Re: [JPP-Devel] Zip, delete items and menus discussions

[Uwe Dalluege]

Hi Giuseppe,

thank you for your very interesting suggestions.

In the past we could change the manuals *after* the official
release was provided because the nightbuild could change every day.
I agree that we need a deadline not to change menues or functionality
to have time for changing the manuals too.

But I think we should fix bugs in the official version too and not only 
in the nightbuilds.
If there is a bug in the official version and it its fixed why
can we not update the official version (with a new build-number)?
So the official version would be always bug-free.

New features should be for a new release in the nightbuild.

What do you think?

Regards

Uwe


Am 23.01.2012 18:41, schrieb Giuseppe Aruta:
> Hi all,
> I am very busy in these days with my job so excuse me if I do a
> cumulative answer.
>
> I think we should leave all things as they are for OJ 1..5.1 without
> modifying anything.
> But we can leave a general common discussion and open a page for an
> up-to-come version of OJ (1.6? 2?) where we can define all the radical
> and non radical modifications of menus and plugins.
>
> The points.
>
> 1) As Uwe pointed it's hard to modify manuals if we have a software that
> is modified every version (modified in a better way, I say). That's why
> I gave up on upgrading the on-line manual/list of tool.
> On the other hand OpenJUMP evolves and we need to change. It is probably
> time to migrate to ELML/docbook or similar that make things more easy
> and fast to do.
>
> 2) To come close to academic needs, we can define a specific official
> version of OpenJUMP not only when all modifications are approved by the
> community but also when a basic manual, at least for Uwe's lessons, is
> prepared. Better if before September (the beginning of academic lessons,
> I believe). For instance:
> - we can freeze to add plugins or make modifications in February 2013
> for the official realize (1.6)
> - on this time we modify the manual for 1.6
> - the official realize can happen between August and September
> - of coarse only corrections of bugs will be allowed between February
> and September.
> On the same hand a the programming process goes on a 1.7 NB (to come on
> 2014 or 2015). The only problem will be that people who correct bugs
> between Feb and Sept hve to make corrections on both lineages (1.6
> up-to-come-official and 1.7 NB)
>
> Now the other points, possibly under point 2, if approved.
>
> 3) I think that the zip discussion can be included into Larry Baker's
> proposal to add to OJ SkyJUMP tool that saves also the project file into
> the zip folder.
>
> 4) I don't use a lot delete all layer items tool. When I was studying OJ
> and made may Frankenstein OpenJUMP Jufre I also realized the rescue to
> have this tool close to other like toggle visibility. I would vote to
> hide it
>
> 5) I think we should improve menu descriptions, using icons but also
> changing names. I worked more with Kosmo SAIG and I found it very easy
> to use and very flexible, also because everything is well described and
> easy to understand, even for newbies in GIS. As Stefan pointed out,
> being so far away from OJ community, probably helped to see things in a
> different way. Let us leave open the discussion.
>
> 6) +1 to group Buffer tools under a submenu.
>
> regards and excuse me for a long mail
>
> Giuseppe Aruta (ex-academic)
>
>
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Re: [JPP-Devel] OpenJUMP 1.5.1 documentation

[Michaël Michaud]

Hi
> Hi Michael,
>
>   >  I have to see ELML. Do you know the system they use at osgeo for i18n
> ? Michaël
>
> no, for the wiki? or which?
Here is a brief listing of technologies which could help for writing 
documentation
Not exhaustive, not tested (except docbook, a long time ago), just worth 
a look
before moving to something new.

Any experience ?

Formats :
- reStructuredText (text)
- AsciiDoc (text)
- docbook (xml)
- dita (xml)
- elml (xml)
- odf (xml)

Tools
- docutils (python), sphinx (python) : rst -> html, pdf (via latex)
- docbook tools (xslt) docbook -> html, pdf, javahelp...
- xmlmind (java) docbook, dita -> html, pdf... (personal edition has 
limited features)
- elml : elml -> html, pdf, docbook, odf...
- libreoffice

Translation
- omegaT ?

Michaël


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Re: [JPP-Devel] release 1.5.1

[edgar . soldin]

i'll be busy this weekend but a release by the beginning of next week should be 
fine.

..ede

On 23.01.2012 20:18, Michaël Michaud wrote:
> Hi,
>> do you have an idea on when we can freeze? the installer is as good as it 
>> gets for now and the releases look fine from my point of view.
> I think we must freeze everything but fixes relative to installation 
> process or language files.
> I still have some remarks on windows batch (see my next mail), and I'm 
> waiting for a
> complement for czech language file.
> If you have more time the week-end, as I do, we can decide to release on 
> sunday.
> In the meanwhile, I think we should test as much as possible and commit 
> carefully.
> 
> Does it fit your schedule ?
> 
> Michaël
>>
>> ..ede
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Re: [JPP-Devel] new installer prototype, call for testers

[edgar . soldin]

On 23.01.2012 21:22, Michaël Michaud wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Are jar and exe both for installation ?

yes, exe is just a wrapped jar. like a bird feeds it's young predigested food 
;) you usually offer exe installers to windows folks.

..ede

> 
> I would insist on the CORE distribution, but similar distribution for 
> CORE and PLUS seems fair to me :-)
> 
> Michaël
> 
> Le 23/01/2012 15:08, edgar.sol...@web.de a écrit :
>> as it is an automated process now and the new installer is a cross platform 
>> comfort feature i still vote to have it available for both editions.
>>
>> ..ede
>>
>> On 22.01.2012 19:55, Stefan Steiniger wrote:
>>> I agree with Peppe:
>>>
>>> jar, zip, exe for PLUS
>>> zip for CORE
>>> --
>>> = 4
>>>
>>> stefan
>>>
>>> Am 20.01.12 08:38, schrieb Giuseppe Aruta:



 i guess we should promote the installers once they are released. i
 intend to create

 Install_OJ*.jar (all platforms)
 Install_OJ*.exe (windows)

 and we'll still have

 OJ*.zip (all platform zip)

 taking into account that we will have two editions this will amount to 6
 files.

 ..ede
 

 I think we can reduce to 4:
 PLUS (*.jar, *.zip and *.exe) and CORE (.zip),
 if *jar works with Windows, even 3 (Plus.jar, plus.zip and core.zip)

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Re: [JPP-Devel] super zoom pan tool in 1.5.1?

[Matthias Scholz]

Hi!
> Hi,
>   
>> Thanks Matthias - but a question to Michael / Ede, should we 
>> un-comment it for now until 1.5.1 is really out there? I would propose 
>> so. But after 1.5.1 release we can add new functions.
>> depends on the stability of it i'd say.. if it is good enough in, if not out 
>> (for this release)
>> 
> I like it, but I think it can wait after 1.5.1 release so that we can 
> concentrate on reliability of 1.5.1 release.
>   
I agree with you Michaël. A good and stable release should always take 
precedence over new features. In the meantime I can look for a good OS X 
solution. So that the poor Apple users with only one mousebutton can 
work ;-) And second should for the 1.6 release remain some new features :-D

Just my 2 cents

Matthias


> Nevertheless, If there are more votes to include it I can change my mind.
>
> Michaël
>   
>>> However, not sure how you guys do the packaging - also with respect to
>>> language files updates.
>>>   
>> we freeze a revision by beginning of february. i suggest michael as lead 
>> maintainer tells me and i simply manually run the build process. this is 
>> also because i have a shell scripted repacking routine which sets correct 
>> file permissions for the zip distros.
>>
>> generally everybody should be able to do so in a checked out svn core/trunk
>>
>> mvn package -P release,javadoc,installer -D version.number=X.X.X
>>
>> should result in ( oj_release is OpenJUMP--r-(CORE|PLUS) )
>> target/apidocs/oj_release
>> target/oj_release_(CORE,PLUS).zip
>> target/izpack/Install_oj_release_(CORE,PLUS).(jar,exe)
>>
>> ..ede
>>
>> 
>>> stefan
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 22.01.12 11:24, schrieb Matthias Scholz:
>>>   
 Hi,

 today I've commited and activated a new zoom pan tool. Please test and
 comment it. If the tool makes Problems you can simply comment out line
 1320 in the JUMPConfiguration class.
 Here are the features:
 - left click zooms in
 - right click zooms out
 - left/middle/right drag is pan
 - with wheel you can zoom in/out and set the new visible area
 - hints and scale are displayed in the statusbar.

 As you can see on the toolbar icon, this tool connects the zoom and pan
 tool to one nice tool. The main reason for that tool was, that the user
 can faster navigate and especially can see/select the new zoomed area.
 This feature should be known as "Area of interest". So the user only
 need one tool for zooming/paning. During "wheelmode" you can pan too.
 Please tell me your opinion. I can imagine me to replace the two zoom
 and pan tools in the future by this tool. Translaters are welcome.
 Why the name "SuperZoomPanTool"? Because i need a class name and had no
 other idea :-D

 regards

 Matthias

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Re: [JPP-Devel] OpenJUMP 1.5.1 documentation

[Stefan Steiniger]

Hi Michael,

 > I have to see ELML. Do you know the system they use at osgeo for i18n 
? Michaël

no, for the wiki? or which?

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Re: [JPP-Devel] (re-)moving layer mouse menu item "delete all features"

[Stefan Steiniger]

thanks Jukka,

fyi: put it back yesterday. So no removal I would say.
But I think about moving it to the Layer menu, instead having it in 
mouse context (= less items in the menu & less dangerous - until we 
would have a "Are-You-Sure?"-window).

stefan

On 22/01/2012 10:22 PM, Rahkonen Jukka wrote:
> The thread about your last try to remove the tool is here:
>
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.jump.devel/4461
>
> -Jukka-
> 
> Lähettäjä: Stefan Steiniger [sst...@geo.uzh.ch]
> Lähetetty: 22. tammikuuta 2012 23:33
> Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use
> Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] (re-)moving layer mouse menu item "delete all 
> features"
>
> Well, I removed it.
>
> However, I saw that it was an original function of JUMP, same a "Delete
> Selected Items".
>
> Looking at both, I actually can't figure what might be different -
> except that the latter is more complex (as it can involve several
> layers). I speak here in terms of a distinction between "item" and
> "feature". But it seems like "Deleted Selected Items" is in several
> pop-up menus.
>
> Though, can't remember that I ever used the "Delete All Features"
> function in all the years.
> Anybody?
>
> stefan
>
> Am 22.01.12 14:03, schrieb Stefan Steiniger:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just recently hit "Delete All Features" accidentally when wanting to
>> use "Toggle Visibility".
>>
>> Unfortunately its an "undoable" function - currently, so all my objects
>> were lost.
>>
>> Also I am not sure how often people use it.
>>
>> hence, I was going to moved it to the "Edit" menu. But there is already
>> a "Delete Selected Items". So I think it is best to remove it.
>> Also I am just relealizing that the separators for the edit menu need to
>> be adjusted and the "extract" menu should be moved below "replicate".
>>
>> stefan
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Re: [JPP-Devel] new installer prototype, call for testers

[Michaël Michaud]

Hi,

Are jar and exe both for installation ?

I would insist on the CORE distribution, but similar distribution for 
CORE and PLUS seems fair to me :-)

Michaël

Le 23/01/2012 15:08, edgar.sol...@web.de a écrit :
> as it is an automated process now and the new installer is a cross platform 
> comfort feature i still vote to have it available for both editions.
>
> ..ede
>
> On 22.01.2012 19:55, Stefan Steiniger wrote:
>> I agree with Peppe:
>>
>> jar, zip, exe for PLUS
>> zip for CORE
>> --
>> = 4
>>
>> stefan
>>
>> Am 20.01.12 08:38, schrieb Giuseppe Aruta:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> i guess we should promote the installers once they are released. i
>>> intend to create
>>>
>>> Install_OJ*.jar (all platforms)
>>> Install_OJ*.exe (windows)
>>>
>>> and we'll still have
>>>
>>> OJ*.zip (all platform zip)
>>>
>>> taking into account that we will have two editions this will amount to 6
>>> files.
>>>
>>> ..ede
>>> 
>>>
>>> I think we can reduce to 4:
>>> PLUS (*.jar, *.zip and *.exe) and CORE (.zip),
>>> if *jar works with Windows, even 3 (Plus.jar, plus.zip and core.zip)
>>>
>>> Peppe
>>>
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Re: [JPP-Devel] Difference between right click Clone items and replicate-selected-items?

[Michaël Michaud]

Hi,
I can see the advantage in clone and move. I think that this tool is 
most useful when digitising and adding new features into that same 
layer. Replicate features is clearly made for copying features from 
one layer into another. That's also what I have been using it. Perhaps 
we will want to have them both, even it is hard to guess the 
difference between clone and replicate. But mayby only the Clone tool 
needs to be on the right click menu and replicate could be only 
available from the Edit menu?

Agree with that.
Have you developers discovered that both these tools (clone and 
replicate) seem to be happy with pasting features also 
into non-editable layers?

Didn't notice, you're right, this is incorrect.

Michaël

-Jukka Rahkonen-


Giuseppe Aruta  wrote:
Jukka,
clone items not only duplicate items but also set the copies on
editing mode and opens move-item tool: it allows users to clone
and move objects on the workbench with only one click - the
regular duplicate item doesn't have these capabilities. It has
some possible  usages, cloning object used for point simbology or
duplicate buildings which have the same shape. I rather use more
this Clone Tool for my maps than the regular Duplicate one - but
this is my point of view, more than this I made that tool.
Regarding your second question, I will try to find a solution.
Note that probabily Replicate Item tool has the same behaviour (I
will give a test, too)

Giuseppe


*Da:* Rahkonen Jukka 
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*Inviato:* Lunedì 23 Gennaio 2012 10:08
*Oggetto:* [JPP-Devel] Difference between right click Clone items
and replicate-selected-items?

Hi,

There are two tools in the right click menu which seem to almost
the same thing. Clone items does not ask anything, it just clones.
Are there other meaningful differences.

I notices that if I have selected items from many layers the Clone
items is cloning them all into one of the selected layers. It
seems to be usually the layer that is highest on the layer legend
but not always. Because the behaviour is not easy to predict,
would it be better to make this tool usable only if user has
exactly one editable layer selected?

-Jukka Rahkonen-

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Re: [JPP-Devel] super zoom pan tool in 1.5.1?

[Michaël Michaud]

Hi,
> Thanks Matthias - but a question to Michael / Ede, should we 
> un-comment it for now until 1.5.1 is really out there? I would propose 
> so. But after 1.5.1 release we can add new functions.
> depends on the stability of it i'd say.. if it is good enough in, if not out 
> (for this release)
I like it, but I think it can wait after 1.5.1 release so that we can 
concentrate on reliability of 1.5.1 release.

Nevertheless, If there are more votes to include it I can change my mind.

Michaël
>
>> However, not sure how you guys do the packaging - also with respect to
>> language files updates.
> we freeze a revision by beginning of february. i suggest michael as lead 
> maintainer tells me and i simply manually run the build process. this is also 
> because i have a shell scripted repacking routine which sets correct file 
> permissions for the zip distros.
>
> generally everybody should be able to do so in a checked out svn core/trunk
>
> mvn package -P release,javadoc,installer -D version.number=X.X.X
>
> should result in ( oj_release is OpenJUMP--r-(CORE|PLUS) )
> target/apidocs/oj_release
> target/oj_release_(CORE,PLUS).zip
> target/izpack/Install_oj_release_(CORE,PLUS).(jar,exe)
>
> ..ede
>
>> stefan
>>
>>
>> Am 22.01.12 11:24, schrieb Matthias Scholz:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> today I've commited and activated a new zoom pan tool. Please test and
>>> comment it. If the tool makes Problems you can simply comment out line
>>> 1320 in the JUMPConfiguration class.
>>> Here are the features:
>>> - left click zooms in
>>> - right click zooms out
>>> - left/middle/right drag is pan
>>> - with wheel you can zoom in/out and set the new visible area
>>> - hints and scale are displayed in the statusbar.
>>>
>>> As you can see on the toolbar icon, this tool connects the zoom and pan
>>> tool to one nice tool. The main reason for that tool was, that the user
>>> can faster navigate and especially can see/select the new zoomed area.
>>> This feature should be known as "Area of interest". So the user only
>>> need one tool for zooming/paning. During "wheelmode" you can pan too.
>>> Please tell me your opinion. I can imagine me to replace the two zoom
>>> and pan tools in the future by this tool. Translaters are welcome.
>>> Why the name "SuperZoomPanTool"? Because i need a class name and had no
>>> other idea :-D
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> Matthias
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Re: [JPP-Devel] release 1.5.1

[Michaël Michaud]

Hi,
> do you have an idea on when we can freeze? the installer is as good as it 
> gets for now and the releases look fine from my point of view.
I think we must freeze everything but fixes relative to installation 
process or language files.
I still have some remarks on windows batch (see my next mail), and I'm 
waiting for a
complement for czech language file.
If you have more time the week-end, as I do, we can decide to release on 
sunday.
In the meanwhile, I think we should test as much as possible and commit 
carefully.

Does it fit your schedule ?

Michaël
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[JPP-Devel] Zip, delete items and menus discussions

[Giuseppe Aruta]

Hi all,
I am very busy in these days with my job so excuse me if I do a cumulative 
answer.

I think we should leave all things as they are for OJ 1..5.1 without modifying 
anything.
But we can leave a general common discussion and open a page for an up-to-come 
version of OJ (1.6? 2?) where we can define all the radical and non radical 
modifications of menus and plugins.

The points.

1) As Uwe pointed it's hard to modify manuals if we have a software that is 
modified every version (modified in a better way, I say). That's why I gave up 
on upgrading the on-line manual/list of tool. 

On the other hand OpenJUMP evolves and we need to change. It is probably time 
to migrate to ELML/docbook or similar that make things more easy and fast to do.

2) To come close to academic needs, we can define a specific official version 
of OpenJUMP not only when all modifications are approved by the community but 
also when a basic manual, at least for Uwe's lessons, is prepared. Better if 
before September (the beginning of academic lessons, I believe). For instance:
 - we can freeze to add plugins or make modifications in February 2013 for the 
official realize (1.6) 

 - on this time we modify the manual for 1.6
 - the official realize can  happen between August and September
 - of coarse only corrections of bugs will be allowed between February and 
September.
On the same hand a the programming process goes on a 1.7 NB (to come on 2014 or 
2015). The only problem will be that people who correct bugs between Feb and 
Sept hve to make corrections on both lineages (1.6 up-to-come-official and 1.7 
NB)

Now the other points, possibly under point 2, if approved.

3) I think that the zip discussion can be included into Larry Baker's proposal 
to add to OJ SkyJUMP tool that saves also the project file into the zip folder.

4) I don't use a lot delete all layer items tool. When I was studying OJ and 
made may Frankenstein OpenJUMP Jufre I also realized the rescue to have this 
tool close to other like toggle visibility. I would vote to hide it

5) I think we should improve menu descriptions, using icons but also changing 
names. I worked more with Kosmo SAIG and I found it very easy to use and very 
flexible, also because everything is well described and easy to understand, 
even for newbies in GIS. As Stefan pointed out, being so far away from OJ 
community, probably helped to see things in a different way. Let us leave open 
the discussion. 


6) +1 to group Buffer tools under a submenu.

regards and excuse me for a long mail

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[JPP-Devel] release 1.5.1

[edgar . soldin]

Michael,

do you have an idea on when we can freeze? the installer is as good as it gets 
for now and the releases look fine from my point of view.

..ede

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Re: [JPP-Devel] Problem with opening zipped shapefiles

[edgar . soldin]

sounds good to me. although the user interaction should also include a 
possibility to ignore the file.

if you work on it please i suggest to do it locally and submit your change 
after february the 4th. we should finnish the release 1.5.1 during the course 
of this week.

..ede

On 23.01.2012 16:47, Landon Blake wrote:
> So we can ignore XML files in a zip file, or if we detect one, ask the
> user if it is a GML file.
> 
> Landon
> 
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Rahkonen Jukka
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Despite ESRI is a non-negligible factor in the GIS world I do not consider 
>> that problem with ESRI .xml metadata files is so big. As far as I know they 
>> are only generated by ESRI software. Shapefiles from other sources can be 
>> opened from zip file without problem. So I would rather keep the feature as 
>> it is than to remove it. Of course even better if it could be fixed.
>>
>> -Jukka Rahkonen-
>>
>>
>>> -Alkuperäinen viesti-
>>> Lähettäjä: Landon Blake [mailto:sunburned.surve...@gmail.com]
>>> Lähetetty: 23. tammikuuta 2012 17:18
>>> Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use
>>> Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] Problem with opening zipped shapefiles
>>>
>>> So we've got two choices. (1) Remove support for opening zip files.
>>> (2) Fix OJ's zip file support.
>>>
>>> You can put anything in a zip file, so the idea of opening a zip file
>>> directly seems a little odd to me. We need to teach jump to look for
>>> and import only supported files from a zip and to ignore the
>>> unsupported files.
>>>
>>> I'm willing to peek at this problem this week. What do Michael,
>>> Stefan, Ede, Peppe, Jukka, Uwe, etc. think about the two (2) options?
>>>
>>> Landon
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:23 AM,   wrote:
 zip,gz files are added as supported file types in trunk and
>>> since release 1.5.0.

 ..ede

 On 23.01.2012 06:50, Rahkonen Jukka wrote:
> Perhaps not because they may not know that they can open
>>> the zipped shapefile sent by email directly without a need to
>>> unzip. I believe most users are unzipping and opening .shp
>>> files then. It took some time for me to believe that it is
>>> not necessary.
>
> -Jukka Rahkonen-
> 
> Lähettäjä: Landon Blake [sunburned.surve...@gmail.com]
> Lähetetty: 22. tammikuuta 2012 21:35
> Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use
> Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] Problem with opening zipped shapefiles
>
> Do we have OpenJUMP users that frequently open zip files?
>
> Landon
>
> 2011/11/30 Michaël Michaud :
>> Hi Jukka,
>>
>> I had already noticed this problem once, but you did much
>>> better with this
>> full explanation and a nice workaround.
>>
>> I just filled a bug report with a copy of your mail.
>> Don't know when I'll have time to have a closer look.
>>
>> Michaël
>>
>> Le 30/11/2011 13:59, Rahkonen Jukka a écrit :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> There is a problem with opening zipped shapefiles which
>>> are created with
>> ESRI products.  ESRI is generating an additional .xml
>>> file that contains
>> some metadata about the shapefile.
>>
>> OpenJUMP File open mechanism believes that such shapefile
>>> in zip format
>> contains two datasets: shapefile and a XML file
>>> containing GML data.
>> OpenJUMP wants to open them both and insists user to point the
>> Input-Template-File for XML-GML.  If the template is not
>>> given the file open
>> task will not go further.
>>
>> It is possible to fool OpenJUMP by telling that the .xml
>>> file inside the zip
>> is of type FME GML. In that case template is not asked
>>> and user can load the
>> shapefile.  OJ is trying to open also the .xml metadata file which
>> is leading to an error.  That does not harm the user
>>> really because the
>> shapefile opens as supposed.  However, a novice OpenJUMP
>>> user cannot
>> discover the FME workaround.  I consider this is a bug
>>> and user should have
>> an option "Do not open" for each recognised data type and for each
>> individual file found from the zip.
>>
>> -Jukka Rahkonen-
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [JPP-Devel] Problem with opening zipped shapefiles

[Landon Blake]

So we can ignore XML files in a zip file, or if we detect one, ask the
user if it is a GML file.

Landon

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Rahkonen Jukka
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Despite ESRI is a non-negligible factor in the GIS world I do not consider 
> that problem with ESRI .xml metadata files is so big. As far as I know they 
> are only generated by ESRI software. Shapefiles from other sources can be 
> opened from zip file without problem. So I would rather keep the feature as 
> it is than to remove it. Of course even better if it could be fixed.
>
> -Jukka Rahkonen-
>
>
>> -Alkuperäinen viesti-
>> Lähettäjä: Landon Blake [mailto:sunburned.surve...@gmail.com]
>> Lähetetty: 23. tammikuuta 2012 17:18
>> Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use
>> Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] Problem with opening zipped shapefiles
>>
>> So we've got two choices. (1) Remove support for opening zip files.
>> (2) Fix OJ's zip file support.
>>
>> You can put anything in a zip file, so the idea of opening a zip file
>> directly seems a little odd to me. We need to teach jump to look for
>> and import only supported files from a zip and to ignore the
>> unsupported files.
>>
>> I'm willing to peek at this problem this week. What do Michael,
>> Stefan, Ede, Peppe, Jukka, Uwe, etc. think about the two (2) options?
>>
>> Landon
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:23 AM,   wrote:
>> > zip,gz files are added as supported file types in trunk and
>> since release 1.5.0.
>> >
>> > ..ede
>> >
>> > On 23.01.2012 06:50, Rahkonen Jukka wrote:
>> >> Perhaps not because they may not know that they can open
>> the zipped shapefile sent by email directly without a need to
>> unzip. I believe most users are unzipping and opening .shp
>> files then. It took some time for me to believe that it is
>> not necessary.
>> >>
>> >> -Jukka Rahkonen-
>> >> 
>> >> Lähettäjä: Landon Blake [sunburned.surve...@gmail.com]
>> >> Lähetetty: 22. tammikuuta 2012 21:35
>> >> Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use
>> >> Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] Problem with opening zipped shapefiles
>> >>
>> >> Do we have OpenJUMP users that frequently open zip files?
>> >>
>> >> Landon
>> >>
>> >> 2011/11/30 Michaël Michaud :
>> >>> Hi Jukka,
>> >>>
>> >>> I had already noticed this problem once, but you did much
>> better with this
>> >>> full explanation and a nice workaround.
>> >>>
>> >>> I just filled a bug report with a copy of your mail.
>> >>> Don't know when I'll have time to have a closer look.
>> >>>
>> >>> Michaël
>> >>>
>> >>> Le 30/11/2011 13:59, Rahkonen Jukka a écrit :
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> There is a problem with opening zipped shapefiles which
>> are created with
>> >>> ESRI products.  ESRI is generating an additional .xml
>> file that contains
>> >>> some metadata about the shapefile.
>> >>>
>> >>> OpenJUMP File open mechanism believes that such shapefile
>> in zip format
>> >>> contains two datasets: shapefile and a XML file
>> containing GML data.
>> >>> OpenJUMP wants to open them both and insists user to point the
>> >>> Input-Template-File for XML-GML.  If the template is not
>> given the file open
>> >>> task will not go further.
>> >>>
>> >>> It is possible to fool OpenJUMP by telling that the .xml
>> file inside the zip
>> >>> is of type FME GML. In that case template is not asked
>> and user can load the
>> >>> shapefile.  OJ is trying to open also the .xml metadata file which
>> >>> is leading to an error.  That does not harm the user
>> really because the
>> >>> shapefile opens as supposed.  However, a novice OpenJUMP
>> user cannot
>> >>> discover the FME workaround.  I consider this is a bug
>> and user should have
>> >>> an option "Do not open" for each recognised data type and for each
>> >>> individual file found from the zip.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Jukka Rahkonen-
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> performance,
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Re: [JPP-Devel] Proxy parameter presets for oj_windows.bat

[Landon Blake]

Makes sense.

Landon

On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Rahkonen Jukka
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For reaching WMS and WFS services. Requests and responses are going through 
> http(s) protocol and if company is using http proxy then OpenJUMP must use it 
> also.
>
> -Jukka Rahkonen-
>
> Landon Blake wrote:
>
>> Jukka,
>
>> I'm just curious, what is the proxy setting used for?
>
>> Landon
>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 7:46 AM,   wrote:
>>> On 13.01.2012 16:39, edgar.sol...@web.de wrote:
 On 13.01.2012 15:20, Rahkonen Jukka wrote:
> Hi,

> Anyone against adding a model for proxy settings into oj_windows.bat in 
> the same way we have the commented language settings?

>>>
>>> included in revision
>>> http://jump-pilot.svn.sourceforge.net/jump-pilot/?rev=2616&view=rev
>>>
>>
>> and now disabled by default
>> http://jump-pilot.svn.sourceforge.net/jump-pilot/?rev=2617&view=rev
>>
>> ..ede
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Re: [JPP-Devel] Problem with opening zipped shapefiles

[Rahkonen Jukka]

Hi,

Despite ESRI is a non-negligible factor in the GIS world I do not consider that 
problem with ESRI .xml metadata files is so big. As far as I know they are only 
generated by ESRI software. Shapefiles from other sources can be opened from 
zip file without problem. So I would rather keep the feature as it is than to 
remove it. Of course even better if it could be fixed.

-Jukka Rahkonen-


> -Alkuperäinen viesti-
> Lähettäjä: Landon Blake [mailto:sunburned.surve...@gmail.com] 
> Lähetetty: 23. tammikuuta 2012 17:18
> Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use
> Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] Problem with opening zipped shapefiles
> 
> So we've got two choices. (1) Remove support for opening zip files.
> (2) Fix OJ's zip file support.
> 
> You can put anything in a zip file, so the idea of opening a zip file
> directly seems a little odd to me. We need to teach jump to look for
> and import only supported files from a zip and to ignore the
> unsupported files.
> 
> I'm willing to peek at this problem this week. What do Michael,
> Stefan, Ede, Peppe, Jukka, Uwe, etc. think about the two (2) options?
> 
> Landon
> 
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:23 AM,   wrote:
> > zip,gz files are added as supported file types in trunk and 
> since release 1.5.0.
> >
> > ..ede
> >
> > On 23.01.2012 06:50, Rahkonen Jukka wrote:
> >> Perhaps not because they may not know that they can open 
> the zipped shapefile sent by email directly without a need to 
> unzip. I believe most users are unzipping and opening .shp 
> files then. It took some time for me to believe that it is 
> not necessary.
> >>
> >> -Jukka Rahkonen-
> >> 
> >> Lähettäjä: Landon Blake [sunburned.surve...@gmail.com]
> >> Lähetetty: 22. tammikuuta 2012 21:35
> >> Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use
> >> Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] Problem with opening zipped shapefiles
> >>
> >> Do we have OpenJUMP users that frequently open zip files?
> >>
> >> Landon
> >>
> >> 2011/11/30 Michaël Michaud :
> >>> Hi Jukka,
> >>>
> >>> I had already noticed this problem once, but you did much 
> better with this
> >>> full explanation and a nice workaround.
> >>>
> >>> I just filled a bug report with a copy of your mail.
> >>> Don't know when I'll have time to have a closer look.
> >>>
> >>> Michaël
> >>>
> >>> Le 30/11/2011 13:59, Rahkonen Jukka a écrit :
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> There is a problem with opening zipped shapefiles which 
> are created with
> >>> ESRI products.  ESRI is generating an additional .xml 
> file that contains
> >>> some metadata about the shapefile.
> >>>
> >>> OpenJUMP File open mechanism believes that such shapefile 
> in zip format
> >>> contains two datasets: shapefile and a XML file 
> containing GML data.
> >>> OpenJUMP wants to open them both and insists user to point the
> >>> Input-Template-File for XML-GML.  If the template is not 
> given the file open
> >>> task will not go further.
> >>>
> >>> It is possible to fool OpenJUMP by telling that the .xml 
> file inside the zip
> >>> is of type FME GML. In that case template is not asked 
> and user can load the
> >>> shapefile.  OJ is trying to open also the .xml metadata file which
> >>> is leading to an error.  That does not harm the user 
> really because the
> >>> shapefile opens as supposed.  However, a novice OpenJUMP 
> user cannot
> >>> discover the FME workaround.  I consider this is a bug 
> and user should have
> >>> an option "Do not open" for each recognised data type and for each
> >>> individual file found from the zip.
> >>>
> >>> -Jukka Rahkonen-
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [JPP-Devel] Tool for correcting topology of a polygon layer

[Landon Blake]

Jukka.

If we don't have this functionality, let's talk. It would be useful to
me and I could code a plug-in. If this functionality isn't already in
JTS, I bet DR JTS would be interested in our implementation.

Landon

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Rahkonen Jukka
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I received a polygon dataset that in not in perfect order. I should make a
> uniform polygon coverage but sometimes the vertices of adjacent polygons
> does not match exactly. Sometimes also one polygon has more vertices than
> the neighbour polygon in the common boundary. Do we already have these
> tools?
>
> - Compare vertices of neighbouring polygons and adjust the coordinates to
> common value it they are inside a given tolerance distance
> - Add new vertises to boundary from the neigbouring polygon if the
> counterpart is missing
> - Check overlaps and micropolygons and report them
>
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Re: [JPP-Devel] Problem with opening zipped shapefiles

[Landon Blake]

So we've got two choices. (1) Remove support for opening zip files.
(2) Fix OJ's zip file support.

You can put anything in a zip file, so the idea of opening a zip file
directly seems a little odd to me. We need to teach jump to look for
and import only supported files from a zip and to ignore the
unsupported files.

I'm willing to peek at this problem this week. What do Michael,
Stefan, Ede, Peppe, Jukka, Uwe, etc. think about the two (2) options?

Landon

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 4:23 AM,   wrote:
> zip,gz files are added as supported file types in trunk and since release 
> 1.5.0.
>
> ..ede
>
> On 23.01.2012 06:50, Rahkonen Jukka wrote:
>> Perhaps not because they may not know that they can open the zipped 
>> shapefile sent by email directly without a need to unzip. I believe most 
>> users are unzipping and opening .shp files then. It took some time for me to 
>> believe that it is not necessary.
>>
>> -Jukka Rahkonen-
>> 
>> Lähettäjä: Landon Blake [sunburned.surve...@gmail.com]
>> Lähetetty: 22. tammikuuta 2012 21:35
>> Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use
>> Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] Problem with opening zipped shapefiles
>>
>> Do we have OpenJUMP users that frequently open zip files?
>>
>> Landon
>>
>> 2011/11/30 Michaël Michaud :
>>> Hi Jukka,
>>>
>>> I had already noticed this problem once, but you did much better with this
>>> full explanation and a nice workaround.
>>>
>>> I just filled a bug report with a copy of your mail.
>>> Don't know when I'll have time to have a closer look.
>>>
>>> Michaël
>>>
>>> Le 30/11/2011 13:59, Rahkonen Jukka a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> There is a problem with opening zipped shapefiles which are created with
>>> ESRI products.  ESRI is generating an additional .xml file that contains
>>> some metadata about the shapefile.
>>>
>>> OpenJUMP File open mechanism believes that such shapefile in zip format
>>> contains two datasets: shapefile and a XML file containing GML data.
>>> OpenJUMP wants to open them both and insists user to point the
>>> Input-Template-File for XML-GML.  If the template is not given the file open
>>> task will not go further.
>>>
>>> It is possible to fool OpenJUMP by telling that the .xml file inside the zip
>>> is of type FME GML. In that case template is not asked and user can load the
>>> shapefile.  OJ is trying to open also the .xml metadata file which
>>> is leading to an error.  That does not harm the user really because the
>>> shapefile opens as supposed.  However, a novice OpenJUMP user cannot
>>> discover the FME workaround.  I consider this is a bug and user should have
>>> an option "Do not open" for each recognised data type and for each
>>> individual file found from the zip.
>>>
>>> -Jukka Rahkonen-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this
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Re: [JPP-Devel] Difference between right click Clone items and replicate-selected-items?

[Landon Blake]

Jukka,

I believe we definitely should not be copying features to layers that
are not editable.

Can you fill out a feature request for this?

Thanks.

The Sunburned Surveyor

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Rahkonen Jukka
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I can see the advantage in clone and move. I think that this tool is most
> useful when digitising and adding new features into that same layer.
> Replicate features is clearly made for copying features from one layer into
> another. That's also what I have been using it. Perhaps we will want to have
> them both, even it is hard to guess the difference between clone and
> replicate. But mayby only the Clone tool needs to be on the right click menu
> and replicate could be only available from the Edit menu?
>
> Have you developers discovered that both these tools (clone and replicate)
> seem to be happy with pasting features also into non-editable layers?
>
> -Jukka Rahkonen-
>
> 
> Giuseppe Aruta  wrote:
> Jukka,
> clone items not only duplicate items but also set the copies on editing mode
> and opens move-item tool: it allows users to clone and move objects on the
> workbench with only one click - the regular duplicate item doesn't have
> these capabilities. It has some possible  usages, cloning object used for
> point simbology or duplicate buildings which have the same shape. I rather
> use more this Clone Tool for my maps than the regular Duplicate one - but
> this is my point of view, more than this I made that tool.
> Regarding your second question, I will try to find a solution. Note that
> probabily Replicate Item tool has the same behaviour (I will give a test,
> too)
>
> Giuseppe
>
> 
> Da: Rahkonen Jukka 
> A: 'OpenJump develop and use' 
> Inviato: Lunedì 23 Gennaio 2012 10:08
> Oggetto: [JPP-Devel] Difference between right click Clone items and
> replicate-selected-items?
>
> Hi,
>
> There are two tools in the right click menu which seem to almost the same
> thing. Clone items does not ask anything, it just clones. Are there other
> meaningful differences.
>
> I notices that if I have selected items from many layers the Clone items is
> cloning them all into one of the selected layers. It seems to be usually the
> layer that is highest on the layer legend but not always. Because the
> behaviour is not easy to predict, would it be better to make this tool
> usable only if user has exactly one editable layer selected?
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[JPP-Devel] windows exe installer is online

[edgar . soldin]

hi all,

for the curious the exe wrapped izpack installer can now be downloaded and 
tested form the sf.net snapshot area
http://sourceforge.net/projects/jump-pilot/files/OpenJUMP_snapshots/

as a bonus it complains when it can't find java and open's java download page 
in browser (most of the time ;).

ede

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Re: [JPP-Devel] new installer prototype, call for testers

[edgar . soldin]

as it is an automated process now and the new installer is a cross platform 
comfort feature i still vote to have it available for both editions.

..ede

On 22.01.2012 19:55, Stefan Steiniger wrote:
> I agree with Peppe:
> 
> jar, zip, exe for PLUS
> zip for CORE
> --
> = 4
> 
> stefan
> 
> Am 20.01.12 08:38, schrieb Giuseppe Aruta:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> i guess we should promote the installers once they are released. i
>> intend to create
>>
>> Install_OJ*.jar (all platforms)
>> Install_OJ*.exe (windows)
>>
>> and we'll still have
>>
>> OJ*.zip (all platform zip)
>>
>> taking into account that we will have two editions this will amount to 6
>> files.
>>
>> ..ede
>> 
>>
>> I think we can reduce to 4:
>> PLUS (*.jar, *.zip and *.exe) and CORE (.zip),
>> if *jar works with Windows, even 3 (Plus.jar, plus.zip and core.zip)
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Re: [JPP-Devel] Difference between right click Clone items and replicate-selected-items?

[Rahkonen Jukka]

Hi,

I can see the advantage in clone and move. I think that this tool is most 
useful when digitising and adding new features into that same layer. Replicate 
features is clearly made for copying features from one layer into another. 
That's also what I have been using it. Perhaps we will want to have them both, 
even it is hard to guess the difference between clone and replicate. But mayby 
only the Clone tool needs to be on the right click menu and replicate could be 
only available from the Edit menu?

Have you developers discovered that both these tools (clone and replicate) seem 
to be happy with pasting features also into non-editable layers?

-Jukka Rahkonen-


Giuseppe Aruta  wrote:
Jukka,
clone items not only duplicate items but also set the copies on editing mode 
and opens move-item tool: it allows users to clone and move objects on the 
workbench with only one click - the regular duplicate item doesn't have these 
capabilities. It has some possible  usages, cloning object used for point 
simbology or duplicate buildings which have the same shape. I rather use more 
this Clone Tool for my maps than the regular Duplicate one - but this is my 
point of view, more than this I made that tool.
Regarding your second question, I will try to find a solution. Note that 
probabily Replicate Item tool has the same behaviour (I will give a test, too)

Giuseppe


Da: Rahkonen Jukka 
A: 'OpenJump develop and use' 
Inviato: Lunedì 23 Gennaio 2012 10:08
Oggetto: [JPP-Devel] Difference between right click Clone items and 
replicate-selected-items?

Hi,

There are two tools in the right click menu which seem to almost the same 
thing. Clone items does not ask anything, it just clones. Are there other 
meaningful differences.

I notices that if I have selected items from many layers the Clone items is 
cloning them all into one of the selected layers. It seems to be usually the 
layer that is highest on the layer legend but not always. Because the behaviour 
is not easy to predict, would it be better to make this tool usable only if 
user has exactly one editable layer selected?

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Re: [JPP-Devel] super zoom pan tool in 1.5.1?

[edgar . soldin]

On 22.01.2012 20:43, Stefan Steiniger wrote:
> Thanks Matthias - but a question to Michael / Ede,
> 
> should we un-comment it for now until 1.5.1 is really out there?
> I would propose so. But after 1.5.1 release we can add new functions.

depends on the stability of it i'd say.. if it is good enough in, if not out 
(for this release)

> 
> However, not sure how you guys do the packaging - also with respect to 
> language files updates.

we freeze a revision by beginning of february. i suggest michael as lead 
maintainer tells me and i simply manually run the build process. this is also 
because i have a shell scripted repacking routine which sets correct file 
permissions for the zip distros.

generally everybody should be able to do so in a checked out svn core/trunk

mvn package -P release,javadoc,installer -D version.number=X.X.X

should result in ( oj_release is OpenJUMP--r-(CORE|PLUS) )
target/apidocs/oj_release
target/oj_release_(CORE,PLUS).zip
target/izpack/Install_oj_release_(CORE,PLUS).(jar,exe)

..ede

> 
> stefan
> 
> 
> Am 22.01.12 11:24, schrieb Matthias Scholz:
>> Hi,
>>
>> today I've commited and activated a new zoom pan tool. Please test and
>> comment it. If the tool makes Problems you can simply comment out line
>> 1320 in the JUMPConfiguration class.
>> Here are the features:
>> - left click zooms in
>> - right click zooms out
>> - left/middle/right drag is pan
>> - with wheel you can zoom in/out and set the new visible area
>> - hints and scale are displayed in the statusbar.
>>
>> As you can see on the toolbar icon, this tool connects the zoom and pan
>> tool to one nice tool. The main reason for that tool was, that the user
>> can faster navigate and especially can see/select the new zoomed area.
>> This feature should be known as "Area of interest". So the user only
>> need one tool for zooming/paning. During "wheelmode" you can pan too.
>> Please tell me your opinion. I can imagine me to replace the two zoom
>> and pan tools in the future by this tool. Translaters are welcome.
>> Why the name "SuperZoomPanTool"? Because i need a class name and had no
>> other idea :-D
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Matthias
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Re: [JPP-Devel] Renaming functions and moving menu positions - need for guidelines?

[Uwe Dalluege]

Hi,

at 2011.05.16 we had a discussion about changing menues
(see below).
My opinion again is to use names from OGC.

http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/sfa

Please do not change every OJ version the menues!
Because it is hard work for the users to find them
and it is hard to update a tutorial.

Regards

Uwe (The academic teacher) :-)



 > old mail:

Hi Michaël,

thank you for your answer

The problem with one/two layer is, that
the Geometry Functions works with one and with two layers.
So maybe it is better to avoid splitting in one/two layer.

Maybe you have the old OpenJUMP version 1.2F.
There you find the whole Analysis functions under Tools>Analysis>...

But you are right. This is my opinion. Please ask the
other users what they think about this.

Thank you for your help.

Regards

Uwe


Am 16.05.2011 08:27, schrieb Michaël Michaud:
 > Hi,
 >
 > I'll post to the list again when I'll have the whole picture (submenus
 > with new items and submenus with removed items)
 >
 > When you propose to put some items to the Analysis submenu, in your
 > opinion, should they be directly under Analysis ? under
 > Analysis>OneLayer ? Do you keep OneLayer/TwoLayer submenus ?
 >
 > Thanks,
 >
 > Michaël
 >
 > Le 16/05/2011 08:18, Michaël Michaud a écrit :
 >> Hi Uwe,
 >>
 >> I'm sorry, I was quite sure I sent an answer, but I should have delete
 >> my mail before I sent it.
 >>
 >> I think you make a good point by refering to OGC standard.
 >> I'm also not completely satisfied with the current tools menu.
 >>
 >> What I would like is
 >> - to have a clear vision of the whole menu (I think that the changes
 >> you propose may have other consequences on non-ogc features, and that
 >> some submenus may loose their legitimity after that change)
 >> - I'd like to have some feedback from other power users, because I
 >> think that many users have teir own idea about where tools should be
 >> and we already moves some tools.
 >>
 >> I will post your propositions again to the list
 >>
 >> Thanks,
 >>
 >> Michaël
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> Le 16/05/2011 07:57, Uwe Dalluege a écrit :
 >>> Good morning Michaël,
 >>>
 >>> last week I posted following mail to the JPP-Devel list
 >>> (I hope so)
 >>> I am not shure whether this mail
 >>> arrived the mailing list.
 >>>
 >>> What do you you think about my suggestion?
 >>> Do you think that it is possible and usefull
 >>> to change the menues?
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> Greeting from Hamburg
 >>>
 >>> Uwe
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> Hi,
 >>>
 >>> it is a little tricky to find the spatial analysis
 >>> functions in OpenJUMP.
 >>>
 >>> In the
 >>>
 >>> OpenGIS Implementation Specification for Geographic information - 
Simple
 >>> feature access - Part 1: Common architecture
 >>>
 >>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/sfa
 >>>
 >>> you find at page 17 (6.1.2.4)
 >>> "Methods that support spatial analysis"
 >>>
 >>> there you find for example Buffer, Intersection and ConvexHull.
 >>>
 >>> Is it possible to move
 >>>
 >>> a) Tools>Generate>Buffer
 >>> b) Tools>Generate>Convex Hull
 >>> c) Tools>Generate>Convex Hull on Layer...
 >>> d) Tools>Edit Geometry>Geometry Functions...
 >>>
 >>> to
 >>>
 >>> Tools>Analysis?
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> because in the OGC Specification you will find this
 >>> functions under Analysis.
 >>>
 >>> Regards
 >>>
 >>> Uwe
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> Mit freundlichen Gruessen
 >>>
 >>> Uwe Dalluege
 >>>
 >>


Am 23.01.2012 11:58, schrieb Rahkonen Jukka:
> Hi,
>
> Do I remember right or was there some academic teacher with the discussion 
> back then? And the reason for changing some naming and grouping was aiming to 
> better match with some OGC document?
>
> I feel it is confusing to have slightly different names for about similar but 
> not exactly same operations in ESRI world, OGC definitions etc. 
> Union/merge/dissolve is one example that comes to my mind. It may be 
> impossible to find an uniform names for everything. Some little example 
> images about source layers before operation and after that would be nice to 
> have available when selecting the tools and why not a lexicon telling what 
> terms other popular softwares are using for the equivalent operation.
>
> I also hope that the menus would not changed very often.
>
> -Jukka Rahkonen-
>
>> -Alkuperäinen viesti-
>> Lähettäjä: Stefan Steiniger [mailto:sst...@geo.uzh.ch]
>> Lähetetty: 23. tammikuuta 2012 1:07
>> Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use
>> Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] Renaming functions and moving menu
>> positions - need for guidelines?
>>
>> Hi Michael and others,
>>
>> Michael, I am not blaming you and I know that you are careful with
>> theses things,... And yes, I know there was no feedback to Noder and
>> Union plugin. Because, I think, it was fine.
>>
>> However, for the renaming a while ago.. I was travelling and
>> did not use
>> OJ much since. Though, the original naming was partly from me
>> - and that
>> maybe why I am now "more active" on that too.
>>
>> And with respect to your note on that its very short 

Re: [JPP-Devel] PostGIS-Driver

[Michaël Michaud]

Hi,
>
> I made a little correction in readme.txt and readme-devel.txt.
> Please have a look at this.

OK, thanks Uwe,
It's updated and uploaded as PostGIS PlugIn V1.5.0

Michaël
>
> Kindly regards
>
> uwe
>
>
> Am 21.01.2012 22:00, schrieb Michaël Michaud:
>> Sorry, clicked too fast,
>>
>> Here is the file
>>
>> Michaël
>>
>>
>> Le 21/01/2012 21:57, Michaël Michaud a écrit :
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I internationalized some error messages and updated the readme files.
>>> Should be ready for inclusion in OpenJUMP 1.5.1
>>>
>>> Before upload, could you please :
>>> - make a small test
>>> - uwe : have a look at the readme and readme-devel files
>>> - peppe, uwe (or stefan), peppe : translate language files
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help
>>>
>>> Michaël
>>
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Re: [JPP-Devel] Difference between right click Clone items and replicate-selected-items?

[Giuseppe Aruta]

Jukka,
clone items not only duplicate items but also set the copies on editing mode 
and opens move-item tool: it allows users to clone and move objects on the 
workbench with only one click - the regular duplicate item doesn't have these 
capabilities. It has some possible  usages, cloning object used for point 
simbology or duplicate buildings which have the same shape. I rather use more 
this Clone Tool for my maps than the regular Duplicate one - but this is my 
point of view, more than this I made that tool.
Regarding your second question, I will try to find a solution. Note that 
probabily Replicate Item tool has the same behaviour (I will give a test, too)

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 Da: Rahkonen Jukka 
A: 'OpenJump develop and use'  
Inviato: Lunedì 23 Gennaio 2012 10:08
Oggetto: [JPP-Devel] Difference between right click Clone items and 
replicate-selected-items?
 
Hi,

There are two tools in the right click menu which seem to almost the same 
thing. Clone items does not ask anything, it just clones. Are there other 
meaningful differences.

I notices that if I have selected items from many layers the Clone items is 
cloning them all into one of the selected layers. It seems to be usually the 
layer that is highest on the layer legend but not always. Because the behaviour 
is not easy to predict, would it be better to make this tool usable only if 
user has exactly one editable layer selected?

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Re: [JPP-Devel] Renaming functions and moving menu positions - need for guidelines?

[edgar . soldin]

On 23.01.2012 00:06, Stefan Steiniger wrote:
> So - for everyone who reads until here:
> please can I ask for the opinion on namening/re-naming back to earlier 
> changes?

 as a no gis person i'll pass on this.. you guys better suited for that issue.. 
ede

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Re: [JPP-Devel] New zoom pan tool

[edgar . soldin]

the mighty mouse has 4 buttons. 2 at the side, 2 at the top. if you click on 
the right top you have a right click. for osx you can enable right clicking 
systemwide in the systempanel/mouse.

but even without this change a java application should consider the rightclick 
as such if you just don't push down the whole shell but only the front right 
part of it.

..ede

On 23.01.2012 01:35, Stefan Steiniger wrote:
> Hei,
> 
> so, yeah, what I can say for zooming in and having the size of the 
> bounding box defined with the wheel is nice.
> 
> However, when it comes to using a mighty mouse and Mac, I got 
> problems... as it keeps zooming in.. and you know: this mouse has kind 
> of only "1" mouse key.. no left and right click.
> 
> So I need pan and zoom functions/button separately as well :(
> 
> 
> stefan
> 
> 
> Am 22.01.12 15:38, schrieb Michaël Michaud:
>> Hi,
>>> today I've commited and activated a new zoom pan tool. Please test and
>>> comment it. If the tool makes Problems you can simply comment out line
>>> 1320 in the JUMPConfiguration class.
>>> Here are the features:
>>> - left click zooms in
>>> - right click zooms out
>>> - left/middle/right drag is pan
>>> - with wheel you can zoom in/out and set the new visible area
>>> - hints and scale are displayed in the statusbar.
>> Like it ;o)
>> Not sure I will fill as confortable with the new "area of interest" than
>> with the old one (drag and drop with zoom tool), but having zoom and pan
>> with the same button worth it. And having scale in the status bar is
>> also a nice feature. Good job Matthias !
>>
>> Michaël
>>>
>>> As you can see on the toolbar icon, this tool connects the zoom and pan
>>> tool to one nice tool. The main reason for that tool was, that the user
>>> can faster navigate and especially can see/select the new zoomed area.
>>> This feature should be known as "Area of interest". So the user only
>>> need one tool for zooming/paning. During "wheelmode" you can pan too.
>>> Please tell me your opinion. I can imagine me to replace the two zoom
>>> and pan tools in the future by this tool. Translaters are welcome.
>>> Why the name "SuperZoomPanTool"? Because i need a class name and had no
>>> other idea :-D
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> Matthias
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Re: [JPP-Devel] problems with using installer on Mac

[edgar . soldin]

it's not like i am not listening ;) .. regarding adding plugins/editing the 
scripts i think we can expect those "advanced users" to familiarize with right 
click/show package contents. we should of course document it in the wiki.

..ede

On 23.01.2012 01:37, Stefan Steiniger wrote:
> Hei ede,
> 
> the new installer right on the desktop is much better.. :)
> 
> stefan
> 
> Am 22.01.12 11:08, schrieb edgar.sol...@web.de:
>> On 22.01.2012 18:06, Stefan Steiniger wrote:
>>> Ok, I will check.
>>>
>>> I am not expecting that users edit on a daily basis, but If they want to
>>> customize OJ for the startup (language&  memory) they will not have a
>>> clue how.
>>
>> we should document it, but generally it is osx semantics to keep everything 
>> in such a package and the handling imho trumps the occasional configuration 
>> urge. i see your point here.. but i also think first time users might not 
>> start with installing an extension.
>>
>>> That I had to give install permission
>>
>> this happens all the time when an application lands in /Applications
>>
>>> and that I needed to see content
>>> of an application folder was for me the first time ever.
>>
>> isn't the first time special, anytime ;)
>>
>>> Furthermore, this will also have an effect on installing
>>> plugins/extension. Every time they will need to access the application
>>> folder...
>>
>> you got it right, but essentially that's how osx deals with applications. 
>> check where photshop plugins end up ;) ok we could put libraries under the 
>> system/libraries folder. but i like to keep things 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle and keping everything in one 
>> folder does that for us.
>>
>> ..ede
>>
>>>
>>> stefan
>>>
>>> Am 22.01.12 09:59, schrieb edgar.sol...@web.de:
 please check the latest installer.. it installs with user permissions on 
 users desktop. by opening with right click 'show package contents' user 
 should be able to navigate to bin/oj_linux.sh and edit it.

 what exactly do you expect users to edit there on a daily basis?

 ..ede

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> Hi,
>
> so, I discovered a couple of problems for the Mac installation:
> - when I install, I need to provide an admin password (ok... most people
> are the admin, but its also a bit suspicious)
> - to do changes to the start-up (i.e. the linux.sh file) is tricky,
> a) the user needs to know how to access the "bin" folder, since it is
> not visible anymore.
> b) the user isn't allowed to modify the linux.sh file. I tried changing
> the read/write settings of the file, but when I chose to "save" my
> changes (in this case changing the language de=>en), the computer told
> me it can not save... no clue why...
>
>
> Hence, I propose to not use the jar as default download for MacUsers -
> but assign the zip file.
>
> stefan
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Re: [JPP-Devel] Problem with opening zipped shapefiles

[edgar . soldin]

zip,gz files are added as supported file types in trunk and since release 1.5.0.

..ede

On 23.01.2012 06:50, Rahkonen Jukka wrote:
> Perhaps not because they may not know that they can open the zipped shapefile 
> sent by email directly without a need to unzip. I believe most users are 
> unzipping and opening .shp files then. It took some time for me to believe 
> that it is not necessary.
> 
> -Jukka Rahkonen-
> 
> Lähettäjä: Landon Blake [sunburned.surve...@gmail.com]
> Lähetetty: 22. tammikuuta 2012 21:35
> Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use
> Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] Problem with opening zipped shapefiles
> 
> Do we have OpenJUMP users that frequently open zip files?
> 
> Landon
> 
> 2011/11/30 Michaël Michaud :
>> Hi Jukka,
>>
>> I had already noticed this problem once, but you did much better with this
>> full explanation and a nice workaround.
>>
>> I just filled a bug report with a copy of your mail.
>> Don't know when I'll have time to have a closer look.
>>
>> Michaël
>>
>> Le 30/11/2011 13:59, Rahkonen Jukka a écrit :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> There is a problem with opening zipped shapefiles which are created with
>> ESRI products.  ESRI is generating an additional .xml file that contains
>> some metadata about the shapefile.
>>
>> OpenJUMP File open mechanism believes that such shapefile in zip format
>> contains two datasets: shapefile and a XML file containing GML data.
>> OpenJUMP wants to open them both and insists user to point the
>> Input-Template-File for XML-GML.  If the template is not given the file open
>> task will not go further.
>>
>> It is possible to fool OpenJUMP by telling that the .xml file inside the zip
>> is of type FME GML. In that case template is not asked and user can load the
>> shapefile.  OJ is trying to open also the .xml metadata file which
>> is leading to an error.  That does not harm the user really because the
>> shapefile opens as supposed.  However, a novice OpenJUMP user cannot
>> discover the FME workaround.  I consider this is a bug and user should have
>> an option "Do not open" for each recognised data type and for each
>> individual file found from the zip.
>>
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Re: [JPP-Devel] Difference between right click Clone items and replicate-selected-items?

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Hi,
> There are two tools in the right click menu which seem to almost the same 
> thing. Clone items does not ask anything, it just clones. Are there other 
> meaningful differences.
The other difference is that the object remains selected* and the move 
feature action is activated so that it is very easy to move the feature.

Note : The "source" feature is selected and the cloned one is not. You 
realize this if you clone it in another layer and move it. I think this 
should be changed.
> I notices that if I have selected items from many layers the Clone items is 
> cloning them all into one of the selected layers. It seems to be usually the 
> layer that is highest on the layer legend but not always. Because the 
> behaviour is not easy to predict, would it be better to make this tool usable 
> only if user has exactly one editable layer selected?
The target layer is probably predictable, but I agree thet would be more 
safe to only copy if one editable layer is selected.
I would not be surprised that your remark apply to other plugins.

Would you write a feature request in case we can not fix that very quicly ?

Michaël
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Re: [JPP-Devel] PostGIS-Driver

[Uwe Dalluege]

Hi,

I made a little correction in readme.txt and readme-devel.txt.
Please have a look at this.

Kindly regards

uwe


Am 21.01.2012 22:00, schrieb Michaël Michaud:

Sorry, clicked too fast,

Here is the file

Michaël


Le 21/01/2012 21:57, Michaël Michaud a écrit :

Hi,

I internationalized some error messages and updated the readme files.
Should be ready for inclusion in OpenJUMP 1.5.1

Before upload, could you please :
- make a small test
- uwe : have a look at the readme and readme-devel files
- peppe, uwe (or stefan), peppe : translate language files

Thanks for your help

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--- Informations about the OpenJUMP PostGIS PlugIn (2012-01-21)

The JumpPostGIS PlugIn is an extension of the original PostGIS driver 
created by Refractions Research (www.refractions.net) for Jump.

With this driver you can read and write PostgreSQL/PostGIS tables with OpenJUMP.

If this plugIn is in the OpenJUMP plugIn-directory lib/ext ,
you can read tables with :
File>Open>PostGISOpenWizard 
and write tables with :
File>Save dataset as...
if you choose "PostGIS Table" in "Format:" (ComboBox left up).

Attention! Please use only lower case column names!

You can choose between "New Table", "Overwrite"" and "Insert" mode:

- New Table

  If the table does not exist, it will created.
  If the table does exist, it will deleted and created.
  
- Overwrite

  If the table does not exist, it will created.
  If the table does exist, only the data will deleted (not the whole table)
  and the new data will inserted. The CONSTRAINTs of the table will not changed.
  
  
- Insert

  If the table does exist, only the rows with the same unique column-value
  will updated. Other rows will inserted into the existing dataset.
  So it is better, that the "Unique Column" contains the primary-key of the
  dataset.
  
  If there are any problems please contact:
  
  openjump-us...@googlegroups.com
  
  or

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--- Informations about the OpenJUMP PostGIS PlugIn (2012-01-21)

The JumpPostGIS PlugIn is an extension of the original PostGIS driver 
created by Refractions Research (www.refractions.net) for Jump.

HISTORY

It has been succcessively developped and maintained by
- Chris Hodgson and Paul Ramsey
original developpers
- Uwe Dalluege (uwe.dallu...@hcu-hamburg.de)
feature schema and srid management
better exception handling
- Eric Lemesre (eric.leme...@gmail.com)
integration to new open wizard framework
internationalization
- Michael Michaud (michael.mich...@free.fr)
bug fixes, merge of uwe and eric improvements, i18n error messages

FEATURES

The plugin can
- read features from a table
- create a new table (managing insert in geometry column table)
- update a table using a primary key

TODO (Michaël)

The plugin is partially redundant with core OpenJUMP PostGIS features
Would be useful
- to use core OpenJUMP connection facilities
- to use core OpenJUMP data types mapping facilities
- to add the plugin update/insert feature to OpenJUMP
- to add an option to create an index on feature id and/or on geometry column

RELEASE (Michaël)

Last release is named 1.5.0 as it is synchronized with OpenJUMP 1.5.x
(but it is compatible but previous releases).
Eric upgraded the build system to maven, and used a maven for ant plugin
I just came back to a plain ant build file called build-mm.xml for 1.5.0 release

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Re: [JPP-Devel] Renaming functions and moving menu positions - need for guidelines?

[Rahkonen Jukka]

Hi,

Do I remember right or was there some academic teacher with the discussion back 
then? And the reason for changing some naming and grouping was aiming to better 
match with some OGC document?

I feel it is confusing to have slightly different names for about similar but 
not exactly same operations in ESRI world, OGC definitions etc. 
Union/merge/dissolve is one example that comes to my mind. It may be impossible 
to find an uniform names for everything. Some little example images about 
source layers before operation and after that would be nice to have available 
when selecting the tools and why not a lexicon telling what terms other popular 
softwares are using for the equivalent operation.

I also hope that the menus would not changed very often.

-Jukka Rahkonen-

> -Alkuperäinen viesti-
> Lähettäjä: Stefan Steiniger [mailto:sst...@geo.uzh.ch] 
> Lähetetty: 23. tammikuuta 2012 1:07
> Vastaanottaja: OpenJump develop and use
> Aihe: Re: [JPP-Devel] Renaming functions and moving menu 
> positions - need for guidelines?
> 
> Hi Michael and others,
> 
> Michael, I am not blaming you and I know that you are careful with 
> theses things,... And yes, I know there was no feedback to Noder and 
> Union plugin. Because, I think, it was fine.
> 
> However, for the renaming a while ago.. I was travelling and 
> did not use 
> OJ much since. Though, the original naming was partly from me 
> - and that 
> maybe why I am now "more active" on that too.
> 
> And with respect to your note on that its very short before a major 
> release: Yes, its exactly why I am going trough it - and 
> because I have 
> not seen descriptions of the changes earlier for any of the 
> in-between 
> releases after 1.4.1 and started to look for "Transfer 
> attributes" and 
> the polygon intersection functions in my recent work and when I was 
> trying to update documentation (But of course, maybe I did 
> not read all 
> the change/release notes).
> 
> However, to come to the core points:
> 
> 
> (i) Overlay Polygon Layers.
> I thought about "merge" too, but you are right - its not just putting 
> them together. Though the term "Overlay" is not descriptive 
> at the end, 
> but your argumentation w.r.t. text book definition of overlay is 
> correct. Not sure, maybe we leave it then this way.
> 
> (ii) Spatial Join -> Transfer Attributes to Layer
> as you noticed, its DBMS speak. I really can't see why we 
> should adopt 
> it, because the words "Spatial Join" indicates a "geometry" 
> operation to 
> me. At least we should say "Spatial Join of Attributes" or so.
> 
> (iii) Spatial Join with Aggregation -> Transfer and Aggregate 
> Attributes 
> to Layer
> 
> good comment by you on the aggregation, so I changed my proposal
> 
> (vi) Polygon Intersection (one layer):
> I am going to add that function back - but to the "edit geometry" 
> submenu, as this seems to be the place to make ops within a 
> layer that 
> are related to creating new datasets (well.. holds also for 
> buffer, but...).
> 
> 
> So - for everyone who reads until here:
> please can I ask for the opinion on namening/re-naming back 
> to earlier 
> changes?
> 
> stefan
> 
> Am 22.01.12 15:00, schrieb Michaël Michaud:
> > Hi Stefan,
> >
> > GIS function classification is really a puzzle, and it is quite
> > difficult to make everybody happy, but as I committed most
> > of the changes you're talking about, I'll try to explain, then,
> > we can do any change you guys, want to do.
> >
> > 1 - Announcement, votes and rules are necessary...
> > but can only apply when there is some activity :
> > I really tried to get feedback at the time of the changes
> > you've mentionned, (as far as I can remember 1 or 2
> > persons agreed and no one disagreed).
> >
> > 2 - Menu organisation
> > I'm not completely satisfied with current organisation, but I
> > think it is better now than one year ago.
> > - We find most usual GIS Analysis tools in Tools>Analyis 
> (which is good)
> > except some in Tools>Edit Geometry (which, in my opinion, 
> is not so good)
> > - We removed One Layer/Two Layers submenu. I think this separation
> > made sense, but it was not very user-friendly as the user 
> had to answer
> > one more question before he could find the menu item he was 
> looking for
> > - I have not hesitated much before I changed Run Database 
> query to file
> > menu, because all input/output are in File menu now, 
> including database
> > access, and in my opinion, searching Run Query tool in 
> Layer menu was
> > just a bad habit.
> > Maybe I did not communicate enough about this change though ;o(
> >
> > 3 - Menu item names.
> > I've to be more careful on this subject as my english is not so good
> > However, as I understand gis terms, overlay applies quite well
> > to "Overlay Polygon Layers..." menu item (a bit less to 
> "Overlay...")
> >
> > Some definitions of Overlay :
> > Overlay: A formal geometric intersection between two or 
> 

[JPP-Devel] Tool for correcting topology of a polygon layer

[Rahkonen Jukka]

Hi,

I received a polygon dataset that in not in perfect order. I should make a 
uniform polygon coverage but sometimes the vertices of adjacent polygons does 
not match exactly. Sometimes also one polygon has more vertices than the 
neighbour polygon in the common boundary. Do we already have these tools?

- Compare vertices of neighbouring polygons and adjust the coordinates to 
common value it they are inside a given tolerance distance
- Add new vertises to boundary from the neigbouring polygon if the counterpart 
is missing
- Check overlaps and micropolygons and report them

-Jukka Rahkonen-
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[JPP-Devel] Difference between right click Clone items and replicate-selected-items?

[Rahkonen Jukka]

Hi,

There are two tools in the right click menu which seem to almost the same 
thing. Clone items does not ask anything, it just clones. Are there other 
meaningful differences.

I notices that if I have selected items from many layers the Clone items is 
cloning them all into one of the selected layers. It seems to be usually the 
layer that is highest on the layer legend but not always. Because the behaviour 
is not easy to predict, would it be better to make this tool usable only if 
user has exactly one editable layer selected?

-Jukka Rahkonen-
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Re: [JPP-Devel] Enhancement of raster support: proposed developments

[Alberto De Luca - GeA]

Stefan,

ok, I believe I managed to check out a copy of the source code from SVN 
and set up a NetBeans project (awesome!).

With regards to your questions: we could definitely check if OpenJUMP 
works with the new Sextante releases. I have to say though that I don't 
know much about the Framework you ported from Sextante. But anyway I 
don't see why we shouldn't take the time to check if there is something 
new to be ported to it. The classes involved are the ones contained 
inside the package org.openjump.core.rasterimage.sextante?

Alberto

On 18/01/2012 17:57, Stefan Steiniger wrote:
> Hi Alberto,
>
> well... for SVN we have just the usual rules as for other versioning tools.
> Most important is updating before commits are done, that submitted code
> must work (no missing files or libraries), and that commits are commented.
>
> Btw. the changelog.txt should be updated too when commits are made that:
> - contain new functionality
> - fix a bug
> - change/alter existing code
> or in summary: everything that maybe of importance to/influences the
> work of other developers. So for instance updates of language files do
> not go into changelog, or a change of a variable name, or smaller
> refactoring within a class, or adding a new method within a class when
> you working on functionality. So - something that would be important to
> tell to people in releases for instance.
>
> All commits are send to our svn log email list, to which you can
> subscribe to see what is going on.
>
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-svn-notify
>
>
> Actually I have a question.
> I am not sure how much you would work with the Framework I ported from
> Sextante and its Toolbox capabilities.
> But, I have seen in Victors blog [1] that he made some larger changes to
> the Sextante framework. And I wonder if you would have time to
> a) test if OpenJUMP works with newer Sextante releases (i.e. our
> interface works),
> b) if we should port this changes to  the raster framework (if there are
> some) to OpenJUMP as well.
>
> Though - if you think your work is not concerned by changes on the
> Sextante side or you have no time for such things at all, then maybe
> some day I should check compatibility.
>
> cheers,
> stefan
>
> [1] http://sextantegis.blogspot.com/2011/04/big-changes-in-sextante.html
> see in particular what he writes about: "Algorithm Providers"
>
> On 18/01/2012 1:09 AM, Alberto De Luca - GeA wrote:
>> Michaël,
>>
>> thank you for your reply. As you said I'm fairly familiar with the
>> openjump basecode (well, with some parts of it at least!) but I've never
>> used sourceforge/svn before (we mostly use Mercurial), so I thought
>> maybe there was something to know about it... Anyway, I'll bother the
>> community every time I have a doubt/question :P
>>
>> Thank you
>> Alberto
>>
>> PS:  I will send you a PM with instructions about the AdB-ToolBox
>> activation code
>>
>> On 18/01/2012 00:09, Michaël Michaud wrote:
>>> Hi Alberto,
>>>
>>> You now have full access to the svn
>>> We have not much guidelines.
>>> I suppose you know our wiki and its pages dedicated to developpers :
>>> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/jump-pilot/index.php?title=Developer_Documentation_and_HowTo
>>>
>>> You probably also know how packages are organized, with the original
>>> jump "com" package and the new openjump "org" package, both being
>>> organized in a similar way (more or less), with most new plugins going
>>> now to org.openjump.core.ui.plugin.*. Some parts have been let in
>>> separate packages, but it is not encouraged.
>>>
>>> We have also a (few years old) xml-based mechanism to
>>> activate/deactivate new plugins (default-plugins.xml file).
>>>
>>> I don't know what can be useful to you as you probably already knows how
>>> OpenJUMP is organized quite well.
>>> The best is to share your ideas and your plans so that any experienced
>>> programmers and/or users can give you some hints,
>>> ideas or guidance.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Michaël
>>>
>>> PS - I never could test AdbToolbox because of the activation code needed.
>>> I wrote to the webmaster and get a user name, a password and a tax code,
>>> but could never get an activation code.
>>> I would be pleased if you could help me to get this code (if AdbToolbox
>>> usage
>>> is not restricted).
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 17/01/2012 09:09, Alberto De Luca - GeA a écrit :
 Hey Stefan and Michael,

 thank you for your enthusiasm and trust! Indeed I am still working on
 AdB-ToolBox, and a new version is expected in the next few months, with
 new tools for hydraulics analysis.

 My sourceforge account name is bertazza. Looking forth to start
 submitting some new raster functions! By the way, have you got any
 particular guideline before I start committing code to sourceforge?

 Thanks guys
 Alberto

 On 13/01/2012 22:26, Stefan Steiniger wrote:
>> I did not see your name in the list of OJ authorized commiters.
>