[julia-users] Re: Julia for Enterprise?
Thank you Viral, Keno, Tobias, and Imanuel. This has been helpful. Here are my thoughts: - It is too early to introduce Julia into my conservative client's corporate environments at the moment. We'll continue with Matlab with an eye toward transitioning to Julia in the coming years. - It is not too early to build Julia into my own cloud-based environment.
[julia-users] Re: Julia for Enterprise?
Totally agree with Tobias. Personally, I wouldn't recommend using Julia in my corporate environment...its too bleeding edge at the moment...but I'm loving the features esp. less dev time without significant performance hit to other languages like C(++). I'd say 1.0 might be where its becomes self-recommending... On Thursday, 1 January 2015 20:04:11 UTC+11, Tobias Knopp wrote: Eric (and Keno), My statement that Julia is from and for researchers has been made in a certain context where I wanted to explain why Julia has a different development model than a programming language that is development within Google. My personal opinion is that Julia is a great general purpose language that will be very interesting beyond researchers. I have worked in companies and believe that Julia has a great potential for - reducing development time - generating maintainable code Because I believe in this I have worked on embedding Julia in C/C++ which also could be an option for your business (see the embedding chapter in the docs). A better statement might be Julia is currently developed by many researcher and used by many researcher but is absolutely not limited to research Cheers, Tobi Am Donnerstag, 1. Januar 2015 07:13:24 UTC+1 schrieb Eric Forgy: Hi everyone, Happy New Year! I briefly introduced myself and what I'm trying to do here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/julia-users/Forgy/julia-users/umHiBwVLQ4g/P6DoT7qGrB8J . I saw that Stefan gave a nice answer to the question Is Julia ready for production use? https://www.quora.com/Is-Julia-ready-for-production-use over on Quora. However, being ready for production is one thing and being ready for use in an enterprise application for large conservative financial institutions that undergo audits by regulators, etc., might be another. A comment in this group was made yesterday,Julia is from and for researchers. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/julia-users/GyH8nhExY9I/_mLCNVFOcKMJ I notice there are quite a number of researchers developing Julia, but naturally there is a much smaller team of core developers that seem to work very well together. If this small team disintegrated for some reason, e.g. find jobs, etc., I'm not sure Julia would have the escape velocity to develop into a mature enough language for the kind of applications I have in mind. I am bootstrapping a startup so I need to be careful how I allocate my time and resources. I don't mind being a little cutting edge, but I would have to consider the likelihood that Julia reaches at least a first version 1.0. So can I ask for some honest advice? With the obvious caveats understood, how far away is a 1.0? How long can the core team continue its dedication to the development of Julia? Will Julia remain from and for researchers indefinitely? Can you envision Julia being used in large enterprise financial applications? Thank you for any words of wisdom. Best regards, Eric
[julia-users] Re: Julia for Enterprise?
Furthermore it is sometimes hard to define what research is. Some people would say that Cxx.jl is a great engineering effort. I would say it is research as you (Keno) are doing things that are radically new and I doubt that any C++ would have though that this is possible (at least me not). Cheers, Tobi Am Donnerstag, 1. Januar 2015 10:04:11 UTC+1 schrieb Tobias Knopp: Eric (and Keno), My statement that Julia is from and for researchers has been made in a certain context where I wanted to explain why Julia has a different development model than a programming language that is development within Google. My personal opinion is that Julia is a great general purpose language that will be very interesting beyond researchers. I have worked in companies and believe that Julia has a great potential for - reducing development time - generating maintainable code Because I believe in this I have worked on embedding Julia in C/C++ which also could be an option for your business (see the embedding chapter in the docs). A better statement might be Julia is currently developed by many researcher and used by many researcher but is absolutely not limited to research Cheers, Tobi Am Donnerstag, 1. Januar 2015 07:13:24 UTC+1 schrieb Eric Forgy: Hi everyone, Happy New Year! I briefly introduced myself and what I'm trying to do here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/julia-users/Forgy/julia-users/umHiBwVLQ4g/P6DoT7qGrB8J . I saw that Stefan gave a nice answer to the question Is Julia ready for production use? https://www.quora.com/Is-Julia-ready-for-production-use over on Quora. However, being ready for production is one thing and being ready for use in an enterprise application for large conservative financial institutions that undergo audits by regulators, etc., might be another. A comment in this group was made yesterday,Julia is from and for researchers. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/julia-users/GyH8nhExY9I/_mLCNVFOcKMJ I notice there are quite a number of researchers developing Julia, but naturally there is a much smaller team of core developers that seem to work very well together. If this small team disintegrated for some reason, e.g. find jobs, etc., I'm not sure Julia would have the escape velocity to develop into a mature enough language for the kind of applications I have in mind. I am bootstrapping a startup so I need to be careful how I allocate my time and resources. I don't mind being a little cutting edge, but I would have to consider the likelihood that Julia reaches at least a first version 1.0. So can I ask for some honest advice? With the obvious caveats understood, how far away is a 1.0? How long can the core team continue its dedication to the development of Julia? Will Julia remain from and for researchers indefinitely? Can you envision Julia being used in large enterprise financial applications? Thank you for any words of wisdom. Best regards, Eric
[julia-users] Re: Julia for Enterprise?
What Stefan said in his Quora post largely still holds, except that 0.3.4 is the latest version to use now. :-) Production means different things for different people. I personally feel it is almost as good as environments like Matlab/Octave/Python+Numpy+SciPy for scientific usage. For users of R, comparable capabilities in Julia are still some ways away. If production means powering a website, where certain mathematical parts are done in Julia, and communicate over ZeroMQ with something else - the current state of affairs is good enough to take the plunge. See for example, a talk on a similar matter by Avik Sengupta in JuliaCon 2014, where he talks about using Julia in Production, or Michael's talk. Avik - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ8-_Q67-2U Michael - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV39IkeMCSY If you are talking about a large financial enterprise application, with regulation, audits, etc., then one has to tread more carefully. We expect to reach 1.0 in early 2016 - maybe another couple of releases away. That said, I know of one use case where someone is pushing the use of julia, but one has to be willing to invest the time to stay on top of things. I personally would not venture in such an area without a support contract with someone who is willing to cover the various risks. This is not the first time such a question has come up. In fact, this is exactly why we formed Julia Computing LLC (sorry - no website yet), to meet this demand from julia users. In an earlier life, Alan, Jeff, and I were part of the team that built Star-P - a parallel Matlab compiler and runtime - and it took the transition from academia to a company to make it bullet proof, with the kind of testing, documentation and organization structure that would be needed to support commercial usage. While Star-P was not open source, Julia is and will continue to be open source. But, I believe that a company that works with customers using Julia in their businesses will be able to make investments towards making it ready for the enterprise. -viral On Thursday, January 1, 2015 11:43:24 AM UTC+5:30, Eric Forgy wrote: Hi everyone, Happy New Year! I briefly introduced myself and what I'm trying to do here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/julia-users/Forgy/julia-users/umHiBwVLQ4g/P6DoT7qGrB8J . I saw that Stefan gave a nice answer to the question Is Julia ready for production use? https://www.quora.com/Is-Julia-ready-for-production-use over on Quora. However, being ready for production is one thing and being ready for use in an enterprise application for large conservative financial institutions that undergo audits by regulators, etc., might be another. A comment in this group was made yesterday,Julia is from and for researchers. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/julia-users/GyH8nhExY9I/_mLCNVFOcKMJ I notice there are quite a number of researchers developing Julia, but naturally there is a much smaller team of core developers that seem to work very well together. If this small team disintegrated for some reason, e.g. find jobs, etc., I'm not sure Julia would have the escape velocity to develop into a mature enough language for the kind of applications I have in mind. I am bootstrapping a startup so I need to be careful how I allocate my time and resources. I don't mind being a little cutting edge, but I would have to consider the likelihood that Julia reaches at least a first version 1.0. So can I ask for some honest advice? With the obvious caveats understood, how far away is a 1.0? How long can the core team continue its dedication to the development of Julia? Will Julia remain from and for researchers indefinitely? Can you envision Julia being used in large enterprise financial applications? Thank you for any words of wisdom. Best regards, Eric
[julia-users] Re: Julia for Enterprise?
Eric (and Keno), My statement that Julia is from and for researchers has been made in a certain context where I wanted to explain why Julia has a different development model than a programming language that is development within Google. My personal opinion is that Julia is a great general purpose language that will be very interesting beyond researchers. I have worked in companies and believe that Julia has a great potential for - reducing development time - generating maintainable code Because I believe in this I have worked on embedding Julia in C/C++ which also could be an option for your business (see the embedding chapter in the docs). A better statement might be Julia is currently developed by many researcher and used by many researcher but is absolutely not limited to research Cheers, Tobi Am Donnerstag, 1. Januar 2015 07:13:24 UTC+1 schrieb Eric Forgy: Hi everyone, Happy New Year! I briefly introduced myself and what I'm trying to do here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/julia-users/Forgy/julia-users/umHiBwVLQ4g/P6DoT7qGrB8J . I saw that Stefan gave a nice answer to the question Is Julia ready for production use? https://www.quora.com/Is-Julia-ready-for-production-use over on Quora. However, being ready for production is one thing and being ready for use in an enterprise application for large conservative financial institutions that undergo audits by regulators, etc., might be another. A comment in this group was made yesterday,Julia is from and for researchers. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/julia-users/GyH8nhExY9I/_mLCNVFOcKMJ I notice there are quite a number of researchers developing Julia, but naturally there is a much smaller team of core developers that seem to work very well together. If this small team disintegrated for some reason, e.g. find jobs, etc., I'm not sure Julia would have the escape velocity to develop into a mature enough language for the kind of applications I have in mind. I am bootstrapping a startup so I need to be careful how I allocate my time and resources. I don't mind being a little cutting edge, but I would have to consider the likelihood that Julia reaches at least a first version 1.0. So can I ask for some honest advice? With the obvious caveats understood, how far away is a 1.0? How long can the core team continue its dedication to the development of Julia? Will Julia remain from and for researchers indefinitely? Can you envision Julia being used in large enterprise financial applications? Thank you for any words of wisdom. Best regards, Eric
