Re: Re: [JOYnet] Gospel-Truth or Lie?
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Re: Re: [JOYnet] Gospel-Truth or Lie?
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Re: [JOYnet] Gospel-Truth or Lie?
The same problems were disturbing me too during my early days of Spiritual rebirth. After long meditation and thoughts I did some homework on these subject (years back ) and did some drafting just thinking of creating a Website or booklet later (The Truth). My idea is to bring an Atheist or Non believer from 0 to 100% belief. The narration will move something like this: 1. Is there a God? 2. Why there is God . 3. The Creator and Controller 4. Different beliefs/Religions and why. 5. Which is the 'True God' ? 6. Why Jesus Christ ? 7. The real 'GOOD NEWS' - (G-O-S-P-E-L - Gods Only Son Provides Eternal Life ) a small extract from my draft about why Jesus Christ. THEN WHY JESUS CHRIST? BECAUSE 1. ALL MAJOR RELIGIONS AND SCRIPTURES (LIKE THE HOLY BIBLE, THE HINDU SCRIPTURES- THE VEDAS & UPANISHADS, THE QURAN Etc. AGREES WITH THE GODLINESS OF JESUS CHRIST. 2. BIRTH AND DEATH OF JESUS CHRIST IS A CONFIRMED HISTORICAL FACTOR. (He is the one who is beyond history, and entered into history by dividing the history into AD and BC, and that history is The Bible). WITHOUT JESUS THERE IS NO HISTORY. WHEN WE MENTION A HISTORICAL FACTOR WE SHOULD EITHER MENTION AD OR BC. EVEN THE DATE OR TIME WHEN WE EXPRESS IN OUR EVERY DAY ACTIVITIES WE ARE PROCLAIMING THE INCARNATION OF JESUS -THE SON OF GOD- TO THE EARTH (As the dates are expressed as AD which is derived from the Greek word Anno Domine which means 'The Year of the Lord'). WE CAN REALLY SAY THAT HISTORY REALLY MEANS 'HIS' 'STORY'! 3. STILL MIRACLES ARE HAPPENING IN HIS NAME. (SOLID PROOFS ARE AVAILABLE) 4. CHRISTIANITY IS THE LARGEST SINGLE RELIGION IN THE WORLD. 5. BIBLICAL PROPHECIES ARE FULFILLING DAY BY DAY. (LOT OF EXAMPLES ARE AVAILABLE). 6. BIBLICAL VERSES ARE PROVED COMPATIBLE BOTH SCIENTIFICALLY AND HISTORICALLY. (LOT OF EXAMPLES ARE AVAILABLE). 7. JESUS IS THE ONLY PERSON WHO ASSENTED FROM DEATH WITH HIS OWN POWER. 8. MUSLIMS & CHRISTIANS (THE TWO LARGEST BELIEVERS ON EARTH) BOTH BELIEVE IN THE DIVINE BIRTH OF JESUS (FROM MARY THE VIRGIN MOTHER) 9. BOTH MUSLIMS & CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THE COMING BACK OF JESUS TO JUDGE THE MANKIND AT THE END. 10. IN Q'RAN THE NAME OF JESUS IS MENTIONED MORE THAN 25 TIMES (FAR MORE THAN ANY OTHER PERSONALITIES- EVEN THE NAME OF MOHAMED IS MENTIONED ONLY 3 TIMES) 11. ABOUT MOTHER MARY ALSO THERE ARE LOTS OF SCRIPTURES IN Q'RAN. EVEN THERE IS A CHAPTER ITSELF NAMED AS 'SOURAT AL MIRIYAM' MEANS THE CHAPTER OF MARY. (THIS LIST IS ENDLESS. THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL REVEAL YOU WITH MORE EVIDENCES TO CONFIRM YOUR BELIEF) Check the meaning of 'Savior' and 'Salvation' mentioned in Oxford dictionary and confirm yourself. A lot of Religions and religious leaders have come and has also gone from this world. So many famous characters passed away from this land. But none of them were mentioned as our Savior or Redeemer. PRAYER TO HOLY SPIRIT O HOLY SPIRIT .. THE SPIRIT OF OUR LORD JESUS. WE WORSHIP YOU. WE ADORE YOU.. COME AND FILL WITH US. FILL US WITH THE HEAVENLY WISDOM.. TEACH US THE SECRETS OF HEAVEN.. TEACH US THE REAL TRUTH.. TEACH US THE GOOD AND EVIL.. BE OUR ADVISER AND HELPER IN ALL OUR CONFUSIONS. LEAD US IN THE RIGHT PATH. THE RIGHT PATH TO THE ETERNAL LIFE. AMEN. Actually Jesus Died on the Cross - in between the sky and earth in between the evil and good ...(in between the good thief and the bad one)..., in between AD and BC .(in between History)..., in between God and Mankind In every aspect he is the mediator. If anyone would ask me " what is the greatest event in History?", definetly I would say in a loud voice : "The incarnation of God into Human flesh - Jesus Christ. "and what will be the next gratest event we can expect, offcourse the second coming of Jesus ! One more thing When all those mighty, famous guys died the world said "a big gap in the society.. a total loss... etc etc. But when Jesus sacrificed himself on the Cross... no one said it was a big loss or gap or anything of that sort, rather it was the biggest gain the whole mankind got. The eternal Salvation. The total redemptness. We can't compare any other life with the life of Jesus. He is the only person who has risen from death; who conqured death. And lot of relegious/spiritual personalities lived and died; but no one claimed that I will come back except Jesus, and that He will take all of us with him to the eternal Father in Heaven. He has said so in John 14/1 onwards (please read) Also let me tell you something in this aspect (of proclaiming Good News). Whenever we try to introduce Jesus to a Hindu brother/sister, don't start with the Bible. Start from there own belief. I mean from the Vedas and Upanishads. They can find the Savior from there own books and eventually they will be directed to Jesus 'the one and only Savior for the entire mankind. Now the real problem is that even the Hindu brothers do not know their real Holy books- The Vedas and Upanishads. If you ask about this most of them would say about the
Re: Re: [JOYnet] Gospel-Truth or Lie?
Dear Bros and Sis, I was no way trying to underline the importance of the catholic church when I posted this piece. My sincere apologies if I had confused you with my thought. I try my best to be a devout catholic and keep my catholic sacraments close to my heart. It is a delight for me to receive Jesus atleast twice a day through the Holy Communion. But at the same time I have personally experienced the power of the spirit of unity while praying with my brothers and sisters in other Christian denomination. Three years before when I was in Chennai we used to meet during our lunch breaks in a CSI church near my office. There were 2 catholics(I being one of them) , 2 protestants from the Jesus Calls ministry and a CSI girl. And I can personally testify the power of God in those prayer meetings. Two of these protestant boys fasted and bought the tickets for the Rex Band programme(which is hardcore catholic in nature , Praise God for that) sponsored and brought their Hindu friends to this programme. We see the best example of this lack of spirit of unity between catholics and protestants in Northern Ireland where neighbours kill each other just bcos he/she is a catholic / protestant. The devil is surely winning when the passion for your church turns into animosity and judging towards another church. Just imagine yourself in a VHP or Bajrang Dal stronghold in North India proclaiming the Word of God.. They will hit you not bcos you are a Catholic or a Protestant but bcos you are speaking the Good News of Lord Jesus Christ. I personally think we should appreciate and thank God for the catholic church and the immense power that we had inherited through its sacraments but at the same time we should look for the good things in other Christian denominations. In Jesus Sanju Joseph This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: [JOYnet] Gospel-Truth or Lie?
hi Sanju, I liked your sharing but I beg to differ on some thing you wrote let me quote you ( please forgive me if I have mis-interpreted you and correct me) " Any evangelization work driven by human intellect and not driven by the Holy Spirit is bound to fail. We see some christian churches(other than the catholic church) steadily growing around the world simply bcos they go by the directions given by the Holy Spirit." 1. most of these so called christian churches started from the 16th centuary. where was the holy spirit before that ? 2. countless of these christian churches have come and gone. 3. I personally believe that these churches/evangelization work is driven by human intellect. 4. the catholic church began in ther UPPER ROOM and it still exists to this day and will forever praise GOD. 5. PLEASE let me know what you meant by"(other than the catholic church)".I love the chatholic Church with all my heart I love the pope, the bishops, every thing about the Catholic church. Jesus him self gave us the pope from St. Peter, I have never heard of any dissagrement about that, but there is disunity in the other churches. 6. Where do these christian churches get their followers from ? do they take the trouble of converting non-christians or do they target catholics ? 7. how many of these christian churches believe in MOTHER MARY and all the saints GOD himself has given us. I can write endlessly on this topic. I spend a lot of my time watching EWTN (eternal word television network), a catholic channel on TV, there are programmes of a lot of ministers or pastors of these christian churches who have embrased catholisism . If you have the oppurtinity do read this book "ROME SWEET HOME" by Scott & Kimberly Hanns. it is their road to becoming Catholics. Scott was a pastor. Once again I ask forgiveness of those I have hurt or offended by my Comments, specially I ask God and the Holy Spirit forgiveness if I have said something wrong. This is to everone never doubt the strength and power of the Catholic Church in sheparding it flock of sheep. Your in CHRIST and a chatholic forever, Francis Goa On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 Sanju Joseph wrote : This was a good sharing. I think the key to the concern of teaching the truth to the non believers is also touched on this : Here the Holy Spirit helped > the listeners to identify Jesus as the Saviour > because they heard the Truth (unless they r really > hardened :-) and invite Him into their lives. It is worhty to note that even the Apostles who lived and heard Jesus had this passing phase where they had to wait upon the Lord in fear and anxiety(of persecution and disagreement) after Jesus Resurrection. But things changed when the Holy Spirit came upon them in the Upper Room. We see the thirst to share the Good News of Lord Jesus Christ so strong in St. Peter that he gives a spirited(Holy spirit filled) talk which converted 3000 people to believers of Lord Jesus Christ with just that one talk. Any evangelization work driven by human intellect and not driven by the Holy Spirit is bound to fail. We see some christian churches(other than the catholic church) steadily growing around the world simply bcos they go by the directions given by the Holy Spirit. Of course - constant intercession, our own way of life, fasting, sacraments, seeking the will of God in anything and everything are some of the many keys to spread the Gospel effectively. Prayerful Regards Sanju This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Gospel-Truth or Lie?
Hello Prejomy, That would be really great...if all of us could put in effort to learn more about Kerygma. Hahaha...and Suresh, do I really sound like a theologian( I'm not even sure the spelling is correct . .. )!! Pleaaase! Love in Jesus, Cuckoo/Mysore Catch all the cricket action. Download Yahoo! Score tracker This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Gospel-Truth or Lie?
Hello family, The Word of God is so powerful and brings about conversion of souls..no doubt about it. Testimonies ,i believe,are God's Word becoming flesh in our lives...that;s why i think it also touches people so deeply. I can't recall who said this ,but its really challenging.."Be careful how you live your life,because your life may be the only Gospel some people may get to read." I;ve also heard that there are 5 gospels...of Mathew, Mark,Luke ,John and the 5th one is me,you and all of us..very personel eh?...!! And as St.Francis of Assissi said once"Let's all keep preaching and use words only when its so necessary", In Joyful communion, Sindhu, chicago,USA. MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Gospel-Truth or Lie?
This was a good sharing. I think the key to the concern of teaching the truth to the non believers is also touched on this : Here the Holy Spirit helped > the listeners to identify Jesus as the Saviour > because they heard the Truth (unless they r really > hardened :-) and invite Him into their lives. It is worhty to note that even the Apostles who lived and heard Jesus had this passing phase where they had to wait upon the Lord in fear and anxiety(of persecution and disagreement) after Jesus Resurrection. But things changed when the Holy Spirit came upon them in the Upper Room. We see the thirst to share the Good News of Lord Jesus Christ so strong in St. Peter that he gives a spirited(Holy spirit filled) talk which converted 3000 people to believers of Lord Jesus Christ with just that one talk. Any evangelization work driven by human intellect and not driven by the Holy Spirit is bound to fail. We see some christian churches(other than the catholic church) steadily growing around the world simply bcos they go by the directions given by the Holy Spirit. Of course - constant intercession, our own way of life, fasting, sacraments, seeking the will of God in anything and everything are some of the many keys to spread the Gospel effectively. Prayerful Regards Sanju --- Cuckoo Susan James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear JOYnetters, > > Just writing some thoughts on a matter close to our > heartsmy experience, that's all... > > After coming to the Renewal I've often struggled > with the meaning of GOSPEL. Good news... But what is > so good abt. it that people are even willing to give > up their life for it? How does one 'share the > gospel'? What is a 'missionary'? How do we > 'witness'? > > These questions matter s much in our Jesus Youth > lifestyle!! > > The other day cos of power cut many of the > hostelites were sitting under the emergency light... > studying hard for the internals. I was reading the > Bible. One of the girls became curious and asked me > what I was reading. "What is it, Cuckoo? " I looked > at her eager face and looked back into my Bible... > and gulped. The Book of Romans... about God's just > decree and the salvation offered through belief in > Jesus Christ and His resurrection. > > "How do I explain it, O Lord?" > > Sometimes I've encounterd protests, not because the > message itself was wrong but because the way i said > it was not 'reasonable'. > > "Everyone has their own personal beliefs, this is > yours...your experience counts only in your life, > not in mine. You have no right to claim it is the > truth...because truth is relative. It's just the way > you look at it. AND the more you hear something the > more you place your trust in it, and the more it > appears as the truth to you. How else can you > account for the folllowers of Matha Amrathanthamai > and Sai Baba. It's just the feelings of devotion. > That's all." > > Phew! > > "Jesus", I asked, " How does one share the gospel?" > Ok. Now I know many will offer the easy answer ... > through the power of the Holy Spirit. AND that His > power shines in our weakness ( lack of knowledge of > the gospel). > > But is that true? Will sharing ONLY our testimony > always make any difference? Nay...we all know that > from experience. Followers of other faiths can also > share their testimonies. I felt peace, i felt > this...this happened, that happened ( i saw the > other day some devotees doing that...their faith is > also very, very sincere). Anyway,not people who are > not that unhappy abt. life. Intelligent people need > to KNOW the truth. > > So, we need to share about what really happened in > history ... the whole story of the Bible, which will > finally point to Christ as the Saviour. From "In > the Beginning ... to ...Come, Lord Jesus"! We need > to believe that God exists, that nature AND science > too reveals His presence, that He'd promised a > Saviour through His prophets and in the fullness of > time that SON came and died for our sins, that we > are sinners (hard) and that we needed a Saviour > outside of ourselves. > > I say this because the other day I saw someone > powerfully explaining the gospel this way and > drawing people towards the message of Jesus. How can > one resist the truth? Here the Holy Spirit helped > the listeners to identify Jesus as the Saviour > because they heard the Truth (unless they r really > hardened :-) and invite Him into their lives. > > How many Jesus Youth know enough to explain these > things? We are stuck with our testimony and do not > respond most of the time to the need of our > non-Christian friends to know the TRUTH. > > Let's take it as a challenge to learn these truths > better (revealed in bible, history science), so that > when there is a need we can explain it to our eager > friends who want to know if the Gospel is the Truth > or a lie. > > Love in Jesus, > > Cuckoo/ Mysore/ Karnataka > > Catch all the cricket action. Download Yah
Re: [JOYnet] Gospel-Truth or Lie? - Important
Cuckoo you are absolutely right. It is not only our testimony but the Gospel has to be proclaimed. From Genisis to Revalation. But how? Yes there we are and there is a way. It is called 'KERYGMA' a Greek word for Initial Gospel Proclamation. We should know it and should use it for sharing JESUS to anybody. I personaly experienced the power of Holy Sprit while giving KERYGMA especially to non christians. Almost all will cry or somebody will laugh with joy while hearing that. This makes others even muslims allow me to pray for them by holding their hand. In UAE, our Formation Programme is to enable the JY to give KERYGMA to others. I'll let you know more about KERYGMA and the way it shall be proclaimed in the coming days. This we can adopt as a part of our life so that we can give Jesus to anybody while we work, study, travel etc. With lot of love and prayers in Jesus Prejomy Jose Abu Dhabi From: Cuckoo Susan James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JOYnet] Gospel-Truth or Lie? Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:58:33 + (GMT) Dear JOYnetters, Just writing some thoughts on a matter close to our heartsmy experience, that's all... After coming to the Renewal I've often struggled with the meaning of GOSPEL. Good news... But what is so good abt. it that people are even willing to give up their life for it? How does one 'share the gospel'? What is a 'missionary'? How do we 'witness'? These questions matter s much in our Jesus Youth lifestyle!! The other day cos of power cut many of the hostelites were sitting under the emergency light... studying hard for the internals. I was reading the Bible. One of the girls became curious and asked me what I was reading. "What is it, Cuckoo? " I looked at her eager face and looked back into my Bible... and gulped. The Book of Romans... about God's just decree and the salvation offered through belief in Jesus Christ and His resurrection. "How do I explain it, O Lord?" Sometimes I've encounterd protests, not because the message itself was wrong but because the way i said it was not 'reasonable'. "Everyone has their own personal beliefs, this is yours...your experience counts only in your life, not in mine. You have no right to claim it is the truth...because truth is relative. It's just the way you look at it. AND the more you hear something the more you place your trust in it, and the more it appears as the truth to you. How else can you account for the folllowers of Matha Amrathanthamai and Sai Baba. It's just the feelings of devotion. That's all." Phew! "Jesus", I asked, " How does one share the gospel?" Ok. Now I know many will offer the easy answer ... through the power of the Holy Spirit. AND that His power shines in our weakness ( lack of knowledge of the gospel). But is that true? Will sharing ONLY our testimony always make any difference? Nay...we all know that from experience. Followers of other faiths can also share their testimonies. I felt peace, i felt this...this happened, that happened ( i saw the other day some devotees doing that...their faith is also very, very sincere). Anyway,not people who are not that unhappy abt. life. Intelligent people need to KNOW the truth. So, we need to share about what really happened in history ... the whole story of the Bible, which will finally point to Christ as the Saviour. From "In the Beginning ... to ...Come, Lord Jesus"! We need to believe that God exists, that nature AND science too reveals His presence, that He'd promised a Saviour through His prophets and in the fullness of time that SON came and died for our sins, that we are sinners (hard) and that we needed a Saviour outside of ourselves. I say this because the other day I saw someone powerfully explaining the gospel this way and drawing people towards the message of Jesus. How can one resist the truth? Here the Holy Spirit helped the listeners to identify Jesus as the Saviour because they heard the Truth (unless they r really hardened :-) and invite Him into their lives. How many Jesus Youth know enough to explain these things? We are stuck with our testimony and do not respond most of the time to the need of our non-Christian friends to know the TRUTH. Let's take it as a challenge to learn these truths better (revealed in bible, history science), so that when there is a need we can explain it to our eager friends who want to know if the Gospel is the Truth or a lie. Love in Jesus, Cuckoo/ Mysore/ Karnataka Catch all the cricket action. Download Yahoo! Score tracker This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
