Re: [j-nsp] Small P Router Recommendations

2014-06-05 Thread Julien Goodwin
On 05/06/14 13:30, Ben Dale wrote:
 
 On 5 Jun 2014, at 12:00 pm, Geoff Crawford geoff.crawf...@cwct.ca wrote:
 
 Hi guys!

 I'm a Juniper fan too, but I'll take a non-Juniper answer today. Seems to be 
 an MPLS heavily oriented list, so I figured you guys would know.

 I'm sure we'd all love an EX3200 take could run LDP, pack more than 1 label 
 and do it over aggregated interfaces. Is anyone else making a box that can 
 do that?
 
 If you're after a switch that'll do MPLS/L3VPN, check out the QFX5100.  All 
 10/40G though which might not be what you're after.

This.

If you're after a (true) P router and can handle a BGP-free core the
5100 should be good enough for most networks not big enough to justify a
PTX, at a fraction of the cost.

Sure there's not the redundancy of a PTX, but given that you can buy a
pair of 5100's at list and I'm fairly sure would still be cheaper than
the PTX.



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Re: [j-nsp] Small P Router Recommendations

2014-06-05 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, June 05, 2014 01:58:50 PM Julien Goodwin wrote:

 Sure there's not the redundancy of a PTX, but given that
 you can buy a pair of 5100's at list and I'm fairly sure
 would still be cheaper than the PTX.

The issue I've always had with so-called MPLS-biased routers 
and line cards is that native IPv6 is not yet MPLS-enabled, 
today.

So if your MPLS-biased line cards do not have enough FIB to 
support a growing IPv6 table, that's not good.

Mark.


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Re: [j-nsp] Small P Router Recommendations

2014-06-05 Thread Julien Goodwin
On 05/06/14 22:22, Mark Tinka wrote:
 On Thursday, June 05, 2014 01:58:50 PM Julien Goodwin wrote:
 
 Sure there's not the redundancy of a PTX, but given that
 you can buy a pair of 5100's at list and I'm fairly sure
 would still be cheaper than the PTX.
 
 The issue I've always had with so-called MPLS-biased routers 
 and line cards is that native IPv6 is not yet MPLS-enabled, 
 today.
 
 So if your MPLS-biased line cards do not have enough FIB to 
 support a growing IPv6 table, that's not good.

And of course I doubt the 5100 has enough space for a full v6 table even
today (and that's before ECMP).

You're right, but things are finally improving here, and in theory this
works today, depending on what vendor combination and bugs you've got.
Although it'll be a while still before we can get a v6 native MPLS
network with no v4 needed at all, even for loopbacks.



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[j-nsp] Small P Router Recommendations

2014-06-04 Thread Geoff Crawford
Hi guys!

I'm a Juniper fan too, but I'll take a non-Juniper answer today. Seems to be an 
MPLS heavily oriented list, so I figured you guys would know.

I'm sure we'd all love an EX3200 take could run LDP, pack more than 1 label and 
do it over aggregated interfaces. Is anyone else making a box that can do that?

Need to aggregate a bunch of SRXs, and drag it back to the office. I was 
thinking, would there be any ill-effects to building a larger subnet and 
connecting all the SRXes together with a standard L2 switch, and then have the 
switch uplink to the closest P router? Sure would be nice for adding more boxes 
in the future, no need to touch the P.

Oh, and have they got L3VPN/VPLS figured out on the ACX yet?

Thanks!





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Re: [j-nsp] Small P Router Recommendations

2014-06-04 Thread Ben Dale

On 5 Jun 2014, at 12:00 pm, Geoff Crawford geoff.crawf...@cwct.ca wrote:

 Hi guys!
 
 I'm a Juniper fan too, but I'll take a non-Juniper answer today. Seems to be 
 an MPLS heavily oriented list, so I figured you guys would know.
 
 I'm sure we'd all love an EX3200 take could run LDP, pack more than 1 label 
 and do it over aggregated interfaces. Is anyone else making a box that can do 
 that?

If you're after a switch that'll do MPLS/L3VPN, check out the QFX5100.  All 
10/40G though which might not be what you're after.

 
 Need to aggregate a bunch of SRXs, and drag it back to the office. I was 
 thinking, would there be any ill-effects to building a larger subnet and 
 connecting all the SRXes together with a standard L2 switch, and then have 
 the switch uplink to the closest P router? Sure would be nice for adding more 
 boxes in the future, no need to touch the P.

Why not just run another SRX as a PE and aggregate via that?  The MPLS 
feature-set is pretty comprehensive - L2VPN, VPLS, L3VPN, L2Circuit etc.

 
 Oh, and have they got L3VPN/VPLS figured out on the ACX yet?

L3VPN works just fine, but L2 services are coming soon.

Ben
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Re: [j-nsp] Small P Router Recommendations

2014-06-04 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, June 05, 2014 04:00:39 AM Geoff Crawford wrote:

 I'm sure we'd all love an EX3200 take could run LDP, pack
 more than 1 label and do it over aggregated interfaces.
 Is anyone else making a box that can do that?

The Cisco ME3600X is a 1U Metro-E switch with full IPv4, 
IPv6 and MPLS capabilities.

Your limitations will be 10Gbps ports (it only has two, but 
has 24x Gig-E ports) and a its small FIB.

But if you only have a handful of routes (under 30,000, I 
think), it'll do the job just fine.

Mark.


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