Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent)
Send the html code as the servlet code is fine. -Original Message- From: Vaishali S. Pandya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: can not get parameter (It's urgent) hi all i took an array or text in my page on click of save button i just change the chmode=1 in mysave() of javascript and when submit the form it is String mode = request.getParameter("chmode"); if (mode == null){ mode = "0"; } else{ String tr = request.getParameter("totrow"); int tot=Integer.parseInt(tr); for(int r=0;i<=tot;i++{ String d = request.getParameter("txtdesc["+r+"]"); String node=request.getParameter("txtnode["+r+"]"); String lvl1=request.getParameter("txtlvl["+r+"]"); INSERT.. OR UPDATE } } but here i can not get txtdesc's value it gives me null all time even txtnode and txtlvl too i find null see i gave some value in all and then click the save button but always it takes null and make the array balnk. what to do? pls help it's urgent answers will be appreciated Thanks in advance Vaishali Relience Ind Ltd A'bad === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com ==To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent)
do you have form fields named like txtdesc[1] ? In other words like: This is what the code seems to be implying, if so, then reather use form field like "txtdesc1", i.e. withou the "[" and "]" as these might casuer problems. then in your Servlet you can use: String d = request.getParameter ( "txtdesc" + r ); > -Original Message- > From: Bhushan_Bhangale [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 28 May 2002 09:35 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent) > > Send the html code as the servlet code is fine. > > -Original Message- > From: Vaishali S. Pandya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: can not get parameter (It's urgent) > > > hi all > i took an array or text in my page > on click of save button i just change the chmode=1 in mysave() of > javascript > and when submit the form it is > > String mode = request.getParameter("chmode"); > if (mode == null){ > mode = "0"; > } > else{ > String tr = request.getParameter("totrow"); > int tot=Integer.parseInt(tr); > for(int r=0;i<=tot;i++{ >String d = request.getParameter("txtdesc["+r+"]"); >String node=request.getParameter("txtnode["+r+"]"); >String lvl1=request.getParameter("txtlvl["+r+"]"); >INSERT.. >OR >UPDATE > } > } > > but here i can not get txtdesc's value > it gives me null all time > even txtnode and txtlvl too i find null > see i gave some value in all and then click the save button but always it > takes null and make the array balnk. > what to do? > pls help it's urgent > > answers will be appreciated > > Thanks in advance > Vaishali > Relience Ind Ltd > A'bad > > == > = > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff > JSP-INTEREST". > For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST > DIGEST". > Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: > > http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp > http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp > http://www.jspinsider.com > > == > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff > JSP-INTEREST". > For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST > DIGEST". > Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: > > http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp > http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp > http://www.jspinsider.com -- ** The Truworths e-mail facility may not be used for the distribution of chain letters or offensive email. Truworths hereby distances itself from and accepts no liability for the unauthorised use of its e-mail facility or the sending of e-mail communications for other than strictly business purposes. Truworths furthermore disclaims liability for any unauthorised instruction for which permission was not granted. Please report abuse to [EMAIL PROTECTED] === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent)
i was using getParameter and was not working as the txtdesc is an array of text but now getParameterValues is working fine Thanks to all Vaishali Relience Ind Ltd A'bad Send the html code as the servlet code is fine. -Original Message- From: Vaishali S. Pandya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: can not get parameter (It's urgent) hi all i took an array or text in my page on click of save button i just change the chmode=1 in mysave() of javascript and when submit the form it is String mode = request.getParameter("chmode"); if (mode == null){ mode = "0"; } else{ String tr = request.getParameter("totrow"); int tot=Integer.parseInt(tr); for(int r=0;i<=tot;i++{ String d = request.getParameter("txtdesc["+r+"]"); String node=request.getParameter("txtnode["+r+"]"); String lvl1=request.getParameter("txtlvl["+r+"]"); INSERT.. OR UPDATE } } but here i can not get txtdesc's value it gives me null all time even txtnode and txtlvl too i find null see i gave some value in all and then click the save button but always it takes null and make the array balnk. what to do? pls help it's urgent answers will be appreciated Thanks in advance Vaishali Relience Ind Ltd A'bad === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com =To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent)
no, all text is having name txtdesc and i was trying to get value of txtdesc[r] using String d = request.getParameter("txtdesc["+r+"]"); so it was not responding this statement and returning null but now i take the values using String[] d = request.getParameterValues("txtdesc"); and d[r] is working fine Thanks Vaishali Relience Ind Ltd A'bad Adrian Janssen cc: Sent by: A Subject: Re: can not get parameter (It's mailing list urgent) about Java Server Pages specification and reference 05/28/02 01:18 PM Please respond to A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference do you have form fields named like txtdesc[1] ? In other words like: This is what the code seems to be implying, if so, then reather use form field like "txtdesc1", i.e. withou the "[" and "]" as these might casuer problems. then in your Servlet you can use: String d = request.getParameter ( "txtdesc" + r ); > -Original Message- > From: Bhushan_Bhangale [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 28 May 2002 09:35 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent) > > Send the html code as the servlet code is fine. > > -Original Message- > From: Vaishali S. Pandya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: can not get parameter (It's urgent) > > > hi all > i took an array or text in my page > on click of save button i just change the chmode=1 in mysave() of > javascript > and when submit the form it is > > String mode = request.getParameter("chmode"); > if (mode == null){ > mode = "0"; > } > else{ > String tr = request.getParameter("totrow"); > int tot=Integer.parseInt(tr); > for(int r=0;i<=tot;i++{ >String d = request.getParameter("txtdesc["+r+"]"); >String node=request.getParameter("txtnode["+r+"]"); >String lvl1=request.getParameter("txtlvl["+r+"]"); >INSERT.. >OR >UPDATE > } > } > > but here i can not get txtdesc's value > it gives me null all time > even txtnode and txtlvl too i find null > see i gave some value in all and then click the save button but always it > takes null and make the array balnk. > what to do? > pls help it's urgent > > answers will be appreciated > > Thanks in advance > Vaishali > Relience Ind Ltd > A'bad > > == > = > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff > JSP-INTEREST". > For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST > DIGEST". > Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: > > http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp > http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp > http://www.jspinsider.com > > == > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff > JSP-INTEREST". > For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST > DIGEST". > Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: > > http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp > http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp > http://www.jspinsider.com -- ** The Truworths e-mail facility may not be used for the distribution of chain letters or offensive email. Truworths hereby distances itself from and accepts no liability for the unauthorised use of its e-mail facility or the sending of e-mail communications for other than strictly business purposes. Truworths furthermore disclaims liability for any unauthorised instruction for which permission was not granted. Please report abuse to [EMAIL PROTECTED] === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST".
Re: Need help related to "JSP + JDBC + Oracle "!
You need to include oracle classes (classes102.zip). that's by this way i fixed the problem. -Message d'origine- De : A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]De la part de Shamshad Alam Envoyé : mardi 28 mai 2002 02:08 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Need help related to "JSP + JDBC + Oracle "! Dear All, I am using Tomcat 4.0, J2SDK 1.4.0 and Oracle 8i. The Operating system is Windows 2000. Both Oracle and J2SDK are in C:\ drive. I wrote a simple Java code which connects to Oracle database and updates it. The program is working absolutely fine. I compiled and kept the .class file of this program under C:\tommy\webapps\shamshad\WEB-INF\classes and I kept one jsp file, which includes the java file, under C:\tommy\webapps\shamshad\jsp.Through an HTML form I tried to write some data in Oracle database and get error like "Error,Class Not Found java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleDriver at org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoader.loadClass der.java:1307)" I have set the classpath and tried with different combinations but it is yet not working. I have wasted my 3 days in making it run.I beg for help. Please,sugegst me how to solve this problem. Looking forward to your responses. Thanking you --Shamshad Alam - This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: Case sensitive url
Hi, See the jsp1 servlet generated by the server. It may have Order in his classpath. If it has Order in his classpath, jsp can be accessed only thru Order/jsp1.jsp. Regards, A.G.Sabari Arasu Assistant Systems Engineer, TATA Consultancy Services, Ambattur, Chennai, India. > -Original Message- > From: piyush jain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:51 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Case sensitive url > > Hi Friends, > > I am facing peculiar problem, though menial but thought worth > discussing. > > I have 2 jsps in folder "Order" (pl note case). 1st jsp can be > called http://server/order/jsp1.jsp, without giving "Order" > without matching case. The other jsp is called using > http://server/Order/jsp1.jsp. here if i dont match case of > "Order", it gives class not found error in error log, ie it doesnt > work. > > If anybody knows the reason for the same? some coding specs that > has to be taken care about? > > regards, > Piyush. > _ > Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or > Abroad > http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > == > = > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff > JSP-INTEREST". > For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST > DIGEST". > Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: > > http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp > http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp > http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: Case sensitive url
It seems I specified classpath instead of package name. Regards, A.G.Sabari Arasu Assistant Systems Engineer, TATA Consultancy Services, Ambattur, Chennai, India. > -Original Message- > From: Sabari Arasu (CTC) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 6:27 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Case sensitive url > > Hi, > > See the jsp1 servlet generated by the server. It may have Order in his > classpath. If it has Order in his classpath, jsp can be accessed only thru > Order/jsp1.jsp. > > Regards, > A.G.Sabari Arasu > Assistant Systems Engineer, > TATA Consultancy Services, > Ambattur, > Chennai, > India. > > > -Original Message- > > From: piyush jain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:51 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Case sensitive url > > > > Hi Friends, > > > > I am facing peculiar problem, though menial but thought worth > > discussing. > > > > I have 2 jsps in folder "Order" (pl note case). 1st jsp can be > > called http://server/order/jsp1.jsp, without giving "Order" > > without matching case. The other jsp is called using > > http://server/Order/jsp1.jsp. here if i dont match case of > > "Order", it gives class not found error in error log, ie it doesnt > > work. > > > > If anybody knows the reason for the same? some coding specs that > > has to be taken care about? > > > > regards, > > Piyush. > > _ > > Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or > > Abroad > > http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs > > > > > == > > = > > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff > > JSP-INTEREST". > > For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST > > DIGEST". > > Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: > > > > http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html > > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp > > http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp > > http://www.jspinsider.com > > == > = > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff > JSP-INTEREST". > For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST > DIGEST". > Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: > > http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp > http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp > http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent)
You should have used String d = request.getParameter(txtdesc[r]); It would work the way you want it -Original Message- From: Vaishali S. Pandya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 1:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent) no, all text is having name txtdesc and i was trying to get value of txtdesc[r] using String d = request.getParameter("txtdesc["+r+"]"); so it was not responding this statement and returning null but now i take the values using String[] d = request.getParameterValues("txtdesc"); and d[r] is working fine Thanks Vaishali Relience Ind Ltd A'bad Adrian Janssen cc: Sent by: A Subject: Re: can not get parameter (It's mailing list urgent) about Java Server Pages specification and reference 05/28/02 01:18 PM Please respond to A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference do you have form fields named like txtdesc[1] ? In other words like: This is what the code seems to be implying, if so, then reather use form field like "txtdesc1", i.e. withou the "[" and "]" as these might casuer problems. then in your Servlet you can use: String d = request.getParameter ( "txtdesc" + r ); > -Original Message- > From: Bhushan_Bhangale [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 28 May 2002 09:35 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: can not get parameter (It's urgent) > > Send the html code as the servlet code is fine. > > -Original Message- > From: Vaishali S. Pandya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: can not get parameter (It's urgent) > > > hi all > i took an array or text in my page > on click of save button i just change the chmode=1 in mysave() of > javascript > and when submit the form it is > > String mode = request.getParameter("chmode"); > if (mode == null){ > mode = "0"; > } > else{ > String tr = request.getParameter("totrow"); > int tot=Integer.parseInt(tr); > for(int r=0;i<=tot;i++{ >String d = request.getParameter("txtdesc["+r+"]"); >String node=request.getParameter("txtnode["+r+"]"); >String lvl1=request.getParameter("txtlvl["+r+"]"); >INSERT.. >OR >UPDATE > } > } > > but here i can not get txtdesc's value > it gives me null all time > even txtnode and txtlvl too i find null > see i gave some value in all and then click the save button but always it > takes null and make the array balnk. > what to do? > pls help it's urgent > > answers will be appreciated > > Thanks in advance > Vaishali > Relience Ind Ltd > A'bad > > == > = > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff > JSP-INTEREST". > For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST > DIGEST". > Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: > > http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp > http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp > http://www.jspinsider.com > > == > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff > JSP-INTEREST". > For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST > DIGEST". > Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: > > http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp > http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp > http://www.jspinsider.com -- ** The Truworths e-mail facility may not be used for the distribution of chain letters or offensive email. Truworths hereby distances itself from and accepts no liability for the unauthorised use of its e-mail facility or the sending of e-mail communications for other than strictly business purposes. Truworths furthermore disclaims liability for any unauthorised instruction for which permission was not granted. Please report abuse to [EMAIL PROTECTED] === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://
pb vith tomcat 4.0.3
when i try to launch tomcat 4.0.3, this message appear ERROR reading java.io.ByteArrayInputStream@763f5d At Line 16 /web-app/servlet/ can you help me ? === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP
Hi everybody, I'm a bit confused about the way JSPs should be programmed. Which is the correct way to separate HTML design from Java logic? should a person be responsible for the HTML and another person should take this result and program the logic? but the presentation changes depending on the parameters passed, so all these posibilities should be programmed by the designer? I think the most practical way is that a person should know about design and Java. Is this right? Thanks a lot! Luis Javier === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP
I agree with you, it's imposible to absolutly separete aspect from funcionality. I think web technology has a long way to go yet. It's just an opinion, Julia -Mensaje original- De: Luis Javier Beltrán [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: martes, 28 de mayo de 2002 18:01 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP Hi everybody, I'm a bit confused about the way JSPs should be programmed. Which is the correct way to separate HTML design from Java logic? should a person be responsible for the HTML and another person should take this result and program the logic? but the presentation changes depending on the parameters passed, so all these posibilities should be programmed by the designer? I think the most practical way is that a person should know about design and Java. Is this right? Thanks a lot! Luis Javier === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com - Este correo electrónico y, en su caso, cualquier fichero anexo al mismo, contiene información de carácter confidencial exclusivamente dirigida a su destinatario o destinatarios. Queda prohibida su divulgación, copia o distribución a terceros sin la previa autorización escrita de Indra. En el caso de haber recibido este correo electrónico por error, se ruega notificar inmediatamente esta circunstancia mediante reenvío a la dirección electrónica del remitente. - The information in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). You are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this communication is prohibited without the prior written consent of Indra. If you have received this communication in error, please, notify the sender by reply e-mail. - ==To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP
In a perfect world, no Java code would go in the JSP itself, it would all be in servlets, custom tags or beans. Then the designer only needs to know how to insert code for a tag or bean and what information the tags or bean will return; and which servlet to use as a form action or whatever. Designers can also use something like Dreamweaver to help with tag libraries. Greg -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Luis Javier Beltrán Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP Hi everybody, I'm a bit confused about the way JSPs should be programmed. Which is the correct way to separate HTML design from Java logic? should a person be responsible for the HTML and another person should take this result and program the logic? but the presentation changes depending on the parameters passed, so all these posibilities should be programmed by the designer? I think the most practical way is that a person should know about design and Java. Is this right? Thanks a lot! Luis Javier === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP
Uhhhm. Really anybody works this way? In any Enterprise, the web designers are the responsible of create the jsp´s with tools such dreamweaver? I hear a lot such situation but i don´t know anybody that work this way. I think that usually are programmers (web programers but programmers(usually the juniors)) wich take the HTML(only html) generated by the designers and insert all the jsp and java stuff. Really JSP is a java class and is very dangerous that people that don´t understand java programming touch a JSP(a designer can understand a compilation error from the tomcat, Jrun, etc?). If your project is very large is usual that certain programmers, work with the logic stuff(beans, servlets, taglibs, ejb´s.) and other programmers (web programmers) work with jsp or another template engines (velocity, xsl). But if anybody works this way, I´m happy to hear their impressions. -Mensaje original- De: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]En nombre de Greg Dunn Enviado el: martes, 28 de mayo de 2002 18:10 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP In a perfect world, no Java code would go in the JSP itself, it would all be in servlets, custom tags or beans. Then the designer only needs to know how to insert code for a tag or bean and what information the tags or bean will return; and which servlet to use as a form action or whatever. Designers can also use something like Dreamweaver to help with tag libraries. Greg -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Luis Javier Beltrán Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP Hi everybody, I'm a bit confused about the way JSPs should be programmed. Which is the correct way to separate HTML design from Java logic? should a person be responsible for the HTML and another person should take this result and program the logic? but the presentation changes depending on the parameters passed, so all these posibilities should be programmed by the designer? I think the most practical way is that a person should know about design and Java. Is this right? Thanks a lot! Luis Javier === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP
Carlos, I don't know of anyone who actually works this way in the real world. In fact, we hired a jr individual who had no actual programming background, including JavaScript, but did know HTML and could really create neat graphics using Adobe Photoshop, FlashMX, etc. Trying to teach him how to write JSP's and some JavaScript, using only JSP tag libraries and HTML for the JSP's, has been more effort than it's really worth. Although he tries very hard, he has no background or experience by which to be able to "debug" his JSP's or JavaScript. And trying to get him to understand basic logic such as for loops, for each, do until, if then else, switch/case, etc, has been difficult. He is GREAT HTML and graphics artist. But he does not have the mindset to "visualize" how to "code" his JPS's to produce the "final" HTML. I think this theory of using HTML/graphic artist types to create JSP's, and using only your higher paid developers to create the backend using servlets/Java Beans, etc, has come from both University/professor types who have NO real world experience, and MBA/management types than those who are more technical (with some business background) like us. In theory it sounds great, and to a high level manager with no actual technical background/experience, it's the type of organizational structure that they would eat up hook, line, and sinker, particularly since they can hire HTML/graphic artist types at about 1/3 of what a mid level developer costs. After going through it here with a total of 5 people on this project, I would never recommend this type of setup in the real world. Especially if your a large development shop. Your suggestion of using JR developers to create the JSP's is more in line with my experience in the real world. As they gain experience and knowledge of the product and the corporate culture, some of them will want to move into the backend development, while others may want to specialize in creating only custom tag libraries or deployment/upkeep of websites. And for the most part, they have the background and the "mindset" to visualize what they need to do and how to accomplish that in a JSP page. Just my two cents worth. If anyone out there is really implementing this "model" of using non-programmers to create JSP pages in their development shops, I would be interested in knowing how well this has worked for you, if you have any hard "cost savings" data that you can share, and whether you would continue to use this model on future development projects. Celeste -Original Message- From: Carlos Vicente [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP Uhhhm. Really anybody works this way? In any Enterprise, the web designers are the responsible of create the jsp´s with tools such dreamweaver? I hear a lot such situation but i don´t know anybody that work this way. I think that usually are programmers (web programers but programmers(usually the juniors)) wich take the HTML(only html) generated by the designers and insert all the jsp and java stuff. Really JSP is a java class and is very dangerous that people that don´t understand java programming touch a JSP(a designer can understand a compilation error from the tomcat, Jrun, etc?). If your project is very large is usual that certain programmers, work with the logic stuff(beans, servlets, taglibs, ejb´s.) and other programmers (web programmers) work with jsp or another template engines (velocity, xsl). But if anybody works this way, I´m happy to hear their impressions. -Mensaje original- De: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]En nombre de Greg Dunn Enviado el: martes, 28 de mayo de 2002 18:10 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP In a perfect world, no Java code would go in the JSP itself, it would all be in servlets, custom tags or beans. Then the designer only needs to know how to insert code for a tag or bean and what information the tags or bean will return; and which servlet to use as a form action or whatever. Designers can also use something like Dreamweaver to help with tag libraries. Greg -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Luis Javier Beltrán Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP Hi everybody, I'm a bit confused about the way JSPs should be programmed. Which is the correct way to separate HTML design from Java logic? should a person be responsible for the HTML and another person should take this result and program the logic? but the presentation changes depending on the parameters passed, so all these posibilities should be programmed by the designer? I think the most practical way is that a person shoul
Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP
I a well funded company. Designer = responsible for design, graphics, flash content Sitebuilder = responsible for making sure design does not break html/xslt code template design based on design Programmer = create logic or functions and responsible for function integration Database Admin = responsible with the uml design of db object realted to the programming and maintenence of database data and servers Project Manager = responsibile for the project Team Lead = responsible for the programmers Architect = responsible for the design of the overall system. I a company with tight budgets. Designer = responsible for design, graphics, flash content, responsible for making sure design does not break html/xslt code template design based on design Programmer = responsible for the design of the overall system, create logic or functions and responsible for function integration, responsible with the uml design of db object realted to the programming and maintenence of database data and servers Project Manager = responsibile for the project - Original Message - From: "Haseltine, Celeste" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP Carlos, I don't know of anyone who actually works this way in the real world. In fact, we hired a jr individual who had no actual programming background, including JavaScript, but did know HTML and could really create neat graphics using Adobe Photoshop, FlashMX, etc. Trying to teach him how to write JSP's and some JavaScript, using only JSP tag libraries and HTML for the JSP's, has been more effort than it's really worth. Although he tries very hard, he has no background or experience by which to be able to "debug" his JSP's or JavaScript. And trying to get him to understand basic logic such as for loops, for each, do until, if then else, switch/case, etc, has been difficult. He is GREAT HTML and graphics artist. But he does not have the mindset to "visualize" how to "code" his JPS's to produce the "final" HTML. I think this theory of using HTML/graphic artist types to create JSP's, and using only your higher paid developers to create the backend using servlets/Java Beans, etc, has come from both University/professor types who have NO real world experience, and MBA/management types than those who are more technical (with some business background) like us. In theory it sounds great, and to a high level manager with no actual technical background/experience, it's the type of organizational structure that they would eat up hook, line, and sinker, particularly since they can hire HTML/graphic artist types at about 1/3 of what a mid level developer costs. After going through it here with a total of 5 people on this project, I would never recommend this type of setup in the real world. Especially if your a large development shop. Your suggestion of using JR developers to create the JSP's is more in line with my experience in the real world. As they gain experience and knowledge of the product and the corporate culture, some of them will want to move into the backend development, while others may want to specialize in creating only custom tag libraries or deployment/upkeep of websites. And for the most part, they have the background and the "mindset" to visualize what they need to do and how to accomplish that in a JSP page. Just my two cents worth. If anyone out there is really implementing this "model" of using non-programmers to create JSP pages in their development shops, I would be interested in knowing how well this has worked for you, if you have any hard "cost savings" data that you can share, and whether you would continue to use this model on future development projects. Celeste -Original Message- From: Carlos Vicente [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP Uhhhm. Really anybody works this way? In any Enterprise, the web designers are the responsible of create the jsp´s with tools such dreamweaver? I hear a lot such situation but i don´t know anybody that work this way. I think that usually are programmers (web programers but programmers(usually the juniors)) wich take the HTML(only html) generated by the designers and insert all the jsp and java stuff. Really JSP is a java class and is very dangerous that people that don´t understand java programming touch a JSP(a designer can understand a compilation error from the tomcat, Jrun, etc?). If your project is very large is usual that certain programmers, work with the logic stuff(beans, servlets, taglibs, ejb´s.) and other programmers (web programmers) work with jsp or another template engines (velocity, xsl). But if anybody works this way, I´m happy to hear their impressions. -Mensaje original- De: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PRO
websphere portal ??
Hi, We will start using websphere portal next month, I don't have any idea what is that, please could you help me : 1)what should I read to prepare for that ? 2)where in IBM or other sites can I go ? Thanks your help is appreciated _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: websphere portal ??
why don't u start by checking out what a 'portal' is on one of the various search engines? I use 'Google.com', try that and it would give you some answers. Lets keep the questions specific to the list rather than generalizing it. Deepak -Original Message- From: sufi malak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 3:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: websphere portal ?? Hi, We will start using websphere portal next month, I don't have any idea what is that, please could you help me : 1)what should I read to prepare for that ? 2)where in IBM or other sites can I go ? Thanks your help is appreciated _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: websphere portal ??
go to www.ibm.com madu Madu Ramanujan Business Analyst Pacificorp -Original Message- From: Prabhu, Deepak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: websphere portal ?? why don't u start by checking out what a 'portal' is on one of the various search engines? I use 'Google.com', try that and it would give you some answers. Lets keep the questions specific to the list rather than generalizing it. Deepak -Original Message- From: sufi malak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 3:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: websphere portal ?? Hi, We will start using websphere portal next month, I don't have any idea what is that, please could you help me : 1)what should I read to prepare for that ? 2)where in IBM or other sites can I go ? Thanks your help is appreciated _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com -- This email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else, unless expressly approved by the sender or an authorized addressee, is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action omitted or taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you believe that you have received this email in error, please contact the sender, delete this e-mail and destroy all copies. == === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: websphere portal ??
go to http://www.ibm.com Madu Madu Ramanujan Business Analyst Pacificorp -Original Message- From: Prabhu, Deepak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: websphere portal ?? why don't u start by checking out what a 'portal' is on one of the various search engines? I use 'Google.com', try that and it would give you some answers. Lets keep the questions specific to the list rather than generalizing it. Deepak -Original Message- From: sufi malak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 3:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: websphere portal ?? Hi, We will start using websphere portal next month, I don't have any idea what is that, please could you help me : 1)what should I read to prepare for that ? 2)where in IBM or other sites can I go ? Thanks your help is appreciated _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com -- This email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else, unless expressly approved by the sender or an authorized addressee, is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action omitted or taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you believe that you have received this email in error, please contact the sender, delete this e-mail and destroy all copies. == === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP
Hi all, We work on a somewhat reversed model than the suggested ideal. In our shop programmers create basic JSP html framework alongside the development of the backend functionality, and then we hand it over to the Graphics to make beautiful. This seems to work fairly well and our graphic designers are fairly adept at avoiding stuffing up the dynamic code. This also means they are incrementally being educated in the syntax of the JSP/javascript stuff and can increasingly take more of a role at earlier stages. I believe this is also true for the coders as they absorb greater design awareness from the graphics along the way. The downside of this is that UI issues of usability are not necessarily best handled by programmers (or our ones at least ;=) ) and some fairly clunky usability can find its way through to the graphics. In our ideal world we'd work with a UI designer first to map out the functionality, then create the JSP/HTML/bean/servlet skeleton and hand it back to the designers to polish. Whilst this works for us, I'm afraid I havn't got any cost analysis worth sharing as to whether it's any better than any other system. cheers > -Original Message- > From: Haseltine, Celeste [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday,29 May 2002 3:01 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP > > Carlos, > > I don't know of anyone who actually works this way in the real world. In > fact, we hired a jr individual who had no actual programming background, > including JavaScript, but did know HTML and could really create neat > graphics using Adobe Photoshop, FlashMX, etc. Trying to teach him how to > write JSP's and some JavaScript, using only JSP tag libraries and HTML > for > the JSP's, has been more effort than it's really worth. Although he tries > very hard, he has no background or experience by which to be able to > "debug" > his JSP's or JavaScript. And trying to get him to understand basic logic > such as for loops, for each, do until, if then else, switch/case, etc, has > been difficult. He is GREAT HTML and graphics artist. But he does not > have > the mindset to "visualize" how to "code" his JPS's to produce the "final" > HTML. > > I think this theory of using HTML/graphic artist types to create JSP's, > and > using only your higher paid developers to create the backend using > servlets/Java Beans, etc, has come from both University/professor types > who > have NO real world experience, and MBA/management types than those who are > more technical (with some business background) like us. In theory it > sounds > great, and to a high level manager with no actual technical > background/experience, it's the type of organizational structure that they > would eat up hook, line, and sinker, particularly since they can hire > HTML/graphic artist types at about 1/3 of what a mid level developer > costs. > After going through it here with a total of 5 people on this project, I > would never recommend this type of setup in the real world. Especially if > your a large development shop. > > Your suggestion of using JR developers to create the JSP's is more in line > with my experience in the real world. As they gain experience and > knowledge > of the product and the corporate culture, some of them will want to move > into the backend development, while others may want to specialize in > creating only custom tag libraries or deployment/upkeep of websites. And > for the most part, they have the background and the "mindset" to visualize > what they need to do and how to accomplish that in a JSP page. > > Just my two cents worth. If anyone out there is really implementing this > "model" of using non-programmers to create JSP pages in their development > shops, I would be interested in knowing how well this has worked for you, > if > you have any hard "cost savings" data that you can share, and whether you > would continue to use this model on future development projects. > > Celeste > > -Original Message- > From: Carlos Vicente [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:36 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Separation of HTML and Java work in a JSP > > > Uhhhm. > Really anybody works this way? > > In any Enterprise, the web designers are the responsible of create the > jsp´s > with tools such dreamweaver? I hear a lot such situation but i don´t know > anybody that work this way. > > I think that usually are programmers (web programers but > programmers(usually > the juniors)) wich take the HTML(only html) generated by the designers and > insert all the jsp and java stuff. Really JSP is a java class and is very > dangerous that people that don´t understand java programming touch a JSP(a > designer can understand a compilation error from the tomcat, Jrun, etc?). > > If your project is very large is usual that certain programmers, work with > the logic stuff(beans, servlets, taglibs, ejb´s.) and other > programmers > (
Re: pb vith tomcat 4.0.3
check your web.xml - Original Message - From: "MAZZOTTI Thierry FTT/DSD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: pb vith tomcat 4.0.3 > when i try to launch tomcat 4.0.3, this message appear > > ERROR reading java.io.ByteArrayInputStream@763f5d > At Line 16 /web-app/servlet/ > > can you help me ? > > === > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". > For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". > Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: > > http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp > http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp > http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com