Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
On Tuesday, 15 June 2021 16:02:47 CEST Christoph Cullmann wrote: > > I think we should be a bit patient and honor the work sysadmins and > others put into this. I really, really, really want my bots back, though... -- https://www.krita.org
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
On 2021-06-15 15:59, Kenny Duffus wrote: On Tuesday, 15 June 2021 14:50:51 BST Andrius Štikonas wrote: Given the imposion today, can we not just close old matrix rooms with m.room.tombstone and point them to new rooms linked to Libera? In the short term that might be a bit disruptive because matrix users will have to switch to new rooms. But it we keep waiting too long we might end up in a bigger mess. And at least IRC users showed that they are capable of switching servers, so maybe we shouldn't assume that matrix users are less capable. On matrix we have a large number of users and the issues of aliases which complicates stuff, so that is why we are choosing to migrate them. Just be patient a bit longer On IRC nothing can be done to migrate users which is why they are unfortunately left to move themselves Hi, I think we should be a bit patient and honor the work sysadmins and others put into this. Greetings & thanks for all that work on this pressing issue! Christoph -- Ignorance is bliss... https://cullmann.io | https://kate-editor.org
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
On Tuesday, 15 June 2021 14:50:51 BST Andrius Štikonas wrote: > Given the imposion today, can we not just close old matrix rooms with > m.room.tombstone and point them to new rooms linked to Libera? > In the short term that might be a bit disruptive because matrix users will > have to switch to new rooms. But it we > keep waiting too long we might end up in a bigger mess. And at least IRC > users showed that they are capable of > switching servers, so maybe we shouldn't assume that matrix users are less > capable. > On matrix we have a large number of users and the issues of aliases which complicates stuff, so that is why we are choosing to migrate them. Just be patient a bit longer On IRC nothing can be done to migrate users which is why they are unfortunately left to move themselves -- Kenny (Pronouns: he/him)
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
2021 m. birželio 15 d., antradienis 14:25:11 BST Kenny Duffus rašė: > Hi > > We had been trying to have a nice orderly migration from freenode but that > wasn't to be despite all our work as freenode imploded earlier today > > The main problem for our migration was that the majority of our matrix > bridged rooms are "portals" which aren't really meant to ever move > > Element Matrix Services support are working with us to convert the portal > rooms to plumbed rooms which we can then migrate > > Existing plumbed rooms can skip this stage and be unlinked from freenode and > using the integration manager add an irc bridge to libera to them instead > > If you are in a kde matrix room that i'm not please invite me there so that i > definitely know of its existance, I'm @kenny:kde.org > > For people using IRC directly life should be simpler, you can just disconect > from freenode if you haven't and then join the corresponding rooms on Libera > https://libera.chat/guides/connect > > The vast majority of IRC rooms have been created and registered, if you find > any that aren't please let me know (seaLne) > > Thanks > > Hi, Given the imposion today, can we not just close old matrix rooms with m.room.tombstone and point them to new rooms linked to Libera? In the short term that might be a bit disruptive because matrix users will have to switch to new rooms. But it we keep waiting too long we might end up in a bigger mess. And at least IRC users showed that they are capable of switching servers, so maybe we shouldn't assume that matrix users are less capable. Personally, KDE rooms are the only ones I still have to use on Freenode. Andrius signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
Hi We had been trying to have a nice orderly migration from freenode but that wasn't to be despite all our work as freenode imploded earlier today The main problem for our migration was that the majority of our matrix bridged rooms are "portals" which aren't really meant to ever move Element Matrix Services support are working with us to convert the portal rooms to plumbed rooms which we can then migrate Existing plumbed rooms can skip this stage and be unlinked from freenode and using the integration manager add an irc bridge to libera to them instead If you are in a kde matrix room that i'm not please invite me there so that i definitely know of its existance, I'm @kenny:kde.org For people using IRC directly life should be simpler, you can just disconect from freenode if you haven't and then join the corresponding rooms on Libera https://libera.chat/guides/connect The vast majority of IRC rooms have been created and registered, if you find any that aren't please let me know (seaLne) Thanks -- Kenny (Pronouns: he/him)
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
At the moment the "old" network appears to be broken into about 4 pieces. chat.freenode.net and irc.freenode.net point to the "new" network. The "new" network servers have a very low limit for connections per IP address (I don't know the number), and only 20 channels per user. I don't recommend connecting to the "new" network from a shared service such as bnc.kde.org. classic.freenode.net points to the most functional piece of the "old" network. If you wish to remain connected to the "old" network, replacing chat or irc.freenode.net with classic.freenode.net may work for the time being. I don't know for how long, nor how reliable. ~Eli On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 10:43 PM Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > > Freenode has now set up new servers without migrating the > nickserv/chanserv databases, and will likely turn off the old servers > later. You could say freenode has shut down and there is now a new > network under its name. We don't have any registered channels in the > "new network", or even channel topics set. > > Are we going to move to libera.chat already? > > It has been more than three weeks since Andrew Lee took over. I'm > *done* waiting for Matrix to reconfigure the bridge. Leaving it > unbridged entirely is preferred to the current situation. You can't > say that would split the chat community because it's already split > anyway (there's more users in libera.chat KDE channels every day, as > of yesterday irccloud users couldn't use freenode anymore, #kde hasn't > been properly bridged for a long time, etc). > > Just tell me when and I'll switch IrcsomeBot/sKreamer/pursuivant bots > to libera.chat, and update documentation (I already prepared commits > for 30+ repos for this). I can also bring IrcsomeBot into Matrix rooms > temporarily until the proper Matrix appservice is set up. But I will > not accept any more delays caused by Matrix/EMS. Let's get out of > freenode. > > -- > Nicolás
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
On Tuesday, 15 June 2021 04:43:25 CEST Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > Freenode has now set up new servers without migrating the > nickserv/chanserv databases, and will likely turn off the old servers > later. You could say freenode has shut down and there is now a new > network under its name. We don't have any registered channels in the > "new network", or even channel topics set. > > Are we going to move to libera.chat already? We have no other choice, I think. Besides, for the Krita community, all relevant discussion is already happening on libera. > > It has been more than three weeks since Andrew Lee took over. I'm > *done* waiting for Matrix to reconfigure the bridge. Leaving it > unbridged entirely is preferred to the current situation. You can't > say that would split the chat community because it's already split > anyway (there's more users in libera.chat KDE channels every day, as > of yesterday irccloud users couldn't use freenode anymore, #kde hasn't > been properly bridged for a long time, etc). > > Just tell me when and I'll switch IrcsomeBot/sKreamer/pursuivant bots > to libera.chat, and update documentation (I already prepared commits > for 30+ repos for this). I can also bring IrcsomeBot into Matrix rooms > temporarily until the proper Matrix appservice is set up. But I will > not accept any more delays caused by Matrix/EMS. Let's get out of > freenode. > Please do! The only reason I'm still on freenode is for skreamer and pursuivant on #krita... -- https://www.krita.org
