Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent)

2002-05-28 Thread Bhushan_Bhangale

Send the html code as the servlet code is fine.

-Original Message-
From: Vaishali S. Pandya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: can not get parameter (It's urgent)


hi all
i took an array or text in my page
on click of save button i just change the chmode=1 in mysave() of
javascript
and when submit the form it is

 String mode = request.getParameter("chmode");
 if (mode == null){
  mode = "0";
 }
 else{
  String tr = request.getParameter("totrow");
  int tot=Integer.parseInt(tr);
  for(int r=0;i<=tot;i++{
   String d = request.getParameter("txtdesc["+r+"]");
   String node=request.getParameter("txtnode["+r+"]");
   String lvl1=request.getParameter("txtlvl["+r+"]");
   INSERT..
   OR
   UPDATE
  }
 }

but here i can not get txtdesc's value
it gives me null all time
even txtnode and txtlvl too i find null
see i gave some value in all and then click the save button but always it
takes null and make the array balnk.
what to do?
pls help it's urgent

answers will be appreciated

Thanks in advance
Vaishali
Relience Ind Ltd
A'bad

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Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent)

2002-05-28 Thread Adrian Janssen

do you have form fields named like txtdesc[1] ?

In other words like:



This is what the code seems to be implying, if so, then reather use form
field like  "txtdesc1", i.e. withou the "[" and "]" as these might casuer
problems.

then in your Servlet you can use:

String d = request.getParameter ( "txtdesc" + r );


> -Original Message-
> From: Bhushan_Bhangale [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 28 May 2002 09:35
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent)
>
> Send the html code as the servlet code is fine.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Vaishali S. Pandya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:06 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: can not get parameter (It's urgent)
>
>
> hi all
> i took an array or text in my page
> on click of save button i just change the chmode=1 in mysave() of
> javascript
> and when submit the form it is
>
>  String mode = request.getParameter("chmode");
>  if (mode == null){
>   mode = "0";
>  }
>  else{
>   String tr = request.getParameter("totrow");
>   int tot=Integer.parseInt(tr);
>   for(int r=0;i<=tot;i++{
>String d = request.getParameter("txtdesc["+r+"]");
>String node=request.getParameter("txtnode["+r+"]");
>String lvl1=request.getParameter("txtlvl["+r+"]");
>INSERT..
>OR
>UPDATE
>   }
>  }
>
> but here i can not get txtdesc's value
> it gives me null all time
> even txtnode and txtlvl too i find null
> see i gave some value in all and then click the save button but always it
> takes null and make the array balnk.
> what to do?
> pls help it's urgent
>
> answers will be appreciated
>
> Thanks in advance
> Vaishali
> Relience Ind Ltd
> A'bad
>
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Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent)

2002-05-28 Thread Vaishali S. Pandya

i was using getParameter and was not working as the txtdesc is an array of
text
but now getParameterValues is working fine

Thanks to all
Vaishali
Relience Ind Ltd
A'bad



Send the html code as the servlet code is fine.

-Original Message-
From: Vaishali S. Pandya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: can not get parameter (It's urgent)


hi all
i took an array or text in my page
on click of save button i just change the chmode=1 in mysave() of
javascript
and when submit the form it is

 String mode = request.getParameter("chmode");
 if (mode == null){
  mode = "0";
 }
 else{
  String tr = request.getParameter("totrow");
  int tot=Integer.parseInt(tr);
  for(int r=0;i<=tot;i++{
   String d = request.getParameter("txtdesc["+r+"]");
   String node=request.getParameter("txtnode["+r+"]");
   String lvl1=request.getParameter("txtlvl["+r+"]");
   INSERT..
   OR
   UPDATE
  }
 }

but here i can not get txtdesc's value
it gives me null all time
even txtnode and txtlvl too i find null
see i gave some value in all and then click the save button but always it
takes null and make the array balnk.
what to do?
pls help it's urgent

answers will be appreciated

Thanks in advance
Vaishali
Relience Ind Ltd
A'bad

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Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent)

2002-05-28 Thread Vaishali S. Pandya

no, all text is having name txtdesc and i was trying to get value of
txtdesc[r]
using
String d = request.getParameter("txtdesc["+r+"]");

so it was not responding this statement and returning null
but now i take the values using
String[] d = request.getParameterValues("txtdesc");
and d[r] is working fine

Thanks
Vaishali
Relience Ind Ltd
A'bad




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do you have form fields named like txtdesc[1] ?

In other words like:



This is what the code seems to be implying, if so, then reather use form
field like  "txtdesc1", i.e. withou the "[" and "]" as these might casuer
problems.

then in your Servlet you can use:

String d = request.getParameter ( "txtdesc" + r );


> -Original Message-
> From: Bhushan_Bhangale [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 28 May 2002 09:35
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent)
>
> Send the html code as the servlet code is fine.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Vaishali S. Pandya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:06 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: can not get parameter (It's urgent)
>
>
> hi all
> i took an array or text in my page
> on click of save button i just change the chmode=1 in mysave() of
> javascript
> and when submit the form it is
>
>  String mode = request.getParameter("chmode");
>  if (mode == null){
>   mode = "0";
>  }
>  else{
>   String tr = request.getParameter("totrow");
>   int tot=Integer.parseInt(tr);
>   for(int r=0;i<=tot;i++{
>String d = request.getParameter("txtdesc["+r+"]");
>String node=request.getParameter("txtnode["+r+"]");
>String lvl1=request.getParameter("txtlvl["+r+"]");
>INSERT..
>OR
>UPDATE
>   }
>  }
>
> but here i can not get txtdesc's value
> it gives me null all time
> even txtnode and txtlvl too i find null
> see i gave some value in all and then click the save button but always it
> takes null and make the array balnk.
> what to do?
> pls help it's urgent
>
> answers will be appreciated
>
> Thanks in advance
> Vaishali
> Relience Ind Ltd
> A'bad
>
>
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Re: Need help related to "JSP + JDBC + Oracle "!

2002-05-28 Thread Frédéric Bouvet

You need to include oracle classes (classes102.zip).
that's by this way i fixed the problem.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]De la part de Shamshad Alam
Envoyé : mardi 28 mai 2002 02:08
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Objet : Need help related to "JSP + JDBC + Oracle "!


Dear All,
I am using Tomcat 4.0, J2SDK 1.4.0 and Oracle 8i. The Operating system is
Windows 2000. Both Oracle and J2SDK are in C:\ drive. I wrote a simple Java
code which connects to Oracle database and updates it. The program is
working
absolutely fine. I compiled and kept the .class file of this program under
C:\tommy\webapps\shamshad\WEB-INF\classes and I kept one jsp file, which
includes the java file, under C:\tommy\webapps\shamshad\jsp.Through an HTML
form I tried to write some data in Oracle database and get error like
"Error,Class Not Found
java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleDriver
at org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader.loadClass
der.java:1307)"

I have set the classpath and tried with different combinations but it is yet
not working. I have wasted my 3 days in making it run.I beg for help.
Please,sugegst me how to solve this problem.

Looking forward to your responses.
Thanking you
--Shamshad
Alam

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Re: Case sensitive url

2002-05-28 Thread Sabari Arasu (CTC)

Hi,

See the jsp1 servlet generated by the server. It may have Order in his
classpath. If it has Order in his classpath, jsp can be accessed only thru
Order/jsp1.jsp.

Regards,
A.G.Sabari Arasu
Assistant Systems Engineer,
TATA Consultancy Services,
Ambattur,
Chennai,
India.

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>
> Hi Friends,
>
> I am facing  peculiar problem, though menial but thought worth
> discussing.
>
> I have 2 jsps in folder "Order" (pl note case). 1st jsp can be
> called http://server/order/jsp1.jsp, without giving "Order"
> without matching case. The other jsp is called using
> http://server/Order/jsp1.jsp. here if i dont match case of
> "Order", it gives class not found error in error log, ie it doesnt
> work.
>
> If anybody knows the reason for the same? some coding specs that
> has to be taken care about?
>
> regards,
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Re: Case sensitive url

2002-05-28 Thread Sabari Arasu (CTC)

It seems I specified classpath instead of package name.

Regards,
A.G.Sabari Arasu
Assistant Systems Engineer,
TATA Consultancy Services,
Ambattur,
Chennai,
India.



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> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 6:27 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: Case sensitive url
>
> Hi,
>
> See the jsp1 servlet generated by the server. It may have Order in his
> classpath. If it has Order in his classpath, jsp can be accessed only thru
> Order/jsp1.jsp.
>
> Regards,
> A.G.Sabari Arasu
> Assistant Systems Engineer,
> TATA Consultancy Services,
> Ambattur,
> Chennai,
> India.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: piyush jain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:51 AM
> > To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:  Case sensitive url
> >
> > Hi Friends,
> >
> > I am facing  peculiar problem, though menial but thought worth
> > discussing.
> >
> > I have 2 jsps in folder "Order" (pl note case). 1st jsp can be
> > called http://server/order/jsp1.jsp, without giving "Order"
> > without matching case. The other jsp is called using
> > http://server/Order/jsp1.jsp. here if i dont match case of
> > "Order", it gives class not found error in error log, ie it doesnt
> > work.
> >
> > If anybody knows the reason for the same? some coding specs that
> > has to be taken care about?
> >
> > regards,
> > Piyush.
> > _
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Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent)

2002-05-28 Thread It, Cockpit (CAP, Contractor)

You should have used
String d = request.getParameter(txtdesc[r]);
It would work the way you want it



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From: Vaishali S. Pandya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 1:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent)


no, all text is having name txtdesc and i was trying to get value of
txtdesc[r]
using
String d = request.getParameter("txtdesc["+r+"]");

so it was not responding this statement and returning null
but now i take the values using
String[] d = request.getParameterValues("txtdesc");
and d[r] is working fine

Thanks
Vaishali
Relience Ind Ltd
A'bad




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do you have form fields named like txtdesc[1] ?

In other words like:



This is what the code seems to be implying, if so, then reather use form
field like  "txtdesc1", i.e. withou the "[" and "]" as these might casuer
problems.

then in your Servlet you can use:

String d = request.getParameter ( "txtdesc" + r );


> -Original Message-
> From: Bhushan_Bhangale [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 28 May 2002 09:35
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent)
>
> Send the html code as the servlet code is fine.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Vaishali S. Pandya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:06 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: can not get parameter (It's urgent)
>
>
> hi all
> i took an array or text in my page
> on click of save button i just change the chmode=1 in mysave() of
> javascript
> and when submit the form it is
>
>  String mode = request.getParameter("chmode");
>  if (mode == null){
>   mode = "0";
>  }
>  else{
>   String tr = request.getParameter("totrow");
>   int tot=Integer.parseInt(tr);
>   for(int r=0;i<=tot;i++{
>String d = request.getParameter("txtdesc["+r+"]");
>String node=request.getParameter("txtnode["+r+"]");
>String lvl1=request.getParameter("txtlvl["+r+"]");
>INSERT..
>OR
>UPDATE
>   }
>  }
>
> but here i can not get txtdesc's value
> it gives me null all time
> even txtnode and txtlvl too i find null
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> takes null and make the array balnk.
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pb vith tomcat 4.0.3

2002-05-28 Thread MAZZOTTI Thierry FTT/DSD

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Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP

2002-05-28 Thread Luis Javier Beltrán

Hi everybody,

I'm a bit confused about the way JSPs should be programmed. Which is the
correct way to separate HTML design from Java logic? should a person be
responsible for the HTML and another person should take this result and
program the logic? but the presentation changes depending on the parameters
passed, so all these posibilities should be programmed by the designer?
I think the most practical way is that a person should know about design and
Java. Is this right?

Thanks a lot!

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Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP

2002-05-28 Thread Villén Pizarro, Julia

I agree with you, it's imposible to absolutly separete aspect from funcionality. 
I think web technology has a long way to go yet.
It's just an opinion,
Julia

-Mensaje original-
De: Luis Javier Beltrán [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Enviado el: martes, 28 de mayo de 2002 18:01
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP


Hi everybody,

I'm a bit confused about the way JSPs should be programmed. Which is the
correct way to separate HTML design from Java logic? should a person be
responsible for the HTML and another person should take this result and
program the logic? but the presentation changes depending on the parameters
passed, so all these posibilities should be programmed by the designer?
I think the most practical way is that a person should know about design and
Java. Is this right?

Thanks a lot!

Luis Javier

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Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP

2002-05-28 Thread Greg Dunn

In a perfect world, no Java code would go in the JSP itself, it would all be
in servlets, custom tags or beans.  Then the designer only needs to know how
to insert code for a tag or bean and what information the tags or bean will
return; and which servlet to use as a form action or whatever.  Designers
can also use something like Dreamweaver to help with tag libraries.

Greg



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Hi everybody,

I'm a bit confused about the way JSPs should be programmed. Which is the
correct way to separate HTML design from Java logic? should a person be
responsible for the HTML and another person should take this result and
program the logic? but the presentation changes depending on the parameters
passed, so all these posibilities should be programmed by the designer?
I think the most practical way is that a person should know about design and
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Thanks a lot!

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Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP

2002-05-28 Thread Carlos Vicente

Uhhhm.
Really anybody works this way?

In any Enterprise, the web designers are the responsible of create the jsp´s
with tools such dreamweaver? I hear a lot such situation but i don´t know
anybody that work this way.

I think that usually are programmers (web programers but programmers(usually
the juniors)) wich take the HTML(only html) generated by the designers and
insert all the jsp and java stuff. Really JSP is a java class and is very
dangerous that people that don´t understand java programming touch a JSP(a
designer can understand a compilation error from the tomcat, Jrun, etc?).

If your project is very large is usual that certain programmers, work with
the logic stuff(beans, servlets, taglibs, ejb´s.) and other programmers
(web programmers) work with jsp or another template engines (velocity,
xsl).

But if anybody works this way, I´m happy to hear their impressions.




-Mensaje original-
De: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]En nombre de Greg Dunn
Enviado el: martes, 28 de mayo de 2002 18:10
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP


In a perfect world, no Java code would go in the JSP itself, it would all be
in servlets, custom tags or beans.  Then the designer only needs to know how
to insert code for a tag or bean and what information the tags or bean will
return; and which servlet to use as a form action or whatever.  Designers
can also use something like Dreamweaver to help with tag libraries.

Greg



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Subject: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP


Hi everybody,

I'm a bit confused about the way JSPs should be programmed. Which is the
correct way to separate HTML design from Java logic? should a person be
responsible for the HTML and another person should take this result and
program the logic? but the presentation changes depending on the parameters
passed, so all these posibilities should be programmed by the designer?
I think the most practical way is that a person should know about design and
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Thanks a lot!

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Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP

2002-05-28 Thread Haseltine, Celeste

Carlos, 

I don't know of anyone who actually works this way in the real world.  In
fact, we hired a jr individual who had no actual programming background,
including JavaScript, but did know HTML and could really create neat
graphics using Adobe Photoshop, FlashMX, etc.  Trying to teach him how to
write JSP's  and some JavaScript, using only JSP tag libraries and HTML for
the JSP's, has been more effort than it's really worth.  Although he tries
very hard, he has no background or experience by which to be able to "debug"
his JSP's or JavaScript.  And trying to get him to understand basic logic
such as for loops, for each, do until, if then else, switch/case, etc, has
been difficult.  He is GREAT HTML and graphics artist.  But he does not have
the mindset to "visualize" how to "code" his JPS's to produce the "final"
HTML.

I think this theory of using HTML/graphic artist types to create JSP's, and
using only your higher paid developers to create the backend using
servlets/Java Beans, etc, has come from both University/professor types who
have NO real world experience, and MBA/management types than those who are
more technical (with some business background) like us.  In theory it sounds
great, and to a high level manager with no actual technical
background/experience, it's the type of organizational structure that they
would eat up hook, line, and sinker, particularly since they can hire
HTML/graphic artist types at about 1/3 of what a mid level developer costs.
After going through it here with a total of 5 people on this project, I
would never recommend this type of setup in the real world.  Especially if
your a large development shop.  

Your suggestion of using JR developers to create the JSP's is more in line
with my experience in the real world.  As they gain experience and knowledge
of the product and the corporate culture, some of them will want to move
into the backend development, while others may want to specialize in
creating only custom tag libraries or deployment/upkeep of websites.  And
for the most part, they have the background and the "mindset" to visualize
what they need to do and how to accomplish that in a JSP page.

Just my two cents worth.  If anyone out there is really implementing this
"model" of using non-programmers to create JSP pages in their development
shops, I would be interested in knowing how well this has worked for you, if
you have any hard "cost savings" data that you can share, and whether you
would continue to use this model on future development projects.

Celeste 

-Original Message-
From: Carlos Vicente [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP


Uhhhm.
Really anybody works this way?

In any Enterprise, the web designers are the responsible of create the jsp´s
with tools such dreamweaver? I hear a lot such situation but i don´t know
anybody that work this way.

I think that usually are programmers (web programers but programmers(usually
the juniors)) wich take the HTML(only html) generated by the designers and
insert all the jsp and java stuff. Really JSP is a java class and is very
dangerous that people that don´t understand java programming touch a JSP(a
designer can understand a compilation error from the tomcat, Jrun, etc?).

If your project is very large is usual that certain programmers, work with
the logic stuff(beans, servlets, taglibs, ejb´s.) and other programmers
(web programmers) work with jsp or another template engines (velocity,
xsl).

But if anybody works this way, I´m happy to hear their impressions.




-Mensaje original-
De: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]En nombre de Greg Dunn
Enviado el: martes, 28 de mayo de 2002 18:10
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP


In a perfect world, no Java code would go in the JSP itself, it would all be
in servlets, custom tags or beans.  Then the designer only needs to know how
to insert code for a tag or bean and what information the tags or bean will
return; and which servlet to use as a form action or whatever.  Designers
can also use something like Dreamweaver to help with tag libraries.

Greg



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From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Luis Javier Beltrán
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP


Hi everybody,

I'm a bit confused about the way JSPs should be programmed. Which is the
correct way to separate HTML design from Java logic? should a person be
responsible for the HTML and another person should take this result and
program the logic? but the presentation changes depending on the parameters
passed, so all these posibilities should be programmed by the designer?
I think the most practical way is that a person shoul

Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP

2002-05-28 Thread techhead4life

I a well funded company.

Designer = responsible for design, graphics, flash content
Sitebuilder = responsible for making sure design does not break html/xslt
code template design based on design
Programmer = create logic or functions and responsible for function
integration
Database Admin = responsible with the uml design of db object realted to the
programming and maintenence of database data and servers
Project Manager = responsibile for the project
Team Lead = responsible for the programmers
Architect = responsible for the design of the overall system.

I a company with tight budgets.

Designer = responsible for design, graphics, flash content, responsible for
making sure design does not break html/xslt code template design based on
design
Programmer = responsible for the design of the overall system, create logic
or functions and responsible for function integration, responsible with the
uml design of db object realted to the programming and maintenence of
database data and servers
Project Manager = responsibile for the project



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From: "Haseltine, Celeste" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP


Carlos,

I don't know of anyone who actually works this way in the real world.  In
fact, we hired a jr individual who had no actual programming background,
including JavaScript, but did know HTML and could really create neat
graphics using Adobe Photoshop, FlashMX, etc.  Trying to teach him how to
write JSP's  and some JavaScript, using only JSP tag libraries and HTML for
the JSP's, has been more effort than it's really worth.  Although he tries
very hard, he has no background or experience by which to be able to "debug"
his JSP's or JavaScript.  And trying to get him to understand basic logic
such as for loops, for each, do until, if then else, switch/case, etc, has
been difficult.  He is GREAT HTML and graphics artist.  But he does not have
the mindset to "visualize" how to "code" his JPS's to produce the "final"
HTML.

I think this theory of using HTML/graphic artist types to create JSP's, and
using only your higher paid developers to create the backend using
servlets/Java Beans, etc, has come from both University/professor types who
have NO real world experience, and MBA/management types than those who are
more technical (with some business background) like us.  In theory it sounds
great, and to a high level manager with no actual technical
background/experience, it's the type of organizational structure that they
would eat up hook, line, and sinker, particularly since they can hire
HTML/graphic artist types at about 1/3 of what a mid level developer costs.
After going through it here with a total of 5 people on this project, I
would never recommend this type of setup in the real world.  Especially if
your a large development shop.

Your suggestion of using JR developers to create the JSP's is more in line
with my experience in the real world.  As they gain experience and knowledge
of the product and the corporate culture, some of them will want to move
into the backend development, while others may want to specialize in
creating only custom tag libraries or deployment/upkeep of websites.  And
for the most part, they have the background and the "mindset" to visualize
what they need to do and how to accomplish that in a JSP page.

Just my two cents worth.  If anyone out there is really implementing this
"model" of using non-programmers to create JSP pages in their development
shops, I would be interested in knowing how well this has worked for you, if
you have any hard "cost savings" data that you can share, and whether you
would continue to use this model on future development projects.

Celeste

-Original Message-
From: Carlos Vicente [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP


Uhhhm.
Really anybody works this way?

In any Enterprise, the web designers are the responsible of create the jsp´s
with tools such dreamweaver? I hear a lot such situation but i don´t know
anybody that work this way.

I think that usually are programmers (web programers but programmers(usually
the juniors)) wich take the HTML(only html) generated by the designers and
insert all the jsp and java stuff. Really JSP is a java class and is very
dangerous that people that don´t understand java programming touch a JSP(a
designer can understand a compilation error from the tomcat, Jrun, etc?).

If your project is very large is usual that certain programmers, work with
the logic stuff(beans, servlets, taglibs, ejb´s.) and other programmers
(web programmers) work with jsp or another template engines (velocity,
xsl).

But if anybody works this way, I´m happy to hear their impressions.




-Mensaje original-
De: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference
[mailto:[EMAIL PRO

websphere portal ??

2002-05-28 Thread sufi malak

Hi,
We will start using websphere portal next month, I don't have any idea what
is that, please could you help me :
1)what should I read to prepare for that ?
2)where in IBM or other sites can I go ?

Thanks your help is appreciated


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Re: websphere portal ??

2002-05-28 Thread Prabhu, Deepak

why don't u start by checking out what a 'portal' is on one of the various
search engines? I use 'Google.com', try that and it would give you some
answers.
Lets keep the questions specific to the list rather than generalizing it.

Deepak

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Subject: websphere portal ??


Hi,
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2)where in IBM or other sites can I go ?

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Re: websphere portal ??

2002-05-28 Thread Ramanujan, Madhusudhan

go to www.ibm.com
madu


Madu Ramanujan
Business Analyst
Pacificorp


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From: Prabhu, Deepak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: websphere portal ??


why don't u start by checking out what a 'portal' is on one of the various
search engines? I use 'Google.com', try that and it would give you some
answers.
Lets keep the questions specific to the list rather than generalizing it.

Deepak

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Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 3:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: websphere portal ??


Hi,
We will start using websphere portal next month, I don't have any idea what
is that, please could you help me :
1)what should I read to prepare for that ?
2)where in IBM or other sites can I go ?

Thanks your help is appreciated


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Re: websphere portal ??

2002-05-28 Thread Ramanujan, Madhusudhan

go to http://www.ibm.com
Madu


Madu Ramanujan
Business Analyst
Pacificorp


-Original Message-
From: Prabhu, Deepak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: websphere portal ??


why don't u start by checking out what a 'portal' is on one of the various
search engines? I use 'Google.com', try that and it would give you some
answers.
Lets keep the questions specific to the list rather than generalizing it.

Deepak

-Original Message-
From: sufi malak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 3:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: websphere portal ??


Hi,
We will start using websphere portal next month, I don't have any idea what
is that, please could you help me :
1)what should I read to prepare for that ?
2)where in IBM or other sites can I go ?

Thanks your help is appreciated


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Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP

2002-05-28 Thread Gare, Tref

Hi all,

We work on a somewhat reversed model than the suggested ideal. In our shop
programmers create basic JSP html framework alongside the development of the
backend functionality, and then we hand it over to the Graphics to make
beautiful.  This seems to work fairly well and our graphic designers are
fairly adept at avoiding stuffing up the dynamic code.  This also means they
are incrementally being educated in the syntax of the JSP/javascript stuff
and can increasingly take more of a role at earlier stages.  I believe this
is also true for the coders as they absorb greater design awareness from the
graphics along the way.

The downside of this is that UI issues of usability are not necessarily best
handled by programmers (or our ones at least ;=) ) and some fairly clunky
usability can find its way through to the graphics.  In our ideal world we'd
work with a UI designer first to map out the functionality, then create the
JSP/HTML/bean/servlet skeleton and hand it back to the designers to polish.

Whilst this works for us, I'm afraid I havn't got any cost analysis worth
sharing as to whether it's any better than any other system.

cheers

> -Original Message-
> From: Haseltine, Celeste [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday,29 May 2002 3:01
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP
>
> Carlos,
>
> I don't know of anyone who actually works this way in the real world.  In
> fact, we hired a jr individual who had no actual programming background,
> including JavaScript, but did know HTML and could really create neat
> graphics using Adobe Photoshop, FlashMX, etc.  Trying to teach him how to
> write JSP's  and some JavaScript, using only JSP tag libraries and HTML
> for
> the JSP's, has been more effort than it's really worth.  Although he tries
> very hard, he has no background or experience by which to be able to
> "debug"
> his JSP's or JavaScript.  And trying to get him to understand basic logic
> such as for loops, for each, do until, if then else, switch/case, etc, has
> been difficult.  He is GREAT HTML and graphics artist.  But he does not
> have
> the mindset to "visualize" how to "code" his JPS's to produce the "final"
> HTML.
>
> I think this theory of using HTML/graphic artist types to create JSP's,
> and
> using only your higher paid developers to create the backend using
> servlets/Java Beans, etc, has come from both University/professor types
> who
> have NO real world experience, and MBA/management types than those who are
> more technical (with some business background) like us.  In theory it
> sounds
> great, and to a high level manager with no actual technical
> background/experience, it's the type of organizational structure that they
> would eat up hook, line, and sinker, particularly since they can hire
> HTML/graphic artist types at about 1/3 of what a mid level developer
> costs.
> After going through it here with a total of 5 people on this project, I
> would never recommend this type of setup in the real world.  Especially if
> your a large development shop.
>
> Your suggestion of using JR developers to create the JSP's is more in line
> with my experience in the real world.  As they gain experience and
> knowledge
> of the product and the corporate culture, some of them will want to move
> into the backend development, while others may want to specialize in
> creating only custom tag libraries or deployment/upkeep of websites.  And
> for the most part, they have the background and the "mindset" to visualize
> what they need to do and how to accomplish that in a JSP page.
>
> Just my two cents worth.  If anyone out there is really implementing this
> "model" of using non-programmers to create JSP pages in their development
> shops, I would be interested in knowing how well this has worked for you,
> if
> you have any hard "cost savings" data that you can share, and whether you
> would continue to use this model on future development projects.
>
> Celeste
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Carlos Vicente [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:36 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP
>
>
> Uhhhm.
> Really anybody works this way?
>
> In any Enterprise, the web designers are the responsible of create the
> jsp´s
> with tools such dreamweaver? I hear a lot such situation but i don´t know
> anybody that work this way.
>
> I think that usually are programmers (web programers but
> programmers(usually
> the juniors)) wich take the HTML(only html) generated by the designers and
> insert all the jsp and java stuff. Really JSP is a java class and is very
> dangerous that people that don´t understand java programming touch a JSP(a
> designer can understand a compilation error from the tomcat, Jrun, etc?).
>
> If your project is very large is usual that certain programmers, work with
> the logic stuff(beans, servlets, taglibs, ejb´s.) and other
> programmers
> (

Re: pb vith tomcat 4.0.3

2002-05-28 Thread subbu

check your web.xml

- Original Message -
From: "MAZZOTTI Thierry FTT/DSD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 7:38 PM
Subject: pb vith tomcat 4.0.3


> when i try to launch tomcat 4.0.3, this message appear
>
> ERROR reading java.io.ByteArrayInputStream@763f5d
> At Line 16 /web-app/servlet/
>
> can you help me ?
>
>
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