[JOYnet] Prayers Needed

2001-07-11 Thread cuckoo susan james

Dear Netters,

  Please pray for Beena George who will be undergoing a major heart surgery on 16th. 
She is our family friend.


  Thank You.


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[JOYnet] Thanks

2001-07-11 Thread jannet fernandez

Hi all,
Thanks to everybody who became a part of the talk on
SALVATION.It has helped me a lot to clear the
confusions i had in my mind.
I am looking very forward to this group to clear my
doubts that i have in mind. Do remember me in your
prayers.
Love in Jesus
Jannet
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[JOYnet] Reminder for FRED

2001-07-11 Thread jannet fernandez

Hi Fred,
Am sorry that i lost ur Id. I hope u remember that u i
had asked a doubt on asking saints to pray for us and
u said that u would be able to help me with some
verses from the Old Testament too. I am still waiting
for it. But do take ur time and send it along when u
feel free. I will keep reminding u once in a while.
Thanks
Jannet
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[JOYnet] Birthday of stijo augustine

2001-07-11 Thread listadm

Hi Friends

Let's celebrate the birthday (July 12) of stijo augustine.
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God Bless
JOYnet Family

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[JOYnet] in touch

2001-07-11 Thread kollam zones

dear jesus youth,

this is a kind request,
one of the jesus youth here in kollam is really in a
verse situation, Mr Thomsun is suffering from acute
kindney failure and hospitalised at lissy hospital
cochin, undergoing dialisis, Rs 5 laks is estimated
for his kidney transplant surgery, besides this his
hospital expenses. A father of two kids, he is going
through a very bad financial crisis, and we would like
to know whether any one around the world would like to
extend their warm hands in support, or else if you
know of any organisations who would extend their
support (do mail their address too.) get in touch with
us at the earliest,
for kollam zone,

youth co-ordinator.

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[JOYnet] help

2001-07-11 Thread kollam zones

dear jesus youth,

this is a kind request,
one of the jesus youth here in kollam is really in a
verse situation, Mr Thomsun is suffering from acute
kindney failure and hospitalised at lissy hospital
cochin, undergoing dialisis, Rs 5 laks is estimated
for his kidney transplant surgery, besides this his
hospital expenses. A father of two kids, he is going
through a very bad financial crisis, and we would like
to know whether any one around the world would like to
extend their warm hands in support, or else if you
know of any organisations who would extend their
support (do mail their address too.) get in touch with
us at the earliest,
for kollam zone,

youth co-ordinator.

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RE: [JOYnet] Tips on how to counter sexual temptation

2001-07-11 Thread Jose Paul Martin

Hi Milan,

Good to hear from you again...

You've taken a bold step by sending this email to JOYNet... You're right many are 
struggling with sexual desires (Even many Jesus Youth! ~ although many can't admit 
it!). And we are living in a tough world... tough for us Xtians!

  Life is a struggle.

What is most important is that we try. Ultimately success is the Lord's - and we are 
sure winners.

For one year - I was away from the T.V. (I didn't have access to one!) - but now that 
i do.. I'm surprized how "tougher" it gets to stay pure... what with all the sublime 
and provocative dances, and women dressed up in well,... nearly nothing...

I'm not saying media is evil... it's just that we are misutilizing it. ArchBishop 
Fulton J. Sheen is the best example of how we can use the media (and boy was he media 
savvy!) to reach out to the people of this world.

But it doesn't just stop with T.V., we now have the same media by which JOYNet 
functions - the Internet. What I'm afraid of is how we are 'bombarded' with such 
temptations by the Devil.

  NO WE WILL NOT GIVE IN

The closer we are to Christ, the easier it is to be protected from such things...

But I don't think Christ wants us just to stay close to His bossom, but to Stand Firm 
- and to Conquer! He is with us, He will guide us with His Holy Spirit.

... Are you willing to fight?

with love n prayers
jpm

BTW thanx for the tips!





>Hai all
>I just read a book today titled"Purity is Power" by Dr. Don Gossett and one of
>the things he has written really I think is a weapon which I think we can use
>to counter the lies the Devil whispers slowly in our minds when we are
>attacked by temptation to fall into the sins of Masturbation,Adultery and
>Fornication.
>These thoughts usually  come into our minds, the word of god weapon to counter
>these is also given.
>
>1."I give up,I can't stay pure"
>Answer:I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me Phil 4:13
> 
>2." I am afraid I will fall into sin "
>Answer:God has not given me the spirit of fear,but of Power and of love
>and of a sound mind 2 Tim 1:7
> 
>3."I am too weak"
>Answer:The lord is the strength of my life Ps 27:1
> 
>4."Filthy unclean thoughts are fighting for and controlling my mind"
>Answer: I declare with Jesus  - For the prince of this world comes and has
>no part in me. Jn14:30
>
>5."I am failing again and again in my fight to stay pure.I'm a failure,there's
>no use   trying.
>Answer:God always causes me to triumph through Christ. 2 Cor 2:14
>
>6."I am a slave to  bad   thoughts that cause sin
>Answer:Where the spirit of the Lord is there is Liberty. 2 Cor 3:17
>
>PS.This is not an exact rendering ,I have sort of added my experiences to it.
>This small book/booklet(64 pages) is published by Ben Publishers and is
>available from OM Books ,email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cover price is 40 rupees
>
>The world we is so sexually oriented nowadays it is hard to live a Xtian so
>use these words of god to fight the devilI'm trying
>Milan

-- 
Jose Paul Martin, Bahrain
)))Jesus Never Fails !(((

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FWD: [JOYnet] A Jesus Youth Publication ' Motivated By Love ' !!!

2001-07-11 Thread Jose Paul Martin

May I add one more line

  "ALL THANKS TO JESUS!"

Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:18:01 +0530
From: "cuckoo susan james" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [JOYnet] A Jesus Youth Publication ' Motivated By Love ' !!!

---
Peace to you

Motivated by Love

GOOD NEWS, FOLKS... we have a new addition to our family... no, no, its nothing but...

Presenting...
'Motivated By Love' , the first English publication of Jesus Youth !!!

1. Foreword   -The Editors
2. Youth To The Missions - Fr. George Madukkampuram
3. Touching Hearts where it Matters- Shyama Ramesh
4. Stories of Sharing - Priya George (Joy)
5. Jesus Youth- A Profile  - Edward Edezhath
6. Jesus Youth  Milestones

I've typed out the Foreword for you

 //  " 'Motivated By Love' is a bird's eye view of the activities and experiences 
of the full-timers. The opening article introduces  fulltimership as the blooming of 
the missionary zeal in the youth today. The article on Rex- Band, which follows, is a 
testimony to the power of music to lift the souls to the Divine. The next section is a 
bunch of anecdotes from the lives of the full- timers who have served in various parts 
of India as the instruments of Christ. What follows is an introduction to the Jesus 
Youth fraternity and its various avenues of spiritual intervention. The milestones in 
the history of Jesus Youth from its very inception are also enumerated."


Other things U may want to know...

2.Fr. George : Is at present the pastor Of the Jesus Youth National Team and an 
enthusiastic promoter of full-timership.

3.This article on the Rex- Band was originally published in Herald Insight, a Goan 
Daily.

4.Priya George ( Joy ) : The author is from Kochi, a teacher and an active Jesus Youth 
associated with the Teachers Net Work.

5.Dr. Edward Edezhath : The author is one of the visionaries who blazed the trail for 
the Jesus Youth Move and is a faculty in English at St. Albert's College, Ernakulam.


Then u've the Jesus Youth events and its progress charted out  year by year from 
1976-2001. Finally, there is a section on what four important personlalities say about 
Jesus Youth. 


   The cover design and layout is wonderful, all done by JYs.


 There is great stuff here and JOYnet can be proud of the fact that 
one of it article - series have come out in a book!! Yes, our Priya's articles titled 
' 9th batch final-gathering ' is the highlight of this book. JOYnet is indeed reaching 
out!! As well as its witers!!

 
 For more info on this new baby, contact Chackochan Njavallil, co-editor of 'Motivated 
by Love'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Love in Jesus,
Cuckoo / Cochin / India

-- 
Jose Paul Martin, Bahrain
)))Jesus Never Fails !(((

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[JOYnet] salvation (church view)

2001-07-11 Thread JOSEPH C.C.

Hai to all,

It was great to see the discussions on Salvation, as I was busy with a lot of
things could not contribute on time, I hope u will not mind me mailing after
the discussions has been closed, sorry.

What I have understood from my study on salvation is that there is salvation
only through Jesus, even if a person who does not believe in Jesus dies,
he/she is saved because of Jesus, not because of the works or things they do.
In other words all are saved (irrespective of the fact that they know Jesus or
not) only through Him.   That is we are saved by his death on the cross.  
This is the teaching of the church.


I am also sending u a teaching (just a part of the long one) of the church
about the salvation of non Catholics.


The Salvation of Non-Catholics
The Catechism of the Catholic Church, following historic Christian theology
since the time of the early Church Fathers, refers to the Catholic Church as
"the universal sacrament of salvation" (CCC 774-776), and states: "The Church
in this world is the sacrament of salvation, the sign and the instrument of
the communion of God and men" (CCC 780).
Many people misunderstand the nature of this teaching. Indifferentists, going
to one extreme, claim that it makes no difference what church one belongs to
and that salvation can be attained through any of them. Certain radical
traditionalists, going to the other extreme, claim that unless one is a
full-fledged, baptized member of the Catholic Church, one will be damned.

The following quotations from the Church Fathers give the straight story. They
show that the early Church had the same position on this as the contemporary
Church does--that is, while it is normatively necessary to be a Catholic to be
saved (see CCC 846; Vatican II, Lumen Gentium 14), there are exceptions, and
it is possible in some circumstances for people to be saved who have not been
fully initiated into the Catholic Church (CCC 847). 

Notice that the same Fathers who declare the normative necessity of being
Catholic also declare the possibility of salvation for some who are not
Catholics. These can be saved by what later came to be known as "baptism of
blood" or " baptism of desire" (for more on the subject, see the Fathers Know
Best pamphlet, "Baptism of Water, Blood, and Desire" xx alt title "The
Necessity of Baptism"). 

The Fathers likewise affirm the possibility of salvation for those who lived
before Christ and who were not part of Israel, the Old Testament Church.

However, for those who knowingly and deliberately (that is, not out of
innocent ignorance) commit the sins of heresy (rejecting divinely revealed
doctrine) or schism (separating from the Catholic Church and/or joining a
schismatic church), no salvation would be possible until they repented and
returned to live in Catholic unity.




I hope that this will be helpful.


Love and Prayers,
C.C.Joseph

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[JOYnet] RE: Experience

2001-07-11 Thread Jose Paul Martin

Hi,

Talk about powerful experiences... this was a powerful sharing! (if you didn't read it 
pls go ahead and read it below!)

When I read what happens to another person, it not only teaches me new things... but 
reminds me that I'm not the only person in the world who has problems...

Sometimes, when we share our experiences we share a part of ourselves. Each person has 
a story or testimony to tell. It may not be so great... but to announce to the world 
your experience - verifies your living with Christ.

You don't need to use proper english, you don't need to think hard about what you are 
going to say... just pray to the Holy Spirit and let your heart open. Before you set 
out on a venture on that keyboard - just take a few seconds to pray to the Holy Spirit 
to give you the words to type.

You'd be surprized at how many very simple letters (in our case emails) can change the 
world. Remember, it's not your writing skills BUT the power of the Holy Spirit that 
changes the person who reads your email!

As Apostle Paul had said, 'I do not have great oratory skills like some preachers... I 
speak from the heart... with the guidance of the Holy Spirit...my words are simple...'

Sharmila, thanks for your sharing... 

Irrespective of the problems you face.. I admire your ability to PRAISE God for 
'problems'

CICOY
--jpm



>Dear Friends,
>
>I would to share the powerful experience of the love of God.
>
>GIVE THANKS TO GOD IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES FOR THIS IS THE WILL OF THE LORD.
>
>In 1997 January I went to Divine Retreat Centre as a shattered person with 
>two big problems praying to Lord Jesus to stop my dad drinking and solve a 
>big court case problem.  My dad started drinking day and night due to this 
>severe court case problem.  There when I was praying I promised Lord Jesus 
>when these problems are solved I will  come back to Divine and give 
>testimony to Glorify God.
>
>We kept on praising God for these problems. In the month of November my 
>younger brother Joseph met with an accident.  The scan report showed that he 
>had multiple fractures in the skull and pieces of the skull had gone to his 
>brain and he had very big hemorrhage in the brain,  the jaws and check bones 
>were locked and a plastic surgery to be done for him to open his mouth and 
>to take solid food.  Brain surgery would be of no use to save his life.  
>When we heard this report we just praised and thanked Lord Jesus for this 
>problem and said Rosary after Rosary for my brother to be filled with the 
>Holy Spirit.
>
>(Romans 8:28) We know that in all things God works for good with those who 
>love him, those whom he has called according to his purpose. That night when 
>my dad who came to know the serious condition of my brother with tears 
>repented and promised God that he will never take alcohol.  The very next 
>day mighty miracles started taking place.  My brothers breathing became 
>normal and they removed the ventilator.  The plastic surgery was done in 
>such a serious condition and the surgery was successful.  Praise the Lord.  
>Then my brother started getting serious headache and neuro surgeon suggested 
>for second scan.  The second scan showed the mighty power of our Lord Jesus 
>Christ.  The neuro surgeon said that before they started the treatment the 
>clot in the brain started melting by itself and this was a miracle.  Praise 
>and Thank you Abba Father, Lord Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit Lord. Very soon 
>my brother started recovering  and started doing normal things as he did 
>before and the doctors gave the report as uneventful recovery.  At this time 
>all that i expected from Lord Jesus Christ is to only save my brothers life 
>but it we praise our mighty God who made my dad give up not only drinking 
>but also smoking.  All praise to the Lord Jesus Christ.
>
>We were in need of large sum of money for his treatment and when cried out 
>to Lord Jesus for this problem, our friends without we asking them for help 
>came and helped us.  The hospital bill was made by Lord Jesus the amount 
>that we could afford and paid the hospital bill the amount that we expected 
>without difficulty and doctor who did the surgery reduced the bill very 
>much.  All praise and thanks to Lord Jesus.
>
>This year in the month of  January the court case fizzled out and on May 4, 
>2001 I went to Divine Retreat Centre for thanks giving retreat and gave my 
>testimony as I promised the Lord.
>
>FOR NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH GOD.
>LORD WILL DO BIG THINGS FOR US.
>
>
>
>Fatima Sharmila
>Chennai
>
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[JOYnet] FW: Some Good points

2001-07-11 Thread George Joseph Fernandes

ATTITUDE TOWARDS LIFE
1.  Anger is a condition in which the tongue works faster than the mind.
2.  You can't change the past, but you can ruin the present by worrying
over the future.
3.  Love .and you shall be loved.
4.  God always gives His best to those who leave the choice with Him.
5.  All people smile in the same language.
6.  Laughter is God's sunshine.
7.  Everything has beauty but not everyone sees it.
8.  It's important for parents to live the same things they teach.
9.  Thank God for what you have, TRUST GOD for what you need.
10. If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of
tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.
11. Happy memories never wear outrelive them as often as you want.
12. Home is the place where we grumble the most, but are often treated
the best.
13. Man looks at outward appearance but the Lord looks within.
14. Take time to laugh for it is the music of the soul.
15. Patience is the ability to idle your motor when you feel like
stripping your gears.
16. Love is strengthened by working through conflicts together.
17. The best thing parents can do for their children is to love each
other.
18. Harsh words break no bones but they do break hearts.
19. To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it.
20. Love is the only thing that can be divided without being diminished.
21. Happiness is enhanced by others but does not depend upon others.
22. You are richer today if you have laughed, given or forgiven.
23. For every minute you are angry with someone, you lose 60 seconds of
happiness that you can never get back.
24. Do what you can, for who you can, with what you have, and where you
are.
ALWAYS BE HUMBLE & HELPFUL !
25. The best gifts to give:
To your friend - loyalty;
To your enemy - forgiveness;
To your boss - service;
To a child - a good example;
To your parents - gratitude and devotion;
To your mate - love and faithfulness;
To all men and women - charity; and
To your God - your life..

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[JOYnet] Discussion

2001-07-11 Thread Mathew Joseph

Hello Friends,

It was nice to see many of you actively participating in
the discussion on the topic "SALVATION".
Thanks a lot to all of you for sharing your views and opinion.
All these sharings were really thought provoking and it helped
 all of us to learn more and grow strong in our faith.

Special thanks to Sebastian Kakkasseril for co-ordinating
this discussion.   He came in whenever we have drifted
away from the main topic.   That was good.
Thank you Sebastian...

With this, the discussion on this topic is over.   I am sure that the
concluding mail from Sebastian has clearely explained this basic
christian doctrine.

Now, let us decide that from now on, we will have a
time frame for the discussions.   We will continue each topic for two weeks.
After two weeks, the discussion on that topic will be concluded.
Then, may be we can move on to the discussion of another topic.

As all of you know, there were different opinions and views on this
discussion.
That is fine. Now,  There is no question of who wins... or who looses
So, there is no need of anybody getting hurt... or feeling bad.
Let's take this discussion very positively and take it as an opportunity
to learn the word of God and grow in faith and love of God.
Also, these discussions opened up many of our members and hence
it helped a lot in building this JOYnet family in love.
It is very important that all these discussion lead us to the truth and to
the
correct teaching.   Otherwise the very purpose of having a discussion will be
defeated.

Thanks to all of you for reading all these mails from us.
Hope it helped you in your life to grow towards our loving God.

thank you,
Mathew Joseph
Bangalore, India.

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[JOYnet] St Paul's 3rd Letter to the Corinthians

2001-07-11 Thread Josun Jose

Hi friends, this is jest for fun! i just got a copy of St. Paul's 3rd letter 
to the Corinthians!!

please do read on.

love and prayers,


josun



St Paul's 3rd Letter to the Corinthians


The Way Named Straight
Tarsus, Province of Syria



My Dear Corinthians:

I, Paul, by the will of God an Apostle, having written twice to you on 
several matters of great importance now find myself compelled to write a 
third time.

I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it any more.

SHAPE UP!

Paul, by the grace of God, Apostle to the Gentiles

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[JOYnet] A Jesus Youth Publication ' Motivated By Love ' !!!

2001-07-11 Thread cuckoo susan james

---
Peace to you

Motivated by Love

GOOD NEWS, FOLKS... we have a new addition to our family... no, no, its nothing but...

Presenting...
'Motivated By Love' , the first English publication of Jesus Youth !!!

1. Foreword   -The Editors
2. Youth To The Missions - Fr. George Madukkampuram
3. Touching Hearts where it Matters- Shyama Ramesh
4. Stories of Sharing - Priya George (Joy)
5. Jesus Youth- A Profile  - Edward Edezhath
6. Jesus Youth  Milestones

I've typed out the Foreword for you

 //  " 'Motivated By Love' is a bird's eye view of the activities and experiences 
of the full-timers. The opening article introduces  fulltimership as the blooming of 
the missionary zeal in the youth today. The article on Rex- Band, which follows, is a 
testimony to the power of music to lift the souls to the Divine. The next section is a 
bunch of anecdotes from the lives of the full- timers who have served in various parts 
of India as the instruments of Christ. What follows is an introduction to the Jesus 
Youth fraternity and its various avenues of spiritual intervention. The milestones in 
the history of Jesus Youth from its very inception are also enumerated."


Other things U may want to know...

2.Fr. George : Is at present the pastor Of the Jesus Youth National Team and an 
enthusiastic promoter of full-timership.

3.This article on the Rex- Band was originally published in Herald Insight, a Goan 
Daily.

4.Priya George ( Joy ) : The author is from Kochi, a teacher and an active Jesus Youth 
associated with the Teachers Net Work.

5.Dr. Edward Edezhath : The author is one of the visionaries who blazed the trail for 
the Jesus Youth Move and is a faculty in English at St. Albert's College, Ernakulam.


Then u've the Jesus Youth events and its progress charted out  year by year from 
1976-2001. Finally, there is a section on what four important personlalities say about 
Jesus Youth. 


   The cover design and layout is wonderful, all done by JYs.


 There is great stuff here and JOYnet can be proud of the fact that 
one of it article - series have come out in a book!! Yes, our Priya's articles titled 
' 9th batch final-gathering ' is the highlight of this book. JOYnet is indeed reaching 
out!! As well as its witers!!

 
 For more info on this new baby, contact Chackochan Njavallil, co-editor of 'Motivated 
by Love'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Love in Jesus,
Cuckoo / Cochin / India


 




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[JOYnet] Welcoming new members!!!

2001-07-11 Thread welchy

Halleluiah !!!& A BIG hello to all My dear JYS .

I would be welcoming  some of the new members .They were all introduced by
their friends at the Joynet .
U see the Member Get Member..it works at Joynet too.
Dont forget about a quickie HI to  them .

We have  a Student Stalin  Johnson Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from
kadavoor, kollam, kerala



Then its Dominic Dass Anthony Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from ashoknagar,
bangalore ,karnataka
India
Dominic works for a Managerial position at Banglore
His family consits of Mary Sabitha his loving wife & Zita his only daughter


Oh !we have someone from Gurgaon Hayana India too .Norman  George Email:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Norman   a  Masters' Degree holder, now works for a software firm .

Sabu Joseph  Thekkeyil hails from Kedavoor khamarasser Calicut Kerala  Email:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Here is Met Caldwell: [EMAIL PROTECTED] from  Texas US
Married Chone  & has 4 Children: Laquala, Melvin, Mae'sha,Nytica

Meet Kunjumon  From kollam kadavoor kerela  India .His wife Jacqueline & Sanu
his son   Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Welcoming u all new members& assuring u of the great Time  at JY .We'd like to
know more of you.So keep Mailing!!!


Yours sister In Jesus

Welchy f

Mumbai

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[JOYnet] chain mails...

2001-07-11 Thread Mathew Joseph

Hello Friends,

Please avoid sending any chain mails to JOYnet.
Many of these chain mails are not correct.

Even if some chain mails look alright for you,
still, please don't send it to JOYnet.  


thanks,
Mathew Joseph
Bangalore
India.


-- Forwarded message --
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:24:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: rose antony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [JOYnet] Sign in your support

 BAN FOR MOVIE CORPUS CHRISTI
 Subject: Movie depicting Christ as gay
 
 
 Dear Friends,
 There is a movie that is coming out in 
 claiming that both Jesus
 and his disciples were gay. There is already a
 play that went on for a
 while.
 
 The play and movie are titled "Corpus Christi"
 which is Latin and
 translates to "Body of Christ". This is sickening
 and revolting to all
 true believers! We can all do something! Please
 send this to ALL of your
 friends to sign to stop the movie from showing in
 America. Already
 certain areas in Europe have started to ban it
 from coming to their
 country
 and we
 can stop it too! We just need a lot of signatures,

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[JOYnet] Looking out for someone in Assam

2001-07-11 Thread Giju George

Hi Friends
I am looking out for someone in Assam (India).
Is Someone from Assam reading this mail ?

Thanks
Giju
Chennai / India

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[JOYnet] Salvation

2001-07-11 Thread Sebastian Kakkasseri

Dear friends,

Sorry for the delay, I was busy. By the way our discussion about Salvation 
is to be concluded, instead of leading to more confusion and 
misunderstanding.

As per the Catholic view, Salvation is not restricted only for Christians or 
Catholics. There are more people in this world who dont know the real 
Savior of the world, not because of their own fault (not the mere historical 
knowledge about Jesus but the experience of His love). But God works even in 
them through their conscience. That doesnt mean we are free from our 
responsibility to preach the Good News. Our mentality towards the gentile 
society should be changed, as many of us still believes they are straight on 
their way to the hell, because they havent accepted Jesus as their Savior.

The Catholic way of interpreting a Bible verse is different than many other 
denominations. It is better to read atleast a whole chapter instead of 
taking one sentence from here and there and explain it by its literal 
meaning without considering the circumstances, contexts etc. From Billy 
Grahams answer (I respect him as a sincere preacher of Jesus) quoted Eph 
2-8, salvation is by faith alone and not through our good works, would lead 
us to confusion. This is based on  Martin Luthers doctrine of  Sola fide 
(Means salvation is possible by faith alone).

But if you read the whole chapter, you could see St. Paul explaining further 
about circumcision. At that time the early church faced a big problem on the 
issue of  Circumcision. The Jewish Christians argued for Circumcision as a 
must for salvation even for converted gentile Christians. Even some of the 
disciples were supporting that idea. Here by explaining not by works he 
meant mainly Circumcision. Otherwise Pauls statement would be as against of 
Jesus.

Please read the following passages (including the whole chapter) written by 
the same Paul: -

Rom 2:6-13, says for He will render to every man according to his works

1 Cor 13: 2-13, he said love is more important than faith and hope. True 
love is to be shown through our good works.

2 Cor 5-10, ..each one may receive good or evil, according to what he has 
done 

Again James 2: 14-26, faith without work is dead. (Luther in beginning 
avoided the letter of James from his new Bible, because of this statement, 
but later he added it)

Listen the teaching of Jesus. When a rich young man asked Jesus how to 
receive salvation Jesus told him not to  just believe in me, you will be 
saved but to keep the commandments (works including faith). When the man 
replied that he is keeping all commandments, Jesus asked some more works 
from him. (Mt. 19-16)

In explaining about the last judgement Jesus never asked  did you believe 
in me? but He will very much ask you, did you feed me when I was hungry 
(works), did you give me drink when I was thirsty (works), did you help me 
when I was stranger (works), did you clothed me when I was naked (works), 
did you visit me when I was sick (works), or when I was in prison (works). 
(Mt. 25: 35-46)

WorkworksworksYour good works are very much important in attaining the 
eternal salvation. Your Praise the Lord and Hallelujah (proclamation of 
faith) wont help you unless if it is not supported by your good deeds.

So according to the Catholic view, Salvation is possible by the grace of 
God, through our faith and good works.

I think this is enough, sorry if anybody has been wounded.

love
sebastian / Kuwait

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[JOYnet] Sign in your support

2001-07-11 Thread rose antony

 BAN FOR MOVIE CORPUS CHRISTI
 Subject: Movie depicting Christ as gay
 
 
 Dear Friends,
 There is a movie that is coming out in 
 claiming that both Jesus
 and his disciples were gay. There is already a
 play that went on for a
 while.
 
 The play and movie are titled "Corpus Christi"
 which is Latin and
 translates to "Body of Christ". This is sickening
 and revolting to all
 true believers! We can all do something! Please
 send this to ALL of your
 friends to sign to stop the movie from showing in
 America. Already
 certain areas in Europe have started to ban it
 from coming to their
 country
 and we
 can stop it too! We just need a lot of signatures,
 and you can help!
 Please do not delete this! Jesus said, "Deny Me
 before men and I will
 deny you before the Father." Show respect for our
 Lord and Savior Jesus
 Christ who died for us! Please help!
 
PLEASE SIGN AND SEND TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!
IF WE WORK TOGETHER WE CAN BAN THIS!
 IMPORTANT: Once 100 have signed, kindly mail to:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 1) Nikita Crasta- Mumbai, India
 2) Sarita Ferrao - Mumbai - India
 3) Rose Antony Parayil - Chennai -India

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