Re: [j-nsp] jtree0 Memory full on MX480?

2015-07-21 Thread Phil Rosenthal
Over the years, we have run into a couple of issues that translated to either 
exhausting FPC memory or corrupting the JTree. Currently, life is good on 
13.3R6, which we run on all MX's globally. I haven't run into this specific 
issue, and I am just assuming that behavior is improved.

Best Regards,
-Phil
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:49 PM, Jeff Meyers jeff.mey...@gmx.net wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 yes, an upgrade is absolutely possible but since there are no major issues 
 with that release, we didn't do that yet. Are you just assuming a newer 
 software improves that or did Juniper really do something on that side?
 
 
 Best,
 Jeff
 
 Am 22.07.2015 um 02:45 schrieb Phil Rosenthal:
 Disabling Basic-Table certainly bought you some time.
 
 Agree that it still does not look good. I suspect that you are running into 
 a software issue.  11.4 is no longer a supported version, 12.3 is the 
 minimum supported today, with 13.3R6 as the recommended version.  Is it 
 possible for you to upgrade?
 
 Best Regards,
 -Phil
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 7:23 PM, Jeff Meyers jeff.mey...@gmx.net wrote:
 
 Hi Phil,
 
 sure:
 
 
 {master}
 jeff@cr0 show configuration | display set | match rpf-check
 
 {master}
 nico@FRA4.cr0 show version
 Hostname: cr0
 Model: mx480
 JUNOS Base OS boot [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Base OS Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Kernel Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Crypto Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Packet Forwarding Engine Support (M/T Common) [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Packet Forwarding Engine Support (MX Common) [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Online Documentation [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Voice Services Container package [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Border Gateway Function package [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services AACL Container package [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services LL-PDF Container package [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services PTSP Container package [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services Stateful Firewall [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services NAT [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services Application Level Gateways [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services Captive Portal and Content Delivery Container package 
 [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services RPM [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services HTTP Content Management package [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS AppId Services [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS IDP Services [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services Crypto [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services SSL [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services IPSec [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Runtime Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Routing Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
 
 {master}
 nico@FRA4.cr0 show route summary
 Autonomous system number: X
 Router ID: A.B.C.D
 
 inet.0: 546231 destinations, 1747898 routes (545029 active, 11 holddown, 
 2994 hidden)
  Direct:   1143 routes,   1140 active
   Local:   1144 routes,   1144 active
OSPF: 81 routes, 18 active
 BGP: 1745429 routes, 542631 active
  Static:100 routes, 95 active
IGMP:  1 routes,  1 active
 
 Basic-Table.inet.0: 212783 destinations, 215070 routes (212778 active, 5 
 holddown, 0 hidden)
  Direct:   2283 routes,   1140 active
   Local:   2288 routes,   1144 active
OSPF: 17 routes, 17 active
 BGP: 210387 routes, 210382 active
  Static: 95 routes, 95 active
 
 inet6.0: 23331 destinations, 39242 routes (23330 active, 1 holddown, 113 
 hidden)
  Direct:451 routes,368 active
   Local:373 routes,373 active
   OSPF3:  9 routes,  9 active
 BGP:  38399 routes,  22571 active
  Static: 10 routes,  9 active
 
 Basic-Table.inet6.0: 12295 destinations, 12295 routes (12292 active, 3 
 holddown, 0 hidden)
  Direct:366 routes,366 active
   Local:373 routes,373 active
   OSPF3:  8 routes,  8 active
 BGP:  11539 routes,  11536 active
  Static:  9 routes,  9 active
 
 {master}
 
 
 I actually thought this Basic-Table was inactive. It is not so I'm going 
 to deactive it now. Since it was holding  200k routes, this is for sure a 
 lot. Doing that made the syslog message disappear but it didn't actually 
 free up as much as I was hoping for:
 
 GOT: Jtree memory segment 0 (Context: 0x44976cc8)
 GOT: ---
 GOT: Memory Statistics:
 GOT:16777216 bytes total
 GOT:14613176 bytes used
 GOT: 2145824 bytes available (865792 bytes from free pages)
 GOT:3024 bytes wasted
 GOT:   15192 bytes unusable
 GOT:   32768 pages total
 GOT:6338 pages used (2568 pages used in page alloc)
 GOT:   24739 pages partially used
 GOT:1691 pages free (max contiguous = 380)
 
 
 Still doesn't look to glorious, right?
 
 
 Best,
 Jeff
 
 
 Am 22.07.2015 um 01:06 schrieb Phil Rosenthal:
 Can you paste the output of these commands:
 show conf | display set | match rpf-check
 show ver
 show route sum
 
 DPC should have enough memory for ~1M FIB.  This can get divided in half 
 if you 

Re: [j-nsp] Proper Break of MPLS RSVP Ring

2015-07-21 Thread Levi Pederson
Chris,

I do understand.  My initial thoughts were all theoretical.  Helping me
understand RSVP and the MPLS more.  With some help I did discover i had a
typo between the links forcing them not to pull up any protocol even OSPF
(my internal MPLS routing).  So my entire config was right but I had that
one mistake.

Thank you all to those who provided their two cents and more.

Thank you,


*Levi Pederson*
Mankato Networks LLC
cell | 612.481.0769
work | 612.787.7392
levipeder...@mankatonetworks.net


On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Chris Kawchuk juniperd...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Post relevant configs and an actual diagram (Visio - PDF)

 Without this, anything we say is pure speculation -- and we end up playing
 '20 questions' with you. Getting an MPLS/RSVP/LDP/IGP/BGP/Mesh/TE network
 setup involves multiple steps and config-knobs being turned on and turned
 on correctly. Missing any one of them can result in undesirable behaviour.

 1. RSVP priority/preference (?) has no bearing on forming an MPLS
 forwarding path adjacent between two LSRs.

 2. There is no break in an MPLS network if it happens to be attached in
 a ring. This is not Spanning Tree. You have a fully routed network.
 Topology can be arbitrary.

 3. How are you setting broken RSVP down? RSVP only goes up to a
 neighbour IF it actually has a reason to talk to it's neighbour. If you do
 not book an RSVP LSP across the link (due to ERO or following the IGP to
 the egress point), the two LSR's never exchange RSVP packets, because they
 have no reason to do so. This is known and expected behaviour. This is not
 LDP, which is 'chatty' and tries to reach out and touch it's neighbour and
 dynamically create FECs and transport label tables. RSVP only is invoked on
 an LSR-LSR link if an actual reservation needs to be made on that link.

 4. What does your IGP suggest about the shortest path in the topology?

 5. do you have family mpls enabled on all the relevant interfaces?

 6. do you have all the relevant interfaces you want to run rsvp on,
 declared in protocols rsvp, and protocols mpls?

 etc.. ;)

 - Ck.




 On 22/07/2015, at 5:18 AM, Levi Pederson levipeder...@mankatonetworks.net
 wrote:

  All,
 
  Double Checked the Layer 2 ring today and it seems solid.
 
  Once again we have B and C co-located and A and D in remote locations
 with
  a link between them.
 
  Currently there is no RSVP between C and D and this is making my ring go
  right instead of left!
 
  I can Ping from D to C (it's next hop on the ring) if I force it out the
  MPLS interface.  However when I ping the LSP interfaces (loopbacks) it
  takes the long way around).  Short is 10ms and the long goes up to almost
  26ms (pinging loops , again the long way around).  Current production
  traffic backs this up.
 
  This leads me to believe there is not a Layer 2 issue but something more
  enigmatic.
 
  Currently reading up on RSVP priority/preference but that seems like
 taking
  a 2Ton Electromagnetic Sentient WreckingBall to hammer in a nail.
 
  Thank you,


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Re: [j-nsp] jtree0 Memory full on MX480?

2015-07-21 Thread Phil Rosenthal
Disabling Basic-Table certainly bought you some time.

Agree that it still does not look good. I suspect that you are running into a 
software issue.  11.4 is no longer a supported version, 12.3 is the minimum 
supported today, with 13.3R6 as the recommended version.  Is it possible for 
you to upgrade?

Best Regards,
-Phil
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 7:23 PM, Jeff Meyers jeff.mey...@gmx.net wrote:
 
 Hi Phil,
 
 sure:
 
 
 {master}
 jeff@cr0 show configuration | display set | match rpf-check
 
 {master}
 nico@FRA4.cr0 show version
 Hostname: cr0
 Model: mx480
 JUNOS Base OS boot [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Base OS Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Kernel Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Crypto Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Packet Forwarding Engine Support (M/T Common) [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Packet Forwarding Engine Support (MX Common) [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Online Documentation [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Voice Services Container package [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Border Gateway Function package [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services AACL Container package [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services LL-PDF Container package [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services PTSP Container package [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services Stateful Firewall [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services NAT [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services Application Level Gateways [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services Captive Portal and Content Delivery Container package 
 [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services RPM [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services HTTP Content Management package [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS AppId Services [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS IDP Services [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services Crypto [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services SSL [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Services IPSec [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Runtime Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
 JUNOS Routing Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
 
 {master}
 nico@FRA4.cr0 show route summary
 Autonomous system number: X
 Router ID: A.B.C.D
 
 inet.0: 546231 destinations, 1747898 routes (545029 active, 11 holddown, 2994 
 hidden)
  Direct:   1143 routes,   1140 active
   Local:   1144 routes,   1144 active
OSPF: 81 routes, 18 active
 BGP: 1745429 routes, 542631 active
  Static:100 routes, 95 active
IGMP:  1 routes,  1 active
 
 Basic-Table.inet.0: 212783 destinations, 215070 routes (212778 active, 5 
 holddown, 0 hidden)
  Direct:   2283 routes,   1140 active
   Local:   2288 routes,   1144 active
OSPF: 17 routes, 17 active
 BGP: 210387 routes, 210382 active
  Static: 95 routes, 95 active
 
 inet6.0: 23331 destinations, 39242 routes (23330 active, 1 holddown, 113 
 hidden)
  Direct:451 routes,368 active
   Local:373 routes,373 active
   OSPF3:  9 routes,  9 active
 BGP:  38399 routes,  22571 active
  Static: 10 routes,  9 active
 
 Basic-Table.inet6.0: 12295 destinations, 12295 routes (12292 active, 3 
 holddown, 0 hidden)
  Direct:366 routes,366 active
   Local:373 routes,373 active
   OSPF3:  8 routes,  8 active
 BGP:  11539 routes,  11536 active
  Static:  9 routes,  9 active
 
 {master}
 
 
 I actually thought this Basic-Table was inactive. It is not so I'm going to 
 deactive it now. Since it was holding  200k routes, this is for sure a lot. 
 Doing that made the syslog message disappear but it didn't actually free up 
 as much as I was hoping for:
 
 GOT: Jtree memory segment 0 (Context: 0x44976cc8)
 GOT: ---
 GOT: Memory Statistics:
 GOT:16777216 bytes total
 GOT:14613176 bytes used
 GOT: 2145824 bytes available (865792 bytes from free pages)
 GOT:3024 bytes wasted
 GOT:   15192 bytes unusable
 GOT:   32768 pages total
 GOT:6338 pages used (2568 pages used in page alloc)
 GOT:   24739 pages partially used
 GOT:1691 pages free (max contiguous = 380)
 
 
 Still doesn't look to glorious, right?
 
 
 Best,
 Jeff
 
 
 Am 22.07.2015 um 01:06 schrieb Phil Rosenthal:
 Can you paste the output of these commands:
 show conf | display set | match rpf-check
 show ver
 show route sum
 
 DPC should have enough memory for ~1M FIB.  This can get divided in half if 
 you are using RPF. If you have multiple routing instances, this also can 
 contribute to the problem.
 
 Best Regards,
 -Phil Rosenthal
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Jeff Meyers jeff.mey...@gmx.net wrote:
 
 Hello list,
 
 we seem to be running into limits with a MX480 with RE-2000 and 2x 
 DPCE-4XGE-R since we are seeing these new messages in the syslog:
 
 
 Jul 22 00:50:36  cr0 fpc0 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree 
 Instance:jtree0-seg0 Type:free-dwords Available:83072 is less than LWM 
 limit:104857, rsmon_syslog_limit()
 Jul 22 00:50:36  cr0 fpc0 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree 
 Instance:jtree1-seg0 Type:free-pages Available:1326 is less than LWM 
 limit:1638, 

Re: [j-nsp] jtree0 Memory full on MX480?

2015-07-21 Thread Jeff Meyers

Hi,

yes, an upgrade is absolutely possible but since there are no major 
issues with that release, we didn't do that yet. Are you just assuming a 
newer software improves that or did Juniper really do something on that 
side?



Best,
Jeff

Am 22.07.2015 um 02:45 schrieb Phil Rosenthal:

Disabling Basic-Table certainly bought you some time.

Agree that it still does not look good. I suspect that you are running into a 
software issue.  11.4 is no longer a supported version, 12.3 is the minimum 
supported today, with 13.3R6 as the recommended version.  Is it possible for 
you to upgrade?

Best Regards,
-Phil

On Jul 21, 2015, at 7:23 PM, Jeff Meyers jeff.mey...@gmx.net wrote:

Hi Phil,

sure:


{master}
jeff@cr0 show configuration | display set | match rpf-check

{master}
nico@FRA4.cr0 show version
Hostname: cr0
Model: mx480
JUNOS Base OS boot [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Base OS Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Kernel Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Crypto Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Packet Forwarding Engine Support (M/T Common) [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Packet Forwarding Engine Support (MX Common) [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Online Documentation [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Voice Services Container package [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Border Gateway Function package [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services AACL Container package [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services LL-PDF Container package [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services PTSP Container package [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services Stateful Firewall [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services NAT [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services Application Level Gateways [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services Captive Portal and Content Delivery Container package [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services RPM [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services HTTP Content Management package [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS AppId Services [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS IDP Services [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services Crypto [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services SSL [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services IPSec [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Runtime Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Routing Software Suite [11.4R9.4]

{master}
nico@FRA4.cr0 show route summary
Autonomous system number: X
Router ID: A.B.C.D

inet.0: 546231 destinations, 1747898 routes (545029 active, 11 holddown, 2994 
hidden)
  Direct:   1143 routes,   1140 active
   Local:   1144 routes,   1144 active
OSPF: 81 routes, 18 active
 BGP: 1745429 routes, 542631 active
  Static:100 routes, 95 active
IGMP:  1 routes,  1 active

Basic-Table.inet.0: 212783 destinations, 215070 routes (212778 active, 5 
holddown, 0 hidden)
  Direct:   2283 routes,   1140 active
   Local:   2288 routes,   1144 active
OSPF: 17 routes, 17 active
 BGP: 210387 routes, 210382 active
  Static: 95 routes, 95 active

inet6.0: 23331 destinations, 39242 routes (23330 active, 1 holddown, 113 hidden)
  Direct:451 routes,368 active
   Local:373 routes,373 active
   OSPF3:  9 routes,  9 active
 BGP:  38399 routes,  22571 active
  Static: 10 routes,  9 active

Basic-Table.inet6.0: 12295 destinations, 12295 routes (12292 active, 3 
holddown, 0 hidden)
  Direct:366 routes,366 active
   Local:373 routes,373 active
   OSPF3:  8 routes,  8 active
 BGP:  11539 routes,  11536 active
  Static:  9 routes,  9 active

{master}


I actually thought this Basic-Table was inactive. It is not so I'm going to 
deactive it now. Since it was holding  200k routes, this is for sure a lot. Doing that 
made the syslog message disappear but it didn't actually free up as much as I was hoping for:

GOT: Jtree memory segment 0 (Context: 0x44976cc8)
GOT: ---
GOT: Memory Statistics:
GOT:16777216 bytes total
GOT:14613176 bytes used
GOT: 2145824 bytes available (865792 bytes from free pages)
GOT:3024 bytes wasted
GOT:   15192 bytes unusable
GOT:   32768 pages total
GOT:6338 pages used (2568 pages used in page alloc)
GOT:   24739 pages partially used
GOT:1691 pages free (max contiguous = 380)


Still doesn't look to glorious, right?


Best,
Jeff


Am 22.07.2015 um 01:06 schrieb Phil Rosenthal:

Can you paste the output of these commands:
show conf | display set | match rpf-check
show ver
show route sum

DPC should have enough memory for ~1M FIB.  This can get divided in half if you 
are using RPF. If you have multiple routing instances, this also can contribute 
to the problem.

Best Regards,
-Phil Rosenthal

On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Jeff Meyers jeff.mey...@gmx.net wrote:

Hello list,

we seem to be running into limits with a MX480 with RE-2000 and 2x DPCE-4XGE-R 
since we are seeing these new messages in the syslog:


Jul 22 00:50:36  cr0 fpc0 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree Instance:jtree0-seg0 
Type:free-dwords Available:83072 is less than LWM limit:104857, 

Re: [j-nsp] Proper Break of MPLS RSVP Ring

2015-07-21 Thread Levi Pederson
All,

Double Checked the Layer 2 ring today and it seems solid.

Once again we have B and C co-located and A and D in remote locations with
a link between them.

Currently there is no RSVP between C and D and this is making my ring go
right instead of left!

I can Ping from D to C (it's next hop on the ring) if I force it out the
MPLS interface.  However when I ping the LSP interfaces (loopbacks) it
takes the long way around).  Short is 10ms and the long goes up to almost
26ms (pinging loops , again the long way around).  Current production
traffic backs this up.

This leads me to believe there is not a Layer 2 issue but something more
enigmatic.

Currently reading up on RSVP priority/preference but that seems like taking
a 2Ton Electromagnetic Sentient WreckingBall to hammer in a nail.

Thank you,






*Levi Pederson*
Mankato Networks LLC
cell | 612.481.0769
work | 612.787.7392
levipeder...@mankatonetworks.net


On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Ben Dale bd...@comlinx.com.au wrote:

 Hi Levi,

  On 17 Jul 2015, at 5:22 am, Levi Pederson 
 levipeder...@mankatonetworks.net wrote:
  This is displaying it self in my output by not having an RSVP Neighbor
  (neighbor down hellos sent) between CD (and therefore sending my traffic
  inefficiently 3/4 way around the ring instead of the 1/4 hop it could.
  Last bit of information is that D sees C as a neighbor but is down.  C
 does
  not even see D as a neighbor at all.

 This sounds like an L2 issue, or perhaps a misconfiguration - all nodes
 should be RSVP neighbours in order to be able to signal LSPs across those
 interfaces.




 Check your protocols rsvp config for the logical interfaces between D.

 Use monitor traffic interface D-C interface on D to confirm that RSVP is
 being sent out of the box.

 Check any control-plane filtering/firewall filters you have configured on
 C (though it seems to be receiving just fine from B).

  I'm wondering how RSVP breaks that link.  All the documentation I can
 find
  are focused on LSP validation/creation and not on Link Breaks to stop
 layer
  2 loops (is my assumption).  If one of my intervening links goes own I
  would like to correct it and then move the break to the specified point.
  But the RSVP documentation is rather...limited to only LSPs if I am
 reading
  it correctly.

 RSVP won’t break the link to stop loops (the LSPs will carry service
 labels which may not even be L2 services), it will simply establish the LSP
 across the best/shortest path between endpoints (based on your TE
 settings), and if this becomes unavailable (and depending on your
 configuration) it will simply re-establish over any alternate path (which
 it sounds like is working well).

 Cheers,

 Ben


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Re: [j-nsp] MX104 Limitations

2015-07-21 Thread Ross Halliday
Saku Ytti wrote:

  1) It’s 3.5U high, making rack planning a little weird, and requiring me to 
  buy a hard to find half-U blank panel
 
 It is targeting metro applications, where racks often are telco racks. job-1
 and job-2 were thrilled to get MX104 form-factor, MX80 was very problematic
 and lead to 'creative' installations.

Telco here. I love the MX104's format... in general. Most of our installations 
are DC so the .5U part is really negligible as approx. 1U is required off the 
bottom of the unit for clearance anyway. What drives me nuts about the height 
is actually the spacing of holes on the ears. Racking them is clumsy for this 
reason.

I'd love to see a switch in a similar form factor. We've had to put some 
EX4200s in one of our COs, and man, what a pain in the cavity those are. Flimsy 
little ears and way too deep. 

  2) It uses unusual power connectors on its power supplies, so you have to 
  plan to buy special power cords just for this.
 
 It's standard C15/C16 which is temperature enchanced (120c) version of
 standard C13/C14. Lot of vendors are doing that these days, I'd like to
 understand why. Is there some new recommendation for fire safety or what has
 triggered the change.

Thank you for this explanation!!! We have one AC unit at a tower site and were 
wondering what the story was. Our company now has *TWO* NEMA 5-15P to IEC 320 
C15 cables.

About the only other thing that annoys me about the MX104 is the location of 
the chassis ground. Right in the corner with the fan tray. Seriously?

In general I love these little routers.

Cheers
Ross
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Re: [j-nsp] RE switch master to backup

2015-07-21 Thread Ross Halliday
 Gents,
 
 has anybody seen a dual RE MX gear switch the routing engine master to
 backup due to a “possibly bad console cable” ?

 Jul  1 11:21:29.941 2015  MX480LON_0 init: getty repeating too quickly on
 port /dev/ttyd0, sleeping 30 secs

Did you happen to find a resolution for this? That message seems the most 
telling as to why it would fail over.

On Sun servers there used to be a way cool method to get them to reboot: Send a 
trillion BREAKs over the console. Same thing could happen if you rebooted your 
console device a few times, or, indeed, if the cable was bad. I'm not sure if 
JUNOS operates like this internally, but as they have common BSD roots it could 
be related.


Cheers
Ross
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Re: [j-nsp] RE switch master to backup

2015-07-21 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Ross Halliday ross.halli...@wtccommunications.ca said:
 On Sun servers there used to be a way cool method to get them to reboot: Send 
 a trillion BREAKs over the console. Same thing could happen if you rebooted 
 your console device a few times, or, indeed, if the cable was bad. I'm not 
 sure if JUNOS operates like this internally, but as they have common BSD 
 roots it could be related.

That was related to OpenFirmware serial console behaivor, which would be
unrelated to the Juniper BIOS (for x86 systems) or U-Boot (for the
other) behavior.  It didn't have anything to do with the OS that was
running.  Also, Solaris is System V, not BSD (/usr/ucb notwithstanding).

On OpenFirmware, sending a BREAK would drop the system to the firmware
prompt, which stopped the running OS (the firmware was essentially
always loaded and running in the background).  BIOS and U-Boot systems
don't operate like that (well, there are things like SMM, but that's
different).

-- 
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Re: [j-nsp] Q-in-Q with VSTP

2015-07-21 Thread Ross Halliday
 I'm bashing away at a conundrum here. I'm trying to lab a setup for a 
 multi-VLAN subscriber over some GPON gear. The setup is:

 MX104 --2x-- OLT -- ONT -- subscriber

 The ONT is able to strip the outer VLAN tag facing the subscriber, so the CE 
 can hit all of the inner VLANs directly. The OLT presents frames with both 
 outer  and inner
 tags to the MX, so I must strip the outer in order to work with the 
 subscriber's services. Link bundling/aggregation between the MX and OLT are 
 not an option, so I
 need to use spanning tree.

 So, I am trying to create a bridge domain with VSTP enabled for VLANs that 
 aren't accessible with a simple vlan-id-list or vlan-id.

 I cannot get this to work. I've tried vlan-tags outer 9 inner 9 with 
 separate units per inner VLAN, as well as sending everything into a vswitch 
 like detailed here
 http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos14.2/topics/topic-map/layer-2-services-stp-vstp-on-trunk-port-with-tagged-traffic-example.html
  ...but the STP
 instance just doesn't seem to recognize the interface, and my CE doesn't see 
 any BPDUs on that VLAN.

 I can't even find if this feature is supported - my searches on Juniper's 
 site don't show anything with spanning tree and Q-in-Q or double-tags or 
 inner tags etc on the
 same page.

 Is anybody else trying to do this? Or suggested solution? If the MX supported 
 Redundant Trunk Groups (like Cisco FlexLink) this would be so much easier.


Figured I should follow up on this in case someone tries similar in the future.

What ended up working was to run spanning tree on the outer VLAN. What I find 
odd, being a Cisco graduate, is that the outer VLAN doesn't technically exist 
as a bridge domain... just as something VSTP uses.

protocols {
vstp {
vlan 2090 {
bridge-priority 4k;
interface ge-1/0/2;
interface ge-1/1/2;
}
}
}
interfaces {
ge-1/0/2 {
description GPON Card 1;
flexible-vlan-tagging;
encapsulation flexible-ethernet-services;
unit 2090 {
description Q-in-Q to subscriber;
vlan-id 2090;
family bridge {
interface-mode trunk;
inner-vlan-id-list [ 100 200 300 ];
}
}
}
ge-1/1/2 {
description GPON Card 12;
flexible-vlan-tagging;
encapsulation flexible-ethernet-services;
unit 2090 {
description Q-in-Q to subscriber;
vlan-id 2090;
family bridge {
interface-mode trunk;
inner-vlan-id-list [ 100 200 300 ];
}
}
}
}
bridge-domains {
Jimbob-Phones {
description Jimbob's IP phones;
vlan-id 100;
routing-interface irb.100;
}
Jimbob-Internet {
description Jimbob's Internet access;
vlan-id 200;
routing-interface irb.200;
}
Jimbob-TLS {
description Jimbob's L3VPN to remote offices;
vlan-id 300;
routing-interface irb.300;
}
}

Works great. VSTP on 2090 prevents loops between the MX and GPON access gear, 
and since the access gear strips the outer tag going to the subscriber the CE 
doesn't even know it's there. STP not required on the inner VLANs like I had 
originally tried.

Hope this helps someone.

Cheers
Ross
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Re: [j-nsp] jtree0 Memory full on MX480?

2015-07-21 Thread Chris Kawchuk
I know that a ton of fixes on BGP convergence time son MX80 is definitely a 
reason to be 'moving up'... however as you're on RE-2000s on MX480 may not be 
applicable.

I see you're running DPC cards, have you considered shifting those links onto 
an MPC/Trio Card? (newer chip, more RAM, more horsepower, yadda yadda yadda 
=)..) DPC was EOL a while ago, and everything has been Trio (and now Trio-NG on 
the new -NG cards coming out now). As the FIB is pushed to hardware, it may be 
some silly DPC thing you're running into.

For things like Fusion or BNG or any other 
new/advanced/this-is-what-PLM-is-thinking functions, we're already putting in 
14.2 on any new device we turn up, and have already started testing 15.1 for 
the new NG cards we will likely be buying. Rest of our network is now on 12.3R8 
or 13.3 in many cases. (lots of BFD bugs have been squashed, some HQoS issues 
fixed, host-outbound-traffic for BFD keepalives now honour the c-o-s knobs, and 
are finally out of Queue 3 and into the Queue we want (7), etc... preventing 
starvation if you happen to have re-used Queue 3 as not-so-high priority, 
etc)... the list goes on.

It's not a case of if it aint broke, don't fix it once you get 4-5 years 
behind. You'll benefit from the years of Oh, we finally fixed LLDP ascii 
decoding stuff that ends up getting traction; plus JTAC would really really 
like it if you weren't on 11.4 =)

- Ck.


On 22 Jul 2015, at 10:49 am, Jeff Meyers jeff.mey...@gmx.net wrote:

 Hi,
 
 yes, an upgrade is absolutely possible but since there are no major issues 
 with that release, we didn't do that yet. Are you just assuming a newer 
 software improves that or did Juniper really do something on that side?
 
 
 Best,
 Jeff

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Re: [j-nsp] Proper Break of MPLS RSVP Ring

2015-07-21 Thread Chris Kawchuk
Post relevant configs and an actual diagram (Visio - PDF)

Without this, anything we say is pure speculation -- and we end up playing '20 
questions' with you. Getting an MPLS/RSVP/LDP/IGP/BGP/Mesh/TE network setup 
involves multiple steps and config-knobs being turned on and turned on 
correctly. Missing any one of them can result in undesirable behaviour.

1. RSVP priority/preference (?) has no bearing on forming an MPLS forwarding 
path adjacent between two LSRs.

2. There is no break in an MPLS network if it happens to be attached in a 
ring. This is not Spanning Tree. You have a fully routed network. Topology can 
be arbitrary.

3. How are you setting broken RSVP down? RSVP only goes up to a neighbour 
IF it actually has a reason to talk to it's neighbour. If you do not book an 
RSVP LSP across the link (due to ERO or following the IGP to the egress point), 
the two LSR's never exchange RSVP packets, because they have no reason to do 
so. This is known and expected behaviour. This is not LDP, which is 'chatty' 
and tries to reach out and touch it's neighbour and dynamically create FECs and 
transport label tables. RSVP only is invoked on an LSR-LSR link if an actual 
reservation needs to be made on that link.

4. What does your IGP suggest about the shortest path in the topology?

5. do you have family mpls enabled on all the relevant interfaces?

6. do you have all the relevant interfaces you want to run rsvp on, declared in 
protocols rsvp, and protocols mpls?

etc.. ;)

- Ck.




On 22/07/2015, at 5:18 AM, Levi Pederson levipeder...@mankatonetworks.net 
wrote:

 All,
 
 Double Checked the Layer 2 ring today and it seems solid.
 
 Once again we have B and C co-located and A and D in remote locations with
 a link between them.
 
 Currently there is no RSVP between C and D and this is making my ring go
 right instead of left!
 
 I can Ping from D to C (it's next hop on the ring) if I force it out the
 MPLS interface.  However when I ping the LSP interfaces (loopbacks) it
 takes the long way around).  Short is 10ms and the long goes up to almost
 26ms (pinging loops , again the long way around).  Current production
 traffic backs this up.
 
 This leads me to believe there is not a Layer 2 issue but something more
 enigmatic.
 
 Currently reading up on RSVP priority/preference but that seems like taking
 a 2Ton Electromagnetic Sentient WreckingBall to hammer in a nail.
 
 Thank you,

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[j-nsp] jtree0 Memory full on MX480?

2015-07-21 Thread Jeff Meyers

Hello list,

we seem to be running into limits with a MX480 with RE-2000 and 2x 
DPCE-4XGE-R since we are seeing these new messages in the syslog:



Jul 22 00:50:36  cr0 fpc0 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree 
Instance:jtree0-seg0 Type:free-dwords Available:83072 is less than LWM 
limit:104857, rsmon_syslog_limit()
Jul 22 00:50:36  cr0 fpc0 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree 
Instance:jtree1-seg0 Type:free-pages Available:1326 is less than LWM 
limit:1638, rsmon_syslog_limit()
Jul 22 00:50:36  cr0 fpc1 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree 
Instance:jtree0-seg0 Type:free-pages Available:1316 is less than LWM 
limit:1638, rsmon_syslog_limit()
Jul 22 00:50:37  cr0 fpc1 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree 
Instance:jtree0-seg0 Type:free-dwords Available:84224 is less than LWM 
limit:104857, rsmon_syslog_limit()
Jul 22 00:50:37  cr0 fpc0 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree 
Instance:jtree1-seg0 Type:free-dwords Available:84864 is less than LWM 
limit:104857, rsmon_syslog_limit()



Here is some more output from the FPC:


jeff@cr0 request pfe execute target fpc0 command show rsmon
SENT: Ukern command: show rsmon
GOT:
GOT: categoryinstancetypetotal  lwm_limit hwm_limit free
GOT:  ---   - - 
GOT:jtree jtree0-seg0   free-pages32768  1638  4915 1245
GOT:jtree jtree0-seg0  free-dwords  209715210485731457279680
GOT:jtree jtree0-seg1   free-pages32768  1638  491522675
GOT:jtree jtree0-seg1  free-dwords  2097152104857314572  1451200
GOT:jtree jtree1-seg0   free-pages32768  1638  4915 1267
GOT:jtree jtree1-seg0  free-dwords  209715210485731457281088
GOT:jtree jtree1-seg1   free-pages32768  1638  491523743
GOT:jtree jtree1-seg1  free-dwords  2097152104857314572  1519552
GOT:jtree jtree2-seg0   free-pages32768  1638  4915 1266
GOT:jtree jtree2-seg0  free-dwords  209715210485731457281024
GOT:jtree jtree2-seg1   free-pages32768  1638  491523732
GOT:jtree jtree2-seg1  free-dwords  2097152104857314572  1518848
GOT:jtree jtree3-seg0   free-pages32768  1638  4915 1232
GOT:jtree jtree3-seg0  free-dwords  209715210485731457278848
GOT:jtree jtree3-seg1   free-pages32768  1638  491523731
GOT:jtree jtree3-seg1  free-dwords  2097152104857314572  1518784
LOCAL: End of file

{master}
jeff@cr0 request pfe execute target fpc0 command show jtree 0 memory 
extensive

SENT: Ukern command: show jtree 0 memory extensive
GOT:
GOT: Jtree memory segment 0 (Context: 0x44976cc8)
GOT: ---
GOT: Memory Statistics:
GOT:16777216 bytes total
GOT:15299920 bytes used
GOT: 1459080 bytes available (660480 bytes from free pages)
GOT:3024 bytes wasted
GOT:   15192 bytes unusable
GOT:   32768 pages total
GOT:   26528 pages used (2568 pages used in page alloc)
GOT:4950 pages partially used
GOT:1290 pages free (max contiguous = 373)
GOT:
GOT:  Partially Filled Pages (In bytes):-
GOT:   UnitAvail Overhead
GOT:  8   6743440
GOT: 16   1078400
GOT: 2413296 4792
GOT: 32  2880
GOT: 48 283210400
GOT:
GOT:  Free Page Lists(Pg Size = 512 bytes):-
GOT:Page Bucket Avail(Bytes)
GOT:1-1   140288
GOT:2-2   112640
GOT:3-376800
GOT:4-449152
GOT:5-5 7680
GOT:6-615360
GOT:7-725088
GOT:8-8 8192
GOT:   9-11 5632
GOT:  12-17 6656
GOT:  18-2622016
GOT:   27-32768   190976
GOT:
GOT:  Fragmentation Index = 0.869, (largest free = 190976)
GOT:  Counters:
GOT:   465261655 allocs (0 failed)
GOT:   0 releases(partial 0)
GOT:   463785484 frees
GOT:   0 holds
GOT:   9 pending frees(pending bytes 88)
GOT:   0 pending forced
GOT:   0 times free blocked
GOT:   0 sync writes
GOT:  Error Counters:-
GOT:   0 bad params
GOT:   0 failed frees
GOT:   0 bad cookie
GOT:
GOT: Jtree memory segment 1 (Context: 0x449f87e8)
GOT: ---
GOT: Memory Statistics:
GOT:16777216 bytes total
GOT: 5123760 bytes used
GOT:11650408 bytes available (11609600 bytes from free pages)
GOT:2704 bytes wasted
GOT: 344 bytes unusable
GOT:   32768 pages total
GOT:9912 pages used (8976 pages used in page alloc)
GOT: 181 pages partially used
GOT:   22675 pages free (max contiguous = 22672)
GOT:
GOT:  Partially Filled Pages (In bytes):-
GOT:   UnitAvail Overhead
GOT:  8253520
GOT:   

Re: [j-nsp] jtree0 Memory full on MX480?

2015-07-21 Thread Phil Rosenthal
Can you paste the output of these commands:
show conf | display set | match rpf-check
show ver
show route sum

DPC should have enough memory for ~1M FIB.  This can get divided in half if you 
are using RPF. If you have multiple routing instances, this also can contribute 
to the problem.

Best Regards,
-Phil Rosenthal
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Jeff Meyers jeff.mey...@gmx.net wrote:
 
 Hello list,
 
 we seem to be running into limits with a MX480 with RE-2000 and 2x 
 DPCE-4XGE-R since we are seeing these new messages in the syslog:
 
 
 Jul 22 00:50:36  cr0 fpc0 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree Instance:jtree0-seg0 
 Type:free-dwords Available:83072 is less than LWM limit:104857, 
 rsmon_syslog_limit()
 Jul 22 00:50:36  cr0 fpc0 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree Instance:jtree1-seg0 
 Type:free-pages Available:1326 is less than LWM limit:1638, 
 rsmon_syslog_limit()
 Jul 22 00:50:36  cr0 fpc1 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree Instance:jtree0-seg0 
 Type:free-pages Available:1316 is less than LWM limit:1638, 
 rsmon_syslog_limit()
 Jul 22 00:50:37  cr0 fpc1 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree Instance:jtree0-seg0 
 Type:free-dwords Available:84224 is less than LWM limit:104857, 
 rsmon_syslog_limit()
 Jul 22 00:50:37  cr0 fpc0 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree Instance:jtree1-seg0 
 Type:free-dwords Available:84864 is less than LWM limit:104857, 
 rsmon_syslog_limit()
 
 
 Here is some more output from the FPC:
 
 
 jeff@cr0 request pfe execute target fpc0 command show rsmon
 SENT: Ukern command: show rsmon
 GOT:
 GOT: categoryinstancetypetotal  lwm_limit hwm_limit free
 GOT:  ---   - - 
 GOT:jtree jtree0-seg0   free-pages32768  1638  4915 1245
 GOT:jtree jtree0-seg0  free-dwords  209715210485731457279680
 GOT:jtree jtree0-seg1   free-pages32768  1638  491522675
 GOT:jtree jtree0-seg1  free-dwords  2097152104857314572  1451200
 GOT:jtree jtree1-seg0   free-pages32768  1638  4915 1267
 GOT:jtree jtree1-seg0  free-dwords  209715210485731457281088
 GOT:jtree jtree1-seg1   free-pages32768  1638  491523743
 GOT:jtree jtree1-seg1  free-dwords  2097152104857314572  1519552
 GOT:jtree jtree2-seg0   free-pages32768  1638  4915 1266
 GOT:jtree jtree2-seg0  free-dwords  209715210485731457281024
 GOT:jtree jtree2-seg1   free-pages32768  1638  491523732
 GOT:jtree jtree2-seg1  free-dwords  2097152104857314572  1518848
 GOT:jtree jtree3-seg0   free-pages32768  1638  4915 1232
 GOT:jtree jtree3-seg0  free-dwords  209715210485731457278848
 GOT:jtree jtree3-seg1   free-pages32768  1638  491523731
 GOT:jtree jtree3-seg1  free-dwords  2097152104857314572  1518784
 LOCAL: End of file
 
 {master}
 jeff@cr0 request pfe execute target fpc0 command show jtree 0 memory 
 extensive
 SENT: Ukern command: show jtree 0 memory extensive
 GOT:
 GOT: Jtree memory segment 0 (Context: 0x44976cc8)
 GOT: ---
 GOT: Memory Statistics:
 GOT:16777216 bytes total
 GOT:15299920 bytes used
 GOT: 1459080 bytes available (660480 bytes from free pages)
 GOT:3024 bytes wasted
 GOT:   15192 bytes unusable
 GOT:   32768 pages total
 GOT:   26528 pages used (2568 pages used in page alloc)
 GOT:4950 pages partially used
 GOT:1290 pages free (max contiguous = 373)
 GOT:
 GOT:  Partially Filled Pages (In bytes):-
 GOT:   UnitAvail Overhead
 GOT:  8   6743440
 GOT: 16   1078400
 GOT: 2413296 4792
 GOT: 32  2880
 GOT: 48 283210400
 GOT:
 GOT:  Free Page Lists(Pg Size = 512 bytes):-
 GOT:Page Bucket Avail(Bytes)
 GOT:1-1   140288
 GOT:2-2   112640
 GOT:3-376800
 GOT:4-449152
 GOT:5-5 7680
 GOT:6-615360
 GOT:7-725088
 GOT:8-8 8192
 GOT:   9-11 5632
 GOT:  12-17 6656
 GOT:  18-2622016
 GOT:   27-32768   190976
 GOT:
 GOT:  Fragmentation Index = 0.869, (largest free = 190976)
 GOT:  Counters:
 GOT:   465261655 allocs (0 failed)
 GOT:   0 releases(partial 0)
 GOT:   463785484 frees
 GOT:   0 holds
 GOT:   9 pending frees(pending bytes 88)
 GOT:   0 pending forced
 GOT:   0 times free blocked
 GOT:   0 sync writes
 GOT:  Error Counters:-
 GOT:   0 bad params
 GOT:   0 failed frees
 GOT:   0 bad cookie
 GOT:
 GOT: Jtree memory segment 1 (Context: 0x449f87e8)
 GOT: ---
 GOT: Memory 

Re: [j-nsp] jtree0 Memory full on MX480?

2015-07-21 Thread Jeff Meyers

Hi Phil,

sure:


{master}
jeff@cr0 show configuration | display set | match rpf-check

{master}
nico@FRA4.cr0 show version
Hostname: cr0
Model: mx480
JUNOS Base OS boot [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Base OS Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Kernel Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Crypto Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Packet Forwarding Engine Support (M/T Common) [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Packet Forwarding Engine Support (MX Common) [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Online Documentation [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Voice Services Container package [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Border Gateway Function package [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services AACL Container package [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services LL-PDF Container package [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services PTSP Container package [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services Stateful Firewall [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services NAT [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services Application Level Gateways [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services Captive Portal and Content Delivery Container package 
[11.4R9.4]

JUNOS Services RPM [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services HTTP Content Management package [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS AppId Services [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS IDP Services [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services Crypto [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services SSL [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Services IPSec [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Runtime Software Suite [11.4R9.4]
JUNOS Routing Software Suite [11.4R9.4]

{master}
nico@FRA4.cr0 show route summary
Autonomous system number: X
Router ID: A.B.C.D

inet.0: 546231 destinations, 1747898 routes (545029 active, 11 holddown, 
2994 hidden)

  Direct:   1143 routes,   1140 active
   Local:   1144 routes,   1144 active
OSPF: 81 routes, 18 active
 BGP: 1745429 routes, 542631 active
  Static:100 routes, 95 active
IGMP:  1 routes,  1 active

Basic-Table.inet.0: 212783 destinations, 215070 routes (212778 active, 5 
holddown, 0 hidden)

  Direct:   2283 routes,   1140 active
   Local:   2288 routes,   1144 active
OSPF: 17 routes, 17 active
 BGP: 210387 routes, 210382 active
  Static: 95 routes, 95 active

inet6.0: 23331 destinations, 39242 routes (23330 active, 1 holddown, 113 
hidden)

  Direct:451 routes,368 active
   Local:373 routes,373 active
   OSPF3:  9 routes,  9 active
 BGP:  38399 routes,  22571 active
  Static: 10 routes,  9 active

Basic-Table.inet6.0: 12295 destinations, 12295 routes (12292 active, 3 
holddown, 0 hidden)

  Direct:366 routes,366 active
   Local:373 routes,373 active
   OSPF3:  8 routes,  8 active
 BGP:  11539 routes,  11536 active
  Static:  9 routes,  9 active

{master}


I actually thought this Basic-Table was inactive. It is not so I'm 
going to deactive it now. Since it was holding  200k routes, this is 
for sure a lot. Doing that made the syslog message disappear but it 
didn't actually free up as much as I was hoping for:


GOT: Jtree memory segment 0 (Context: 0x44976cc8)
GOT: ---
GOT: Memory Statistics:
GOT:16777216 bytes total
GOT:14613176 bytes used
GOT: 2145824 bytes available (865792 bytes from free pages)
GOT:3024 bytes wasted
GOT:   15192 bytes unusable
GOT:   32768 pages total
GOT:6338 pages used (2568 pages used in page alloc)
GOT:   24739 pages partially used
GOT:1691 pages free (max contiguous = 380)


Still doesn't look to glorious, right?


Best,
Jeff


Am 22.07.2015 um 01:06 schrieb Phil Rosenthal:

Can you paste the output of these commands:
show conf | display set | match rpf-check
show ver
show route sum

DPC should have enough memory for ~1M FIB.  This can get divided in half if you 
are using RPF. If you have multiple routing instances, this also can contribute 
to the problem.

Best Regards,
-Phil Rosenthal

On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Jeff Meyers jeff.mey...@gmx.net wrote:

Hello list,

we seem to be running into limits with a MX480 with RE-2000 and 2x DPCE-4XGE-R 
since we are seeing these new messages in the syslog:


Jul 22 00:50:36  cr0 fpc0 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree Instance:jtree0-seg0 
Type:free-dwords Available:83072 is less than LWM limit:104857, 
rsmon_syslog_limit()
Jul 22 00:50:36  cr0 fpc0 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree Instance:jtree1-seg0 
Type:free-pages Available:1326 is less than LWM limit:1638, rsmon_syslog_limit()
Jul 22 00:50:36  cr0 fpc1 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree Instance:jtree0-seg0 
Type:free-pages Available:1316 is less than LWM limit:1638, rsmon_syslog_limit()
Jul 22 00:50:37  cr0 fpc1 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree Instance:jtree0-seg0 
Type:free-dwords Available:84224 is less than LWM limit:104857, 
rsmon_syslog_limit()
Jul 22 00:50:37  cr0 fpc0 RSMON: Resource Category:jtree Instance:jtree1-seg0 
Type:free-dwords Available:84864 is less than LWM limit:104857, 
rsmon_syslog_limit()


Here 

Re: [j-nsp] Cisco ME3600 migration to something with more 10 gig ports

2015-07-21 Thread Colton Conor
What does the price point of the ME3600X/ASR920 platform look like? Looks
like for at least the ASR920 and 10G SPF+ ports you have the buy the
chassis and then upgrade licenses?

Considering a Juniper GFX5100 is ~$11k brand new does it make any sense to
go with something like an ASR920, or does the ASR have many more features
than the Juniper QFX5100? The 5100 has a ton of port built in, but is more
of a switch than router.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:26 AM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:



 On 13/Jul/15 17:40, Ivan Ivanov wrote:

 
  PTX1000
  
 https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/ptx-series/ptx1000/
 

 Looks good, but won't hit the ME3600X/ASR920 price-point.

 
  For cheaper option you can check ACX5000.
 
  ACX5000
  
 https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/acx-series/acx5000/
 

 Broadcom chipset, as I mentioned to the OP on c-nsp. Limits your options.

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Re: [j-nsp] Cisco ME3600 migration to something with more 10 gig ports

2015-07-21 Thread Mark Tinka


On 21/Jul/15 14:41, Colton Conor wrote:
 What does the price point of the ME3600X/ASR920 platform look like?
 Looks like for at least the ASR920 and 10G SPF+ ports you have the buy
 the chassis and then upgrade licenses?

As with any vendor, the best deal you can do is one that won't be
published on a public mailing list.

But I'll tell you this, even with the various licenses the ASR920 has,
it is way cheaper than the ACX or QFX. And certainly about half
the cost of the ME3600X.


 Considering a Juniper GFX5100 is ~$11k brand new does it make any
 sense to go with something like an ASR920, or does the ASR have many
 more features than the Juniper QFX5100?

I'll say this, in reference to a fully or even reasonably licensed
ASR920, that QFX is over-priced.

But then again, perhaps you can wrestle Juniper's pricing down to
something low as well. It's hard to talk final prices as each deal is
each deal.

Feature-wise, the ASR920 will beat the QFX or ACX very easily. Even
though it's a switch, it's really a router.


 The 5100 has a ton of port built in, but is more of a switch than router.

Yes.

I think the ACX5000 is more of the router, but again, it's that Broadcom
job that gets in the way.

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