Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Steve Freed]

I have exactly the same situation and issue. I have 7 email accounts and 
having an overview of all accounts with the number of unread in each 
...and the ability to sync all of them at the same time, is 
*indispensable* for me too.


I have temporarily (hopefully) switched to a different app and will see 
what shakes out when the new version of k-9 mail is complete. If the 
accounts overview is indeed gone in the final release, I'll 
unfortunately have to stick with my alt.


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On 4/23/20 4:03 AM, Leszek J Chmielewski wrote:

For me the Accounts List with numbers of unread messages was *indispensable*.
It enabled me to see the current situation at a glance.

However, it happened to be necessary for me to switch to the recent
version, hence most up-to-date with underying technologies. So I moved to
the beta version. But probably for short, due to this discomfort,
technically minor but ergonomically unbearable.




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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Leszek J Chmielewski]

For me the Accounts List with numbers of unread messages was *indispensable*. 
It enabled me to see the current situation at a glance.

However, it happened to be necessary for me to switch to the recent 
version, hence most up-to-date with underying technologies. So I moved to 
the beta version. But probably for short, due to this discomfort, 
technically minor but ergonomically unbearable.


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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Hans-Peter Lehmann]

You do not need to extract the apk. All apks for previous versions are 
available officially: https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/releases

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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[David W. Jones]

Thanks. That's the one with 4.0 rating and reviews complaining about it serving 
ads, popups and ads in browsers, and slowing devices down?

I'm checking out Apk Extract and ML Manager instead.

On February 19, 2020 10:00:16 AM HST, Stephen Prentice 
 wrote:
>Sorry. I should have been more specific. Apk Extractor and the authors
>name 
>is meher https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ext.ui
>
>On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:55:08 PM UTC-6, David W. Jones
>wrote:
>>
>> Which app? Found none by that name and a lot listed as "Apk
>Extractor". ;) 
>>
>> On February 19, 2020 8:15:34 AM HST, Stephen Prentice
>> > wrote: 
>> >Yes. Look for an app in The Play Store named Apk Extract. Make sure
>to 
>> >backup your account setting too. 
>> > 
>> >On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:19:48 PM UTC-6, Uwe Deutscher
>wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> Is there a way to save the existing  final version's *.apk so that
>
>> >you can 
>> >> go back if you don't like the upcoming final? 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---- 
>> >> Von: Barry Margolius > 
>> >> Gesendet: 18. Februar 2020 22:37:05 MEZ 
>> >> An: 'Uwe Deutscher' >, 
>> >> k-9-...@googlegroups.com  
>> >> Betreff: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone? 
>> >> 
>> >> That would work, but I do want the newer Gmail authentication that
>I 
>> >> assume (hope?) they are working on for that version. 
>> >> 
>> >> -Original Message- 
>> >> From: Uwe Deutscher > 
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 3:44 PM 
>> >> To: k-9-...@googlegroups.com ; Barry Margolius < 
>> >> bmarg...@gmail.com > 
>> >> Subject: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone? 
>> >> 
>> >> If you just don't update, nothing will change! 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht  
>> >> Von: Barry Margolius > 
>> >> Gesendet: 18. Februar 2020 18:27:59 MEZ 
>> >> An: k-9-...@googlegroups.com  
>> >> Betreff: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone? 
>> >> 
>> >> I never heard of FairEmail.  I'm going to look it up.   
>> >> 
>> >> I've not yet tried the beta version, but I do like the accounts
>page. 
>> > I 
>> >> want to be ready with a K9 alternative in case I don't like it. 
>> >Anybody 
>> >> have other ideas about email clients to try? 
>> >> 
>> >> -Original Message- 
>> >> From: k-9-...@googlegroups.com  
>> >> >> > On Behalf Of cx05 
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 1:34 AM 
>> >> To: K-9 Mail > 
>> >> Subject: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone? 
>> >> 
>> >> Seems the devs plan to bring back unread numbers in the account 
>> >dropdown: 
>> >> 
>> >> https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/4515 
>> >> 
>> >> Although a small step in the right direction, it is really no 
>> >replacement 
>> >> for the account overview page. 
>> >> 
>> >> I personally don't get why the account overview page would not fit
>in 
>> >the 
>> >> new UI concept: 
>> >> They could just add an optional entry to the drawer on the left
>that 
>> >> navigates to the overview and make the back key also show it. This
>
>> >would 
>> >> also be the entry that is first shown when k9 starts. The overview
>
>> >page 
>> >> would then be an alias for the drawer UI. 
>> >> Not sure whether there are any difficulties considering the 
>> >programming 
>> >> side, but UI wise this integration would work and give the best of
>
>> >both 
>> >> worlds. 
>> >> 
>> >> It really seems that the devs don't care about their long term
>power 
>> >> users. It's their right, but it will lead to a client that is 
>> >inferior to 
>> >> many existing mail clients (e.g. FairEmail). 
>> >> K-9 currently cannot compete feature wise, but was more organized
>and 
>> > 
>> >> resource efficient when using many accounts. That's the reason why
>I chose it. 
>> >> Remove that overview page and it's just a gmail clone with fewer 
>> >features 
>> >> than the competition. Thats the same road Opera went: sacrifice
>your core 
>> >> users for the sake of wider audience. But the wider audience does
>> >not care 
>> >> about the product and does not invest into it. Hope the devs
>> >> reconsider this. 



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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Stephen Prentice]

Sorry. I should have been more specific. Apk Extractor and the authors name 
is meher https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ext.ui

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:55:08 PM UTC-6, David W. Jones wrote:
>
> Which app? Found none by that name and a lot listed as "Apk Extractor". ;) 
>
> On February 19, 2020 8:15:34 AM HST, Stephen Prentice  > wrote: 
> >Yes. Look for an app in The Play Store named Apk Extract. Make sure to 
> >backup your account setting too. 
> > 
> >On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:19:48 PM UTC-6, Uwe Deutscher wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Is there a way to save the existing  final version's *.apk so that 
> >you can 
> >> go back if you don't like the upcoming final? 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht  
> >> Von: Barry Margolius > 
> >> Gesendet: 18. Februar 2020 22:37:05 MEZ 
> >> An: 'Uwe Deutscher' >, 
> >> k-9-...@googlegroups.com  
> >> Betreff: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone? 
> >> 
> >> That would work, but I do want the newer Gmail authentication that I 
> >> assume (hope?) they are working on for that version. 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message- 
> >> From: Uwe Deutscher > 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 3:44 PM 
> >> To: k-9-...@googlegroups.com ; Barry Margolius < 
> >> bmarg...@gmail.com > 
> >> Subject: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone? 
> >> 
> >> If you just don't update, nothing will change! 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht  
> >> Von: Barry Margolius > 
> >> Gesendet: 18. Februar 2020 18:27:59 MEZ 
> >> An: k-9-...@googlegroups.com  
> >> Betreff: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone? 
> >> 
> >> I never heard of FairEmail.  I'm going to look it up.   
> >> 
> >> I've not yet tried the beta version, but I do like the accounts page. 
> > I 
> >> want to be ready with a K9 alternative in case I don't like it. 
> >Anybody 
> >> have other ideas about email clients to try? 
> >> 
> >> -Original Message- 
> >> From: k-9-...@googlegroups.com  
> > >> > On Behalf Of cx05 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 1:34 AM 
> >> To: K-9 Mail > 
> >> Subject: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone? 
> >> 
> >> Seems the devs plan to bring back unread numbers in the account 
> >dropdown: 
> >> 
> >> https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/4515 
> >> 
> >> Although a small step in the right direction, it is really no 
> >replacement 
> >> for the account overview page. 
> >> 
> >> I personally don't get why the account overview page would not fit in 
> >the 
> >> new UI concept: 
> >> They could just add an optional entry to the drawer on the left that 
> >> navigates to the overview and make the back key also show it. This 
> >would 
> >> also be the entry that is first shown when k9 starts. The overview 
> >page 
> >> would then be an alias for the drawer UI. 
> >> Not sure whether there are any difficulties considering the 
> >programming 
> >> side, but UI wise this integration would work and give the best of 
> >both 
> >> worlds. 
> >> 
> >> It really seems that the devs don't care about their long term power 
> >> users. It's their right, but it will lead to a client that is 
> >inferior to 
> >> many existing mail clients (e.g. FairEmail). 
> >> K-9 currently cannot compete feature wise, but was more organized and 
> > 
> >> resource efficient when using many accounts. That's the reason why I 
> >chose 
> >> it. 
> >> Remove that overview page and it's just a gmail clone with fewer 
> >features 
> >> than the competition. Thats the same road Opera went: sacrifice your 
> >core 
> >> users for the sake of wider audience. But the wider audience does not 
> >care 
> >> about the product and does not invest into it. Hope the devs reconsider 
> >> this. 
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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> gnome...@gmail.com  
> wandering the landscape of god 
> http://dancingtreefrog.com 
>
> Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. 
>

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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[David W. Jones]

Which app? Found none by that name and a lot listed as "Apk Extractor". ;)

On February 19, 2020 8:15:34 AM HST, Stephen Prentice  
wrote:
>Yes. Look for an app in The Play Store named Apk Extract. Make sure to 
>backup your account setting too.
>
>On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:19:48 PM UTC-6, Uwe Deutscher wrote:
>>
>> Is there a way to save the existing  final version's *.apk so that
>you can 
>> go back if you don't like the upcoming final? 
>>
>>
>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht  
>> Von: Barry Margolius > 
>> Gesendet: 18. Februar 2020 22:37:05 MEZ 
>> An: 'Uwe Deutscher' >, 
>> k-9-...@googlegroups.com  
>> Betreff: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone? 
>>
>> That would work, but I do want the newer Gmail authentication that I 
>> assume (hope?) they are working on for that version. 
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Uwe Deutscher > 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 3:44 PM 
>> To: k-9-...@googlegroups.com ; Barry Margolius <
>> bmarg...@gmail.com > 
>> Subject: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone? 
>>
>> If you just don't update, nothing will change! 
>>
>>
>> ---- Ursprüngliche Nachricht  
>> Von: Barry Margolius > 
>> Gesendet: 18. Februar 2020 18:27:59 MEZ 
>> An: k-9-...@googlegroups.com  
>> Betreff: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone? 
>>
>> I never heard of FairEmail.  I'm going to look it up.   
>>
>> I've not yet tried the beta version, but I do like the accounts page.
> I 
>> want to be ready with a K9 alternative in case I don't like it. 
>Anybody 
>> have other ideas about email clients to try? 
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: k-9-...@googlegroups.com 
>> > On Behalf Of cx05 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 1:34 AM 
>> To: K-9 Mail > 
>> Subject: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone? 
>>
>> Seems the devs plan to bring back unread numbers in the account
>dropdown: 
>>
>> https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/4515 
>>
>> Although a small step in the right direction, it is really no
>replacement 
>> for the account overview page. 
>>
>> I personally don't get why the account overview page would not fit in
>the 
>> new UI concept: 
>> They could just add an optional entry to the drawer on the left that 
>> navigates to the overview and make the back key also show it. This
>would 
>> also be the entry that is first shown when k9 starts. The overview
>page 
>> would then be an alias for the drawer UI. 
>> Not sure whether there are any difficulties considering the
>programming 
>> side, but UI wise this integration would work and give the best of
>both 
>> worlds. 
>>
>> It really seems that the devs don't care about their long term power 
>> users. It's their right, but it will lead to a client that is
>inferior to 
>> many existing mail clients (e.g. FairEmail). 
>> K-9 currently cannot compete feature wise, but was more organized and
>
>> resource efficient when using many accounts. That's the reason why I
>chose 
>> it. 
>> Remove that overview page and it's just a gmail clone with fewer
>features 
>> than the competition. Thats the same road Opera went: sacrifice your
>core 
>> users for the sake of wider audience. But the wider audience does not
>care 
>> about the product and does not invest into it. Hope the devs reconsider 
>> this. 




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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Stephen Prentice]

Yes. Look for an app in The Play Store named Apk Extract. Make sure to 
backup your account setting too.

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:19:48 PM UTC-6, Uwe Deutscher wrote:
>
> Is there a way to save the existing  final version's *.apk so that you can 
> go back if you don't like the upcoming final? 
>
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht  
> Von: Barry Margolius > 
> Gesendet: 18. Februar 2020 22:37:05 MEZ 
> An: 'Uwe Deutscher' >, 
> k-9-...@googlegroups.com  
> Betreff: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone? 
>
> That would work, but I do want the newer Gmail authentication that I 
> assume (hope?) they are working on for that version. 
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Uwe Deutscher > 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 3:44 PM 
> To: k-9-...@googlegroups.com ; Barry Margolius <
> bmarg...@gmail.com > 
> Subject: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone? 
>
> If you just don't update, nothing will change! 
>
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht  
> Von: Barry Margolius > 
> Gesendet: 18. Februar 2020 18:27:59 MEZ 
> An: k-9-...@googlegroups.com  
> Betreff: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone? 
>
> I never heard of FairEmail.  I'm going to look it up.   
>
> I've not yet tried the beta version, but I do like the accounts page.  I 
> want to be ready with a K9 alternative in case I don't like it.  Anybody 
> have other ideas about email clients to try? 
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: k-9-...@googlegroups.com   > On Behalf Of cx05 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 1:34 AM 
> To: K-9 Mail > 
> Subject: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone? 
>
> Seems the devs plan to bring back unread numbers in the account dropdown: 
>
> https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/4515 
>
> Although a small step in the right direction, it is really no replacement 
> for the account overview page. 
>
> I personally don't get why the account overview page would not fit in the 
> new UI concept: 
> They could just add an optional entry to the drawer on the left that 
> navigates to the overview and make the back key also show it. This would 
> also be the entry that is first shown when k9 starts. The overview page 
> would then be an alias for the drawer UI. 
> Not sure whether there are any difficulties considering the programming 
> side, but UI wise this integration would work and give the best of both 
> worlds. 
>
> It really seems that the devs don't care about their long term power 
> users. It's their right, but it will lead to a client that is inferior to 
> many existing mail clients (e.g. FairEmail). 
> K-9 currently cannot compete feature wise, but was more organized and 
> resource efficient when using many accounts. That's the reason why I chose 
> it. 
> Remove that overview page and it's just a gmail clone with fewer features 
> than the competition. Thats the same road Opera went: sacrifice your core 
> users for the sake of wider audience. But the wider audience does not care 
> about the product and does not invest into it. Hope the devs reconsider 
> this. 
>
>
>
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> gesendet. 
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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Anton Himbeer]

Staying on 5.6 forever was not an option for me, but since I did not want 
to sacrifice the accounts page I went on the lookout for an alternative 
mail program, most preferably open source.

After a few days of testing I have now fully switched over to FairEmail. 
Suits my needs perfectly, but of course that is a matter of personal 
preference.
Apart from many other features it has an accounts page (as an option) 
including the number of unread mails. And finally Push (IMAP idle) is 
working quite reliably :-) I never managed to get this working properly 
with K-9 on any phone I had...

And moving mails between folders of different accounts is not a problem, I 
just tested it a few minutes ago :-) 

Am Mittwoch, 19. Februar 2020 01:46:56 UTC+1 schrieb David W. Jones:
>
> On February 18, 2020 10:25:30 AM HST, Valerio Messina  > wrote:
>>
>> On 02/18/20 19:45, David W. Jones wrote:
>>
>>> picked K-9 because it let me move emails between folders
>>>
>>
>> but it cannot move mails between folders of different IMAP account, a 
>> feature very normal with Thunderbird and a PC
>>
>>
> I agree. Been a major annoyance to me. And it seems like something that 
> should be doable relatively easily.
>
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>
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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[David W. Jones]

On February 18, 2020 10:25:30 AM HST, Valerio Messina  wrote:
>On 02/18/20 19:45, David W. Jones wrote:
>> picked K-9 because it let me move emails between folders
>
>but it cannot move mails between folders of different IMAP account, a 
>feature very normal with Thunderbird and a PC
>
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I agree. Been a major annoyance to me. And it seems like something that should 
be doable relatively easily.

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RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Uwe Deutscher]

Is there a way to save the existing  final version's *.apk so that you can go 
back if you don't like the upcoming final?


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Barry Margolius 
Gesendet: 18. Februar 2020 22:37:05 MEZ
An: 'Uwe Deutscher' , k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
Betreff: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

That would work, but I do want the newer Gmail authentication that I assume 
(hope?) they are working on for that version.

-Original Message-
From: Uwe Deutscher  
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 3:44 PM
To: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com; Barry Margolius 
Subject: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

If you just don't update, nothing will change!


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Barry Margolius 
Gesendet: 18. Februar 2020 18:27:59 MEZ
An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
Betreff: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

I never heard of FairEmail.  I'm going to look it up.  

I've not yet tried the beta version, but I do like the accounts page.  I want 
to be ready with a K9 alternative in case I don't like it.  Anybody have other 
ideas about email clients to try?

-Original Message-
From: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of cx05
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 1:34 AM
To: K-9 Mail 
Subject: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

Seems the devs plan to bring back unread numbers in the account dropdown:

https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/4515

Although a small step in the right direction, it is really no replacement for 
the account overview page.

I personally don't get why the account overview page would not fit in the new 
UI concept:
They could just add an optional entry to the drawer on the left that navigates 
to the overview and make the back key also show it. This would also be the 
entry that is first shown when k9 starts. The overview page would then be an 
alias for the drawer UI.
Not sure whether there are any difficulties considering the programming side, 
but UI wise this integration would work and give the best of both worlds.

It really seems that the devs don't care about their long term power users. 
It's their right, but it will lead to a client that is inferior to many 
existing mail clients (e.g. FairEmail).
K-9 currently cannot compete feature wise, but was more organized and resource 
efficient when using many accounts. That's the reason why I chose it. 
Remove that overview page and it's just a gmail clone with fewer features than 
the competition. Thats the same road Opera went: sacrifice your core users for 
the sake of wider audience. But the wider audience does not care about the 
product and does not invest into it. Hope the devs reconsider this.



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RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Barry Margolius]

That would work, but I do want the newer Gmail authentication that I assume 
(hope?) they are working on for that version.

-Original Message-
From: Uwe Deutscher  
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 3:44 PM
To: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com; Barry Margolius 
Subject: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

If you just don't update, nothing will change!


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Barry Margolius 
Gesendet: 18. Februar 2020 18:27:59 MEZ
An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
Betreff: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

I never heard of FairEmail.  I'm going to look it up.  

I've not yet tried the beta version, but I do like the accounts page.  I want 
to be ready with a K9 alternative in case I don't like it.  Anybody have other 
ideas about email clients to try?

-Original Message-
From: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of cx05
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 1:34 AM
To: K-9 Mail 
Subject: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

Seems the devs plan to bring back unread numbers in the account dropdown:

https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/4515

Although a small step in the right direction, it is really no replacement for 
the account overview page.

I personally don't get why the account overview page would not fit in the new 
UI concept:
They could just add an optional entry to the drawer on the left that navigates 
to the overview and make the back key also show it. This would also be the 
entry that is first shown when k9 starts. The overview page would then be an 
alias for the drawer UI.
Not sure whether there are any difficulties considering the programming side, 
but UI wise this integration would work and give the best of both worlds.

It really seems that the devs don't care about their long term power users. 
It's their right, but it will lead to a client that is inferior to many 
existing mail clients (e.g. FairEmail).
K-9 currently cannot compete feature wise, but was more organized and resource 
efficient when using many accounts. That's the reason why I chose it. 
Remove that overview page and it's just a gmail clone with fewer features than 
the competition. Thats the same road Opera went: sacrifice your core users for 
the sake of wider audience. But the wider audience does not care about the 
product and does not invest into it. Hope the devs reconsider this.


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RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Uwe Deutscher]

If you just don't update, nothing will change!


 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Barry Margolius 
Gesendet: 18. Februar 2020 18:27:59 MEZ
An: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com
Betreff: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

I never heard of FairEmail.  I'm going to look it up.  

I've not yet tried the beta version, but I do like the accounts page.  I want 
to be ready with a K9 alternative in case I don't like it.  Anybody have other 
ideas about email clients to try?

-Original Message-
From: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of cx05
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 1:34 AM
To: K-9 Mail 
Subject: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

Seems the devs plan to bring back unread numbers in the account dropdown:

https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/4515

Although a small step in the right direction, it is really no replacement for 
the account overview page.

I personally don't get why the account overview page would not fit in the new 
UI concept:
They could just add an optional entry to the drawer on the left that navigates 
to the overview and make the back key also show it. This would also be the 
entry that is first shown when k9 starts. The overview page would then be an 
alias for the drawer UI.
Not sure whether there are any difficulties considering the programming side, 
but UI wise this integration would work and give the best of both worlds.

It really seems that the devs don't care about their long term power users. 
It's their right, but it will lead to a client that is inferior to many 
existing mail clients (e.g. FairEmail).
K-9 currently cannot compete feature wise, but was more organized and resource 
efficient when using many accounts. That's the reason why I chose it. 
Remove that overview page and it's just a gmail clone with fewer features than 
the competition. Thats the same road Opera went: sacrifice your core users for 
the sake of wider audience. But the wider audience does not care about the 
product and does not invest into it. Hope the devs reconsider this.


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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Valerio Messina]

On 02/18/20 19:45, David W. Jones wrote:

picked K-9 because it let me move emails between folders


but it cannot move mails between folders of different IMAP account, a 
feature very normal with Thunderbird and a PC


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RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[David W. Jones]

On February 18, 2020 7:27:59 AM HST, Barry Margolius  
wrote:
>I never heard of FairEmail.  I'm going to look it up.  
>
>I've not yet tried the beta version, but I do like the accounts page. 
>I want to be ready with a K9 alternative in case I don't like it. 
>Anybody have other ideas about email clients to try?
>
>-Original Message-
>From: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>Of cx05
>Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 1:34 AM
>To: K-9 Mail 
>Subject: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?
>
>Seems the devs plan to bring back unread numbers in the account
>dropdown:
>
>https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/4515
>
>Although a small step in the right direction, it is really no
>replacement for the account overview page.
>
>I personally don't get why the account overview page would not fit in
>the new UI concept:
>They could just add an optional entry to the drawer on the left that
>navigates to the overview and make the back key also show it. This
>would also be the entry that is first shown when k9 starts. The
>overview page would then be an alias for the drawer UI.
>Not sure whether there are any difficulties considering the programming
>side, but UI wise this integration would work and give the best of both
>worlds.
>
>It really seems that the devs don't care about their long term power
>users. It's their right, but it will lead to a client that is inferior
>to many existing mail clients (e.g. FairEmail).
>K-9 currently cannot compete feature wise, but was more organized and
>resource efficient when using many accounts. That's the reason why I
>chose it. 
>Remove that overview page and it's just a gmail clone with fewer
>features than the competition. Thats the same road Opera went:
>sacrifice your core users for the sake of wider audience. But the wider
>audience does not care about the product and does not invest into it.
>Hope the devs reconsider this.
>
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Look in Fdroid, Internet category. I see a number of other email clients. I 
picked K-9 because it let me move emails between folders. I seem to remember 
that at least some of the others (including in Google Play Store) don't.

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RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Barry Margolius]

I never heard of FairEmail.  I'm going to look it up.  

I've not yet tried the beta version, but I do like the accounts page.  I want 
to be ready with a K9 alternative in case I don't like it.  Anybody have other 
ideas about email clients to try?

-Original Message-
From: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of cx05
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 1:34 AM
To: K-9 Mail 
Subject: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

Seems the devs plan to bring back unread numbers in the account dropdown:

https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/4515

Although a small step in the right direction, it is really no replacement for 
the account overview page.

I personally don't get why the account overview page would not fit in the new 
UI concept:
They could just add an optional entry to the drawer on the left that navigates 
to the overview and make the back key also show it. This would also be the 
entry that is first shown when k9 starts. The overview page would then be an 
alias for the drawer UI.
Not sure whether there are any difficulties considering the programming side, 
but UI wise this integration would work and give the best of both worlds.

It really seems that the devs don't care about their long term power users. 
It's their right, but it will lead to a client that is inferior to many 
existing mail clients (e.g. FairEmail).
K-9 currently cannot compete feature wise, but was more organized and resource 
efficient when using many accounts. That's the reason why I chose it. 
Remove that overview page and it's just a gmail clone with fewer features than 
the competition. Thats the same road Opera went: sacrifice your core users for 
the sake of wider audience. But the wider audience does not care about the 
product and does not invest into it. Hope the devs reconsider this.

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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[cx05]

Seems the devs plan to bring back unread numbers in the account dropdown:

https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/4515

Although a small step in the right direction, it is really no replacement for 
the account overview page.

I personally don't get why the account overview page would not fit in the new 
UI concept:
They could just add an optional entry to the drawer on the left that navigates 
to the overview and make the back key also show it. This would also be the 
entry that is first shown when k9 starts. The overview page would then be an 
alias for the drawer UI.
Not sure whether there are any difficulties considering the programming side, 
but UI wise this integration would work and give the best of both worlds.

It really seems that the devs don't care about their long term power users. 
It's their right, but it will lead to a client that is inferior to many 
existing mail clients (e.g. FairEmail).
K-9 currently cannot compete feature wise, but was more organized and resource 
efficient when using many accounts. That's the reason why I chose it. 
Remove that overview page and it's just a gmail clone with fewer features than 
the competition. Thats the same road Opera went: sacrifice your core users for 
the sake of wider audience. But the wider audience does not care about the 
product and does not invest into it. Hope the devs reconsider this.

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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Martin Neumann]

Same here, shortly after I installed 5.7 I realized the account overview
is gone. Basically it feels like I went back to the Gmail app. With over
15 accounts that overview is a must have and it was the reason that I
left Gmail behind in favor for K9.

So I switched quickly back to 5.6.

Looking at the code it appears 5.7 is a major update of K9. It appears
that it would be hard for the dev team to bring back the account
overview since the new layout style is based on the account pullout menu.

I consider to bring it back my self but I'm new to Android development.
So the learning curve is quite steep for me.

IMO the best improvement in 5.7 is the cleaned up settings menu. That is
rather cumbersome in 5.6.

Strategically the new UI direction seems to target broader user base,
providing a more familiar user interface to standard email users with
just a few accounts.

But this comes at the cost of leaving power users behind, which IMO is
currently a strong user base for K9.

Currently (5.6) K9 distinguishes itself from other clients through its
unique functionality and UI. When that is gone what will keep users with K9?

K9 != gmail  Yay   :-)

K9 == gmail  Buuh  ;-(

Well those are my thoughts on this
Martin


On 2/9/2020 11:24 AM, Stephen Prentice wrote:
> From the conversation I and others have had with one of the developers,
> they have no plans to bring the global account view back. Which is a
> shame because it is essential for those of us that have multiple
> accounts. In my view, K-9 was special because of this feature but now
> it's just as ordinary as Gmail.
> 
> On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 5:17:30 AM UTC-6, ocirne94 wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I have recently re-installed K-9 mail after resetting my phone (Oreo
> 8.1), I had a ~8 months old K-9 mail version before and now I have
> the 5.703.
> With the old version the app by default opened in the accounts list
> view, and I could know at a glance which accounts had new mail.
> Now the app by default opens the inbox of the first account and I
> cannot find at all a way to open the accounts list view.
> What am I doing wrong?
> Thanks!
> Enrico
> 
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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Anton Himbeer]

 

Same here, I‘ve been using K9 also for 10+ years now.


Yesterday I installed 5.7xx and really liked the optical update. But the 
removal of the accounts list is a complete showstopper for me (and family 
members). For my daily use this overview was one of the key features. 


So for now I downgraded back to 5.6, but unless the account list returns I 
regret that I will have to turn to another solution in the long run... 

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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Uwe Deutscher]

In the case the accounts list vanishes I will leave K-9 after having
used it for 12 years now!

Am 09.02.2020 um 23:09 schrieb David W. Jones:

On February 9, 2020 10:17:44 AM HST, Barry Margolius  
wrote:

+1

Me too.

From: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Bunk3m
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 2:57 PM
To: K-9 Mail 
Subject: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

This is unfortunate.  I have 5 email accounts.  It is important to have
an accounts list to manage the various accounts.  Without an accounts
list, K9 become a challenge to use.  I'll have to find another email
client.  Such a shame.  I've used K9 for near a decade.

On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 11:24:01 AM UTC-5, Stephen Prentice
wrote:


>From the conversation I and others have had with one of the developers,

they have no plans to bring the global account view back. Which is a
shame because it is essential for those of us that have multiple
accounts. In my view, K-9 was special because of this feature but now
it's just as ordinary as Gmail.

And here's another vote for keeping the accounts list.



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RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[David W. Jones]

On February 9, 2020 10:17:44 AM HST, Barry Margolius  
wrote:
>+1
>
>Me too.
>
>From: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>Of Bunk3m
>Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 2:57 PM
>To: K-9 Mail 
>Subject: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?
>
>This is unfortunate.  I have 5 email accounts.  It is important to have
>an accounts list to manage the various accounts.  Without an accounts
>list, K9 become a challenge to use.  I'll have to find another email
>client.  Such a shame.  I've used K9 for near a decade.
>
>On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 11:24:01 AM UTC-5, Stephen Prentice
>wrote:
>
>From the conversation I and others have had with one of the developers,
>they have no plans to bring the global account view back. Which is a
>shame because it is essential for those of us that have multiple
>accounts. In my view, K-9 was special because of this feature but now
>it's just as ordinary as Gmail.

And here's another vote for keeping the accounts list.

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RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Barry Margolius]

+1

 

Me too.

 

From: k-9-mail@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Bunk3m
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 2:57 PM
To: K-9 Mail 
Subject: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

 

This is unfortunate.  I have 5 email accounts.  It is important to have an 
accounts list to manage the various accounts.  Without an accounts list, K9 
become a challenge to use.  I'll have to find another email client.  Such a 
shame.  I've used K9 for near a decade.

On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 11:24:01 AM UTC-5, Stephen Prentice wrote:

>From the conversation I and others have had with one of the developers, they 
>have no plans to bring the global account view back. Which is a shame because 
>it is essential for those of us that have multiple accounts. In my view, K-9 
>was special because of this feature but now it's just as ordinary as Gmail.

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[k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Bunk3m]

This is unfortunate.  I have 5 email accounts.  It is important to have an 
accounts list to manage the various accounts.  Without an accounts list, K9 
become a challenge to use.  I'll have to find another email client.  Such a 
shame.  I've used K9 for near a decade.

On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 11:24:01 AM UTC-5, Stephen Prentice wrote:
>
> From the conversation I and others have had with one of the developers, 
> they have no plans to bring the global account view back. Which is a shame 
> because it is essential for those of us that have multiple accounts. In my 
> view, K-9 was special because of this feature but now it's just as ordinary 
> as Gmail.
>

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[k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[Stephen Prentice]

>From the conversation I and others have had with one of the developers, 
they have no plans to bring the global account view back. Which is a shame 
because it is essential for those of us that have multiple accounts. In my 
view, K-9 was special because of this feature but now it's just as ordinary 
as Gmail.

On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 5:17:30 AM UTC-6, ocirne94 wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I have recently re-installed K-9 mail after resetting my phone (Oreo 8.1), 
> I had a ~8 months old K-9 mail version before and now I have the 5.703.
> With the old version the app by default opened in the accounts list view, 
> and I could know at a glance which accounts had new mail.
> Now the app by default opens the inbox of the first account and I cannot 
> find at all a way to open the accounts list view.
> What am I doing wrong?
> Thanks!
> Enrico
>

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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[David W. Jones]

On February 3, 2020 11:36:59 AM HST, ocirne94  wrote:
>bump, nobody has this issue?
>
>
>Il giorno venerdì 10 gennaio 2020 12:17:30 UTC+1, ocirne94 ha scritto:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I have recently re-installed K-9 mail after resetting my phone (Oreo
>8.1), 
>> I had a ~8 months old K-9 mail version before and now I have the
>5.703.
>> With the old version the app by default opened in the accounts list
>view, 
>> and I could know at a glance which accounts had new mail.
>> Now the app by default opens the inbox of the first account and I
>cannot 
>> find at all a way to open the accounts list view.
>> What am I doing wrong?
>> Thanks!
>> Enrico
>>
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I understand others have the same issue.

I also understand that the 5.703 beta version removes the accounts list view. I 
don't know why they want to do that since it's useful. Pointless change for the 
sake of change?

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[k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

[ocirne94]

bump, nobody has this issue?


Il giorno venerdì 10 gennaio 2020 12:17:30 UTC+1, ocirne94 ha scritto:
>
> Hi all,
> I have recently re-installed K-9 mail after resetting my phone (Oreo 8.1), 
> I had a ~8 months old K-9 mail version before and now I have the 5.703.
> With the old version the app by default opened in the accounts list view, 
> and I could know at a glance which accounts had new mail.
> Now the app by default opens the inbox of the first account and I cannot 
> find at all a way to open the accounts list view.
> What am I doing wrong?
> Thanks!
> Enrico
>

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