Re: [JPP-Devel] OpenJUMP at FOSSGIS in Berlin

2007-02-28 Thread Ugo Taddei
Hi Larry,

I got a mesg from someone from their team and will include them in the list.

Larry Becker wrote:
> Hi Ugo,
> 
>   You didn't mention Kosmo.  I have just started looking at Kosmo's
> code and it is incredible.  There are 1437 Java files in Kosmo
> compared to 948 in OpenJump, 897 in SkyJUMP, and 775 in JUMP.  Besides
> the new data sources, the most exciting potential seems to be in their
> renderer (which I have not tested yet.)
> 
>   The message I would sound at this conference is that the source code
> finally seems to be available now for anyone with sufficient
> motivation to pull together a FOSS JUMP-based ArcMap killer.

Great! Thanx for the feedback.

Ugo

> 
> regards,
> Larry
> 
> On 2/27/07, Ugo Taddei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I'll be reporting on OpenJUMP and derivates at the FOSSGIS 2007 Conference 
>> next
>> month in Berlin:
>>
>> http://www.fossgis.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page (German, only sorry :-(
>>
>> I'm taking the freedom to speak in name of this group and I'll be happy to
>> include and mention any JUMP/OpenJUMP. So far I have
>>
>> JUMP
>> OpenJUMP
>> SkyJUMP
>> The French connection? (Arnaud, R1, Michaël) Have you still got an official 
>> version?
>> PIROL
>> deeJUMP
>>
>> Have I forgot something?
>>
>> Oh, yes, and if any one has anything to say and would like me to, speak out 
>> loud
>> now, or wait till next year :-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ugo
>>
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Re: [JPP-Devel] OpenJUMP at FOSSGIS in Berlin

2007-02-27 Thread Sunburned Surveyor

Does this mean that Kosmo implemented there own rendering logic? I think
that is the path that UDig took, and I think it would be a real
pain-in-the-neck to duplicate. Not to mention the fact that using the Java
2D API makes it easier for programmers to tool around with OpenJUMP's
rendering system because they don't have to learn a bunch of custom code. We
should also have an easier time reaping the benefits of improvements to Java
2D in the future.

I think UDig went this approach because they were using SWT, but David can
probably enlighten us on that.

The Sunburned Surveyor

P.S. - Larry noted the great deal of code added to Kosmo. I don't think
there is any doubt these guys are doing a lot of work with OpenJUMP, but we
should remember that quantity doesn't always mean quality. I should have
mentioned this on my previous message.


On 2/27/07, David Zwiers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Some explanation may have to do with the rendering technology used: Jump
uses Java 2D while Geotools (kosmos / udig) use direct draw (if I recall
correctly).

David

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Becker
Sent: February 27, 2007 4:18 PM
To: List for discussion of JPP development and use.
Subject: Re: [JPP-Devel] OpenJUMP at FOSSGIS in Berlin

I can't explain it, but I can benchmark it.  For the burlulc.shp
redraw render speed benchmark (not counting time to load shape file):

No color theming.
uDig: 3 seconds.
Kosmo: 5 seconds.
gvSIG:   9 seconds.
OpenJump, SkyJUMP: 13 seconds.

with color theming on LUCODE
uDig: 6 seconds.
Kosmo: 8 seconds.
OpenJump, SkyJUMP: 13 seconds.

Kosmo_0.8.3_windows feels more responsive than OpenJump, and even uDig
because of the very quick screen update cycle.

regards,
Larry

On 2/27/07, Stefan Steiniger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hei guys,
>
>  > Besides
> > the new data sources, the most exciting potential seems to be in their
> > renderer (which I have not tested yet.)
>
> i actually wondered what is the advance of heaving separate renderers
> for points, lines and polygons???
>
> can somebody explain this?
>
> btw: if we would have a team of 5 developer..? dont know how far we
> could be. Actually i guess on Jump were working only 3 people?
>
> stefan
>
> >   The message I would sound at this conference is that the source code
> > finally seems to be available now for anyone with sufficient
> > motivation to pull together a FOSS JUMP-based ArcMap killer.
> >
> > regards,
> > Larry
> >
> > On 2/27/07, Ugo Taddei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> I'll be reporting on OpenJUMP and derivates at the FOSSGIS 2007
Conference next
> >> month in Berlin:
> >>
> >> http://www.fossgis.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page (German, only sorry
:-(
> >>
> >> I'm taking the freedom to speak in name of this group and I'll be
happy to
> >> include and mention any JUMP/OpenJUMP. So far I have
> >>
> >> JUMP
> >> OpenJUMP
> >> SkyJUMP
> >> The French connection? (Arnaud, R1, Michaël) Have you still got an
official version?
> >> PIROL
> >> deeJUMP
> >>
> >> Have I forgot something?
> >>
> >> Oh, yes, and if any one has anything to say and would like me to,
speak out loud
> >> now, or wait till next year :-)
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Ugo
> >>
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Re: [JPP-Devel] OpenJUMP at FOSSGIS in Berlin

2007-02-27 Thread David Zwiers
Some explanation may have to do with the rendering technology used: Jump uses 
Java 2D while Geotools (kosmos / udig) use direct draw (if I recall correctly). 

David

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Becker
Sent: February 27, 2007 4:18 PM
To: List for discussion of JPP development and use.
Subject: Re: [JPP-Devel] OpenJUMP at FOSSGIS in Berlin

I can't explain it, but I can benchmark it.  For the burlulc.shp
redraw render speed benchmark (not counting time to load shape file):

No color theming.
uDig: 3 seconds.
Kosmo: 5 seconds.
gvSIG:   9 seconds.
OpenJump, SkyJUMP: 13 seconds.

with color theming on LUCODE
uDig: 6 seconds.
Kosmo: 8 seconds.
OpenJump, SkyJUMP: 13 seconds.

Kosmo_0.8.3_windows feels more responsive than OpenJump, and even uDig
because of the very quick screen update cycle.

regards,
Larry

On 2/27/07, Stefan Steiniger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hei guys,
>
>  > Besides
> > the new data sources, the most exciting potential seems to be in their
> > renderer (which I have not tested yet.)
>
> i actually wondered what is the advance of heaving separate renderers
> for points, lines and polygons???
>
> can somebody explain this?
>
> btw: if we would have a team of 5 developer..? dont know how far we
> could be. Actually i guess on Jump were working only 3 people?
>
> stefan
>
> >   The message I would sound at this conference is that the source code
> > finally seems to be available now for anyone with sufficient
> > motivation to pull together a FOSS JUMP-based ArcMap killer.
> >
> > regards,
> > Larry
> >
> > On 2/27/07, Ugo Taddei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> I'll be reporting on OpenJUMP and derivates at the FOSSGIS 2007 Conference 
> >> next
> >> month in Berlin:
> >>
> >> http://www.fossgis.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page (German, only sorry :-(
> >>
> >> I'm taking the freedom to speak in name of this group and I'll be happy to
> >> include and mention any JUMP/OpenJUMP. So far I have
> >>
> >> JUMP
> >> OpenJUMP
> >> SkyJUMP
> >> The French connection? (Arnaud, R1, Michaël) Have you still got an 
> >> official version?
> >> PIROL
> >> deeJUMP
> >>
> >> Have I forgot something?
> >>
> >> Oh, yes, and if any one has anything to say and would like me to, speak 
> >> out loud
> >> now, or wait till next year :-)
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Ugo
> >>
> >> --
> >> l a t / l o n  GmbH
> >> Aennchenstrasse 19   53177 Bonn, Germany
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Re: [JPP-Devel] OpenJUMP at FOSSGIS in Berlin

2007-02-27 Thread Sunburned Surveyor

Larry,

You make some interesting comments about Kosmo. We definitely need to see
what we can do to work more closely with their team of developers.

I haven't forgotten what I said previously about encouraging more
collaborative development, and I hope to be doing some work in this area of
the course of the next couple weeks.

The Sunburned Surveyor


On 2/27/07, Larry Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I can't explain it, but I can benchmark it.  For the burlulc.shp
redraw render speed benchmark (not counting time to load shape file):

No color theming.
uDig: 3 seconds.
Kosmo: 5 seconds.
gvSIG:   9 seconds.
OpenJump, SkyJUMP: 13 seconds.

with color theming on LUCODE
uDig: 6 seconds.
Kosmo: 8 seconds.
OpenJump, SkyJUMP: 13 seconds.

Kosmo_0.8.3_windows feels more responsive than OpenJump, and even uDig
because of the very quick screen update cycle.

regards,
Larry

On 2/27/07, Stefan Steiniger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hei guys,
>
>  > Besides
> > the new data sources, the most exciting potential seems to be in their
> > renderer (which I have not tested yet.)
>
> i actually wondered what is the advance of heaving separate renderers
> for points, lines and polygons???
>
> can somebody explain this?
>
> btw: if we would have a team of 5 developer..? dont know how far we
> could be. Actually i guess on Jump were working only 3 people?
>
> stefan
>
> >   The message I would sound at this conference is that the source code
> > finally seems to be available now for anyone with sufficient
> > motivation to pull together a FOSS JUMP-based ArcMap killer.
> >
> > regards,
> > Larry
> >
> > On 2/27/07, Ugo Taddei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> I'll be reporting on OpenJUMP and derivates at the FOSSGIS 2007
Conference next
> >> month in Berlin:
> >>
> >> http://www.fossgis.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page (German, only sorry
:-(
> >>
> >> I'm taking the freedom to speak in name of this group and I'll be
happy to
> >> include and mention any JUMP/OpenJUMP. So far I have
> >>
> >> JUMP
> >> OpenJUMP
> >> SkyJUMP
> >> The French connection? (Arnaud, R1, Michaël) Have you still got an
official version?
> >> PIROL
> >> deeJUMP
> >>
> >> Have I forgot something?
> >>
> >> Oh, yes, and if any one has anything to say and would like me to,
speak out loud
> >> now, or wait till next year :-)
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Ugo
> >>
> >> --
> >> l a t / l o n  GmbH
> >> Aennchenstrasse 19   53177 Bonn, Germany
> >> phone ++49 +228 184960   fax ++49 +228 1849629
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Re: [JPP-Devel] OpenJUMP at FOSSGIS in Berlin

2007-02-27 Thread Larry Becker
I can't explain it, but I can benchmark it.  For the burlulc.shp
redraw render speed benchmark (not counting time to load shape file):

No color theming.
uDig: 3 seconds.
Kosmo: 5 seconds.
gvSIG:   9 seconds.
OpenJump, SkyJUMP: 13 seconds.

with color theming on LUCODE
uDig: 6 seconds.
Kosmo: 8 seconds.
OpenJump, SkyJUMP: 13 seconds.

Kosmo_0.8.3_windows feels more responsive than OpenJump, and even uDig
because of the very quick screen update cycle.

regards,
Larry

On 2/27/07, Stefan Steiniger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hei guys,
>
>  > Besides
> > the new data sources, the most exciting potential seems to be in their
> > renderer (which I have not tested yet.)
>
> i actually wondered what is the advance of heaving separate renderers
> for points, lines and polygons???
>
> can somebody explain this?
>
> btw: if we would have a team of 5 developer..? dont know how far we
> could be. Actually i guess on Jump were working only 3 people?
>
> stefan
>
> >   The message I would sound at this conference is that the source code
> > finally seems to be available now for anyone with sufficient
> > motivation to pull together a FOSS JUMP-based ArcMap killer.
> >
> > regards,
> > Larry
> >
> > On 2/27/07, Ugo Taddei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> I'll be reporting on OpenJUMP and derivates at the FOSSGIS 2007 Conference 
> >> next
> >> month in Berlin:
> >>
> >> http://www.fossgis.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page (German, only sorry :-(
> >>
> >> I'm taking the freedom to speak in name of this group and I'll be happy to
> >> include and mention any JUMP/OpenJUMP. So far I have
> >>
> >> JUMP
> >> OpenJUMP
> >> SkyJUMP
> >> The French connection? (Arnaud, R1, Michaël) Have you still got an 
> >> official version?
> >> PIROL
> >> deeJUMP
> >>
> >> Have I forgot something?
> >>
> >> Oh, yes, and if any one has anything to say and would like me to, speak 
> >> out loud
> >> now, or wait till next year :-)
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Ugo
> >>
> >> --
> >> l a t / l o n  GmbH
> >> Aennchenstrasse 19   53177 Bonn, Germany
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Re: [JPP-Devel] OpenJUMP at FOSSGIS in Berlin

2007-02-27 Thread Stefan Steiniger
Hei guys,

 > Besides
> the new data sources, the most exciting potential seems to be in their
> renderer (which I have not tested yet.)

i actually wondered what is the advance of heaving separate renderers 
for points, lines and polygons???

can somebody explain this?

btw: if we would have a team of 5 developer..? dont know how far we 
could be. Actually i guess on Jump were working only 3 people?

stefan

>   The message I would sound at this conference is that the source code
> finally seems to be available now for anyone with sufficient
> motivation to pull together a FOSS JUMP-based ArcMap killer.
> 
> regards,
> Larry
> 
> On 2/27/07, Ugo Taddei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I'll be reporting on OpenJUMP and derivates at the FOSSGIS 2007 Conference 
>> next
>> month in Berlin:
>>
>> http://www.fossgis.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page (German, only sorry :-(
>>
>> I'm taking the freedom to speak in name of this group and I'll be happy to
>> include and mention any JUMP/OpenJUMP. So far I have
>>
>> JUMP
>> OpenJUMP
>> SkyJUMP
>> The French connection? (Arnaud, R1, Michaël) Have you still got an official 
>> version?
>> PIROL
>> deeJUMP
>>
>> Have I forgot something?
>>
>> Oh, yes, and if any one has anything to say and would like me to, speak out 
>> loud
>> now, or wait till next year :-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ugo
>>
>> --
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Re: [JPP-Devel] OpenJUMP at FOSSGIS in Berlin

2007-02-27 Thread Larry Becker
Hi Ugo,

  You didn't mention Kosmo.  I have just started looking at Kosmo's
code and it is incredible.  There are 1437 Java files in Kosmo
compared to 948 in OpenJump, 897 in SkyJUMP, and 775 in JUMP.  Besides
the new data sources, the most exciting potential seems to be in their
renderer (which I have not tested yet.)

  The message I would sound at this conference is that the source code
finally seems to be available now for anyone with sufficient
motivation to pull together a FOSS JUMP-based ArcMap killer.

regards,
Larry

On 2/27/07, Ugo Taddei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'll be reporting on OpenJUMP and derivates at the FOSSGIS 2007 Conference 
> next
> month in Berlin:
>
> http://www.fossgis.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page (German, only sorry :-(
>
> I'm taking the freedom to speak in name of this group and I'll be happy to
> include and mention any JUMP/OpenJUMP. So far I have
>
> JUMP
> OpenJUMP
> SkyJUMP
> The French connection? (Arnaud, R1, Michaël) Have you still got an official 
> version?
> PIROL
> deeJUMP
>
> Have I forgot something?
>
> Oh, yes, and if any one has anything to say and would like me to, speak out 
> loud
> now, or wait till next year :-)
>
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Re: [JPP-Devel] OpenJUMP at FOSSGIS in Berlin

2007-02-27 Thread erwan bocher

Hi Ugo,

How are u ?

The french connection is come back.

We started a document to list some openjump improvements. I don't if I have
already informed you.

The doc is available on google doc. Do u have a gmail account ?

R1.


On 2/27/07, Ugo Taddei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello everyone,

I'll be reporting on OpenJUMP and derivates at the FOSSGIS 2007 Conference
next
month in Berlin:

http://www.fossgis.de/wiki/index.php/Main_Page (German, only sorry :-(

I'm taking the freedom to speak in name of this group and I'll be happy to
include and mention any JUMP/OpenJUMP. So far I have

JUMP
OpenJUMP
SkyJUMP
The French connection? (Arnaud, R1, Michaël) Have you still got an
official version?
PIROL
deeJUMP

Have I forgot something?

Oh, yes, and if any one has anything to say and would like me to, speak
out loud
now, or wait till next year :-)

Cheers,

Ugo

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