Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Hi folks, Someone asked if there's a desktop Matrix client - there is! Infact there are many; inluding 3 Qt clients (Tensor, Quaternion and NaChat), an electron-wrapped version of Vector and even an experimental IRCd (PTO) that you can connect to from any IRC client! All of these can be found on this page: http://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html#clients Best regards, Oddvar On 26/07/16 13:51, Oddvar Lovaas wrote: Hi again, Apologies - the direct link to the KDE room is: https://vector.im/beta/#/room/#kde:matrix.org Best regards, Oddvar On 26/07/16 11:38, Oddvar Lovaas wrote: Hi guys, just jumping in here after briefly talking to Alex L. in Matrix. As he might have mentioned, Matrix itself is "just" the open standard. There are many Matrix-enabled clients - we collect all of them (atleast the ones we know about!) here: https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html We are also working on a feature-rich client for web and mobile called Vector (vector.im) - and with Matrix' guest access feature you can try it without having to sign up at https://vector.im/beta/#kde:matrix.org (This goes directly to a KDE room I just set up). Mobile clients are available on the Apple and Google stores, as well as on F-droid. Matrix is not just messaging though (in fact all we are doing, is exchanging JSON-blobs), and we natively support VoIP calling via WebRTC. Matrix wants to link together all communication services, and we already have an IRC-bridge, a slack-bridge, a gitter bridge and more. The community have written other bridges, including XMPP and hubot-integration to Rocket Chat. Again there's a list on https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html#application-services I'm happy to try to answer any questions you may have on Matrix/Vector - either here or in Matrix! It would be great to get you all using Matrix, and I am very happy to help setting things up for you! Best regards, Oddvar On 26/07/16 10:33, Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: Hi, On 18 July 2016 at 16:58, Filipe Saraiva wrote: If there is some interest in this test, please let me know and I can foward the reply for them. at WikiToLearn we set up a test instance on one of our staging servers. You can login with phabricator details on https://chat.wikitolearn.org ; It is a testing instance, so you're free to try all the features, but please try not to spam it too much; we're trying to use it in our everyday communication (to evaluate it) and would like to keep the database when (and if) we will move it to production! Bye, -Riccardo ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Il 20-07-2016 17:57 Christian ha scritto: Marco Martin writes: Hi all, Hi all, sorry, I'm a bit late to the party, but I just got pointed at this thread due to bringing it up on IRC, due to the recent blog post about the Telegram / IRC tunnel: Right now many groups are using Telegram as their primary communication medium due to some limitations in IRC (mainly due to the ease of pasting images inline the channel and the lack of fancy mobile clients for IRC), there may be other valid reasons i'm not aware of today i randomly stumbled upon http://www.mattermost.org/ it seems to tick all the boxes: * open source * we can self host an instance * fancy mobile and desktop apps * inline multimedia attachments into messages * and most important for us old farts: bridge to IRC :p didn't try it, just stumbled upon it but may be something to be considered? I maintain a personal mattermost setup because we are currently evaluating it at work. Maybe I have to say first that due to my background (I am a former freenode staff member) I am heavily biased towards IRC. But: if you plan to have an alternative to IRC, mattermost would be my recommendation. Mostly due to, compared to telegram, you having actual control over the server as well and the server being FOSS, not a proprietary thing running through a third party company. It also is very much aimed at development due to features like code blocks with syntax highlighting. It also is a bit less of a mess because it provides Teams (similar to what IRC Networks are) and rooms (similar to what IRC channels are) and can be well structured. It can also integrate rather well with various ticketing and monitoring solutions, plus, similar to telegram, can tunnel to / from IRC. So if some people, for whatever reasons, want to use anything else than IRC: my recommendation is that KDE infra provides something. Else there will be an uncontrollable mess of various protocols used by various groups, so people end up with n clients just to stay in touch with various parts. I assume if there was an official tool provided people would be less likely to use whatever alternatives they know from personal use. Also at least it could be centralized still, some protocols do not work terribly well with IRC tunnels. tl;dr recommendation: if some people really can't deal with IRC and need alternatives: go with mattermost, but provide an official instance. Kind regards, Christian Hi all, I tried Mattermost, but I still think Matrix[1] is better at the moment, since it has: * 2 web clients * 3 Android clients * a multiplatform client based on QML * it's decentralized and also **federated** * users can be easly found by their email if they setup it, like Telegram with phone number * chat history is fully supported * push notification * a lot of bots, including an official IRC-mirror, already available * support for calls and video-calls (not in every client obviously) I strongly suggest to ready the Matrix's FAQ[2]. Please, let's discuss Mattermost Vs Matrix because at the moment Matrix seems to me better than Mattermost especially for the values, shared by KDE, that Matrix's design bring finally to reality without sacrificing user experience. If we have to slowly move away from IRC & Telegram, the choice should be Matrix, this is just my opinion after months in Matrix rooms. [1] https://matrix.org/ [2] https://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html -- Alessandro Longo ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Hi again, Apologies - the direct link to the KDE room is: https://vector.im/beta/#/room/#kde:matrix.org Best regards, Oddvar On 26/07/16 11:38, Oddvar Lovaas wrote: Hi guys, just jumping in here after briefly talking to Alex L. in Matrix. As he might have mentioned, Matrix itself is "just" the open standard. There are many Matrix-enabled clients - we collect all of them (atleast the ones we know about!) here: https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html We are also working on a feature-rich client for web and mobile called Vector (vector.im) - and with Matrix' guest access feature you can try it without having to sign up at https://vector.im/beta/#kde:matrix.org (This goes directly to a KDE room I just set up). Mobile clients are available on the Apple and Google stores, as well as on F-droid. Matrix is not just messaging though (in fact all we are doing, is exchanging JSON-blobs), and we natively support VoIP calling via WebRTC. Matrix wants to link together all communication services, and we already have an IRC-bridge, a slack-bridge, a gitter bridge and more. The community have written other bridges, including XMPP and hubot-integration to Rocket Chat. Again there's a list on https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html#application-services I'm happy to try to answer any questions you may have on Matrix/Vector - either here or in Matrix! It would be great to get you all using Matrix, and I am very happy to help setting things up for you! Best regards, Oddvar On 26/07/16 10:33, Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: Hi, On 18 July 2016 at 16:58, Filipe Saraiva wrote: If there is some interest in this test, please let me know and I can foward the reply for them. at WikiToLearn we set up a test instance on one of our staging servers. You can login with phabricator details on https://chat.wikitolearn.org ; It is a testing instance, so you're free to try all the features, but please try not to spam it too much; we're trying to use it in our everyday communication (to evaluate it) and would like to keep the database when (and if) we will move it to production! Bye, -Riccardo ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Hi guys, just jumping in here after briefly talking to Alex L. in Matrix. As he might have mentioned, Matrix itself is "just" the open standard. There are many Matrix-enabled clients - we collect all of them (atleast the ones we know about!) here: https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html We are also working on a feature-rich client for web and mobile called Vector (vector.im) - and with Matrix' guest access feature you can try it without having to sign up at https://vector.im/beta/#kde:matrix.org (This goes directly to a KDE room I just set up). Mobile clients are available on the Apple and Google stores, as well as on F-droid. Matrix is not just messaging though (in fact all we are doing, is exchanging JSON-blobs), and we natively support VoIP calling via WebRTC. Matrix wants to link together all communication services, and we already have an IRC-bridge, a slack-bridge, a gitter bridge and more. The community have written other bridges, including XMPP and hubot-integration to Rocket Chat. Again there's a list on https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html#application-services I'm happy to try to answer any questions you may have on Matrix/Vector - either here or in Matrix! It would be great to get you all using Matrix, and I am very happy to help setting things up for you! Best regards, Oddvar On 26/07/16 10:33, Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: Hi, On 18 July 2016 at 16:58, Filipe Saraiva wrote: If there is some interest in this test, please let me know and I can foward the reply for them. at WikiToLearn we set up a test instance on one of our staging servers. You can login with phabricator details on https://chat.wikitolearn.org ; It is a testing instance, so you're free to try all the features, but please try not to spam it too much; we're trying to use it in our everyday communication (to evaluate it) and would like to keep the database when (and if) we will move it to production! Bye, -Riccardo ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Hi, On 18 July 2016 at 16:58, Filipe Saraiva wrote: > If there is some interest in this test, please let me know and I can > foward the reply for them. at WikiToLearn we set up a test instance on one of our staging servers. You can login with phabricator details on https://chat.wikitolearn.org ; It is a testing instance, so you're free to try all the features, but please try not to spam it too much; we're trying to use it in our everyday communication (to evaluate it) and would like to keep the database when (and if) we will move it to production! Bye, -Riccardo -- Pace Peace Paix Paz Frieden Pax Pokój Friður Fred Béke 和平 Hasiti Lapé Hetep Malu Mир Wolakota Santiphap Irini Peoch שלום Shanti Vrede Baris Rój Mír Taika Rongo Sulh Mir Py'guapy 평화 ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Il 20-07-2016 17:57 Christian ha scritto: Marco Martin writes: Hi all, Hi all, sorry, I'm a bit late to the party, but I just got pointed at this thread due to bringing it up on IRC, due to the recent blog post about the Telegram / IRC tunnel: Right now many groups are using Telegram as their primary communication medium due to some limitations in IRC (mainly due to the ease of pasting images inline the channel and the lack of fancy mobile clients for IRC), there may be other valid reasons i'm not aware of today i randomly stumbled upon http://www.mattermost.org/ it seems to tick all the boxes: * open source * we can self host an instance * fancy mobile and desktop apps * inline multimedia attachments into messages * and most important for us old farts: bridge to IRC :p didn't try it, just stumbled upon it but may be something to be considered? I maintain a personal mattermost setup because we are currently evaluating it at work. Maybe I have to say first that due to my background (I am a former freenode staff member) I am heavily biased towards IRC. But: if you plan to have an alternative to IRC, mattermost would be my recommendation. Mostly due to, compared to telegram, you having actual control over the server as well and the server being FOSS, not a proprietary thing running through a third party company. It also is very much aimed at development due to features like code blocks with syntax highlighting. It also is a bit less of a mess because it provides Teams (similar to what IRC Networks are) and rooms (similar to what IRC channels are) and can be well structured. It can also integrate rather well with various ticketing and monitoring solutions, plus, similar to telegram, can tunnel to / from IRC. So if some people, for whatever reasons, want to use anything else than IRC: my recommendation is that KDE infra provides something. Else there will be an uncontrollable mess of various protocols used by various groups, so people end up with n clients just to stay in touch with various parts. I assume if there was an official tool provided people would be less likely to use whatever alternatives they know from personal use. Also at least it could be centralized still, some protocols do not work terribly well with IRC tunnels. tl;dr recommendation: if some people really can't deal with IRC and need alternatives: go with mattermost, but provide an official instance. Kind regards, Christian Hi all, I tried Mattermost, but I still think Matrix[1] is better at the moment, since it has: * 2 web clients * 3 Android clients * a multi-platform client based on QML * it's decentralized and also **federated** * users can be easily found by their email if they setup it, like Telegram with phone number * chat history is fully supported * push notifications * a lot of bots, including an official IRC-mirror, already available * support for calls and video-calls (atm not in every client obviously) * we can eventually run KDE's instance federated with the other ones I strongly suggest to ready the Matrix's FAQ[2]. Please, let's discuss Mattermost Vs Matrix because at the moment Matrix seems to me better than Mattermost especially for the values shared by KDE that Matrix's design bring finally to reality without sacrificing user experience. If we have to slowly move away from IRC & Telegram, the choice should be Matrix, this is just my opinion after months in Matrix rooms. [1] https://matrix.org/ [2] https://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html -- Alessandro Longo ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
On 20.07.2016 17:57, Christian wrote: I maintain a personal mattermost setup because we are currently evaluating it at work. Maybe I have to say first that due to my background (I am a former freenode staff member) I am heavily biased towards IRC. But: if you plan to have an alternative to IRC, mattermost would be my recommendation. Mostly due to, compared to telegram, you having actual control over the server as well and the server being FOSS, not a proprietary thing running through a third party company. It also is very much aimed at development due to features like code blocks with syntax highlighting. It also is a bit less of a mess because it provides Teams (similar to what IRC Networks are) and rooms (similar to what IRC channels are) and can be well structured. It can also integrate rather well with various ticketing and monitoring solutions, plus, similar to telegram, can tunnel to / from IRC. So if some people, for whatever reasons, want to use anything else than IRC: my recommendation is that KDE infra provides something. Else there will be an uncontrollable mess of various protocols used by various groups, so people end up with n clients just to stay in touch with various parts. I assume if there was an official tool provided people would be less likely to use whatever alternatives they know from personal use. Also at least it could be centralized still, some protocols do not work terribly well with IRC tunnels. tl;dr recommendation: if some people really can't deal with IRC and need alternatives: go with mattermost, but provide an official instance. Have you managed to get mobile push notifications working without needing a subscription with Mattermost? This is an issue we have not managed to solve during our evaluation, but it is an absolute must for it to be viable for us. ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Am Mittwoch, 20. Juli 2016, 18:37:24 CEST schrieb Thomas Pfeiffer: > On 20.07.2016 17:57, Christian wrote: Hi Thomas, > > tl;dr recommendation: if some people really can't deal with IRC and need > > alternatives: go with mattermost, but provide an official instance. > > Have you managed to get mobile push notifications working without > needing a subscription with Mattermost? > This is an issue we have not managed to solve during our evaluation, > but it is an absolute must for it to be viable for us. I'm afraid I have not looked into that yet as for us it is unimportant, I shall see if I find the time to give it a go later this week, though. I can only test with Android, mind, as I don't have any apple devices at hand. Kind regards, Christian ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Marco Martin writes: > Hi all, Hi all, sorry, I'm a bit late to the party, but I just got pointed at this thread due to bringing it up on IRC, due to the recent blog post about the Telegram / IRC tunnel: > Right now many groups are using Telegram as their primary communication medium > due to some limitations in IRC (mainly due to the ease of pasting images > inline the channel and the lack of fancy mobile clients for IRC), there may be > other valid reasons i'm not aware of > today i randomly stumbled upon > http://www.mattermost.org/ > > it seems to tick all the boxes: > * open source > * we can self host an instance > * fancy mobile and desktop apps > * inline multimedia attachments into messages > * and most important for us old farts: bridge to IRC :p > > didn't try it, just stumbled upon it but may be something to be considered? I maintain a personal mattermost setup because we are currently evaluating it at work. Maybe I have to say first that due to my background (I am a former freenode staff member) I am heavily biased towards IRC. But: if you plan to have an alternative to IRC, mattermost would be my recommendation. Mostly due to, compared to telegram, you having actual control over the server as well and the server being FOSS, not a proprietary thing running through a third party company. It also is very much aimed at development due to features like code blocks with syntax highlighting. It also is a bit less of a mess because it provides Teams (similar to what IRC Networks are) and rooms (similar to what IRC channels are) and can be well structured. It can also integrate rather well with various ticketing and monitoring solutions, plus, similar to telegram, can tunnel to / from IRC. So if some people, for whatever reasons, want to use anything else than IRC: my recommendation is that KDE infra provides something. Else there will be an uncontrollable mess of various protocols used by various groups, so people end up with n clients just to stay in touch with various parts. I assume if there was an official tool provided people would be less likely to use whatever alternatives they know from personal use. Also at least it could be centralized still, some protocols do not work terribly well with IRC tunnels. tl;dr recommendation: if some people really can't deal with IRC and need alternatives: go with mattermost, but provide an official instance. Kind regards, Christian ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Personally I am pro opensource options, but the most relevant one is that we pick one and stick with it as long as possible. That is key. On Tuesday, 17 May 2016 10:55:52 CEST Marco Martin wrote: > Hi all, > Right now many groups are using Telegram as their primary communication > medium due to some limitations in IRC (mainly due to the ease of pasting > images inline the channel and the lack of fancy mobile clients for IRC), > there may be other valid reasons i'm not aware of > today i randomly stumbled upon > http://www.mattermost.org/ > > it seems to tick all the boxes: > * open source > * we can self host an instance > * fancy mobile and desktop apps > * inline multimedia attachments into messages > * and most important for us old farts: bridge to IRC :p > > didn't try it, just stumbled upon it but may be something to be considered? ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Hi all, During this FISL I talked with rocket.chat [1] team and they were very receptive to help our sysadmin team if we want to test their chat solution in our infra. If there is some interest in this test, please let me know and I can foward the reply for them. Cheers; [1] https://rocket.chat/ -- Filipe Saraiva http://filipesaraiva.info/ ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
2016-05-20 12:22 GMT-03:00 Thomas Pfeiffer : > On Dienstag, 17. Mai 2016 12:33:25 CEST Nicolás Alvarez wrote: >> 2016-05-17 5:55 GMT-03:00 Marco Martin : >> > Hi all, >> > Right now many groups are using Telegram as their primary communication >> > medium due to some limitations in IRC (mainly due to the ease of pasting >> > images inline the channel and the lack of fancy mobile clients for IRC), >> > there may be other valid reasons i'm not aware of >> > today i randomly stumbled upon >> > http://www.mattermost.org/ >> > >> > it seems to tick all the boxes: >> > * open source >> > * we can self host an instance >> > * fancy mobile and desktop apps >> > * inline multimedia attachments into messages >> > * and most important for us old farts: bridge to IRC :p >> > >> > didn't try it, just stumbled upon it but may be something to be >> > considered? >> >> There is no sane option for fancy mobile apps. You either compile your >> own apps, get a developer account on app stores ($99 for iOS, $25 for >> Android), get them through the app store review process, and maintain >> them forever; or you use the official Mattermost apps that are already >> in app stores, and pay Mattermost $20/user/year to send push >> notifications through their servers. > > Are you sure about this? From what I've read on their website, only encrypted > push notifications need a subscription, which is not necessary for talking > about Free Software anyway, if we're being honest. > None of our current Telegram or IRC communication is encrypted, so why would > we need encryption for Mattermost? > I cannot see anywhere that the Android app only works at all with a > subscription. Do they have such thing as "non-encrypted push notifications"? To send a push notification to the iOS app, you need to talk to Apple's servers using a SSL client certificate they give to the developer. For the official app, obviously only Mattermost's servers have that certificate. Either you proxy your notifications through them (which apparently costs money), or you put your own app in the store and talk to Apple directly. If you don't do either, the app would probably still work, but you get no notifications while the app isn't open/active. I don't know much about Android's push notification system (GCM) but I think it works in the exact same way. -- Nicolás ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
On Dienstag, 17. Mai 2016 12:33:25 CEST Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > 2016-05-17 5:55 GMT-03:00 Marco Martin : > > Hi all, > > Right now many groups are using Telegram as their primary communication > > medium due to some limitations in IRC (mainly due to the ease of pasting > > images inline the channel and the lack of fancy mobile clients for IRC), > > there may be other valid reasons i'm not aware of > > today i randomly stumbled upon > > http://www.mattermost.org/ > > > > it seems to tick all the boxes: > > * open source > > * we can self host an instance > > * fancy mobile and desktop apps > > * inline multimedia attachments into messages > > * and most important for us old farts: bridge to IRC :p > > > > didn't try it, just stumbled upon it but may be something to be > > considered? > > There is no sane option for fancy mobile apps. You either compile your > own apps, get a developer account on app stores ($99 for iOS, $25 for > Android), get them through the app store review process, and maintain > them forever; or you use the official Mattermost apps that are already > in app stores, and pay Mattermost $20/user/year to send push > notifications through their servers. Are you sure about this? From what I've read on their website, only encrypted push notifications need a subscription, which is not necessary for talking about Free Software anyway, if we're being honest. None of our current Telegram or IRC communication is encrypted, so why would we need encryption for Mattermost? I cannot see anywhere that the Android app only works at all with a subscription. ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:28 AM, Luca Beltrame wrote: > > Il giorno Tue, 17 May 2016 20:18:37 +0200 > Thomas Pfeiffer ha > scritto: > > > Good point! I think we should use it internally extensively before > > switching any public communication over to it. > > More food for thought: another alternative may be Matrix[1] a FOSS, > federated service a la Jabber. Unfortunately it lacks "proper" desktop > clients, but there are a number of web and mobile clients around[2]. > > However, it looks a little more complicated to set up. > > [1] https://matrix.org/ > [2] https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html > > -- > Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team > GPG key ID: A29D259B I run a Matrix homeserver myself - it's not very hard to set up, there are Debian packages for it that work pretty well. The Matrix devs also run a bridge to Freenode, and you can self-host an IRC bridge if necessary. (I hang out in a bunch of KDE channels through this!) ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Em 18-05-2016 17:30, Marco Martin escreveu: > > that looks neat as well > and seems the mobile clients are available free of charge, even tough the > public sources seems only for the server, not for the clients? There are repositories for desktop clients [1] and mobile clients [2] [3] [4] in Github. Currently the mobile client in [2] is a non-native client for different platforms. They are creating the native mobile clients for each platform yet (repositories [3] and [4]). [1] https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat.Electron [2] https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat.Cordova [3] https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat.Android [4] https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat.iOS -- Filipe Saraiva http://filipesaraiva.info/ ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
On Wednesday 18 May 2016 09:19:47 Filipe Saraiva wrote: > Em 18-05-2016 02:28, Luca Beltrame escreveu: > > Il giorno Tue, 17 May 2016 20:18:37 +0200 > > Thomas Pfeiffer ha > > > > scritto: > >> Good point! I think we should use it internally extensively before > >> switching any public communication over to it. > > > > More food for thought: another alternative may be Matrix[1] a FOSS, > > federated service a la Jabber. Unfortunately it lacks "proper" desktop > > clients, but there are a number of web and mobile clients around[2]. > > Other alternative is Rocket.chat [1]. There are several ways to deploy a > server, clients for mobile and desktop, integration with some services, > and more. The README [2] has also a lot of information. > > [1] https://rocket.chat/ > [2] https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat that looks neat as well and seems the mobile clients are available free of charge, even tough the public sources seems only for the server, not for the clients? -- Marco Martin ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
On Tuesday 17 May 2016 20:18:37 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > In that regard, I'm for getting us an installation as soon as possible so we > could try out or well it works for us. > If it still proves to work well after the "oh, shiny new toy!" emotion > wears off, we could make it official. for me the issue is mostly not depending from a proprietary service, the "ooh, shiny" part doesn't really play a big role -- Marco Martin ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Em 18-05-2016 02:28, Luca Beltrame escreveu: > Il giorno Tue, 17 May 2016 20:18:37 +0200 > Thomas Pfeiffer ha > scritto: > >> Good point! I think we should use it internally extensively before >> switching any public communication over to it. > More food for thought: another alternative may be Matrix[1] a FOSS, > federated service a la Jabber. Unfortunately it lacks "proper" desktop > clients, but there are a number of web and mobile clients around[2]. Other alternative is Rocket.chat [1]. There are several ways to deploy a server, clients for mobile and desktop, integration with some services, and more. The README [2] has also a lot of information. [1] https://rocket.chat/ [2] https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat -- Filipe Saraiva http://filipesaraiva.info/ 0x05527004.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Il giorno Tue, 17 May 2016 20:18:37 +0200 Thomas Pfeiffer ha scritto: > Good point! I think we should use it internally extensively before > switching any public communication over to it. More food for thought: another alternative may be Matrix[1] a FOSS, federated service a la Jabber. Unfortunately it lacks "proper" desktop clients, but there are a number of web and mobile clients around[2]. However, it looks a little more complicated to set up. [1] https://matrix.org/ [2] https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team GPG key ID: A29D259B pgp8PjLRWj4nw.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
On Dienstag, 17. Mai 2016 11:05:56 CEST Ken Vermette wrote: > I'm interested too, if for no other reason than self-hosting an instance > means we aren't tied to the fate of a 3rd-party. Several people who were > not on board with issues on the Telegram openness would probably be willing > to use this as well. > > One thing I'd like to mention is that we should firmly cement whatever we > choose, I don't think we've been using Telegram for a year and already > we're looking at changing again. People trying to follow our channels might > become frustrated if we switch messenger tools a third time, whatever we > decide I think we need to be willing to say we'll stick with it for at > least a couple years, even if we find it has faults. Good point! I think we should use it internally extensively before switching any public communication over to it. In that regard, I'm for getting us an installation as soon as possible so we could try out or well it works for us. If it still proves to work well after the "oh, shiny new toy!" emotion wears off, we could make it official. ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
On Dienstag, 17. Mai 2016 12:33:25 CEST Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > 2016-05-17 5:55 GMT-03:00 Marco Martin : > > Hi all, > > Right now many groups are using Telegram as their primary communication > > medium due to some limitations in IRC (mainly due to the ease of pasting > > images inline the channel and the lack of fancy mobile clients for IRC), > > there may be other valid reasons i'm not aware of > > today i randomly stumbled upon > > http://www.mattermost.org/ > > > > it seems to tick all the boxes: > > * open source > > * we can self host an instance > > * fancy mobile and desktop apps > > * inline multimedia attachments into messages > > * and most important for us old farts: bridge to IRC :p > > > > didn't try it, just stumbled upon it but may be something to be > > considered? > > There is no sane option for fancy mobile apps. You either compile your > own apps, get a developer account on app stores ($99 for iOS, $25 for > Android), get them through the app store review process, and maintain > them forever; or you use the official Mattermost apps that are already > in app stores, and pay Mattermost $20/user/year to send push > notifications through their servers. We already have a Google Play Store account, so at least that part would be no problem. ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
2016-05-17 5:55 GMT-03:00 Marco Martin : > Hi all, > Right now many groups are using Telegram as their primary communication medium > due to some limitations in IRC (mainly due to the ease of pasting images > inline the channel and the lack of fancy mobile clients for IRC), there may be > other valid reasons i'm not aware of > today i randomly stumbled upon > http://www.mattermost.org/ > > it seems to tick all the boxes: > * open source > * we can self host an instance > * fancy mobile and desktop apps > * inline multimedia attachments into messages > * and most important for us old farts: bridge to IRC :p > > didn't try it, just stumbled upon it but may be something to be considered? There is no sane option for fancy mobile apps. You either compile your own apps, get a developer account on app stores ($99 for iOS, $25 for Android), get them through the app store review process, and maintain them forever; or you use the official Mattermost apps that are already in app stores, and pay Mattermost $20/user/year to send push notifications through their servers. -- Nicolás ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
I'm interested too, if for no other reason than self-hosting an instance means we aren't tied to the fate of a 3rd-party. Several people who were not on board with issues on the Telegram openness would probably be willing to use this as well. One thing I'd like to mention is that we should firmly cement whatever we choose, I don't think we've been using Telegram for a year and already we're looking at changing again. People trying to follow our channels might become frustrated if we switch messenger tools a third time, whatever we decide I think we need to be willing to say we'll stick with it for at least a couple years, even if we find it has faults. On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 5:51 AM, Luca Beltrame wrote: > Il giorno Tue, 17 May 2016 11:24:59 +0200 > Teo Mrnjavac ha scritto: > > > A huge +1. It has Jenkins integration, and from what I gather > > Bugzilla integration might be doable as well. I'd love it if we had a > > I tested Mattermost myself a bit, it looks slick indeed, but I couldn't > test more than that as I didn't find anyone willing to test. ;) > > > ___ > kde-community mailing list > kde-community@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community > ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Il giorno Tue, 17 May 2016 11:24:59 +0200 Teo Mrnjavac ha scritto: > A huge +1. It has Jenkins integration, and from what I gather > Bugzilla integration might be doable as well. I'd love it if we had a I tested Mattermost myself a bit, it looks slick indeed, but I couldn't test more than that as I didn't find anyone willing to test. ;) pgpusQM8LT1XQ.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
On martedì 17 maggio 2016 10:55:52 CEST Marco Martin wrote: > Hi all, > Right now many groups are using Telegram as their primary communication > medium due to some limitations in IRC (mainly due to the ease of pasting > images inline the channel and the lack of fancy mobile clients for IRC), > there may be other valid reasons i'm not aware of > today i randomly stumbled upon > http://www.mattermost.org/ > > it seems to tick all the boxes: > * open source > * we can self host an instance > * fancy mobile and desktop apps > * inline multimedia attachments into messages > * and most important for us old farts: bridge to IRC :p > > didn't try it, just stumbled upon it but may be something to be considered? A huge +1. It has Jenkins integration, and from what I gather Bugzilla integration might be doable as well. I'd love it if we had a Mattermost instance, though obviously the added workload for Sysadmin should be considered. Cheers, -- Teo Mrnjavac http://teom.org | t...@kde.org ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
[kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Hi all, Right now many groups are using Telegram as their primary communication medium due to some limitations in IRC (mainly due to the ease of pasting images inline the channel and the lack of fancy mobile clients for IRC), there may be other valid reasons i'm not aware of today i randomly stumbled upon http://www.mattermost.org/ it seems to tick all the boxes: * open source * we can self host an instance * fancy mobile and desktop apps * inline multimedia attachments into messages * and most important for us old farts: bridge to IRC :p didn't try it, just stumbled upon it but may be something to be considered? -- Marco Martin ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
