Re: [j-nsp] MX80 Q-in-Q

2013-01-21 Thread sthaug
 Does MX ambiguous vlan?

Please rephrase the question.

If you're asking whether the MX80 supports dual tagged Ethernet
traffic, the answer is yes. E.g.

ge-1/0/0 {
flexible-vlan-tagging;
encapsulation flexible-ethernet-services;
unit 11 {
vlan-tags outer 1063 inner 900;
family inet {
address 10.9.130.1/30;
}
}
}

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[j-nsp] IP monitoring on SRX 240 Cluster

2013-01-21 Thread Bikash Bhattarai
Dear all,

I have configured srx 240 cluster. Ip monitoring for cluster failover is
not working. What are the suitable values for the ip monitoring. My
configurations are as below. I am using JUNOS 11.2 .  Is there any
modifications required ?

redundancy-group 1 {
node 0 priority 130;
node 1 priority 129;
preempt;
interface-monitor {
ge-0/0/4 weight 255;
ge-5/0/4 weight 255;
ge-0/0/5 weight 255;
ge-5/0/5 weight 255;
ge-0/0/7 weight 255;
ge-5/0/7 weight 255;
ge-0/0/8 weight 255;
ge-5/0/8 weight 255;
ge-0/0/9 weight 255;
ge-5/0/9 weight 255;
ge-0/0/10 weight 255;
ge-5/0/10 weight 255;
ge-0/0/11 weight 255;
ge-5/0/11 weight 255;
ge-0/0/6 weight 255;
ge-5/0/6 weight 255;
ge-0/0/3 weight 255;
ge-5/0/3 weight 255;
}
ip-monitoring {
global-weight 255;
global-threshold 155;
retry-interval 3;
retry-count 10;
family {
inet {
192.168.X.1 {
weight 155;
interface reth9.0 secondary-ip-address 192.168.x.2;
}
}
}
}
}

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Re: [j-nsp] Junos labeled-unicast announces unusable routes, certainly this is a bug

2013-01-21 Thread Alex Arseniev
Probably not what you want to hear at the moment but it is working as 
designed.
There is nothing in BGP RFCs which mandate that BGP-LU _must_ consult 
LDP/RSVP/LFIB etc before announcing routes.
To force BGP-LU to consult LDP/RSVP and automatically advertise/withdraw 
routes matching LSP endpoints, use combination of:
1/ mpls traffic-engineering bgp-igp-both-ribs (installs LDP/RSVP routes in 
inet.0 and in inet.3)
2/ BGP-LU export policy which exports LDP/RSVP routes as well as own 
loopback (all of them are in inet.0 as a result of [1] above)
3/ resolve-vpn under BGP LU family which causes received BGP-LU routes to 
install in both inet.0 and inet.3, for inet-vpn NH resolution

HTH
Thanks
Alex



- Original Message - 
From: Jeff Wheeler j...@inconcepts.biz

To: juniper-nsp juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:25 AM
Subject: [j-nsp] Junos labeled-unicast announces unusable routes,certainly 
this is a bug




Dear List,

The process of raising a PR with JTAC generally makes me want to scream, 
so

I thought I would post first, and perhaps some kind Juniper person can
input a PR# without me having to reproduce the problem again and jump
through twenty hoops to later be told working as designed.

When configuring BGP labeled-unicast on Junos, you might think (like I
hoped) that you could use LDP to create FECs and allocate labels, and then
use those labels in your MP-BGP session.  Unfortunately this does not 
work,

and the basic reason is Junos BGP wants to allocate its own labels, and
won't consult the LDP FEC table to see if any already exist for a given
protocol next-hop which is being announced to the neighbor.  Fine, so it
wants to allocate its own labels.

However, trying to avoid this behavior, I found it's pretty easy to get
Junos to announce broken labeled-unicast routes that can never work, even
though the receiving BGP speaker has no idea they are invalid.  The
receiver will just install the routes, forward traffic, and the traffic
will get blackholed.

This happens because Junos is trying to announce NLRI with no allocated
labels (because layer-3 next-hop is not self) and it can't announce them
when labeled-unicast is configured, because the documentation is wrong, 
and

you canNOT actually configure both AFI=1 SAFI=1 and AFI=1 SAFI=4 on the
same BGP session.  It simply does not work, and the Juniper documentation
on this subject is incorrect.

So what happens is, the announcing router knows it wants to announce a
prefix, but it has no label stack for it, won't allocate one, and instead
it just puts in label 1048575, or 2^20-1.  This label is not in the LFIB,
so when that router receives packets with that label, it doesn't pop the
label and do a layer-3 look-up.  Instead, it just discards the packets.

Worse than that, the announcing router's `show route advertising-protocol
bgp neighbor` output is incorrect.  It shows no label, even though it
really is sending a label stack with 2^20-1.  You have to go over to the
receiving router to find this out.

So this combination of documentation bugs and ridiculous Junos ability to
announce labeled BGP routes that it knows for sure are invalid, is quite
foolish, to say nothing of the fact that it won't just use FECs you 
already

created using LDP. :/

Anyway, if you ever get labeled BGP routes with label 2^20-1, this might 
be

why.  Hopefully some kind Juniper folks will be willing to file some bugs
on this for me, because I don't have a week to fight with JTAC about it. 
It

is, however, very easy to reproduce the problem. :-)

Thanks
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Re: [j-nsp] SCBE-MX XE XFP socket

2013-01-21 Thread Jerry Jones
It is for timing.


On Jan 14, 2013, at 7:01 AM, Leigh Porter leigh.por...@ukbroadband.com wrote:

Hey All,

Does anybody know what the XE XFP socket on the SCBE-MX for? I cannot find any 
documentation about it anywhere.

It's on the end of the card next to the clock interface.

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Re: [j-nsp] Junos labeled-unicast announces unusable routes, certainly this is a bug

2013-01-21 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Alex Arseniev alex.arsen...@gmail.com wrote:
 Probably not what you want to hear at the moment but it is working as
 designed.

No, it isn't.

Junos BGP is announcing routes it knows, for sure, are invalid.  It
knows that because BGP is making up a wrong label (2^20-1) because it
hasn't allocated one, and it can't announce the route without a label.
 This is an inexcusable bug that is very far from working as
designed.

The documentation is wrong, you cannot configure both AFI=1 SAFI=1 and
AFI=1 SAFI=4 on the same BGP session.  If it worked as documented, the
above behavior would not happen, and AFI=1 SAFI=1 would be available
to use for these routes.  That is not the case.

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[j-nsp] (no subject)

2013-01-21 Thread Shiva S Narayana

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Re: [j-nsp] Junos labeled-unicast announces unusable routes, certainly this is a bug

2013-01-21 Thread Krasimir Avramski
You CAN configure both AFI=1 SAFI=1 and AFI=1 SAFI=4 on the same BGP
session by specifying inet.3 for labeled-unicast routes:
family inet {
unicast;
labeled-unicast {
rib {
inet.3;
}
}
}


And redistributing LDP/RSVP routes from inet.3 makes perfect LSP stitching
through BGP-LU by label swapping.

Best Regards,
Krasi

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Jeff Wheeler j...@inconcepts.biz wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Alex Arseniev alex.arsen...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Probably not what you want to hear at the moment but it is working as
  designed.

 No, it isn't.

 Junos BGP is announcing routes it knows, for sure, are invalid.  It
 knows that because BGP is making up a wrong label (2^20-1) because it
 hasn't allocated one, and it can't announce the route without a label.
  This is an inexcusable bug that is very far from working as
 designed.

 The documentation is wrong, you cannot configure both AFI=1 SAFI=1 and
 AFI=1 SAFI=4 on the same BGP session.  If it worked as documented, the
 above behavior would not happen, and AFI=1 SAFI=1 would be available
 to use for these routes.  That is not the case.

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Re: [j-nsp] MX80 Q-in-Q

2013-01-21 Thread Brandon Ross

On Mon, 21 Jan 2013, lppmas...@yandex.ru wrote:


Does MX ambiguous vlan?


Do you ambiguous questions ask?

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Re: [j-nsp] Any word on MX80 MS-DPC?

2013-01-21 Thread Richard Hesse
OK, thanks for the responses everyone!

-richard


On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 8:36 AM, David Kotlerewsky webnet...@gmail.comwrote:

 Bet on the price being the same for the MS-MPC as the MS-DPC, as the
 MS-MPC is the replacement for the aging MS-DPC. The MS-MIC will probably be
 cheaper, but also less powerful since its a smaller form factor, and goes
 into a less powerful box.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 18, 2013, at 5:21 PM, OBrien, Will obri...@missouri.edu wrote:

  Interesting. My ms-dpc were very pricy. It'll be interesting to see a
 price on that one.
 
  Will
 
  On Jan 18, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Richard Hesse richard.he...@weebly.com
 wrote:
 
  This product was slated to be released in 2012 according to a few KB
 docs
  on juniper.net, but 2012 has come and gone without the release of some
 sort
  of MS-DPC card. Anyone know if this has been killed off or if it will
  actually ship in 2013? TIA.
 
  -richard
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Re: [j-nsp] Junos labeled-unicast announces unusable routes,

2013-01-21 Thread Phil Bedard
 certainly this is a bug
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I see someone beat me to it but you can specifying inet.3. The docs on
this stuff are really poor but that is how you would want to do it so
you know known MPLS destinations are being advertised. Now if you want
to advertise non MPLS destinations as labeled unicast it does work as
well, nothing says it has to be MPLS switched on the advertising router.

Phil From: Jeff Wheeler
Sent: =E2=80=8E1/=E2=80=8E21/=E2=80=8E2013 6:05
To: Alex Arseniev
Cc: juniper-nsp
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Junos labeled-unicast announces unusable routes,
certainly this is a bug
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Alex Arseniev alex.arsen...@gmail.com wr=
ote:
 Probably not what you want to hear at the moment but it is working as
 designed.

No, it isn't.

Junos BGP is announcing routes it knows, for sure, are invalid.  It
knows that because BGP is making up a wrong label (2^20-1) because it
hasn't allocated one, and it can't announce the route without a label.
 This is an inexcusable bug that is very far from working as
designed.

The documentation is wrong, you cannot configure both AFI=3D1 SAFI=3D1 and
AFI=3D1 SAFI=3D4 on the same BGP session.  If it worked as documented, the
above behavior would not happen, and AFI=3D1 SAFI=3D1 would be available
to use for these routes.  That is not the case.

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Re: [j-nsp] (no subject)

2013-01-21 Thread Shiva S Narayana

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[j-nsp] Redundancy with MX

2013-01-21 Thread Markus H
Hi,

I wonder what kind of redundancy the community would prefer for
small-medium sized PoPs.
This is what I have come up with so far:

a) 2xMX80
Pro: Two seperate devices so less prone to config errors and chassis failure
Con: Using redundant uplinks is more complicated (LB would need to be
done via routing protocol)

b) 1xMX240/480 with redundant SCB and RE
Pro: Easier to use redundant uplinks (LACP)
Con: Config error as well as chassis failure brings the whole PoP down

Any further arguments? Best practices? What did you deploy?


Best regards,
Markus
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Re: [j-nsp] Redundancy with MX

2013-01-21 Thread Andre Christian
Marcus - I am building about 10 PoPs and opted for the dual mx-80 design. Also 
looked at making the PoPs all layer 2 with a pair of exs. 

Plan to use MC-LAG where applicable.

On Jan 21, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Markus H hauschild.mar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I wonder what kind of redundancy the community would prefer for
 small-medium sized PoPs.
 This is what I have come up with so far:
 
 a) 2xMX80
 Pro: Two seperate devices so less prone to config errors and chassis failure
 Con: Using redundant uplinks is more complicated (LB would need to be
 done via routing protocol)
 
 b) 1xMX240/480 with redundant SCB and RE
 Pro: Easier to use redundant uplinks (LACP)
 Con: Config error as well as chassis failure brings the whole PoP down
 
 Any further arguments? Best practices? What did you deploy?
 
 
 Best regards,
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Re: [j-nsp] Redundancy with MX

2013-01-21 Thread Gavin Henry
Any constraints? Power? Bandwidth? What's the driver/function?

Thanks. 

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On 21 Jan 2013, at 20:40, Markus H hauschild.mar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I wonder what kind of redundancy the community would prefer for
 small-medium sized PoPs.
 This is what I have come up with so far:
 
 a) 2xMX80
 Pro: Two seperate devices so less prone to config errors and chassis failure
 Con: Using redundant uplinks is more complicated (LB would need to be
 done via routing protocol)
 
 b) 1xMX240/480 with redundant SCB and RE
 Pro: Easier to use redundant uplinks (LACP)
 Con: Config error as well as chassis failure brings the whole PoP down
 
 Any further arguments? Best practices? What did you deploy?
 
 
 Best regards,
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[j-nsp] Fwd: MX80 Q-in-Q

2013-01-21 Thread lppmas...@yandex.ru
Thanks for the reply.
I need to terminate Q-in-Q with multiple internal tags.
inner-list
Junos 11.4R1.14
Allows you to create only if the interface will be family bridge,
I need a L3 interface.

21.01.2013, 18:55, sth...@nethelp.no sth...@nethelp.no:

    Does MX ambiguous vlan?
    Please rephrase the question.

    If you're asking whether the MX80 supports dual port Ethernet
    traffic, the answer is yes. E.g.

    ge-1/0/0 {
    flexible-vlan-tagging;
    encapsulation flexible ethernet services;
    unit 11 {
    vlan tags outer 1063 inner 900;
    family inet {
    address 10.9.130.1/30;
    }
    }
    }

    Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth...@nethelp.no

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[j-nsp] Junos 12.3 Release Date

2013-01-21 Thread Caillin Bathern
Hi all,

Does anyone have a release date for 12.3 (real 12.3, not SRX special X
releases)?

The last I heard from Juniper was before the end of 2012...

Cheers,
Caillin

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Re: [j-nsp] Fwd: MX80 Q-in-Q

2013-01-21 Thread Bjørn Skovlund
Your question is still a bit ambiguous.

If you have an inner-list and want to bind it to a L3 interface, then you
need to make a bridge domain and attach the IRB to that.

Alternatively, depending on what you want, we're doing something along the
lines of the below, where we bind customers together in DHCP groups and
relay them to a DHCP server with option-82, so we know which customer gets
what IP - again, not sure if it's customers or what that you're trying to
stitch together ;-)

Cheers, Bjørn

unit 301 {
proxy-arp restricted;
vlan-tags outer 1198 inner 42;
family inet {
mac-validate strict;
unnumbered-address lo0.0 preferred-source-address x.x.x.x;
}
}

and under forwarding-options dhcp-relay:
group data {
active-server-group data;
overrides {
always-write-option-82;
}
relay-option-82 {
circuit-id {
use-interface-description logical;
}
}
interface ge-0/0/0.301;
..
}



On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 11:23 PM, lppmas...@yandex.ru lppmas...@ya.ruwrote:

 Thanks for the reply.
 I need to terminate Q-in-Q with multiple internal tags.
 inner-list
 Junos 11.4R1.14
 Allows you to create only if the interface will be family bridge,
 I need a L3 interface.

 21.01.2013, 18:55, sth...@nethelp.no sth...@nethelp.no:

 Does MX ambiguous vlan?
 Please rephrase the question.
 
 If you're asking whether the MX80 supports dual port Ethernet
 traffic, the answer is yes. E.g.
 
 ge-1/0/0 {
 flexible-vlan-tagging;
 encapsulation flexible ethernet services;
 unit 11 {
 vlan tags outer 1063 inner 900;
 family inet {
 address 10.9.130.1/30;
 }
 }
 }
 
 Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth...@nethelp.no

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[j-nsp] RE : Junos 12.3 Release Date

2013-01-21 Thread louis.poncin
It should be issued by the end of the month (31st)...

Caillin Bathern caill...@commtelns.com a écrit :
Hi all,

Does anyone have a release date for 12.3 (real 12.3, not SRX special X
releases)?

The last I heard from Juniper was before the end of 2012...

Cheers,
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Re: [j-nsp] Redundancy with MX

2013-01-21 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2013-01-21 21:40 +0100), Markus H wrote:

 I wonder what kind of redundancy the community would prefer for
 small-medium sized PoPs.
 
 a) 2xMX80
 b) 1xMX240/480 with redundant SCB and RE

a) no question. As long as you can live with modest RE performance of MX80.
Routing separated two units always better than stateful single unit.

Frankly, I'm not sure if dual RE even delivers better MTBF, since it does
expose you to new issues, even outside HW failures. It probably does
deliver you better MTTR though.


jabbering:
I've been installing 8 MX960 in last week and this week, 5/8 of them
suffered from some type of FW misprogram. They were delivered with export
software, so field-tech pushed template config, disabled lo0 filter and
enabled telnet, to allow remote management.
After remotely over telnet upgrading RE (no ISSU) and swapping or reloading
master RE, I found that RE filter was again enabled, even though it was not
seen in config I could observe my telnet packets hitting discard term
couter of filter which wasn't on any interface.
Fix was 'commit full'. I've seen other issues too, affecting transit
traffic too, post-upgrade.

I've not yet lost RE due to HW failure though.
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