Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
Maksud bro Syaiful baik kok bro :), and jangan lupa kalo udah pake sendok pake juga panci :) buat manggil si sendok and lebih lengkap pake dapur :) On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com wrote: Hey syaiful, lu mesti relax dikit mate. Baca lagi semua posting gw, requirement apa yg aneh? Etl apa ajah yg kalian suggest buat simple tasks? Preferably yg non-xml, tapi anything is ok. Ini requirement yg liberal banget if u ask me. Cuma friendly poll ajah, gak mesti participate kalo gak mau. What's with the hostility sir? Many useful inputs here (kettle, jasperjsp, talend), thanks all buat suggestionnya. Gw lagi check em out n bakal just pick one yg paling gampang buat gw (n team) to get up to speed (can't care less about features :P) Syaiful, gw appreciate 5 replies lu, tapi sorry gw gagal nangkep any value yg lu add to the discussion so far. Tacky sarcasm isn't exactly what i was looking for. 2010/3/8 sm96 syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com mintanya macem-macem dan aneh-aneh.. semakin gak ketemu aja nih pilihannya... bikin aja sendiri. 2010/3/5 Henry Suryawirawan henry@gmail.com mungkin bisa juga cobain JasperETL ato Talend walau gue gak pernah cobain buat requirements yg kompleks spt Pak Feris ;-) ada GUI designer nya juga kok 2010/3/4 Feris Thia feris.mi...@phi-integration.com For this, I think Kettle is very lightweight and will have the jobs done perfectly :) Regards, Feris 2010/3/4 Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com Btw gw gak butuh full stack BI solution, cuma buat beberapa regular lightweight tasks. Task2 semacem.: - process semua rows dari outgoing sms di database ke file, ftp them across ke system laen - process semua nomer telpon yang diactivate sepanjang hari ke standard IPND files buat diprocess for law n regulatory purposes - process transaction data regularly buat diupdate ke reporting tables - archive data harian ke database laen di archive box, yang didenormalise dulu dari table2 yg terkait etc -- syaiful.mukhlis gtalk:syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com gtalk%3asyaiful.mukh...@gmail.com -- Mujoko http://www.linkedin.com/in/mujoko
Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
yah, karena yg lu butuhin sebenarnya udah ketemu. mau cari kemana lagi? hahahaha On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com wrote: Hey syaiful, lu mesti relax dikit mate. Baca lagi semua posting gw, requirement apa yg aneh? Etl apa ajah yg kalian suggest buat simple tasks? Preferably yg non-xml, tapi anything is ok. Ini requirement yg liberal banget if u ask me. Cuma friendly poll ajah, gak mesti participate kalo gak mau. What's with the hostility sir? Many useful inputs here (kettle, jasperjsp, talend), thanks all buat suggestionnya. Gw lagi check em out n bakal just pick one yg paling gampang buat gw (n team) to get up to speed (can't care less about features :P) Syaiful, gw appreciate 5 replies lu, tapi sorry gw gagal nangkep any value yg lu add to the discussion so far. Tacky sarcasm isn't exactly what i was looking for. 2010/3/8 sm96 syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com mintanya macem-macem dan aneh-aneh.. semakin gak ketemu aja nih pilihannya... bikin aja sendiri. 2010/3/5 Henry Suryawirawan henry@gmail.com mungkin bisa juga cobain JasperETL ato Talend walau gue gak pernah cobain buat requirements yg kompleks spt Pak Feris ;-) ada GUI designer nya juga kok 2010/3/4 Feris Thia feris.mi...@phi-integration.com For this, I think Kettle is very lightweight and will have the jobs done perfectly :) Regards, Feris 2010/3/4 Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com Btw gw gak butuh full stack BI solution, cuma buat beberapa regular lightweight tasks. Task2 semacem.: - process semua rows dari outgoing sms di database ke file, ftp them across ke system laen - process semua nomer telpon yang diactivate sepanjang hari ke standard IPND files buat diprocess for law n regulatory purposes - process transaction data regularly buat diupdate ke reporting tables - archive data harian ke database laen di archive box, yang didenormalise dulu dari table2 yg terkait etc -- syaiful.mukhlis gtalk:syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com gtalk%3asyaiful.mukh...@gmail.com -- syaiful.mukhlis gtalk:syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com gtalk%3asyaiful.mukh...@gmail.com
Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
Syaiful, gw appreciate 5 replies lu, tapi sorry gw gagal nangkep any value yg lu add to the discussion so far. Tacky sarcasm isn't exactly what i was looking for. Cannot more agree with this ;). -- http://ifnu.artivisi.com +62 856 9211 8687 regards
Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
mintanya macem-macem dan aneh-aneh.. semakin gak ketemu aja nih pilihannya... bikin aja sendiri. 2010/3/5 Henry Suryawirawan henry@gmail.com mungkin bisa juga cobain JasperETL ato Talend walau gue gak pernah cobain buat requirements yg kompleks spt Pak Feris ;-) ada GUI designer nya juga kok 2010/3/4 Feris Thia feris.mi...@phi-integration.com For this, I think Kettle is very lightweight and will have the jobs done perfectly :) Regards, Feris 2010/3/4 Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com Btw gw gak butuh full stack BI solution, cuma buat beberapa regular lightweight tasks. Task2 semacem.: - process semua rows dari outgoing sms di database ke file, ftp them across ke system laen - process semua nomer telpon yang diactivate sepanjang hari ke standard IPND files buat diprocess for law n regulatory purposes - process transaction data regularly buat diupdate ke reporting tables - archive data harian ke database laen di archive box, yang didenormalise dulu dari table2 yg terkait etc -- syaiful.mukhlis gtalk:syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com gtalk%3asyaiful.mukh...@gmail.com
Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
gw ngikut bung Feris d, Kettle - Spoon :) --- On Mon, 8/3/10, sm96 syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com wrote: From: sm96 syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool To: jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, 8 March, 2010, 10:41 AM mintanya macem-macem dan aneh-aneh.. semakin gak ketemu aja nih pilihannya.. . bikin aja sendiri. 2010/3/5 Henry Suryawirawan henry@gmail. com mungkin bisa juga cobain JasperETL ato Talendwalau gue gak pernah cobain buat requirements yg kompleks spt Pak Feris ;-)ada GUI designer nya juga kok 2010/3/4 Feris Thia feris.milis@ phi-integration. com For this, I think Kettle is very lightweight and will have the jobs done perfectly :) Regards, Feris 2010/3/4 Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail. com Btw gw gak butuh full stack BI solution, cuma buat beberapa regular lightweight tasks. Task2 semacem.: - process semua rows dari outgoing sms di database ke file, ftp them across ke system laen - process semua nomer telpon yang diactivate sepanjang hari ke standard IPND files buat diprocess for law n regulatory purposes - process transaction data regularly buat diupdate ke reporting tables - archive data harian ke database laen di archive box, yang didenormalise dulu dari table2 yg terkait etc -- syaiful.mukhlis gtalk:syaiful. mukh...@gmail. com New Email names for you! Get the Email name you#39;ve always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/aa/
Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
Hey syaiful, lu mesti relax dikit mate. Baca lagi semua posting gw, requirement apa yg aneh? Etl apa ajah yg kalian suggest buat simple tasks? Preferably yg non-xml, tapi anything is ok. Ini requirement yg liberal banget if u ask me. Cuma friendly poll ajah, gak mesti participate kalo gak mau. What's with the hostility sir? Many useful inputs here (kettle, jasperjsp, talend), thanks all buat suggestionnya. Gw lagi check em out n bakal just pick one yg paling gampang buat gw (n team) to get up to speed (can't care less about features :P) Syaiful, gw appreciate 5 replies lu, tapi sorry gw gagal nangkep any value yg lu add to the discussion so far. Tacky sarcasm isn't exactly what i was looking for. 2010/3/8 sm96 syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com mintanya macem-macem dan aneh-aneh.. semakin gak ketemu aja nih pilihannya... bikin aja sendiri. 2010/3/5 Henry Suryawirawan henry@gmail.com mungkin bisa juga cobain JasperETL ato Talend walau gue gak pernah cobain buat requirements yg kompleks spt Pak Feris ;-) ada GUI designer nya juga kok 2010/3/4 Feris Thia feris.mi...@phi-integration.com For this, I think Kettle is very lightweight and will have the jobs done perfectly :) Regards, Feris 2010/3/4 Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com Btw gw gak butuh full stack BI solution, cuma buat beberapa regular lightweight tasks. Task2 semacem.: - process semua rows dari outgoing sms di database ke file, ftp them across ke system laen - process semua nomer telpon yang diactivate sepanjang hari ke standard IPND files buat diprocess for law n regulatory purposes - process transaction data regularly buat diupdate ke reporting tables - archive data harian ke database laen di archive box, yang didenormalise dulu dari table2 yg terkait etc -- syaiful.mukhlis gtalk:syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com gtalk%3asyaiful.mukh...@gmail.com
Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
Hmm ok.. kalimat gw misleading. It should read: gw gak familiar sama options yg ada di java, karna itu gw survey kemari buat nyari tau tool yg mainstream di kalangan jugger, instead of nyari2 sendiri di google n end up dengan random tool yg nyeleneh n gak ada yg pake. Dan lightweight as in gw gak perlu tool yg overkill karna cuma buat simple tasks ajah. Mainly karna susah for a team to justify masukin another weapons grade toolset buat ke dalem project cuma buat ngetackle trivial tasks. And thanks anyway buat suggestionnya pake kettle. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Feris Thia feris.mi...@phi-integration.com wrote: Lightweight = 2KB, 10MB, 20MB in package size ? Non Java ? Mainstream ? Atau non XML ? Requirementnya keren juga ya. how about creating your own ETL ? Or using Unix batch script ? Or Windows Power Shell ? Comes out of the box with the OS :) Regards, Feris 2010/3/4 Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com Not sure kalo kettle is lightweight enough buat dipake tanpa bring along the whole pentaho stack. Kinda keen buat tau option laen yg ngetop di kalangan Jugger. Gw gak familiar sama stacks di java... n gw gak mo pake random tool yg gw ketemu di google n pake non-mainstream tool yg gak ada orang laen yg pake.
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mungkin bisa juga cobain JasperETL ato Talend walau gue gak pernah cobain buat requirements yg kompleks spt Pak Feris ;-) ada GUI designer nya juga kok 2010/3/4 Feris Thia feris.mi...@phi-integration.com For this, I think Kettle is very lightweight and will have the jobs done perfectly :) Regards, Feris 2010/3/4 Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com Btw gw gak butuh full stack BI solution, cuma buat beberapa regular lightweight tasks. Task2 semacem.: - process semua rows dari outgoing sms di database ke file, ftp them across ke system laen - process semua nomer telpon yang diactivate sepanjang hari ke standard IPND files buat diprocess for law n regulatory purposes - process transaction data regularly buat diupdate ke reporting tables - archive data harian ke database laen di archive box, yang didenormalise dulu dari table2 yg terkait etc
Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
I think lu got it all wrong... :P I said gw benci SSIS so much, n at no point would I consider ssis enak dipake, dan to be honest, i dont give a shit about its graphical tool ;) Dan gw sekarang lagi nyari etl tool buat java platform, bukan ms. Xml.., well, kayak di original question, gw *prefer* kalo ada yg non-xml (e.g. python) tapi gak ketemu so far, makanya gw nanya kemari, karna gw assumed non-xml was default preference buat most people. Well, kalo emang cuma xml yg available, tool apa yg kalian prefer so far? From the tone of ur post, gw assume lu suggest kettle. Btw gw gak butuh full stack BI solution, cuma buat beberapa regular lightweight tasks. Task2 semacem.: - process semua rows dari outgoing sms di database ke file, ftp them across ke system laen - process semua nomer telpon yang diactivate sepanjang hari ke standard IPND files buat diprocess for law n regulatory purposes - process transaction data regularly buat diupdate ke reporting tables - archive data harian ke database laen di archive box, yang didenormalise dulu dari table2 yg terkait etc Not sure kalo kettle is lightweight enough buat dipake tanpa bring along the whole pentaho stack. Kinda keen buat tau option laen yg ngetop di kalangan Jugger. Gw gak familiar sama stacks di java... n gw gak mo pake random tool yg gw ketemu di google n pake non-mainstream tool yg gak ada orang laen yg pake. 2010/3/3 sm96 syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com kalo gak mau ada xml, jangan pernah pake kettle atawa pentaho data integration. padahal performa kettle sendiri untuk transformasi yg lumayan kompleks lumayan bagus, even dia pake xml. apalagi kalo maunya pake tools m$ punya, SSIS, graphical toolnya bagus, dan enak banget dipakenya, tapi jangan lupa, dia ini bagus-bagus juga tetep pake xml, dan performanya juga bagus. jangan pake barang ginian juga, karena dia masih pake xml. bagaimana yg lain? ternyata masih pake xml. aku sedang ngelirik spring batch mungkin bisa diadaptasi untuk etl tools. kalo saran saya, jangan pake spring batch juga, seperti kita tahu, spring batch sendiri configure masih pake xml. jadi yah, jangan pake spring batch juga, karena dia pake xml. ... On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com wrote: Well, bukan requirement sih, tapi which one yg provide the most pleasing experience in term of nulis ETL scriptnya. It's quite unbelievable bahwa mereka semua milih pake XML, considering XML is possibly the worst way ever buat ngescript ETL logics (loop, condition, etc), dibanding misalnya pake python script ato java code. Ok, given the limitation of xml, dari sekian banyak etl tools yg available, so far yang mana yg kalian biasa pake, yg ringkas n gampang buat dipake n dimanage? In short, yg mana yg kalian suggest? Well OOT regarding sentimen gw against xml yg mungkin perlu gw clarify... In general gw prefer tool/framework stack yg minim xml-config karna xml is a big mess to work with. Misalnya ant/maven, terlalu banyak noise-per-signal dibanding rake/bake script yg jauh lebih ringkas n manageable. Ato IoC config, ringkas pake binsor ato fluent-interface yg cuma butuh few lines dibanding berlembar2 xml config di spring. JSTL n velocity juga bikin gatel dibanding templating engine laen kayak plain jsp ato brail. Dan finally, ETL, pas di .net gw ada HORRENDOUS experience dengan SSIS! Yang setelah itu hidup gw jauh lebih indah dengan Rhino-ETL yang pake phyton-like script. Dan kalo gw mesti pick 3 areas dimana xml mesti dijadiin crime adalah: rule-engine, build-tool, dan ETL... karna naturenya yang lebih cocok ditulis sebagai script daripada sebagai xml structure. Xml-config cuma ok pas mulai2, terus selalu degrade jadi unmanageable mess kalo dah mulai grow dengan berbagai deep conditional logic dan iterations :( The world would be a much wonderful place without nuclear weapon and xml config. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:39 PM, sm96 syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com wrote: kalo requirementnya seperti itu, berarti tidak ada. sementara etl tools ada banyak sekali. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, ada yang bisa suggest ETL tool di java? Preferably yang gak involve XML (I hate XMLs). Gw baru checked out scriptella, tapi pake xml dimana2 like we were in 1990s. ETL apa yg u would suggest? Ta -- syaiful.mukhlis gtalk:syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com gtalk%3asyaiful.mukh...@gmail.com -- syaiful.mukhlis gtalk:syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com gtalk%3asyaiful.mukh...@gmail.com
Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
Lightweight = 2KB, 10MB, 20MB in package size ? Non Java ? Mainstream ? Atau non XML ? Requirementnya keren juga ya. how about creating your own ETL ? Or using Unix batch script ? Or Windows Power Shell ? Comes out of the box with the OS :) Regards, Feris 2010/3/4 Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com Not sure kalo kettle is lightweight enough buat dipake tanpa bring along the whole pentaho stack. Kinda keen buat tau option laen yg ngetop di kalangan Jugger. Gw gak familiar sama stacks di java... n gw gak mo pake random tool yg gw ketemu di google n pake non-mainstream tool yg gak ada orang laen yg pake.
Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
For this, I think Kettle is very lightweight and will have the jobs done perfectly :) Regards, Feris 2010/3/4 Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com Btw gw gak butuh full stack BI solution, cuma buat beberapa regular lightweight tasks. Task2 semacem.: - process semua rows dari outgoing sms di database ke file, ftp them across ke system laen - process semua nomer telpon yang diactivate sepanjang hari ke standard IPND files buat diprocess for law n regulatory purposes - process transaction data regularly buat diupdate ke reporting tables - archive data harian ke database laen di archive box, yang didenormalise dulu dari table2 yg terkait etc
Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
kalo gak mau ada xml, jangan pernah pake kettle atawa pentaho data integration. padahal performa kettle sendiri untuk transformasi yg lumayan kompleks lumayan bagus, even dia pake xml. apalagi kalo maunya pake tools m$ punya, SSIS, graphical toolnya bagus, dan enak banget dipakenya, tapi jangan lupa, dia ini bagus-bagus juga tetep pake xml, dan performanya juga bagus. jangan pake barang ginian juga, karena dia masih pake xml. bagaimana yg lain? ternyata masih pake xml. aku sedang ngelirik spring batch mungkin bisa diadaptasi untuk etl tools. kalo saran saya, jangan pake spring batch juga, seperti kita tahu, spring batch sendiri configure masih pake xml. jadi yah, jangan pake spring batch juga, karena dia pake xml. ... On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com wrote: Well, bukan requirement sih, tapi which one yg provide the most pleasing experience in term of nulis ETL scriptnya. It's quite unbelievable bahwa mereka semua milih pake XML, considering XML is possibly the worst way ever buat ngescript ETL logics (loop, condition, etc), dibanding misalnya pake python script ato java code. Ok, given the limitation of xml, dari sekian banyak etl tools yg available, so far yang mana yg kalian biasa pake, yg ringkas n gampang buat dipake n dimanage? In short, yg mana yg kalian suggest? Well OOT regarding sentimen gw against xml yg mungkin perlu gw clarify... In general gw prefer tool/framework stack yg minim xml-config karna xml is a big mess to work with. Misalnya ant/maven, terlalu banyak noise-per-signal dibanding rake/bake script yg jauh lebih ringkas n manageable. Ato IoC config, ringkas pake binsor ato fluent-interface yg cuma butuh few lines dibanding berlembar2 xml config di spring. JSTL n velocity juga bikin gatel dibanding templating engine laen kayak plain jsp ato brail. Dan finally, ETL, pas di .net gw ada HORRENDOUS experience dengan SSIS! Yang setelah itu hidup gw jauh lebih indah dengan Rhino-ETL yang pake phyton-like script. Dan kalo gw mesti pick 3 areas dimana xml mesti dijadiin crime adalah: rule-engine, build-tool, dan ETL... karna naturenya yang lebih cocok ditulis sebagai script daripada sebagai xml structure. Xml-config cuma ok pas mulai2, terus selalu degrade jadi unmanageable mess kalo dah mulai grow dengan berbagai deep conditional logic dan iterations :( The world would be a much wonderful place without nuclear weapon and xml config. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:39 PM, sm96 syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com wrote: kalo requirementnya seperti itu, berarti tidak ada. sementara etl tools ada banyak sekali. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, ada yang bisa suggest ETL tool di java? Preferably yang gak involve XML (I hate XMLs). Gw baru checked out scriptella, tapi pake xml dimana2 like we were in 1990s. ETL apa yg u would suggest? Ta -- syaiful.mukhlis gtalk:syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com gtalk%3asyaiful.mukh...@gmail.com -- syaiful.mukhlis gtalk:syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com gtalk%3asyaiful.mukh...@gmail.com
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Yup... setuju, Jangan pake Kettle deh... karena dengan Kettle kita bisa : 1. Belajar I/O dengan sangat baik, bagaimana mengelola / meng-scale dari mulai Harddisk I/O, RDBMS engine tuning, memory tuning, dll. Load balancing antara semua aspect tersebut lah :) 2. Menghasilkan throughput 24.000-an record/ second dari transformasi dan kejadian locking yang sudah sangat kompleks dengan memanfaatkan penuh kemampuan driver. Yap, Anda tidak salah dengar !!! Driver sangat berpengaruh !! Bahkan sampai 8-folds ! 3. Bisa generate nested ETL script, dan demikian mampu menghasilkan transformasi yang sangat sulit dilakukan dengan hanya design by the book / standard. 4. Membantu melakukan simple forensik data dengan cepat karena banyaknya steps yang included Regards, Feris 2010/3/3 sm96 syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com kalo gak mau ada xml, jangan pernah pake kettle atawa pentaho data integration. padahal performa kettle sendiri untuk transformasi yg lumayan kompleks lumayan bagus, even dia pake xml.
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Aah, graphical tool.. Will check that out thanks. Kadang kalo terlalu banyak choice (di google) jadi bingung milih. So just wanted buat nyari tau, de-facto conventionnya most jugger pada prefer pake yg mana berdasarkan past experience. Cheers 2010/3/1 Feris Thia feris.mi...@phi-integration.com Yup. Hanya Kettle jg berbasis XML jadi ga masuk hitungan kali. hehehe Bingung juga kok ada req seperti itu ya? Di PHI kita bisa memecahkan masalah ETL yang sangat sulit dengan cara ETL generate ETL dan kemudian dieksekusi on the fly :) Regards, Feris On 3/1/10, Ifnu bima ifnub...@gmail.com ifnubima%40gmail.com wrote: Guys, ada yang bisa suggest ETL tool di java? Preferably yang gak involve XML (I hate XMLs). Gw baru checked out scriptella, tapi pake xml dimana2 like we were in 1990s. ETL apa yg u would suggest? Kettle, bagian dari pentahoo, ;) http://pentaho.phi-integration.com/kettle -- http://ifnu.artivisi.com +62 856 9211 8687 regards
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Well, bukan requirement sih, tapi which one yg provide the most pleasing experience in term of nulis ETL scriptnya. It's quite unbelievable bahwa mereka semua milih pake XML, considering XML is possibly the worst way ever buat ngescript ETL logics (loop, condition, etc), dibanding misalnya pake python script ato java code. Ok, given the limitation of xml, dari sekian banyak etl tools yg available, so far yang mana yg kalian biasa pake, yg ringkas n gampang buat dipake n dimanage? In short, yg mana yg kalian suggest? Well OOT regarding sentimen gw against xml yg mungkin perlu gw clarify... In general gw prefer tool/framework stack yg minim xml-config karna xml is a big mess to work with. Misalnya ant/maven, terlalu banyak noise-per-signal dibanding rake/bake script yg jauh lebih ringkas n manageable. Ato IoC config, ringkas pake binsor ato fluent-interface yg cuma butuh few lines dibanding berlembar2 xml config di spring. JSTL n velocity juga bikin gatel dibanding templating engine laen kayak plain jsp ato brail. Dan finally, ETL, pas di .net gw ada HORRENDOUS experience dengan SSIS! Yang setelah itu hidup gw jauh lebih indah dengan Rhino-ETL yang pake phyton-like script. Dan kalo gw mesti pick 3 areas dimana xml mesti dijadiin crime adalah: rule-engine, build-tool, dan ETL... karna naturenya yang lebih cocok ditulis sebagai script daripada sebagai xml structure. Xml-config cuma ok pas mulai2, terus selalu degrade jadi unmanageable mess kalo dah mulai grow dengan berbagai deep conditional logic dan iterations :( The world would be a much wonderful place without nuclear weapon and xml config. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:39 PM, sm96 syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com wrote: kalo requirementnya seperti itu, berarti tidak ada. sementara etl tools ada banyak sekali. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, ada yang bisa suggest ETL tool di java? Preferably yang gak involve XML (I hate XMLs). Gw baru checked out scriptella, tapi pake xml dimana2 like we were in 1990s. ETL apa yg u would suggest? Ta -- syaiful.mukhlis gtalk:syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com gtalk%3asyaiful.mukh...@gmail.com
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pake kettle, biarpun pake xml, tapi gak pernah sentuh sama sekali itu xml files. why bother with xml? 2010/3/1 Feris Thia feris.mi...@phi-integration.com Yup. Hanya Kettle jg berbasis XML jadi ga masuk hitungan kali. hehehe Bingung juga kok ada req seperti itu ya? Di PHI kita bisa memecahkan masalah ETL yang sangat sulit dengan cara ETL generate ETL dan kemudian dieksekusi on the fly :) Regards, Feris On 3/1/10, Ifnu bima ifnub...@gmail.com ifnubima%40gmail.com wrote: Guys, ada yang bisa suggest ETL tool di java? Preferably yang gak involve XML (I hate XMLs). Gw baru checked out scriptella, tapi pake xml dimana2 like we were in 1990s. ETL apa yg u would suggest? Kettle, bagian dari pentahoo, ;) http://pentaho.phi-integration.com/kettle -- http://ifnu.artivisi.com +62 856 9211 8687 regards -- syaiful.mukhlis gtalk:syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com gtalk%3asyaiful.mukh...@gmail.com
Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
ini masalah pribadi, gak ada hubungannya dengan teknologi. silahkan aja, suka-suka masing-masing pribadi anda-anda semua. hehehe 2010/3/1 dir dir sikerasa...@gmail.com Boleh tanya mengapa anda benci XML dalam kaitan nya dengan ETL? apa problem yang anda hadapi sampai anda tidak menyukainya? Dir On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, ada yang bisa suggest ETL tool di java? Preferably yang gak involve XML (I hate XMLs). Gw baru checked out scriptella, tapi pake xml dimana2 like we were in 1990s. ETL apa yg u would suggest? Ta -- syaiful.mukhlis gtalk:syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com gtalk%3asyaiful.mukh...@gmail.com
Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
Yup. Hanya Kettle jg berbasis XML jadi ga masuk hitungan kali. hehehe Bingung juga kok ada req seperti itu ya? Di PHI kita bisa memecahkan masalah ETL yang sangat sulit dengan cara ETL generate ETL dan kemudian dieksekusi on the fly :) Regards, Feris On 3/1/10, Ifnu bima ifnub...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, ada yang bisa suggest ETL tool di java? Preferably yang gak involve XML (I hate XMLs). Gw baru checked out scriptella, tapi pake xml dimana2 like we were in 1990s. ETL apa yg u would suggest? Kettle, bagian dari pentahoo, ;) http://pentaho.phi-integration.com/kettle -- http://ifnu.artivisi.com +62 856 9211 8687 regards
[JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
Guys, ada yang bisa suggest ETL tool di java? Preferably yang gak involve XML (I hate XMLs). Gw baru checked out scriptella, tapi pake xml dimana2 like we were in 1990s. ETL apa yg u would suggest? Ta
Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
Guys, ada yang bisa suggest ETL tool di java? Preferably yang gak involve XML (I hate XMLs). Gw baru checked out scriptella, tapi pake xml dimana2 like we were in 1990s. ETL apa yg u would suggest? Kettle, bagian dari pentahoo, ;) http://pentaho.phi-integration.com/kettle -- http://ifnu.artivisi.com +62 856 9211 8687 regards
Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
Boleh tanya mengapa anda benci XML dalam kaitan nya dengan ETL? apa problem yang anda hadapi sampai anda tidak menyukainya? Dir On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, ada yang bisa suggest ETL tool di java? Preferably yang gak involve XML (I hate XMLs). Gw baru checked out scriptella, tapi pake xml dimana2 like we were in 1990s. ETL apa yg u would suggest? Ta
Re: [JUG-Indonesia] ETL Tool
kalo requirementnya seperti itu, berarti tidak ada. sementara etl tools ada banyak sekali. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Hendry Luk hendrym...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, ada yang bisa suggest ETL tool di java? Preferably yang gak involve XML (I hate XMLs). Gw baru checked out scriptella, tapi pake xml dimana2 like we were in 1990s. ETL apa yg u would suggest? Ta -- syaiful.mukhlis gtalk:syaiful.mukh...@gmail.com gtalk%3asyaiful.mukh...@gmail.com
