4264 1 ( 0.0%) 4660 50 ( 1.2%)*4279 1 ( 0.0%) 5126 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4279 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 5026 1 ( 0.0%) 4317 1 ( 0.0%) 3925 1 ( 0.0%) 4379 1 ( 0.0%) 4223 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4398 1 ( 0.0%) 5143 SVN 38 ( 0.9%)*4399 1 ( 0.0%) 4114 1 ( 0.0%) 4399 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4157 1 ( 0.0%) 4483 1 ( 0.0%) 5133 SVN 53 ( 1.3%)*4487 1 ( 0.0%) 3828 1 ( 0.0%) 4488 1 ( 0.0%) 4279 SVN 2 ( 0.0%) 4514 1 ( 0.0%)*3961 1 ( 0.0%) 4515 1 ( 0.0%) 4707 1 ( 0.0%) 4517 1 ( 0.0%) 4488 1 ( 0.0%) 4542 1 ( 0.0%) 4903 91 ( 2.2%)*4550 1 ( 0.0%) 4317 8 ( 0.2%) 4550 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 5033 1 ( 0.0%) 4574 1 ( 0.0%) 4824 1 ( 0.0%) 4596 1 ( 0.0%) 5088 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4608 1 ( 0.0%) 4842 2 ( 0.0%) 4623 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4756 1 ( 0.0%) 4630 1 ( 0.0%) 4644 1 ( 0.0%) 4644 1 ( 0.0%) 4760 1 ( 0.0%) 4660 1 ( 0.0%) 4517 21 ( 0.5%)*4666 1 ( 0.0%) 4788 SVN 165 ( 3.9%)*4667 1 ( 0.0%) 4264 2 ( 0.0%) 4667 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4483 1 ( 0.0%) 4707 1 ( 0.0%) 4542 1 ( 0.0%) 4717 1 ( 0.0%) 4980 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4729 1 ( 0.0%) 5003 1 ( 0.0%) 4738 1 ( 0.0%) 5125 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4756 1 ( 0.0%) 2281 1 ( 0.0%) 4760 1 ( 0.0%) 3599 2 ( 0.0%) 4765 1 ( 0.0%) 4818 1 ( 0.0%) 4777 2 ( 0.0%) 5023 1 ( 0.0%) 4788 SVN 2 ( 0.0%)*3695 1 ( 0.0%) 4789 2 ( 0.0%) 5160 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4818 2 ( 0.0%) 5074 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4824 2 ( 0.0%) 5147 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4831 2 ( 0.0%)*2561 1 ( 0.0%) 4842 2 ( 0.0%) 5064 SVN 1 ( 0.0%) 4857 2 ( 0.0%) 4765 4 ( 0.1%) 4863 2 ( 0.0%) 5105 482 (11.4%)*4878 2 ( 0.0%) 4907 1 ( 0.0%) 4879 2 ( 0.0%) 4514 1 ( 0.0%) 4900 2 ( 0.0%) 5014 1 ( 0.0%) 4903 2 ( 0.0%) 4623 SVN 2 ( 0.0%) 4907 2 ( 0.0%) 5027 1 ( 0.0%) 4913 2 ( 0.0%) 4667 SVN 2 ( 0.0%) 4918 2 ( 0.0%) 4918 3 ( 0.1%) 4934 2 ( 0.0%) 5139 SVN 3 ( 0.1%) 4949 2 ( 0.0%) 4961 2 ( 0.0%) 4961 2 ( 0.0%) 3627 1 ( 0.0%) 4980 SVN 2 ( 0.0%) 5046 1 ( 0.0%) 5003 3 ( 0.1%) 5088 2 ( 0.0%) 5014 3 ( 0.1%)*35
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
The new design (version 4) is really great, I love it ! :) ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
On 04/03/2012 04:34 PM, Simon Legner wrote: > Hi! > > On 03/04/12 16:25, Paul Hartmann wrote: >> (and maybe the webstart option, but I'm not sure it needs to be >> recommended that much) > > I think it should. On the FOSSGIS I met a few people using a very > outdated version of JOSM (half to one year old) because they didn't care > about updating. This comes for free when using Web Start. Are there > disadvantages? The problems I remembered with Java Web Start seem to be outdated. In fact the cache/update mechanism is quite nice. The only disadvantage I can see at the moment is missing console output and worse desktop integration. When we have Autoupdate options for the Windows installer, this should significantly reduce the outdated versions in use. >> There is no >> need to link to the latest development version from the main page. > > Are there any usage statistics "tested vs. latest"? When sticking to the > table, I'd keep the row for the latest version as it shows the current > revision number and may be useful for some people. I'm not insisting on this. But if someone isn't interested in all the options and just wants to use the software, the layout should be clear and simple. * -> Webstart Win -> Win installer Mac -> Mac installer (Ubuntu -> Ubuntu package) Other -> jar file In the current draft (v. 5) I'm missing the link to the advanced Download options. This line could contain the "latest" version. E.g. "Current development version (5161), Ubuntu package repository and other Download download options." Paul ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
Hi Paul! On 04/04/12 12:26, Paul Hartmann wrote: > I'm not insisting on this. But if someone isn't interested in all the > options and just wants to use the software, the layout should be clear > and simple. I agree in the meanwhile (especially after looking at Dirk's statistics) :-) > In the current draft (v. 5) I'm missing the link to the advanced > Download options. This line could contain the "latest" version. E.g. The link is in the title, but [cs]ould be more obvious … > "Current development version (5161), Ubuntu package repository and other > Download download options." Looks good. Simon ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
Hi all, I think the current version of the new(?) WikiStart page [1] offers a concise introduction to the JOSM website. Thanks to all contributors. :-) Do you think it's ready to replace the current WikiStart page? Cheers, Simon [1] http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/WikiStartNew ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
Simon Legner schrieb am 05.04.2012 12:48: I think the current version of the new(?) WikiStart page [1] offers a concise introduction to the JOSM website. Thanks to all contributors. :-) Do you think it's ready to replace the current WikiStart page? Cheers, Simon [1] http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/WikiStartNew Very nice. Thanks. I would like to have a webstart for the latest josm. I build it for my own (edited the jnlp), but a link in the table of http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Download would be very nice. -- regards Holger ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
On 04/05/2012 12:48 PM, Simon Legner wrote: > Hi all, > > I think the current version of the new(?) WikiStart page [1] offers a > concise introduction to the JOSM website. Thanks to all contributors. :-) > > Do you think it's ready to replace the current WikiStart page? Yes, it's much better than the current page... Paul ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
On 07/04/12 00:02, Paul Hartmann wrote: >> > Do you think it's ready to replace the current WikiStart page? > Yes, it's much better than the current page... Is there a Trac Wiki copy mechanism (to keep the history), or has one to use copy&paste? Simon ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
On 04/07/2012 12:07 AM, Simon Legner wrote: > On 07/04/12 00:02, Paul Hartmann wrote: Do you think it's ready to replace the current WikiStart page? >> Yes, it's much better than the current page... > > Is there a Trac Wiki copy mechanism (to keep the history), or has one to > use copy&paste? I'd prefer to keep the history of the old WikiStart over the new (short) history. I doubt there is a way to merge both histories, so copy&paste it is. Paul ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
Hi! On 07/04/12 13:02, Paul Hartmann wrote: > On 04/07/2012 12:07 AM, Simon Legner wrote: >> On 07/04/12 00:02, Paul Hartmann wrote: > Do you think it's ready to replace the current WikiStart page? >>> Yes, it's much better than the current page... >> >> Is there a Trac Wiki copy mechanism (to keep the history), or has one to >> use copy&paste? > > I'd prefer to keep the history of the old WikiStart over the new (short) > history. I doubt there is a way to merge both histories, so copy&paste > it is. Done. The new Wiki start page is live: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/WikiStart I guess, the temporary page should be deleted … Cheers, Simon ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
Hi! On 05/04/12 13:27, Holger Jeromin wrote: > I would like to have a webstart for the latest josm. I build it for my > own (edited the jnlp), but a link in the table of > http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Download > would be very nice. I would like to have a JOSM latest web start, too. This would allow people to get rid of some JOSM update scripts. Dirk, Paul, what do you think? Simon ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] WikiStart
2012/4/8, Simon Legner : > On 05/04/12 13:27, Holger Jeromin wrote: >> I would like to have a webstart for the latest josm. I build it for my >> own (edited the jnlp), but a link in the table of >> http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Download >> would be very nice. > > I would like to have a JOSM latest web start, too. This would allow > people to get rid of some JOSM update scripts. > > Dirk, Paul, what do you think? OK, why not. Paul ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
