Re: [kde-community] A change of heart
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:43 AM, David Wright david.wright12...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, this platform offers a number of benefits over the current one(s), and introduces some basic marketing tools that I feel are badly needed. Really though, the reason I am suggesting this is because as it stands the KDE 'community' is really a developer community, not a user one. That really needs to change if KDE wants to have more donations, for the obvious reasons. In fact, I was going to write a long piece about moving to a social network would attract young users etc, but this really is the key point. KDE presents a very corporate and stale image that is not inviting for users to participate in, or engage with. You are not going to get mass donations because there is nothing for a user to get emotionally involved with. In regards to the forum, we already have one at forum.kde.org and it is quite active. I have examined the forum solution they suggest using - bbPress - and it is much less featureful than our current forum software, phpBB. In addition it does not support nested forums, which we are quite dependent on to organise content (we have 51,203 topics with 244,596 posts at the time of writing this email). It is also questionable whether our Sphinx powered RSS feeds could be adapted to work under BuddyPress. Further, there are likely social problems with being a hoster for everyone's blogs (which is why it is planetkde.org not planet.kde.org) Kind regards, David Wright Thanks, Ben On Monday 25 Aug 2014 14:32:33 Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: +1 for Reply-By-Email! Forum.kde.org's anonymous notification can depress users that are AFK... On 25 August 2014 13:53, David Wright david.wright12...@gmail.com wrote: I did send this originally to the kde-www address but I thought I'd send it here as well for a bit of fun. Kind regards, David -- Forwarded message -- From: david.wright12...@gmail.com Date: 17 Aug 2014 00:24 Subject: A change of heart To: kde-www kde-...@kde.org Cc: Hi guys, I've been doing a bit of research lately on CMS's and stumbled across http://commonsinabox.org/ which is basically a bundled buddypress plugin which powers http://commons.gc.cuny.edu/ amogest other. Given the social nature of this setup, and the fact it is built upon wordpress (it is basically a set of wordpress plugins that have been tested together), I felt that this might be something that KDE might like to take under consideration? A standard install would include forums, groups, collaborative docs, social @ mentions, user profiles etc, etc. Also, using the multi user aspect of wordpress it would still allow certain projects to keep their identity, but remain under the networks umbrella, as evidenced by: http://helpwanted.commons.gc.cuny.edu/ Naturally, being exposed then to the wordpress plugin ecosphere would allow then a better integrated events management, job board, even a store if desired. Ultimately though, the goal is to increase funding. The KDE websphere is too spread out, and this would help reign it in so we can really do focused funding campaigns on users. That would be the advantage of the groups, as we could tailor funding drives to particular interests and hopefully have better success. Administration might also be made easier as we could get rid of a fair few subdomains by moving to this kind of platform. Anyway, it's late, and I'm jabbering. Let me know what you think! :-) ps There is also a buddypress app that could be rebranded: https://github.com/yuttadhammo/buddydroid Mozilla were also working on bugzilla intergration a while back: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643570 ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community -- regards / pozdrawiam, Jaroslaw Staniek Kexi Calligra KDE | http://calligra.org/kexi | http://kde.org Qt for Tizen | http://qt-project.org/wiki/Tizen Qt Certified Specialist | http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] A change of heart
On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 22.07:23 Ben Cooksley wrote: I have examined the forum solution they suggest using - bbPress - and it is much less featureful than our current forum software, phpBB. In addition it does not support nested forums, which we are quite dependent on to organise content (we have 51,203 topics with 244,596 posts at the time of writing this email). It is also questionable I've actually used CommonsInABox and while quite nice in some ways, its performance is pretty dismal, some of the feature sets (e.g. the wikis, if one can call them that) are very weak and protecting against spam accounts is next to impossible ... -- Aaron J. Seigo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] A change of heart
Yes, I'll be the first to admit that the software is not perfect. Regarding performance, I believe that's something they're actively working on improving, and the last update in April this year did a lot to address those issues (blog post here about it http://bpdevel.wordpress.com/2014/04/02/one-of-the-primary-focuses/). The wiki that's built-in with the commons is rubbish, no doubt about it. It's part of the more useful group documents feature. Interestingly I believe the CUNY website itself has MediaWiki embedded in it ( http://commons.gc.cuny.edu/wiki/index.php/Welcome_to_the_Academic_Commons_Wiki) which they do using this: http://dev.commons.gc.cuny.edu/2009/05/21/new-mediawiki-extension-wpmusinglesignon/ from what I can see. But more investigation would be needed. Spam is something I can't comment on really, but I'm sure there are options for that. Really the point is though, from a community standpoint, what direction is KDE headed at the moment? Where is it going to be in five years time? I'm sure KDE could continue with the current setup and happily tick along, tweaking things here and there, but is that progress? There is a goal with this, an aim, and that's to try and increase community participation, attract new and younger users (the developers of the future hopefully!), and more importantly to give people a reason to keep coming back! If we can do that then hopefully we can increase the donation amount, and generally encourage more people to contribute to KDE. Saying all that, it could be a huge, hated flop. ;-) On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Aaron J. Seigo ase...@kde.org wrote: On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 22.07:23 Ben Cooksley wrote: I have examined the forum solution they suggest using - bbPress - and it is much less featureful than our current forum software, phpBB. In addition it does not support nested forums, which we are quite dependent on to organise content (we have 51,203 topics with 244,596 posts at the time of writing this email). It is also questionable I've actually used CommonsInABox and while quite nice in some ways, its performance is pretty dismal, some of the feature sets (e.g. the wikis, if one can call them that) are very weak and protecting against spam accounts is next to impossible ... -- Aaron J. Seigo ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] A change of heart
Hi Ben, Sorry, I very rudely replied to Aaron before you. bbpress as far as I can remember has sub-forums, if that's what you are referring to? The compatibility must be OK as it is possible to import from phpBB ( http://codex.bbpress.org/import-forums/). We could test it out if you wanted? Regarding the multi-site aspect, I hadn't really considered the inclusion of developer blogs. I was more thinking of having a separate blog for each KDE project, and have all the relevant links and info for that project on there. Each project could have it's own theme and identity whilst still being under the networks umbrella. I think google would like that. There would be nothing stopping us have a dedicated RSS aggregation blog if needed, and use one of the many WP plugins there are around for this. This all needs to be tested really. On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Ben Cooksley bcooks...@kde.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:43 AM, David Wright david.wright12...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, this platform offers a number of benefits over the current one(s), and introduces some basic marketing tools that I feel are badly needed. Really though, the reason I am suggesting this is because as it stands the KDE 'community' is really a developer community, not a user one. That really needs to change if KDE wants to have more donations, for the obvious reasons. In fact, I was going to write a long piece about moving to a social network would attract young users etc, but this really is the key point. KDE presents a very corporate and stale image that is not inviting for users to participate in, or engage with. You are not going to get mass donations because there is nothing for a user to get emotionally involved with. In regards to the forum, we already have one at forum.kde.org and it is quite active. I have examined the forum solution they suggest using - bbPress - and it is much less featureful than our current forum software, phpBB. In addition it does not support nested forums, which we are quite dependent on to organise content (we have 51,203 topics with 244,596 posts at the time of writing this email). It is also questionable whether our Sphinx powered RSS feeds could be adapted to work under BuddyPress. Further, there are likely social problems with being a hoster for everyone's blogs (which is why it is planetkde.org not planet.kde.org) Kind regards, David Wright Thanks, Ben On Monday 25 Aug 2014 14:32:33 Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: +1 for Reply-By-Email! Forum.kde.org's anonymous notification can depress users that are AFK... On 25 August 2014 13:53, David Wright david.wright12...@gmail.com wrote: I did send this originally to the kde-www address but I thought I'd send it here as well for a bit of fun. Kind regards, David -- Forwarded message -- From: david.wright12...@gmail.com Date: 17 Aug 2014 00:24 Subject: A change of heart To: kde-www kde-...@kde.org Cc: Hi guys, I've been doing a bit of research lately on CMS's and stumbled across http://commonsinabox.org/ which is basically a bundled buddypress plugin which powers http://commons.gc.cuny.edu/ amogest other. Given the social nature of this setup, and the fact it is built upon wordpress (it is basically a set of wordpress plugins that have been tested together), I felt that this might be something that KDE might like to take under consideration? A standard install would include forums, groups, collaborative docs, social @ mentions, user profiles etc, etc. Also, using the multi user aspect of wordpress it would still allow certain projects to keep their identity, but remain under the networks umbrella, as evidenced by: http://helpwanted.commons.gc.cuny.edu/ Naturally, being exposed then to the wordpress plugin ecosphere would allow then a better integrated events management, job board, even a store if desired. Ultimately though, the goal is to increase funding. The KDE websphere is too spread out, and this would help reign it in so we can really do focused funding campaigns on users. That would be the advantage of the groups, as we could tailor funding drives to particular interests and hopefully have better success. Administration might also be made easier as we could get rid of a fair few subdomains by moving to this kind of platform. Anyway, it's late, and I'm jabbering. Let me know what you think! :-) ps There is also a buddypress app that could be rebranded: https://github.com/yuttadhammo/buddydroid Mozilla were also working on bugzilla intergration a while back: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643570
[kde-community] A change of heart
I did send this originally to the kde-www address but I thought I'd send it here as well for a bit of fun. Kind regards, David -- Forwarded message -- From: david.wright12...@gmail.com Date: 17 Aug 2014 00:24 Subject: A change of heart To: kde-www kde-...@kde.org Cc: Hi guys, I've been doing a bit of research lately on CMS's and stumbled across http://commonsinabox.org/ which is basically a bundled buddypress plugin which powers http://commons.gc.cuny.edu/ amogest other. Given the social nature of this setup, and the fact it is built upon wordpress (it is basically a set of wordpress plugins that have been tested together), I felt that this might be something that KDE might like to take under consideration? A standard install would include forums, groups, collaborative docs, social @ mentions, user profiles etc, etc. Also, using the multi user aspect of wordpress it would still allow certain projects to keep their identity, but remain under the networks umbrella, as evidenced by: http://helpwanted.commons.gc.cuny.edu/ Naturally, being exposed then to the wordpress plugin ecosphere would allow then a better integrated events management, job board, even a store if desired. Ultimately though, the goal is to increase funding. The KDE websphere is too spread out, and this would help reign it in so we can really do focused funding campaigns on users. That would be the advantage of the groups, as we could tailor funding drives to particular interests and hopefully have better success. Administration might also be made easier as we could get rid of a fair few subdomains by moving to this kind of platform. Anyway, it's late, and I'm jabbering. Let me know what you think! :-) ps There is also a buddypress app that could be rebranded: https://github.com/yuttadhammo/buddydroid Mozilla were also working on bugzilla intergration a while back: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643570 ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] A change of heart
+1 for Reply-By-Email! Forum.kde.org's anonymous notification can depress users that are AFK... On 25 August 2014 13:53, David Wright david.wright12...@gmail.com wrote: I did send this originally to the kde-www address but I thought I'd send it here as well for a bit of fun. Kind regards, David -- Forwarded message -- From: david.wright12...@gmail.com Date: 17 Aug 2014 00:24 Subject: A change of heart To: kde-www kde-...@kde.org Cc: Hi guys, I've been doing a bit of research lately on CMS's and stumbled across http://commonsinabox.org/ which is basically a bundled buddypress plugin which powers http://commons.gc.cuny.edu/ amogest other. Given the social nature of this setup, and the fact it is built upon wordpress (it is basically a set of wordpress plugins that have been tested together), I felt that this might be something that KDE might like to take under consideration? A standard install would include forums, groups, collaborative docs, social @ mentions, user profiles etc, etc. Also, using the multi user aspect of wordpress it would still allow certain projects to keep their identity, but remain under the networks umbrella, as evidenced by: http://helpwanted.commons.gc.cuny.edu/ Naturally, being exposed then to the wordpress plugin ecosphere would allow then a better integrated events management, job board, even a store if desired. Ultimately though, the goal is to increase funding. The KDE websphere is too spread out, and this would help reign it in so we can really do focused funding campaigns on users. That would be the advantage of the groups, as we could tailor funding drives to particular interests and hopefully have better success. Administration might also be made easier as we could get rid of a fair few subdomains by moving to this kind of platform. Anyway, it's late, and I'm jabbering. Let me know what you think! :-) ps There is also a buddypress app that could be rebranded: https://github.com/yuttadhammo/buddydroid Mozilla were also working on bugzilla intergration a while back: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643570 ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community -- regards / pozdrawiam, Jaroslaw Staniek Kexi Calligra KDE | http://calligra.org/kexi | http://kde.org Qt for Tizen | http://qt-project.org/wiki/Tizen Qt Certified Specialist | http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
