Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Phil Bedard]

I misspoke, there is a higher performance version starting in 5.4.0 of XRv and 
6.0 as well.  These do use the DPDK.  

Phil 

From:  Phil B <phil...@gmail.com>
Date:  Friday, January 8, 2016 at 19:40
To:  Adam Vitkovsky <adam.vitkov...@gamma.co.uk>, Robert Hass 
<robh...@gmail.com>, Mark Tinka <mark.ti...@seacom.mu>
Cc:  "juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net" <juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net>
Subject:  RE: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

There isn't a performance optimized version of XRv, it's really only useful for 
low speed applications like the vRR bersion of Junos.  I do use them 
extensively for control plane testing and they work as vRRs.  

 

 Now 6.0 is starting to get there since it is Linux based instead of QNX, has 
CPU core affinities, etc.  Afaik still no support for Intel DPDK like vMX and 
the vSR from ALU.

 

Phil

 

 

 


From: Adam Vitkovsky
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:52 AM
To: Robert Hass; Mark Tinka
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Subject: Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

 

Hi,

 

> Robert Hass

> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:03 PM

> 

> But returning to vMX - we have a lot of use-cases for vMX, so Cisco products

> are not cure for us :) Still waiting for *WORKING* vMX do VMware.

> 

Got me wondering in what use cases vMX is better than XRv please?

 

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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Robert Hass]

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 4:35 AM, Phil Bedard  wrote:

>
> Yes I’ve used both versions.  I know it’s supposed to be DPDK enabled but
> I wasn’t able to push very much through the 5.4.0 and 6.0 images I have.
> Not really that close to what the vMX could do.
>

Using 5.4.0 image In pushed easily 3Gbps in one direction (total 6Gbps) on
1 CPU Core.
How much traffic you pushed ?

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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Phil Bedard]

There isn't a performance optimized version of XRv, it's really only useful for 
low speed applications like the vRR bersion of Junos.  I do use them 
extensively for control plane testing and they work as vRRs.  

 Now 6.0 is starting to get there since it is Linux based instead of QNX, has 
CPU core affinities, etc.  Afaik still no support for Intel DPDK like vMX and 
the vSR from ALU.

Phil




From: Adam Vitkovsky
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 7:52 AM
To: Robert Hass; Mark Tinka
Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

Hi,

> Robert Hass
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:03 PM
>
> But returning to vMX - we have a lot of use-cases for vMX, so Cisco products
> are not cure for us :) Still waiting for *WORKING* vMX do VMware.
>
Got me wondering in what use cases vMX is better than XRv please?

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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Robert Hass]

>
> This release for ESXi is joke and crap. Just waste of my time.
>

Someone who wrote documentation (Getting Started Guide) forget that VCP
needs 3rd disk - metadata_usb.vmdk. After adding this disk vMX is proper
detected and communitcation with vFCP is established. I noticed vmxnet3 for
VFP doesn't works well (eg. I cannot ping hosts / show interface ge-0/0/0
freeze CLI), after changed them to e1000 preforms as expected.


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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Eric Van Tol]

> It would seem that vMX is still in the quite early stages.  When I looked
> at it a few months ago, the documentation was lacking lots of details.  In
> the end, I just didn't feel like it was ready for production in the role
> that I wanted to use it in.  The lack of VMWare support at the time was one
> of the main reasons as well.

While I applaud Juniper for continuing to develop vMX, can someone shed some 
light as to how this type of nonsense gets by the product managers and QA? To 
their credit, they are responding to issues on their forum and quickly trying 
to fix them, but how does it even get this far? Are they trying to meet 
arbitrary release deadlines? Was this meant to be a beta release or an official 
release?

evt
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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Julie Zhao]

Hi All,

Thanks for your interest in vMX!  We apologize for a couple of missing pieces 
as part of vMX 15.1F4 release that have caused issues on user end.  First, vMX 
ESXi image was missing due to some backend script issues.  Second, Getting 
Started Guide for VMWare for vMX was missing a reference to metadata_usb file 
which caused VFP VM launch issue. Both issues have been resolved. Please refer 
to Juniper’s website for the images and documentation.

If you’re seeing other issues, please use Juniper vMX forum 
http://forums.juniper.net/t5/vMX/bd-p/vMX for support.

Regards,
Juniper vMX Team






On 1/7/16, 6:22 AM, "juniper-nsp on behalf of Robert Hass" 
 wrote:

>On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Robert Hass  wrote:
>
>> It would seem that vMX is still in the quite early stages.  When I looked
>>> at it a few months ago, the documentation was lacking lots of details.  In
>>> the end, I just didn't feel like it was ready for production in the role
>>> that I wanted to use it in.  The lack of VMWare support at the time was one
>>> of the main reasons as well
>>>
>>
>> After short testing I can confirm same feelings. Got a lot of error
>> messages like this:
>>
>
>Just one funny bug to confirm our feelings about vMX maturity :)
>'show chassis hardware' shows different Serial Number after reboot. Huh so
>how assign license do my VM ? :)
>
>ChassisVMX77 VMX
>ChassisVMX81 VMX
>ChassisVMX11 VMX
>
>Cheers
>Rob
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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Robert Hass]

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Mark Tinka  wrote:

> Cisco have been at this longer than Juniper, so you have to appreciate
> that it will take some time to get a decent product from Juniper.
>
> Otherwise, you'll pull all your hair out.
>
>
We're using CSR 1000V (1G AX licenses) for some routing (even BGP)
plus a lot of VPNs (IKEv2, DM-VPN). Performance is not superb in terms
pure packet forwarding (I cannot beat 600-800Mbps), but in terms of
encryption/VPNs is very similar to ASR1000 - easly did 500-600Mbps of
IPSEC. I can pretty recommend CSR for any crypto/VPN tasks.
Very nice piece for NFV software.

I had opportunity to test XRv9K 5.4.0 for more "SP" task - BGP
plus fast forwarding. On 1 CPU core (HT disabled) we did 5-6Gbps
which was totally impossible with CSR 1000V.

But returning to vMX - we have a lot of use-cases for vMX, so Cisco
products are not cure for us :) Still waiting for *WORKING* vMX
do VMware.

Cheers,
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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Mark Tinka]

On 5/Jan/16 09:50, Robert Hass wrote:

>
>
> Hi
> Thanks for update, great to hear that. But I downloaded 15.1F4 vMX from
> juniper.net and very disappointed as:
> 1) There is no OVA images in .tgz. Just *.img, *.tgz which are useless for
> VMware. I can convert them to VMDK but come on I want official OVA for
> supported product, not dirty solutions
> 2) installation doc called 'VMX_Release_Notes_Installation_Guide_Beta.pdf'
> (see keyword: Beta :) ) doesn't mentioned anything related to VMware ESXi
> just KVM & Ubuntu shit.
>
> Above is regarding vmx-15.1F4.15.tgz (size=1561459359)

Cisco have been at this longer than Juniper, so you have to appreciate
that it will take some time to get a decent product from Juniper.

Otherwise, you'll pull all your hair out.

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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Mark Tinka]

On 6/Jan/16 14:03, Robert Hass wrote:

>
>
> We're using CSR 1000V (1G AX licenses) for some routing (even BGP)
> plus a lot of VPNs (IKEv2, DM-VPN). Performance is not superb in terms
> pure packet forwarding (I cannot beat 600-800Mbps), but in terms of
> encryption/VPNs is very similar to ASR1000 - easly did 500-600Mbps of
> IPSEC. I can pretty recommend CSR for any crypto/VPN tasks.
> Very nice piece for NFV software.

http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/2015-August/100318.html

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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Robert Hass]

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Mark Tees  wrote:

> One thing I noticed missing in the Vmware document/procedure appeared
> to be the process for using SR-IOV with Vmware.
>
> Do we just follow the Vmware docs on this and the vPFE will pickup the
> virtual functions or is this not supported yet?
>

Hi
This release for ESXi is joke and crap. Just waste of my time.
Forget about checking SR-IOV as I got issues with basics.

Downloaded and deployed according to Getting Started Guide.
My machine is HP DL380p Gen8, Dual E5-2680v2, 256GB RAM, Intel 10GE NICs.
Hypervisor - ESXi 6.0 update 01

In the moment I will deploy again but now on ESXi 5.5 update 02 as
GSG recommends. But I don't feel it will change anything.


1) VCP - olive ?!? probably this is major problem as VM wasn't proper
detected

root@VCP> show version
Hostname: VCP
Model: olive
Junos: 15.1F4.15
JUNOS Base OS boot [15.1F4.15]


root@VCP> show chassis hardware
error: Unrecognized command (chassis-control)


root@VCP> show system license
  ^
syntax error, expecting .


+ crashing process all the time

Jan  6 11:12:15  VCP l2cpd[7747]: stp_enable_modules : Failed to get stp
base mac address.   All modules will remain disabled.
Jan  6 11:12:16  VCP init: l2cpd-service (PID 7747) terminated by signal
number 6. Core dumped!
Jan  6 11:12:16  VCP init: Dump Command: /bin/sh (PID 7937) started
Jan  6 11:12:16  VCP init: l2cpd-service (PID 7938) started
Jan  6 11:12:16  VCP dfwd[2372]: dfwdlib_process_client_disconnect:10664
num_client_id = 1
Jan  6 11:12:16  VCP dfwd[2372]: dfwdlib_process_client_disconnect:10673
num_id_list[0] = 5
Jan  6 11:12:16  VCP gkmd: Exit at main 1105
Jan  6 11:12:17  VCP jpppd: jpppd: main : RLIMIT_STACK cur: 67108864, max:
67108864
Jan  6 11:12:17  VCP jpppd: jpppd: main : RLIMIT_SBSIZE cur: 4294967295,
max: 4294967295
Jan  6 11:12:17  VCP jpppd: pid = 8065: IssuWaitTimer: ctor
Jan  6 11:12:17  VCP jpppd: pid = 8065: PppIssuMgr: ctor
Jan  6 11:12:17  VCP dumpd: Core and context for l2cpd saved in
/var/tmp/l2cpd.core-tarball.4.tgz



2) VFP

last messages from console - stack at waiting for VCP :

/home/pfe/riot/phase2_launch.sh: line 154: /var/jnx/card/local/vm_type: No
such file or directory
/home/pfe/riot/phase2_launch.sh: line 157: /var/jnx/card/local/type: No
such file or directory
Waiting for RE to come up


Probably I will open JTAC case as we own some VMX commercial licenses
bought during
last MX purchase.

Rob
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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Adam Vitkovsky]

Hi,

> Robert Hass
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:03 PM
>
> But returning to vMX - we have a lot of use-cases for vMX, so Cisco products
> are not cure for us :) Still waiting for *WORKING* vMX do VMware.
>
Got me wondering in what use cases vMX is better than XRv please?

adam



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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Alexander Marhold]

Hi

There is a separate forum for vMX 

http://forums.juniper.net/t5/vMX/bd-p/vMX

so I would suggest to put questions and answers regarding the vMX product
here.

Regarding the mentioned problems on ESXi ( or VMware) there seems to be some
discrepancies and I brought the vMX to run on VMware WS only after some try
and error,  I will put info into the vMX forum today

The docu is more or less useless, e.g there is a vmdk named
metadata_usb.vmdk which is not mentioned in the setup procedure

With best regards

Alexander

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: juniper-nsp [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] Im Auftrag von
Mark Tees
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Januar 2016 02:34
An: Dale Shaw
Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Betreff: Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

Hi Dale/Robert,

One thing I noticed missing in the Vmware document/procedure appeared to be
the process for using SR-IOV with Vmware.

Do we just follow the Vmware docs on this and the vPFE will pickup the
virtual functions or is this not supported yet?

Cheers,

Mark



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> Hi again,
>
> On Tuesday, 5 January 2016, Robert Hass <robh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But still TGZ package doesn't have files which I'm looking and above 
> guide
>> referring them - *.vmdk files :(
>
>
> Please check again -- the ESXi packages have now been posted.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Mark Tinka]

On 6/Jan/16 15:04, Alexander Marhold wrote:

> Hi
>
> There is a separate forum for vMX 
>
> http://forums.juniper.net/t5/vMX/bd-p/vMX
>
> so I would suggest to put questions and answers regarding the vMX product
> here.

I think it is good to talk about vMX on this list, as well as on the
dedicated forum.

Mark.
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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Robert Hass]

>http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/2015-August/100318.html


Our ESXi'es hosts + CSR 1K VMs are already after above tuning

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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Robert Hass]

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Adam Vitkovsky 
wrote:

> Got me wondering in what use cases vMX is better than XRv please?
>

It's all about OPEX - we have people here working with JunOS for ages and
never touched XR. Nobody will invest in XR training, also we don't want to
have two platforms for specific services.

Two points against XRv:
- crazy and time consuming upgrade procedure for XR comparing to IOS/IOS
XE/JunOS
- SmartLicensing only, cloud licensing sucks

Big point for XRv:
- great performance
- general packaing/support is much better for Cisco NFV than vMX. But I
hope vMX will catch vSRX which is already mature.

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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Alexander Marhold]

Hi !

Maybe you missed the VMX getting started guide

http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/vmx15.1f4/information-products/pathway
-pages/getting-started/vmx-gsg-vmware.html

he describes in detail how to setup vMX on ESXi

regards

alexander


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An: Dale Shaw
Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Betreff: Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 11:29 PM, Dale Shaw <dale.shaw+j-...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> ESXi support was introduced in vMX release 15.1F4.
>
>
> http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/vmx15.1f4/information-products/t
> opic-collections/release-notes/jd0e52.html#jd0e52
>
>
Hi
Thanks for update, great to hear that. But I downloaded 15.1F4 vMX from
juniper.net and very disappointed as:
1) There is no OVA images in .tgz. Just *.img, *.tgz which are useless for
VMware. I can convert them to VMDK but come on I want official OVA for
supported product, not dirty solutions
2) installation doc called 'VMX_Release_Notes_Installation_Guide_Beta.pdf'
(see keyword: Beta :) ) doesn't mentioned anything related to VMware ESXi
just KVM & Ubuntu shit.

Above is regarding vmx-15.1F4.15.tgz (size=1561459359)

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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Robert Hass]

> Maybe you missed the VMX getting started guide
>
>
> http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/vmx15.1f4/information-products/pathway
> -pages/getting-started/vmx-gsg-vmware.html
>
>
Hi
Thanks for this hint. Finally these guide looks What I'm looking for
regarding documentation.
But still TGZ package doesn't have files which I'm looking and above guide
referring them - *.vmdk files :(

Page 24:
Table 7: vMX Package Contents

vmdk/jinstall64-vmx*.vmdk Software image file for VCP.
vmdk/vmxhdd.vmdk Software image file for VCP file storage.
vmdk/vFPC_*.vmdk
vmdk/metadata_usb.vmdk Virtual hard disk with bootstrapping information

Look what we have in F4 vMX TGZ from juniper.net

~/download$ ls -la *.tgz
-rw--- 1 robert users 1561459359 Dec 29 06:36 vmx-15.1F4.15.tgz
~/download$ tar zxf vmx-15.1F4.15.tgz
~/download$ cd vmx-15.1F4-3
~/download/vmx-15.1F4-3$ find ./ -type f | wc -l
  94
~/download/vmx-15.1F4-3$ find ./ -type f | grep vmdk
~/download/vmx-15.1F4-3$

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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Dale Shaw]

Hi again,

On Tuesday, 5 January 2016, Robert Hass  wrote:

But still TGZ package doesn't have files which I'm looking and above guide
> referring them - *.vmdk files :(


Please check again -- the ESXi packages have now been posted.

Cheers,
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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Mark Tees]

Hi Dale/Robert,

One thing I noticed missing in the Vmware document/procedure appeared
to be the process for using SR-IOV with Vmware.

Do we just follow the Vmware docs on this and the vPFE will pickup the
virtual functions or is this not supported yet?

Cheers,

Mark



On 6 January 2016 at 12:09, Dale Shaw  wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> On Tuesday, 5 January 2016, Robert Hass  wrote:
>
> But still TGZ package doesn't have files which I'm looking and above guide
>> referring them - *.vmdk files :(
>
>
> Please check again -- the ESXi packages have now been posted.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Dale Shaw]

Hi Robert,

On Tuesday, 5 January 2016, Robert Hass  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I'm looking for any scheduled release date for vMX (Virtual MX) for VMware
> ESXi platform ?


ESXi support was introduced in vMX release 15.1F4.

http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/vmx15.1f4/information-products/topic-collections/release-notes/jd0e52.html#jd0e52

Cheers,
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[j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Robert Hass]

Hi

I'm looking for any scheduled release date for vMX (Virtual MX) for VMware
ESXi platform ?

Current releases are only for Linux virtualization (KVM) which is far away
from VMware in matter of management and easy of use. So until VMware
release for us vMX is currently useless.

Rob
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Re: [j-nsp] vMX for ESXi

[Robert Hass]

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 11:29 PM, Dale Shaw 
wrote:

> ESXi support was introduced in vMX release 15.1F4.
>
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> http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/vmx15.1f4/information-products/topic-collections/release-notes/jd0e52.html#jd0e52
>
>
Hi
Thanks for update, great to hear that. But I downloaded 15.1F4 vMX from
juniper.net and very disappointed as:
1) There is no OVA images in .tgz. Just *.img, *.tgz which are useless for
VMware. I can convert them to VMDK but come on I want official OVA for
supported product, not dirty solutions
2) installation doc called 'VMX_Release_Notes_Installation_Guide_Beta.pdf'
(see keyword: Beta :) ) doesn't mentioned anything related to VMware ESXi
just KVM & Ubuntu shit.

Above is regarding vmx-15.1F4.15.tgz (size=1561459359)

Rob
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