Re: [j-nsp] VC-port over Ethernet

2013-04-23 Thread Nick Kritsky
Graham,

short answer is - yes, EX-3300 can form VC when connected via 3rd switch.
No special settings are required on the uplink switch. However without
special configuration (q-in-q? jumbo frames?) VC is unstable (see below in
test results).
here is the test setup.
1. Topology:
ASW13  ASW11 --- ASW14
ASW11 is EX-4200-24T with two 10G interfaces
ASW13, ASW14 are EX-3300 with default configuration

2. Configuration
ASW11:
xe-0/1/0 {
description sjc-net-asw13:xe-0/1/2;
unit 0 {
family ethernet-switching;
}
}
xe-0/1/2 {
description sjc-net-asw14:xe-0/1/2;
unit 0 {
family ethernet-switching;
}
}

3. results of tests.
3.1 time T: link up on both 10G ports of ASW11
3.2 time T+2 min: link on one of 10G ports of ASW11 goes down and stays
this way.

Somewhere between 3.1 and 3.2 ASW13 and ASW14 form 2-member VC.
After one of the 10G links goes down, VC obviously becomes crippled.

I also have strong suspicion that connecting vc-port to uplink switch may
result in some nasty 2-minute-long loop that is not blocked by STP. I will
check it tomorrow.

nick



On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Graham Brown
juniper-...@grahambrown.infowrote:

 Nick,

 Let us know the results of your testing.

 However you can disable the default by issuing the below two commands:
 request virtual-chassis vc-port delete pic-slot 1 port 2
 request virtual-chassis vc-port delete pic-slot 1 port 3

 HTH,
 Graham


 On 15 April 2013 23:54, Nick Kritsky nick.krit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Klaus,

 No, I don't want to form VC between 3300 and 4500.

 nick


 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Klaus Groeger kla...@gmail.com wrote:

  Just one word, to double check if i understand you. You would like to
 form
  a VC between 3300 and 4500?
 
  That won't work. You can only form VC between 3300 or between 45xxx and
  4200.
  Klaus
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  On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Nick Kritsky nick.krit...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Thanks. Just to clarify - I am actually trying to prevent this from
  happening.
  EX-3300 have ports xe-0/1/2 and xe-0/1/3 put in VC-port mode by
 default.
  So I wonder if two fresh, brand new EX-3300 can form VC when they are
  plugged into upstream 4550 using vc-ports.
  This can explain some strange behavior i was observing recently, but I
  was too busy fixing it, so I didn't run much tests.
  I plan to setup small lab for that. I will let you know of the outcome.
 
  nick
 
 
  On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Klaus Groeger kla...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi
 
  I would recommend Q-in-Q on the intermediate switch. I have seen 4550
 VC
  spanning over metro erhernet, so this should work for 3300 also.
 
  Regards
 
  Klauzi
  —
  Sent from Mailbox https://bit.ly/SZvoJe for iPhone

 
 
  On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Nick Kritsky nick.krit...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Dear J-NSP,
 
  Can anyone confirm/deny if two EX3300 can form virtual-chassis when
  their
  vc-ports are connected via third switch?
 
  thanks
  nick
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Re: [j-nsp] VC-port over Ethernet

2013-04-16 Thread Graham Brown
Nick,

Let us know the results of your testing.

However you can disable the default by issuing the below two commands:
request virtual-chassis vc-port delete pic-slot 1 port 2
request virtual-chassis vc-port delete pic-slot 1 port 3

HTH,
Graham


On 15 April 2013 23:54, Nick Kritsky nick.krit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Klaus,

 No, I don't want to form VC between 3300 and 4500.

 nick


 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Klaus Groeger kla...@gmail.com wrote:

  Just one word, to double check if i understand you. You would like to
 form
  a VC between 3300 and 4500?
 
  That won't work. You can only form VC between 3300 or between 45xxx and
  4200.
  Klaus
  —
  Sent from Mailbox https://bit.ly/SZvoJe for iPhone
 
 
  On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Nick Kritsky nick.krit...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Thanks. Just to clarify - I am actually trying to prevent this from
  happening.
  EX-3300 have ports xe-0/1/2 and xe-0/1/3 put in VC-port mode by default.
  So I wonder if two fresh, brand new EX-3300 can form VC when they are
  plugged into upstream 4550 using vc-ports.
  This can explain some strange behavior i was observing recently, but I
  was too busy fixing it, so I didn't run much tests.
  I plan to setup small lab for that. I will let you know of the outcome.
 
  nick
 
 
  On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Klaus Groeger kla...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi
 
  I would recommend Q-in-Q on the intermediate switch. I have seen 4550
 VC
  spanning over metro erhernet, so this should work for 3300 also.
 
  Regards
 
  Klauzi
  —
  Sent from Mailbox https://bit.ly/SZvoJe for iPhone
 
 
  On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Nick Kritsky nick.krit...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Dear J-NSP,
 
  Can anyone confirm/deny if two EX3300 can form virtual-chassis when
  their
  vc-ports are connected via third switch?
 
  thanks
  nick
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Re: [j-nsp] VC-port over Ethernet

2013-04-15 Thread Nick Kritsky
Thanks. Just to clarify - I am actually trying to prevent this from
happening.
EX-3300 have ports xe-0/1/2 and xe-0/1/3 put in VC-port mode by default. So
I wonder if two fresh, brand new EX-3300 can form VC when they are plugged
into upstream 4550 using vc-ports.
This can explain some strange behavior i was observing recently, but I was
too busy fixing it, so I didn't run much tests.
I plan to setup small lab for that. I will let you know of the outcome.

nick


On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Klaus Groeger kla...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi

 I would recommend Q-in-Q on the intermediate switch. I have seen 4550 VC
 spanning over metro erhernet, so this should work for 3300 also.

 Regards

 Klauzi
 —
 Sent from Mailbox https://bit.ly/SZvoJe for iPhone


 On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Nick Kritsky nick.krit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear J-NSP,

 Can anyone confirm/deny if two EX3300 can form virtual-chassis when their
 vc-ports are connected via third switch?

 thanks
 nick
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Re: [j-nsp] VC-port over Ethernet

2013-04-15 Thread Klaus Groeger
Just one word, to double check if i understand you. You would like to form a VC 
between 3300 and 4500?


That won't work. You can only form VC between 3300 or between 45xxx and 4200. 
Klaus
—
Sent from Mailbox for iPhone

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Nick Kritsky nick.krit...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Thanks. Just to clarify - I am actually trying to prevent this from
 happening.
 EX-3300 have ports xe-0/1/2 and xe-0/1/3 put in VC-port mode by default. So
 I wonder if two fresh, brand new EX-3300 can form VC when they are plugged
 into upstream 4550 using vc-ports.
 This can explain some strange behavior i was observing recently, but I was
 too busy fixing it, so I didn't run much tests.
 I plan to setup small lab for that. I will let you know of the outcome.
 nick
 On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Klaus Groeger kla...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi

 I would recommend Q-in-Q on the intermediate switch. I have seen 4550 VC
 spanning over metro erhernet, so this should work for 3300 also.

 Regards

 Klauzi
 —
 Sent from Mailbox https://bit.ly/SZvoJe for iPhone


 On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Nick Kritsky nick.krit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear J-NSP,

 Can anyone confirm/deny if two EX3300 can form virtual-chassis when their
 vc-ports are connected via third switch?

 thanks
 nick
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Re: [j-nsp] VC-port over Ethernet

2013-04-15 Thread Nick Kritsky
Klaus,

No, I don't want to form VC between 3300 and 4500.

nick


On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Klaus Groeger kla...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just one word, to double check if i understand you. You would like to form
 a VC between 3300 and 4500?

 That won't work. You can only form VC between 3300 or between 45xxx and
 4200.
 Klaus
 —
 Sent from Mailbox https://bit.ly/SZvoJe for iPhone


 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Nick Kritsky nick.krit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks. Just to clarify - I am actually trying to prevent this from
 happening.
 EX-3300 have ports xe-0/1/2 and xe-0/1/3 put in VC-port mode by default.
 So I wonder if two fresh, brand new EX-3300 can form VC when they are
 plugged into upstream 4550 using vc-ports.
 This can explain some strange behavior i was observing recently, but I
 was too busy fixing it, so I didn't run much tests.
 I plan to setup small lab for that. I will let you know of the outcome.

 nick


 On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Klaus Groeger kla...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi

 I would recommend Q-in-Q on the intermediate switch. I have seen 4550 VC
 spanning over metro erhernet, so this should work for 3300 also.

 Regards

 Klauzi
 —
 Sent from Mailbox https://bit.ly/SZvoJe for iPhone


 On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Nick Kritsky nick.krit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear J-NSP,

 Can anyone confirm/deny if two EX3300 can form virtual-chassis when
 their
 vc-ports are connected via third switch?

 thanks
 nick
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Re: [j-nsp] VC-port over Ethernet

2013-04-14 Thread Klaus Groeger
Hi


I would recommend Q-in-Q on the intermediate switch. I have seen 4550 VC 
spanning over metro erhernet, so this should work for 3300 also.


Regards


Klauzi
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On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Nick Kritsky nick.krit...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Dear J-NSP,
 Can anyone confirm/deny if two EX3300 can form virtual-chassis when their
 vc-ports are connected via third switch?
 thanks
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[j-nsp] VC-port over Ethernet

2013-04-13 Thread Nick Kritsky
Dear J-NSP,

Can anyone confirm/deny if two EX3300 can form virtual-chassis when their
vc-ports are connected via third switch?

thanks
nick
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