Re: Joseph Ottinger -- FINAL POST!!!
visit www.roseindia.net/jsp/jsp.htm - Original Message - From: Nasser Dassi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: mm/23/2001 12:13 AM Subject: Re: Joseph Ottinger -- FINAL POST!!! > NOBODY CARES, ANYMORE. > > NOBODY LOVES YOU. > > NOBODY WANTS TO BE YOUR FRIEND. > > Everybody, please. We have feelings, but this is not the arena to share > feelings about Mr. Ottinger. > > His email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email him, converse with him. > > I WANT MORE JSP-BASED ANSWERS, CODE SNIPPETS, HELP, ADVICE. > > SHUT UP! NOBODY LOVES YOU. > > Yours, > > Nasser Dassi > Software & Internet Developer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "Openmindedness Rewards A Lifetime" > > PS: NOTE THE ABOVE QUOTE!!! > > === > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". > For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". > Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: > > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html > http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP > http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: Joseph Ottinger
Greetings All! My first and final post on this the OFF-TOPIC issue, please indulge me. "JSP-Interest: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference." To Mr. Koon and Mr. Ottinger: I can appreciate and understand your opinions on this issue. "JSP-Interest: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference." In response to Mr. Koon, I disagree with you. You are accusing Mr. Ottinger of flaming the posters of stupid questions. I have only seen Mr. Ottinger flame the posters of stupid off-topic questions; people seem to be missing this argument. We are all frustrated by the off-topic posts. I especially loath the 'how do I unsubscribe?' messages (when the instructions are listed at the bottom of every post). "JSP-Interest: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference." In Mr. Ottinger's defense, he has politely answered JSP questions in this list (most of them simple). While I understand his actions, I do not agree with them; however, I will not condemn him. If we ignore the off-topic questions, I believe they will soon dissipate. Flaming the sender results in a defensive reaction followed by support from both sides. (The single "JDBC Drivers comparing" post resulted in 1 initial post and 7 follow-ups on that thread followed by this and other threads). "JSP-Interest: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference." We can often identify the off-topic posts by their subject; please ignore them. Perhaps we should put the list description in every post: "JSP-Interest: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference." Of course, it is already in the name of the Reply-To address, how many times do we need to publish it for the point to stick ( from message header -> "Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" ). "JSP-Interest: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference." Regards, Daniel A. Mork "JSP-Interest: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference." === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: Joseph Ottinger -- FINAL POST!!!
NOBODY CARES, ANYMORE. NOBODY LOVES YOU. NOBODY WANTS TO BE YOUR FRIEND. Everybody, please. We have feelings, but this is not the arena to share feelings about Mr. Ottinger. His email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email him, converse with him. I WANT MORE JSP-BASED ANSWERS, CODE SNIPPETS, HELP, ADVICE. SHUT UP! NOBODY LOVES YOU. Yours, Nasser Dassi Software & Internet Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Openmindedness Rewards A Lifetime" PS: NOTE THE ABOVE QUOTE!!! === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: Joseph Ottinger
I personally believe that you will get a lot out of getting books on JSP and Servlets (as they are closely related) from the bookstore. They cover a lot more ground than any thread possibly can. Also some books get into some advanced topics. The investment is worth it -Jay p.s. thanks for mentioning jspin, jspinsider etc. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: Joseph Ottinger
I personally believe that you will get a lot out of getting books on JSP and Servlets (as they are closely related) from the bookstore. They cover a lot more ground than any thread possibly can. Also some books get into some advanced topics. The investment is worth it -Jay --- Joseph Ottinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >From: Scott Koon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >The problem with JSP is there are a lot of poor > references on the web. > > Okay. Let's assume this is true: jspin.com, > jspinsider.com, > java.sun.com/products/jsp etc. are all > flawed/poor/whatever. > > Does anyone know JSP? Does anyone have an interest > in seeing the JSP > community flourish? > > If the same person can answer "yes," then great - > correct the situation. I'm > sure you'd get lots of support from legions of > adoring fans. I'd do it, but > I'm already doing so for a few other things, and I'm > capped out; besides, > having already done it, I'm aware of what support > the legions of adoring > fans give you. > > So put up a site on geocities or whatever. Do > something about it. Don't sit > back and accept constant spam on JSP-I just because > it's there. > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > === > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". > For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: > "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". > Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: > > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html > http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP > http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: Joseph Ottinger
Alas, *I* don't know enough about JSP to start a reference site and my plate (like yours) is FULL trying to develop a web application in 3 languages (VBScript/ASP/VB, JSP/Java, and XML/XSLT ). I'm willing and able to sort through the off topic posts or posts that I'm not interested in to get to the jewels in the rough that help me out on my projects. -Original Message----- From: Joseph Ottinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Joseph Ottinger >From: Scott Koon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >The problem with JSP is there are a lot of poor references on the web. Okay. Let's assume this is true: jspin.com, jspinsider.com, java.sun.com/products/jsp etc. are all flawed/poor/whatever. Does anyone know JSP? Does anyone have an interest in seeing the JSP community flourish? If the same person can answer "yes," then great - correct the situation. I'm sure you'd get lots of support from legions of adoring fans. I'd do it, but I'm already doing so for a few other things, and I'm capped out; besides, having already done it, I'm aware of what support the legions of adoring fans give you. So put up a site on geocities or whatever. Do something about it. Don't sit back and accept constant spam on JSP-I just because it's there. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: Joseph Ottinger
>From: Scott Koon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >The problem with JSP is there are a lot of poor references on the web. Okay. Let's assume this is true: jspin.com, jspinsider.com, java.sun.com/products/jsp etc. are all flawed/poor/whatever. Does anyone know JSP? Does anyone have an interest in seeing the JSP community flourish? If the same person can answer "yes," then great - correct the situation. I'm sure you'd get lots of support from legions of adoring fans. I'd do it, but I'm already doing so for a few other things, and I'm capped out; besides, having already done it, I'm aware of what support the legions of adoring fans give you. So put up a site on geocities or whatever. Do something about it. Don't sit back and accept constant spam on JSP-I just because it's there. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: Joseph Ottinger (Yes, O/T)
so piss off and go somewhere else. Remember everytime you read a post that you consider "simple" there are at least 10 other people in the world that know more than you do and would consider any question you asked to be "simple" -Original Message- From: Andrea Vicentini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 3:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Joseph Ottinger (Yes, O/T) Hi folks, I have admiration for Mr. Joseph Ottinger. Every time I read an OT/ultra-dummy question, I simply inveigh (what a difficult english word), I wish to flame 'em all but I never do it -- just because I don't want to *loose* my time... the questions are so stupid that any answer would not take them much forward. But J. Ottinger is better than me: he replies! Then, I think there would be much to discuss about the term "simple question" too. There are - ultra-dummy questions that any search with a search engine (or simply type www.my-very-desired-answer.com) would answer and - on-topic simple questions. The former should be flamed, the latter should be answered. I always asked myself: how is it possible that a person, who is able to _join_ a mailing and _post_ a question, is not able to use a search engine? I have learned to use search engines much before being able to interact with a mailing list... what about them? I read 6 mailing lists -- no other of them has a so basic-dummy-childish level as this JSP-interest. There was a thread about OT questions on the EJB-INTEREST mailing list some day ago -- I laughed about it, the so-called "OT" questions _there_ would be "mega-interesting-on-topic" questions compared to the level of the posts _here_. Happy flaming to all... Andrea V. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: Joseph Ottinger
The problem with JSP is there are a lot of poor references on the web. Nothing compared to the support that Micro$oft has for it's ASP framework. There is the spec, which is tedious, hard to read, and poorly organized (I know, I tried referring to it when I first started to learn JSP). In general most Java references are poorly written and assume the "happy day" scenario. Troubleshooting JSP is almost non-existent. There is one page in the Sun Java tutorial which proved useful, it talked about "problems you'll run into when you first start writing Java code". The error messages that the Java compiler and JSP engines return are cryptic at best, useless at worst, AND poorly documented as well. Discussion lists such as this one are often the best/only source of "real world" information and troubleshooting that most people starting to learn JSP have available to them. If anyone doesn't like the list, feel free to start your own. To reply to people in a condescending way is unacceptable. Also remember that, so far, ALL of the Java/JSP references are written in ENGLISH. Many people asking questions do not speak/read English as their first language and the technical references (especially the spec) may not be as easy for them to read as the replies in here. So perhaps Mr Ottinger (and others) should stop and re-read their replies before hitting "Send". P.S. replying to a posted message saying "no no no, this is off topic. you shouldn't attempt to answer a question if you don't know the answer" as I saw Geert Van Damme do is pointless and rude. If you are going to complain about the question, at least answer it. -Original Message- From: Karau, Joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Joseph Ottinger I agree with Joseph as well. There are way to many subscribers to this list asking either off-topic, or "simple" questions. They are, in my opinion, being quite lazy. Those asking off-topic questions should probably try to find the appropriate forum for their questions, they would probably get more responses, and those that they received would also probably be better. Those asking the "simple" questions, the questions themselves may not really be simple, but if they would try to spend time searching for the appropriate reference and answering it themselves they will learn much more than if somebody else just answers the question for them. Mailing lists such as this are an excellent way for programmers to probe the knowledge and experience of other programmers who have experienced similar problems. However, by simply answering all of these off-topic posts, and "simple" questions without at least suggesting that they find the right place to ask them, or spend some time trying to figure it out themselves, will only increase the frequency that such questions are posted. Thus, bringing down the usefulness of the list. As far as the personal attacks on Joseph whenever he posts a reply that may be less than utterly polite, why? OK, his replies may seem very abrupt, sometimes condescending, and a little less than professional. However, is it professional to go ask your secretary how to execute a simple SQL statement, no because she would be the wrong person to ask and that is fundamentally what the people that are posting off-topic questions are doing, asking the wrong person. So, if you don't like his relies, don't read them, but there is no need to constantly flame him. By the way Joseph, I'd be more than interested in joining a JSP list that focuses more on JSP. Joseph Karau Kingland Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] 507-536-3629 AIM: jkara3629 === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: Joseph Ottinger (Yes, O/T)
Hi folks, I have admiration for Mr. Joseph Ottinger. Every time I read an OT/ultra-dummy question, I simply inveigh (what a difficult english word), I wish to flame 'em all but I never do it -- just because I don't want to *loose* my time... the questions are so stupid that any answer would not take them much forward. But J. Ottinger is better than me: he replies! Then, I think there would be much to discuss about the term "simple question" too. There are - ultra-dummy questions that any search with a search engine (or simply type www.my-very-desired-answer.com) would answer and - on-topic simple questions. The former should be flamed, the latter should be answered. I always asked myself: how is it possible that a person, who is able to _join_ a mailing and _post_ a question, is not able to use a search engine? I have learned to use search engines much before being able to interact with a mailing list... what about them? I read 6 mailing lists -- no other of them has a so basic-dummy-childish level as this JSP-interest. There was a thread about OT questions on the EJB-INTEREST mailing list some day ago -- I laughed about it, the so-called "OT" questions _there_ would be "mega-interesting-on-topic" questions compared to the level of the posts _here_. Happy flaming to all... Andrea V. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: Joseph Ottinger (Yes, O/T)
"Nasser Dassi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Yes, you all SUCk! [snip] > "Openmindedness Rewards A Lifetime" :-) geoff === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: Joseph Ottinger (Yes, O/T)
Rock on Nasser -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nasser Dassi Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Joseph Ottinger (Yes, O/T) I must post. ALL THIS IS OFF TOPIC. Mr. OTTINGER TYPES A LOT. HE NEEDS MORE HOBBIES. Not everyone knows what YOU know. Give people a BREAK!!! What's easy for EINSTEIN is impossibly difficult for a 3rd GRADER! We do NOT all know the SAME STUFF! Hence, we join a discussion list, and SHARE KNOWLEDGE. If you don't like, UNSUBSCRIBE! If you like the idea, REMAIN SUBSCRIBED. Sheez!!! If you want a list, CREATE THE DARN THING! Then, tell the list "i have a list, if you want to join, here's the URL." Yes, you all SUCk! IF ALL THE ENERGY vested into replying were put into DEVELOPING JSP SITES, then maybe we'd have MUCH BETTER WEB SITES, more COMPLETE PROJECTS, smarter, more productive DEVELOPERS, and a better HELP SITE where everyone can find ALL THEIR ANSWERS. SHIT! SHIT! Yours, Nasser Dassi NYU Student Senator Software & Internet Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Openmindedness Rewards A Lifetime" - Original Message - From: "Karau, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: Joseph Ottinger I agree with Joseph as well. There are way to many subscribers to this list asking either off-topic, or "simple" questions. They are, in my opinion, being quite lazy. Those asking off-topic questions should probably try to find the appropriate forum for their questions, they would probably get more responses, and those that they received would also probably be better. Those asking the "simple" questions, the questions themselves may not really be simple, but if they would try to spend time searching for the appropriate reference and answering it themselves they will learn much more than if somebody else just answers the question for them. Mailing lists such as this are an excellent way for programmers to probe the knowledge and experience of other programmers who have experienced similar problems. However, by simply answering all of these off-topic posts, and "simple" questions without at least suggesting that they find the right place to ask them, or spend some time trying to figure it out themselves, will only increase the frequency that such questions are posted. Thus, bringing down the usefulness of the list. As far as the personal attacks on Joseph whenever he posts a reply that may be less than utterly polite, why? OK, his replies may seem very abrupt, sometimes condescending, and a little less than professional. However, is it professional to go ask your secretary how to execute a simple SQL statement, no because she would be the wrong person to ask and that is fundamentally what the people that are posting off-topic questions are doing, asking the wrong person. So, if you don't like his relies, don't read them, but there is no need to constantly flame him. By the way Joseph, I'd be more than interested in joining a JSP list that focuses more on JSP. Joseph Karau Kingland Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] 507-536-3629 AIM: jkara3629 === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: Joseph Ottinger (Yes, O/T)
I must post. ALL THIS IS OFF TOPIC. Mr. OTTINGER TYPES A LOT. HE NEEDS MORE HOBBIES. Not everyone knows what YOU know. Give people a BREAK!!! What's easy for EINSTEIN is impossibly difficult for a 3rd GRADER! We do NOT all know the SAME STUFF! Hence, we join a discussion list, and SHARE KNOWLEDGE. If you don't like, UNSUBSCRIBE! If you like the idea, REMAIN SUBSCRIBED. Sheez!!! If you want a list, CREATE THE DARN THING! Then, tell the list "i have a list, if you want to join, here's the URL." Yes, you all SUCk! IF ALL THE ENERGY vested into replying were put into DEVELOPING JSP SITES, then maybe we'd have MUCH BETTER WEB SITES, more COMPLETE PROJECTS, smarter, more productive DEVELOPERS, and a better HELP SITE where everyone can find ALL THEIR ANSWERS. SHIT! SHIT! Yours, Nasser Dassi NYU Student Senator Software & Internet Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Openmindedness Rewards A Lifetime" - Original Message - From: "Karau, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: Joseph Ottinger I agree with Joseph as well. There are way to many subscribers to this list asking either off-topic, or "simple" questions. They are, in my opinion, being quite lazy. Those asking off-topic questions should probably try to find the appropriate forum for their questions, they would probably get more responses, and those that they received would also probably be better. Those asking the "simple" questions, the questions themselves may not really be simple, but if they would try to spend time searching for the appropriate reference and answering it themselves they will learn much more than if somebody else just answers the question for them. Mailing lists such as this are an excellent way for programmers to probe the knowledge and experience of other programmers who have experienced similar problems. However, by simply answering all of these off-topic posts, and "simple" questions without at least suggesting that they find the right place to ask them, or spend some time trying to figure it out themselves, will only increase the frequency that such questions are posted. Thus, bringing down the usefulness of the list. As far as the personal attacks on Joseph whenever he posts a reply that may be less than utterly polite, why? OK, his replies may seem very abrupt, sometimes condescending, and a little less than professional. However, is it professional to go ask your secretary how to execute a simple SQL statement, no because she would be the wrong person to ask and that is fundamentally what the people that are posting off-topic questions are doing, asking the wrong person. So, if you don't like his relies, don't read them, but there is no need to constantly flame him. By the way Joseph, I'd be more than interested in joining a JSP list that focuses more on JSP. Joseph Karau Kingland Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] 507-536-3629 AIM: jkara3629 === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Joseph Ottinger
I agree with Joseph as well. There are way to many subscribers to this list asking either off-topic, or "simple" questions. They are, in my opinion, being quite lazy. Those asking off-topic questions should probably try to find the appropriate forum for their questions, they would probably get more responses, and those that they received would also probably be better. Those asking the "simple" questions, the questions themselves may not really be simple, but if they would try to spend time searching for the appropriate reference and answering it themselves they will learn much more than if somebody else just answers the question for them. Mailing lists such as this are an excellent way for programmers to probe the knowledge and experience of other programmers who have experienced similar problems. However, by simply answering all of these off-topic posts, and "simple" questions without at least suggesting that they find the right place to ask them, or spend some time trying to figure it out themselves, will only increase the frequency that such questions are posted. Thus, bringing down the usefulness of the list. As far as the personal attacks on Joseph whenever he posts a reply that may be less than utterly polite, why? OK, his replies may seem very abrupt, sometimes condescending, and a little less than professional. However, is it professional to go ask your secretary how to execute a simple SQL statement, no because she would be the wrong person to ask and that is fundamentally what the people that are posting off-topic questions are doing, asking the wrong person. So, if you don't like his relies, don't read them, but there is no need to constantly flame him. By the way Joseph, I'd be more than interested in joining a JSP list that focuses more on JSP. Joseph Karau Kingland Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] 507-536-3629 AIM: jkara3629 === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
