Re: do you need www.kde.org write access?

[Ben Cooksley]

On 8/03/2018 10:47 PM, "Jaroslaw Staniek"  wrote:



On 8 March 2018 at 09:51, Clemens Toennies 
wrote:

> On 08.03.2018 08:44, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, 8 March 2018 07:57:27 CET Ben Cooksley wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:42 AM, Boudewijn Rempt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:31:21 CET Sebastian Kügler wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We have been working on a modernized website and backend for
> www.kde.org.
> The new site will do away with the old PHP custom CMS and will run
> wordpress instead.
>
 Does that mean we'll lose our history, just like koffice.org history
 from
 the php times is only in subversion anymore and the wordpress (or
 whatever it was) content is completely gone?

>>> The current content of www.kde.org will still remain in Subversion at
>>> the very least.
>>>  From my understanding the plan Sebas has mentioned envisages a
>>> temporary www-legacy.kde.org hostname being kept around until a full
>>> migration is completed.
>>>
>> So we _will_ lose proper access to KDE's release history. That's not good.
>> Pages like  https://www.kde.org/announcements/ and everything it links to
>> should be kept up in eternity.
>>
>
> As far as i can see they will be all available, as they will be imported:
> https://www-backstage.kde.org/announcements/
>

That's very good the content is there. ​Question I would have to the www
community, are we going to keep exact the same URLs?​
This it kind of important key since we link heavily, typically between blog
entry and announcement for example.
I've found our blog content, including blogs.kde.org or forums having dead
links to kde.org.

Technically, maybe URL rewriting would help for URLs that were in
standardized form.

Example of koffice.org as topic harder to handle but possible: currently it
100% redirects to calligra.org but it could redirect from koffice.org/X to
calligra.org/X maybe or calligra.org/koffice/X. Or rewrite the URL so
koffice.org/X would not redirect at all (it depends how we want to have it
presented).

Example link: to http://www.koffice.org/news/koffice-2-1-released/ from the
DOT: https://dot.kde.org/2009/11/24/koffice-21-released.
Missing. So relevant announcements for the history of computing, where we
have a place: software for Nokia n900... it's missing so also Wikipedia
references would be dead. The Wiki must to dig in archive.org now (see "KOffice
1.6 Released" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KOffice).

Sibling topic is: dead URLs to relatively new software such as
https://download.kde.org/stable/koffice-2.3.3 (link from
https://marc.info/?l=koffice-devel=129901230231557). If we have no
resources to share the old files (and mirrors refuse that), maybe we could
at least have a landing page that lists possible options how to find the
archived tarballs?


In relation to tarballs, you will find most of these in the Attic/
directory of download.kde.org

After a while we move things there as we have an agreement with the mirrors
that only carry stable that it will be kept to a certain maximum size.



Even more trouble is missing old image resources but this is lesson to
learn, we still have no ultimate solution IMHO, hash filesbased URLs get
created in share.kde.org and this seems to be fragile approach. I'd think
about at the topic as a matter of Freedom in content area. If we're not
solid here, what can we tell to next generation of contributors that say
"Facebook and YouTube just work".

Then we lost image content on blogs, even image tags seem to be somethow
lost: example https://blogs.kde.org/2004/02/24/one-little-feature, archived
at https://web.archive.org/web/20040531171636/http://www.
kdedevelopers.org:80/node/view/359
No images, no context... :(


Older posts like this can unfortunately be broken with platform migrations
I'm afraid. That particular post has been through two major Drupal upgrades
at least, along with a change in the domain.

While we do our best it is unavoidable that some loss will occur with any
change.



​I see the task is not light but preserving KDE history is worth investment
maybe even financial. Blogs are to me part of KDE's identity.
Good part of it is done nicely in the form of preserving the KDE 1.0 / 2.0
desktops.

-- 
regards, Jaroslaw Staniek


Regards,
Ben


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Re: What could be helpful to get contributor training on?

[Lydia Pintscher]

Hey Boud,

Sorry for the confusion. Some replies inline.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:19 PM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
> On Thursday, 8 March 2018 21:40:00 CET Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
>> Dear KDE community,
>> With the $200k donation from the Pineapple Fund [1],
>
> The footnote is missing from your mail.

https://dot.kde.org/2018/02/19/kde-receives-20-usd-donation-pineapple-fund

>> we have some money
>> available which we can invest in KDE’s future. We are currently thinking
>> about what to best invest in, and one of the ideas was to pay for
>> professional training in some skills for contributors.
>
> Guess I missed that in the discussion on the KDE e.V. mailing list? Was this
> discussed somewhere else? In fact, I don't remember having seen "professional
> training in some skills" being discussed at all...

It was one of the things I mentioned in my email asking for
suggestions and it has been brought up in some of the chats I've had
with people who approached me with ideas and wishes.
We are currently in the process of getting a better understanding of
some of the suggestions including figuring out how much they would
cost and how much demand and need there is for it.

>> For that, we’d like
>> to know which skills would be most useful for us to have in order to take
>> KDE further?
>
> And who are these "we"?

The board.

>> This can be soft or hard skills, but it would probably make sense to train
>> things which we don’t already learn naturally from our collaboration
>> anyway.
>>
>> So, what do you think?
>
> That I'm once again feeling totally out of touch, because your mail doesn't
> seem at all to reflect anything that I've seen up to now.

Sorry for the confusion. As I said above it is only one part of the
research into the ideas that are on the table so far.


Cheers
Lydia

-- 
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KDE e.V. Board of Directors
http://kde.org - http://open-advice.org

Re: What could be helpful to get contributor training on?

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Thursday, 8 March 2018 21:40:00 CET Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> Dear KDE community,
> With the $200k donation from the Pineapple Fund [1], 

The footnote is missing from your mail.

> we have some money
> available which we can invest in KDE’s future. We are currently thinking
> about what to best invest in, and one of the ideas was to pay for
> professional training in some skills for contributors. 

Guess I missed that in the discussion on the KDE e.V. mailing list? Was this 
discussed somewhere else? In fact, I don't remember having seen "professional 
training in some skills" being discussed at all... 

> For that, we’d like
> to know which skills would be most useful for us to have in order to take
> KDE further?

And who are these "we"?

> This can be soft or hard skills, but it would probably make sense to train
> things which we don’t already learn naturally from our collaboration
> anyway.
> 
> So, what do you think?

That I'm once again feeling totally out of touch, because your mail doesn't 
seem at all to reflect anything that I've seen up to now.


> Thank you in advance for your input,
> Thomas


-- 
Boudewijn Rempt | https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org

What could be helpful to get contributor training on?

[Thomas Pfeiffer]

Dear KDE community,
With the $200k donation from the Pineapple Fund [1], we have some money 
available which we can invest in KDE’s future.
We are currently thinking about what to best invest in, and one of the ideas 
was to pay for professional training in some skills for contributors.
For that, we’d like to know which skills would be most useful for us to have in 
order to take KDE further?

This can be soft or hard skills, but it would probably make sense to train 
things which we don’t already learn naturally from our collaboration anyway.

So, what do you think?

Thank you in advance for your input,
Thomas

Re: do you need www.kde.org write access?

[Jaroslaw Staniek]

On 8 March 2018 at 09:51, Clemens Toennies 
wrote:

> On 08.03.2018 08:44, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, 8 March 2018 07:57:27 CET Ben Cooksley wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:42 AM, Boudewijn Rempt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:31:21 CET Sebastian Kügler wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We have been working on a modernized website and backend for
> www.kde.org.
> The new site will do away with the old PHP custom CMS and will run
> wordpress instead.
>
 Does that mean we'll lose our history, just like koffice.org history
 from
 the php times is only in subversion anymore and the wordpress (or
 whatever it was) content is completely gone?

>>> The current content of www.kde.org will still remain in Subversion at
>>> the very least.
>>>  From my understanding the plan Sebas has mentioned envisages a
>>> temporary www-legacy.kde.org hostname being kept around until a full
>>> migration is completed.
>>>
>> So we _will_ lose proper access to KDE's release history. That's not good.
>> Pages like  https://www.kde.org/announcements/ and everything it links to
>> should be kept up in eternity.
>>
>
> As far as i can see they will be all available, as they will be imported:
> https://www-backstage.kde.org/announcements/
>

That's very good the content is there. ​Question I would have to the www
community, are we going to keep exact the same URLs?​
This it kind of important key since we link heavily, typically between blog
entry and announcement for example.
I've found our blog content, including blogs.kde.org or forums having dead
links to kde.org.

Technically, maybe URL rewriting would help for URLs that were in
standardized form.

Example of koffice.org as topic harder to handle but possible: currently it
100% redirects to calligra.org but it could redirect from koffice.org/X to
calligra.org/X maybe or calligra.org/koffice/X. Or rewrite the URL so
koffice.org/X would not redirect at all (it depends how we want to have it
presented).

Example link: to http://www.koffice.org/news/koffice-2-1-released/ from the
DOT: https://dot.kde.org/2009/11/24/koffice-21-released.
Missing. So relevant announcements for the history of computing, where we
have a place: software for Nokia n900... it's missing so also Wikipedia
references would be dead. The Wiki must to dig in archive.org now (see "KOffice
1.6 Released" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KOffice).

Sibling topic is: dead URLs to relatively new software such as
https://download.kde.org/stable/koffice-2.3.3 (link from
https://marc.info/?l=koffice-devel=129901230231557). If we have no
resources to share the old files (and mirrors refuse that), maybe we could
at least have a landing page that lists possible options how to find the
archived tarballs?

Even more trouble is missing old image resources but this is lesson to
learn, we still have no ultimate solution IMHO, hash filesbased URLs get
created in share.kde.org and this seems to be fragile approach. I'd think
about at the topic as a matter of Freedom in content area. If we're not
solid here, what can we tell to next generation of contributors that say
"Facebook and YouTube just work".

Then we lost image content on blogs, even image tags seem to be somethow
lost: example https://blogs.kde.org/2004/02/24/one-little-feature, archived
at
https://web.archive.org/web/20040531171636/http://www.kdedevelopers.org:80/node/view/359
No images, no context... :(

​I see the task is not light but preserving KDE history is worth investment
maybe even financial. Blogs are to me part of KDE's identity.
Good part of it is done nicely in the form of preserving the KDE 1.0 / 2.0
desktops.

-- 
regards, Jaroslaw Staniek

KDE:
: A world-wide network of software engineers, artists, writers, translators
: and facilitators committed to Free Software development - http://kde.org
KEXI:
: A visual database apps builder - http://calligra.org/kexi
  http://twitter.com/kexi_project https://facebook.com/kexi.project
Qt Certified Specialist:
: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek

Re: Opportunity: Promo banners for Kdenlive and Krita

[Paul Brown]

On jueves, 8 de marzo de 2018 10:09:42 (CET) Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
> On Thursday, 8 March 2018 10:05:34 CET Paul Brown wrote:
> > > There are talks and workshops, in my experience no booths. No space
> > > where
> > > you'd put up a promo banner, at least, I've never seen those: but I'd
> > > still want one for Krita!
> > 
> > Absolutely. It is re-usable, so it makes total sense. It would've been
> > good
> > for FOSDEM, where they had the artist doing the Krita demo. Next year,
> > then.
> So, should I contact the artist?

To get the design? Yeah, absolutely. Ping him. He is doing these for free, 
yes?

> Or will someone else do that, or will they
> contact me?

To actually order the banner, we should probably take this discussion to promo 
and check budgets and so on. When do you foresee needing this?

> > > LGM is extremely small, actually, and has been shrinking for some time.
> > > It's not a place where people come to see you present your software
> > > project (although that does happen, it's not encouraged), rather,
> > > everyone is supposed to already know about most relevant projects, and
> > > there's one introductory presentation called the "State of The Libre
> > > Graphics Union" for which every project can submit some slides, usually
> > > presented by a gimp/gegl developer.
> > 
> > Okay.
> > 
> > I have just told a faculty member at the School of Fine Arts of Málaga
> > about the event, and he is going to see if they can organise a trip to
> > Sevilla. They have also agreed to get in touch with other Fine Art
> > schools from around Andalucía. If they get their act together, I will
> > contact the organisation and see if, at least for one year, we can
> > reverse that trend.

I mean, of course, a trip for the students and professors.

> Oh, that's an excellent idea!

I hope it works.

Paul
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Re: Opportunity: Promo banners for Kdenlive and Krita

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Thursday, 8 March 2018 10:05:34 CET Paul Brown wrote:

> > There are talks and workshops, in my experience no booths. No space where
> > you'd put up a promo banner, at least, I've never seen those: but I'd
> > still want one for Krita!
> 
> Absolutely. It is re-usable, so it makes total sense. It would've been good
> for FOSDEM, where they had the artist doing the Krita demo. Next year, then.

So, should I contact the artist? Or will someone else do that, or will they 
contact me?
> > LGM is extremely small, actually, and has been shrinking for some time.
> > It's not a place where people come to see you present your software
> > project (although that does happen, it's not encouraged), rather,
> > everyone is supposed to already know about most relevant projects, and
> > there's one introductory presentation called the "State of The Libre
> > Graphics Union" for which every project can submit some slides, usually
> > presented by a gimp/gegl developer.
> 
> Okay.
> 
> I have just told a faculty member at the School of Fine Arts of Málaga about
> the event, and he is going to see if they can organise a trip to Sevilla.
> They have also agreed to get in touch with other Fine Art schools from
> around Andalucía. If they get their act together, I will contact the
> organisation and see if, at least for one year, we can reverse that trend.

Oh, that's an excellent idea!



-- 
Boudewijn Rempt | https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org

Re: Opportunity: Promo banners for Kdenlive and Krita

[Paul Brown]

On miércoles, 7 de marzo de 2018 21:16:35 (CET) Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:38:25 CET Paul Brown wrote:
> > On miércoles, 7 de marzo de 2018 20:08:12 (CET) Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
> > > I'm not him, but I will be going there. The LGM isn't much of an event
> > > for
> > > project banners though, at least the last few times I visited. It's
> > > small-
> > > scale. The focus last times was very much on people doing alternative
> > > high-brow art stuff with free software,
> > 
> > But that is fine, no? A sign of maturity. I understand there should be a
> > place where developers should go and compare notes and learn from each
> > other, but an event where you showcase the capabilities of the software
> > and
> > can draw in and end user community must be good.
> 
> Ahm... No, that's not what happens, mostly. At least, not last time I
> attended.  You won't find many people who actually produce some art that
> other people would recognize. It's all fun and quite interesting, but it's
> not like people show off what you can do with gimp or krita or inkscape or
> blender -- it's where people show the results of their art academy final
> project or experiments. Check out http://conversations.tools/
> 
> I missed quite a few editions, though. It was in places that were too far
> (Rio de Janeiro), or I was too much pre-occupied with keeping going. The
> program for 2018 isn't done yet, and speakers haven't yet had confirmation
> of acceptance.
> 
> But it usually is fun, mostly friendly and in any case, it'll be my vacation
> this year.
> 
> > What is this event like? Talks? Demos? Booths?
> 
> There are talks and workshops, in my experience no booths. No space where
> you'd put up a promo banner, at least, I've never seen those: but I'd still
> want one for Krita!

Absolutely. It is re-usable, so it makes total sense. It would've been good 
for FOSDEM, where they had the artist doing the Krita demo. Next year, then.

> LGM is extremely small, actually, and has been shrinking for some time. It's
> not a place where people come to see you present your software project
> (although that does happen, it's not encouraged), rather, everyone is
> supposed to already know about most relevant projects, and there's one
> introductory presentation called the "State of The Libre Graphics Union"
> for which every project can submit some slides, usually presented by a
> gimp/gegl developer.

Okay.

I have just told a faculty member at the School of Fine Arts of Málaga about 
the event, and he is going to see if they can organise a trip to Sevilla. They 
have also agreed to get in touch with other Fine Art schools from around 
Andalucía. If they get their act together, I will contact the organisation and 
see if, at least for one year, we can reverse that trend.

> Not that we actually know which event Baptiste was talking about!

True. Interesting conversation nonetheless.

Cheers

Paul
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Re: do you need www.kde.org write access?

[Clemens Toennies]

On 08.03.2018 08:44, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:

On Thursday, 8 March 2018 07:57:27 CET Ben Cooksley wrote:

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:42 AM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:

On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:31:21 CET Sebastian Kügler wrote:

Hi all,

We have been working on a modernized website and backend for www.kde.org.
The new site will do away with the old PHP custom CMS and will run
wordpress instead.

Does that mean we'll lose our history, just like koffice.org history from
the php times is only in subversion anymore and the wordpress (or
whatever it was) content is completely gone?

The current content of www.kde.org will still remain in Subversion at
the very least.
 From my understanding the plan Sebas has mentioned envisages a
temporary www-legacy.kde.org hostname being kept around until a full
migration is completed.

So we _will_ lose proper access to KDE's release history. That's not good.
Pages like  https://www.kde.org/announcements/ and everything it links to
should be kept up in eternity.


As far as i can see they will be all available, as they will be imported:
https://www-backstage.kde.org/announcements/

Re: do you need www.kde.org write access?

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Thursday, 8 March 2018 08:42:47 CET Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
 
> Yes -- I was refering to what has happened in the past to koffice.org. I'm
> trying to write a history of Krita right now, and I wanted to link to the
> release announcements. Linking to a php source file in subversion isn't a
> very good solution for that, and, of course, everything that was in
> koffice.org's cms was deleted and is gone for good. Fortunately, I could
> find dot.kde.org stories about most old releases, but the actual release
> history of koffice has gone.

Heck, I just noticed that even the svn version of the old koffice.org website 
had gone. Fortunately I've kept a backup, which is now temporarily at https://
github.com/boudewijnrempt/koffice-web/tree/master/announcements

-- 
Boudewijn Rempt | https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org

Re: Opportunity: Promo banners for Kdenlive and Krita

[Jean-Baptiste Mardelle]

On 07.03.2018 20:02, Paul Brown wrote:

On miércoles, 7 de marzo de 2018 18:56:55 (CET) Jean-Baptiste Mardelle wrote:

On 05.03.2018 00:22, Ivana Isadora Devcic wrote:

Hi everybody,

hope you're having a great day! :)

Ryan from Inkscape shared this on Twitter - he made some seriously
cool banners for GIMP and Inkscape, and offered to make them for
Kdenlive and Krita, among others:

https://twitter.com/ryangorley/status/969712740817235968

I jumped in and said I would help him get in touch with the right
people, so this is my attempt at doing that. :)

I wanted to check here if there is any interest in having those
banners designed, as well as find out who to recommend as the main
contact(s).

Excellent! We would also be very happy with such a banner, and have a
great event in preparation for the end of april so it would be perfect
if the delays are not too short!

This event?: https://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2018/

What are your plans for that, Jean Baptiste?


No, we won't be at Libre Graphics. We are organising a small Kdenlive 
sprint in Paris. We just had a first positive contact for a great 
location yesterday and are in the process of finalizing it.


This will mostly be a sprint to work on the code but also to plan the 
future evolutions of Kdenlive and several of the long term people 
involved in Kdenlive will be there, including a professional video 
editor, a teacher in video editing, and people involved in Kdenlive's 
public communication.


We also plan to make a video of the event and a public presentation in 
the place that hosts us.

I will announce more details as soon as details are confirmed.

Regards
jb



Paul

Re: do you need www.kde.org write access?

[Sebastian Kügler]

On Thu, 08 Mar 2018 08:42:47 +0100
Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:

> On Thursday, 8 March 2018 07:58:46 CET Ben Cooksley wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:31 AM, Jaroslaw Staniek 
> > wrote:  
> > > On 7 March 2018 at 12:42, Boudewijn Rempt 
> > > wrote:  
> > >> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:31:21 CET Sebastian Kügler wrote:  
> > >> > Hi all,
> > >> > 
> > >> > We have been working on a modernized website and backend for
> > >> > www.kde.org.
> > >> > The new site will do away with the old PHP custom CMS and will
> > >> > run wordpress instead.  
> > >> 
> > >> Does that mean we'll lose our history, just like koffice.org
> > >> history from the
> > >> php times is only in subversion anymore and the
> > >> wordpress (or whatever it was)
> > >> content is completely gone?  
> > > 
> > > But kde.org goes for
> > > wordpress , right?
> > > Sebastian, calligra.org uses wordpress so it stays unaffected,
> > > right?  
> > 
> > The only website affected by this is www.kde.org.
> > 
> > No other site is impacted by this (and calligra.org is already on
> > Wordpress anyway)  
> 
> Yes -- I was refering to what has happened in the past to
> koffice.org. I'm trying to write a history of Krita right now, and I
> wanted to link to the release announcements. Linking to a php source
> file in subversion isn't a very good solution for that, and, of
> course, everything that was in koffice.org's cms was deleted and is
> gone for good. Fortunately, I could find dot.kde.org stories about
> most old releases, but the actual release history of koffice has gone.

That's part of what we need to review: is the new site missing relevant
things which need to be migrated? It's something we can surely fix.
-- 
sebas

http://vizZzion.org   ⦿http://www.kde.org