Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Scott Petrovic]

I think I am mixing up conversations. To clarify, if we do a WordPress
multi-site, The Q&A plug-in will work perfect without any modification. For
themes, I am sure different sites can have different themes if they need
them.That would be odd if all sites had to share the same theme.

I will still have to make a theme for Krita and KDE, but that will be the
case regardless of what direction we go.

Scott




On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Ben Cooksley  wrote:

> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, Scott Petrovic 
> wrote:
> > WordPress multi-site might be worth a try. I am sure if I spent a lot of
> > time modifying the plug-in, I might be able to get it to work. One issue
>
> Do plugins not necessarily support it out of the box? Rather annoying
> if they don't, but it wouldn't surprise me considering how Wordpress
> Multi-Site is designed...
>
> > with modifying plug-ins is that any updates to WordPress or other
> plug-ins
> > could be a problem. If there is an update by the plug-in author or
> > WordPress, there is no easy way to patch it in.
>
> Could we try contributing any necessary patches to the upstream plugin?
>
> >
> > I did see in a different email thread that Ben mentioned something about
> > content in WordPress multi-site being shared. With how I understand
> > WordPress multi-site, these are the main differences
>
> Sorry, by content I meant things like themes.
>
> >
> > WordPress Multisite
> > 1. Has a new role Super User that controls all sites
> > 2. New network admin area. Plugins and themes are installed here and
> managed
> > for each site. Only Super Users can do this (probably Ben)
> > 3. Out of the 11 database tables that WordPress usually creates for a
> single
> > site, 9 of those are duplicated for each new site. This keeps the content
> > separate
> >
> >
> > This might be a good project to test WordPress multi-site out. I will
> help
> > in any way I can.
> > Scott
> >
>
> Regards,
> Ben
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:19 AM, Ben Cooksley  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Scott Petrovic <
> scottpetro...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > The way we are designing this Q&A site, I am starting to think it is a
> >> > bit
> >> > clumsy. This "answer to a question" will always be specific to a
> >> > project.
> >> > Even if we get the filtering thing to work, it will always need to be
> >> > filtered on every page. Every project will have to have this sticky
> >> > state -
> >> > hiding all other project questions and answers from the end user. It
> >> > adds a
> >> > level of 'required configuration' that doesn't exist in Q&A sites.
> This
> >> > just
> >> > seems clunky and unnecessary.
> >> >
> >> > I almost feel that this solution needs to take a slightly different
> >> > approach.
> >> >
> >> > 1. Have http://answers.kde.org/kde/ go to a KDE specific Q&A site.
> "What
> >> > is
> >> > KDE". "How do I help with translations". Things like that.
> >> > http://answers.kde.org could also redirect to here
> >> >
> >> > 2. From there, individual projects will need to request their own Q&A
> >> > site
> >> > if they really think they are wanting one. Krita would be (
> >> > https://answers.kde.org/krita/ )
> >> >
> >> > With the Krita pilot site, KDE will be able to decide if the
> WordPress +
> >> > plugin is a good standard for any future infrastructure requests. If
> the
> >> > Krita version is successful, I could also help if KDE wants to have a
> >> > more
> >> > general purpose KDE themed version. This KDE version could also be the
> >> > base
> >> > theme for any new projects that are created in the future.
> >> >
> >> > How does this direction sound? Are there technical hurdles with this?
> >> > What
> >> > are the downsides?
> >>
> >> This direction is fine with me, assuming the current plugin can't work
> >> with all applications sharing the same instance.
> >> I'd recommend we use Wordpress Multi-Site functionality as the core is
> >> essentially the same for each subsite.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Scott
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Ben
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Scott Petrovic
> >> > 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Alright.
> >> >>
> >> >> Carl - I think once we start adding content to this and use it, we
> >> >> don't
> >> >> want to have the possibility of everything being deleted. A lot of
> >> >> people
> >> >> are going to be spending time building this up. It would be
> >> >> disheartening
> >> >> since this is part of a support system. Links will be pointing to
> this
> >> >> in
> >> >> blogs. We will be referencing it in IRC and forums - in addition to
> any
> >> >> SEO
> >> >> benefits that would be lost in the trial months. We need to get a
> good
> >> >> long
> >> >> term solution in place and then roll with it. I think that will
> create
> >> >> more
> >> >> confidence and drive higher usage as well.
> >> >>
> >> >> Rick - you seem to have a solution for this. Do you want to take a
> stab
> >>

Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Ben Cooksley]

On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, Scott Petrovic  wrote:
> WordPress multi-site might be worth a try. I am sure if I spent a lot of
> time modifying the plug-in, I might be able to get it to work. One issue

Do plugins not necessarily support it out of the box? Rather annoying
if they don't, but it wouldn't surprise me considering how Wordpress
Multi-Site is designed...

> with modifying plug-ins is that any updates to WordPress or other plug-ins
> could be a problem. If there is an update by the plug-in author or
> WordPress, there is no easy way to patch it in.

Could we try contributing any necessary patches to the upstream plugin?

>
> I did see in a different email thread that Ben mentioned something about
> content in WordPress multi-site being shared. With how I understand
> WordPress multi-site, these are the main differences

Sorry, by content I meant things like themes.

>
> WordPress Multisite
> 1. Has a new role Super User that controls all sites
> 2. New network admin area. Plugins and themes are installed here and managed
> for each site. Only Super Users can do this (probably Ben)
> 3. Out of the 11 database tables that WordPress usually creates for a single
> site, 9 of those are duplicated for each new site. This keeps the content
> separate
>
>
> This might be a good project to test WordPress multi-site out. I will help
> in any way I can.
> Scott
>

Regards,
Ben

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:19 AM, Ben Cooksley  wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Scott Petrovic 
>> wrote:
>> > The way we are designing this Q&A site, I am starting to think it is a
>> > bit
>> > clumsy. This "answer to a question" will always be specific to a
>> > project.
>> > Even if we get the filtering thing to work, it will always need to be
>> > filtered on every page. Every project will have to have this sticky
>> > state -
>> > hiding all other project questions and answers from the end user. It
>> > adds a
>> > level of 'required configuration' that doesn't exist in Q&A sites. This
>> > just
>> > seems clunky and unnecessary.
>> >
>> > I almost feel that this solution needs to take a slightly different
>> > approach.
>> >
>> > 1. Have http://answers.kde.org/kde/ go to a KDE specific Q&A site. "What
>> > is
>> > KDE". "How do I help with translations". Things like that.
>> > http://answers.kde.org could also redirect to here
>> >
>> > 2. From there, individual projects will need to request their own Q&A
>> > site
>> > if they really think they are wanting one. Krita would be (
>> > https://answers.kde.org/krita/ )
>> >
>> > With the Krita pilot site, KDE will be able to decide if the WordPress +
>> > plugin is a good standard for any future infrastructure requests. If the
>> > Krita version is successful, I could also help if KDE wants to have a
>> > more
>> > general purpose KDE themed version. This KDE version could also be the
>> > base
>> > theme for any new projects that are created in the future.
>> >
>> > How does this direction sound? Are there technical hurdles with this?
>> > What
>> > are the downsides?
>>
>> This direction is fine with me, assuming the current plugin can't work
>> with all applications sharing the same instance.
>> I'd recommend we use Wordpress Multi-Site functionality as the core is
>> essentially the same for each subsite.
>>
>> >
>> > Scott
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ben
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Scott Petrovic
>> > 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Alright.
>> >>
>> >> Carl - I think once we start adding content to this and use it, we
>> >> don't
>> >> want to have the possibility of everything being deleted. A lot of
>> >> people
>> >> are going to be spending time building this up. It would be
>> >> disheartening
>> >> since this is part of a support system. Links will be pointing to this
>> >> in
>> >> blogs. We will be referencing it in IRC and forums - in addition to any
>> >> SEO
>> >> benefits that would be lost in the trial months. We need to get a good
>> >> long
>> >> term solution in place and then roll with it. I think that will create
>> >> more
>> >> confidence and drive higher usage as well.
>> >>
>> >> Rick - you seem to have a solution for this. Do you want to take a stab
>> >> at
>> >> making the fixes? With the direction we were going, we were wanting to
>> >> have
>> >> the search be filtered by category. Also, it would be nice to have a
>> >> URL
>> >> that would make the categories sticky. That way when you are on a
>> >> product,
>> >> it will stay on that project. This will make it easier for a project to
>> >> link
>> >> to the Q&A site and they know everything will be filtered by their
>> >> project.
>> >> If interested, you can probably put in a infrastructure support ticket
>> >> to
>> >> get access (https://sysadmin.kde.org/tickets/).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> For the styling, we will have to make it KDE styled since it will be
>> >> for
>> >> all projects. Making the design look like Krita branding would be
>> >> confusing.
>

Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Scott Petrovic]

WordPress multi-site might be worth a try. I am sure if I spent a lot of
time modifying the plug-in, I might be able to get it to work. One issue
with modifying plug-ins is that any updates to WordPress or other plug-ins
could be a problem. If there is an update by the plug-in author or
WordPress, there is no easy way to patch it in.

I did see in a different email thread that Ben mentioned something about
content in WordPress multi-site being shared. With how I understand
WordPress multi-site, these are the main differences

WordPress Multisite
1. Has a new role Super User that controls all sites
2. New network admin area. Plugins and themes are installed here and
managed for each site. Only Super Users can do this (probably Ben)
3. Out of the 11 database tables that WordPress usually creates for a
single site, 9 of those are duplicated for each new site. This keeps the
content separate


This might be a good project to test WordPress multi-site out. I will help
in any way I can.
Scott











On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:19 AM, Ben Cooksley  wrote:

> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Scott Petrovic 
> wrote:
> > The way we are designing this Q&A site, I am starting to think it is a
> bit
> > clumsy. This "answer to a question" will always be specific to a project.
> > Even if we get the filtering thing to work, it will always need to be
> > filtered on every page. Every project will have to have this sticky
> state -
> > hiding all other project questions and answers from the end user. It
> adds a
> > level of 'required configuration' that doesn't exist in Q&A sites. This
> just
> > seems clunky and unnecessary.
> >
> > I almost feel that this solution needs to take a slightly different
> > approach.
> >
> > 1. Have http://answers.kde.org/kde/ go to a KDE specific Q&A site.
> "What is
> > KDE". "How do I help with translations". Things like that.
> > http://answers.kde.org could also redirect to here
> >
> > 2. From there, individual projects will need to request their own Q&A
> site
> > if they really think they are wanting one. Krita would be (
> > https://answers.kde.org/krita/ )
> >
> > With the Krita pilot site, KDE will be able to decide if the WordPress +
> > plugin is a good standard for any future infrastructure requests. If the
> > Krita version is successful, I could also help if KDE wants to have a
> more
> > general purpose KDE themed version. This KDE version could also be the
> base
> > theme for any new projects that are created in the future.
> >
> > How does this direction sound? Are there technical hurdles with this?
> What
> > are the downsides?
>
> This direction is fine with me, assuming the current plugin can't work
> with all applications sharing the same instance.
> I'd recommend we use Wordpress Multi-Site functionality as the core is
> essentially the same for each subsite.
>
> >
> > Scott
>
> Cheers,
> Ben
>
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Scott Petrovic  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Alright.
> >>
> >> Carl - I think once we start adding content to this and use it, we don't
> >> want to have the possibility of everything being deleted. A lot of
> people
> >> are going to be spending time building this up. It would be
> disheartening
> >> since this is part of a support system. Links will be pointing to this
> in
> >> blogs. We will be referencing it in IRC and forums - in addition to any
> SEO
> >> benefits that would be lost in the trial months. We need to get a good
> long
> >> term solution in place and then roll with it. I think that will create
> more
> >> confidence and drive higher usage as well.
> >>
> >> Rick - you seem to have a solution for this. Do you want to take a stab
> at
> >> making the fixes? With the direction we were going, we were wanting to
> have
> >> the search be filtered by category. Also, it would be nice to have a URL
> >> that would make the categories sticky. That way when you are on a
> product,
> >> it will stay on that project. This will make it easier for a project to
> link
> >> to the Q&A site and they know everything will be filtered by their
> project.
> >> If interested, you can probably put in a infrastructure support ticket
> to
> >> get access (https://sysadmin.kde.org/tickets/).
> >>
> >>
> >> For the styling, we will have to make it KDE styled since it will be for
> >> all projects. Making the design look like Krita branding would be
> confusing.
> >> Scott
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Rick.Timmis  >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my Dragon 32
> >>>
> >>> Carl Symons  wrote:
> >>> On 05/13/2015 06:02 PM, Scott Petrovic wrote:
> >>> > I started configuring the Q&A site plugin.
> >>> >
> >>> > https://answers.kde.org/
> >>> >
> >>> > You can search for questions or add your own. One issue I am having
> >>> > with
> >>> > this plug-in is you cannot filter by category(product) before you
> ask a
> >>> > question. All of the different products get lumped together in the

Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Ben Cooksley]

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Scott Petrovic  wrote:
> The way we are designing this Q&A site, I am starting to think it is a bit
> clumsy. This "answer to a question" will always be specific to a project.
> Even if we get the filtering thing to work, it will always need to be
> filtered on every page. Every project will have to have this sticky state -
> hiding all other project questions and answers from the end user. It adds a
> level of 'required configuration' that doesn't exist in Q&A sites. This just
> seems clunky and unnecessary.
>
> I almost feel that this solution needs to take a slightly different
> approach.
>
> 1. Have http://answers.kde.org/kde/ go to a KDE specific Q&A site. "What is
> KDE". "How do I help with translations". Things like that.
> http://answers.kde.org could also redirect to here
>
> 2. From there, individual projects will need to request their own Q&A site
> if they really think they are wanting one. Krita would be (
> https://answers.kde.org/krita/ )
>
> With the Krita pilot site, KDE will be able to decide if the WordPress +
> plugin is a good standard for any future infrastructure requests. If the
> Krita version is successful, I could also help if KDE wants to have a more
> general purpose KDE themed version. This KDE version could also be the base
> theme for any new projects that are created in the future.
>
> How does this direction sound? Are there technical hurdles with this? What
> are the downsides?

This direction is fine with me, assuming the current plugin can't work
with all applications sharing the same instance.
I'd recommend we use Wordpress Multi-Site functionality as the core is
essentially the same for each subsite.

>
> Scott

Cheers,
Ben

>
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Scott Petrovic 
> wrote:
>>
>> Alright.
>>
>> Carl - I think once we start adding content to this and use it, we don't
>> want to have the possibility of everything being deleted. A lot of people
>> are going to be spending time building this up. It would be disheartening
>> since this is part of a support system. Links will be pointing to this in
>> blogs. We will be referencing it in IRC and forums - in addition to any SEO
>> benefits that would be lost in the trial months. We need to get a good long
>> term solution in place and then roll with it. I think that will create more
>> confidence and drive higher usage as well.
>>
>> Rick - you seem to have a solution for this. Do you want to take a stab at
>> making the fixes? With the direction we were going, we were wanting to have
>> the search be filtered by category. Also, it would be nice to have a URL
>> that would make the categories sticky. That way when you are on a product,
>> it will stay on that project. This will make it easier for a project to link
>> to the Q&A site and they know everything will be filtered by their project.
>> If interested, you can probably put in a infrastructure support ticket to
>> get access (https://sysadmin.kde.org/tickets/).
>>
>>
>> For the styling, we will have to make it KDE styled since it will be for
>> all projects. Making the design look like Krita branding would be confusing.
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Rick.Timmis 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Dragon 32
>>>
>>> Carl Symons  wrote:
>>> On 05/13/2015 06:02 PM, Scott Petrovic wrote:
>>> > I started configuring the Q&A site plugin.
>>> >
>>> > https://answers.kde.org/
>>> >
>>> > You can search for questions or add your own. One issue I am having
>>> > with
>>> > this plug-in is you cannot filter by category(product) before you ask a
>>> > question. All of the different products get lumped together in the same
>>> > search. For the questions I made, typing in "transform" will bring up
>>> > questions in multiple products. There is no way to tell what product a
>>> > question belongs to currently.
>>> >
>>> > Out of the solutions that I have found, I haven't seen a Q&A site
>>> > solution that is designed in the direction we were going (select a
>>> > category, then ask a question). Does anyone else have any thoughts?
>>> >
>>> > Scott
>>> >
>>>
>>> My first thought is that this is not ready for general KDE Q&A. The plan
>>> was to get the wrinkles out with Krita, using this as a pilot (and dev
>>> site). People need to know that it is likely that there will be major
>>> tweaks, as well as the possibility that all the data may disappear.
>>>
>>> I agree with you Scott. I would expect to be able to look for questions
>>> dealing with Krita and not get other products. It doesn't work like I
>>> thought it would.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I think the Ajax type ahead search might be the cause of the problem. I
>>> don't think it will work well with lots of data and results. Also it is most
>>> likely not honouring the category selected. Can it be turned off ?
>>>
>>> I really like this as a starting point, clean, simple and the categories
>>> are perfect for KDE Applications.
>>>

Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Scott Petrovic]

The way we are designing this Q&A site, I am starting to think it is a bit
clumsy. This "answer to a question" will always be specific to a project.
Even if we get the filtering thing to work, it will always need to be
filtered on every page. Every project will have to have this sticky state -
hiding all other project questions and answers from the end user. It adds a
level of 'required configuration' that doesn't exist in Q&A sites. This
just seems clunky and unnecessary.

I almost feel that this solution needs to take a slightly different
approach.

1. Have http://answers.kde.org/kde/ go to a KDE specific Q&A site. "What is
KDE". "How do I help with translations". Things like that.
http://answers.kde.org could also redirect to here

2. From there, individual projects will need to request their own Q&A site
if they really think they are wanting one. Krita would be (
https://answers.kde.org/krita/ )

With the Krita pilot site, KDE will be able to decide if the WordPress +
plugin is a good standard for any future infrastructure requests. If the
Krita version is successful, I could also help if KDE wants to have a more
general purpose KDE themed version. This KDE version could also be the base
theme for any new projects that are created in the future.

How does this direction sound? Are there technical hurdles with this? What
are the downsides?

Scott


On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Scott Petrovic 
wrote:

> Alright.
>
> Carl - I think once we start adding content to this and use it, we don't
> want to have the possibility of everything being deleted. A lot of people
> are going to be spending time building this up. It would be disheartening
> since this is part of a support system. Links will be pointing to this in
> blogs. We will be referencing it in IRC and forums - in addition to any SEO
> benefits that would be lost in the trial months. We need to get a good long
> term solution in place and then roll with it. I think that will create more
> confidence and drive higher usage as well.
>
> Rick - you seem to have a solution for this. Do you want to take a stab at
> making the fixes? With the direction we were going, we were wanting to have
> the search be filtered by category. Also, it would be nice to have a URL
> that would make the categories sticky. That way when you are on a product,
> it will stay on that project. This will make it easier for a project to
> link to the Q&A site and they know everything will be filtered by their
> project. If interested, you can probably put in a infrastructure support
> ticket to get access (https://sysadmin.kde.org/tickets/).
>
>
> For the styling, we will have to make it KDE styled since it will be for
> all projects. Making the design look like Krita branding would be
> confusing.
> Scott
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Rick.Timmis 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Dragon 32
>>
>> Carl Symons  wrote:
>> On 05/13/2015 06:02 PM, Scott Petrovic wrote:
>> > I started configuring the Q&A site plugin.
>> >
>> > https://answers.kde.org/
>> >
>> > You can search for questions or add your own. One issue I am having with
>> > this plug-in is you cannot filter by category(product) before you ask a
>> > question. All of the different products get lumped together in the same
>> > search. For the questions I made, typing in "transform" will bring up
>> > questions in multiple products. There is no way to tell what product a
>> > question belongs to currently.
>> >
>> > Out of the solutions that I have found, I haven't seen a Q&A site
>> > solution that is designed in the direction we were going (select a
>> > category, then ask a question). Does anyone else have any thoughts?
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>>
>> My first thought is that this is not ready for general KDE Q&A. The plan
>> was to get the wrinkles out with Krita, using this as a pilot (and dev
>> site). People need to know that it is likely that there will be major
>> tweaks, as well as the possibility that all the data may disappear.
>>
>> I agree with you Scott. I would expect to be able to look for questions
>> dealing with Krita and not get other products. It doesn't work like I
>> thought it would.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I think the Ajax type ahead search might be the cause of the problem. I
>> don't think it will work well with lots of data and results. Also it is
>> most likely not honouring the category selected. Can it be turned off ?
>>
>> I really like this as a starting point, clean, simple and the categories
>> are perfect for KDE Applications.
>>
>> Support for wildcard entries would be good too.
>>
>> So far I like it
>>
>> Rick
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Boudewijn Rempt > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > --
>> > Boudewijn Rempt | http://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org
>> >
>> > On Wed, 6 May 2015, Luca Beltrame wrote:
>> >
>> > Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Boudewijn,
>> >
>> > first of all thank

Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Scott Petrovic]

Alright.

Carl - I think once we start adding content to this and use it, we don't
want to have the possibility of everything being deleted. A lot of people
are going to be spending time building this up. It would be disheartening
since this is part of a support system. Links will be pointing to this in
blogs. We will be referencing it in IRC and forums - in addition to any SEO
benefits that would be lost in the trial months. We need to get a good long
term solution in place and then roll with it. I think that will create more
confidence and drive higher usage as well.

Rick - you seem to have a solution for this. Do you want to take a stab at
making the fixes? With the direction we were going, we were wanting to have
the search be filtered by category. Also, it would be nice to have a URL
that would make the categories sticky. That way when you are on a product,
it will stay on that project. This will make it easier for a project to
link to the Q&A site and they know everything will be filtered by their
project. If interested, you can probably put in a infrastructure support
ticket to get access (https://sysadmin.kde.org/tickets/).


For the styling, we will have to make it KDE styled since it will be for
all projects. Making the design look like Krita branding would be
confusing.
Scott




On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Rick.Timmis 
wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Dragon 32
>
> Carl Symons  wrote:
> On 05/13/2015 06:02 PM, Scott Petrovic wrote:
> > I started configuring the Q&A site plugin.
> >
> > https://answers.kde.org/
> >
> > You can search for questions or add your own. One issue I am having with
> > this plug-in is you cannot filter by category(product) before you ask a
> > question. All of the different products get lumped together in the same
> > search. For the questions I made, typing in "transform" will bring up
> > questions in multiple products. There is no way to tell what product a
> > question belongs to currently.
> >
> > Out of the solutions that I have found, I haven't seen a Q&A site
> > solution that is designed in the direction we were going (select a
> > category, then ask a question). Does anyone else have any thoughts?
> >
> > Scott
> >
>
> My first thought is that this is not ready for general KDE Q&A. The plan
> was to get the wrinkles out with Krita, using this as a pilot (and dev
> site). People need to know that it is likely that there will be major
> tweaks, as well as the possibility that all the data may disappear.
>
> I agree with you Scott. I would expect to be able to look for questions
> dealing with Krita and not get other products. It doesn't work like I
> thought it would.
>
> Carl
>
> Hi
>
> I think the Ajax type ahead search might be the cause of the problem. I
> don't think it will work well with lots of data and results. Also it is
> most likely not honouring the category selected. Can it be turned off ?
>
> I really like this as a starting point, clean, simple and the categories
> are perfect for KDE Applications.
>
> Support for wildcard entries would be good too.
>
> So far I like it
>
> Rick
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Boudewijn Rempt  > > wrote:
> >
> > --
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> >
> > On Wed, 6 May 2015, Luca Beltrame wrote:
> >
> > Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
> >
> > Hello Boudewijn,
> >
> > first of all thanks for replying.
> >
> > model. The forum encourages discussion and sharing work,
> > while here we
> > want to have a question per topic, answers, and a kind of
> > game system
> >
> >
> > Do you think that such a way would be better suited for Krita? I
> > ask because at least in the forums I man (not Krita, you guys
> > are too good at it yourselves ;) I see (still occasionally
> > though) other users stepping in and giving advice (this is most
> > evident in the Plasma 5 forum).
> >
> >
> > Well, as I said, it's mostly a different kind of interaction, so
> > what I want is give users what they're expecting: a forum for
> > wide-ranging discussion-type interaction and a q&a site for
> > questions and answers. The one doesn't replace the other.
> >
> >
> > OK, that's not the level of involvement I'd like to see, but
> > it's a start.
> >
> > where answers can be upvoted or downvoted and marked as
> > correct. And then
> > the site must be easily searchable.
> >
> >
> > This last sentence warrants some additional questions: what are
> > issues w/search?
> >
> >
> > It's a matter of how google indexes stuff, I'd say.
> >
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> >
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Rick.Timmis]

Sent from my Dragon 32Carl Symons  wrote:On 05/13/2015 
06:02 PM, Scott Petrovic wrote:
> I started configuring the Q&A site plugin.
>
> https://answers.kde.org/
>
> You can search for questions or add your own. One issue I am having with
> this plug-in is you cannot filter by category(product) before you ask a
> question. All of the different products get lumped together in the same
> search. For the questions I made, typing in "transform" will bring up
> questions in multiple products. There is no way to tell what product a
> question belongs to currently.
>
> Out of the solutions that I have found, I haven't seen a Q&A site
> solution that is designed in the direction we were going (select a
> category, then ask a question). Does anyone else have any thoughts?
>
> Scott
>

My first thought is that this is not ready for general KDE Q&A. The plan 
was to get the wrinkles out with Krita, using this as a pilot (and dev 
site). People need to know that it is likely that there will be major 
tweaks, as well as the possibility that all the data may disappear.

I agree with you Scott. I would expect to be able to look for questions 
dealing with Krita and not get other products. It doesn't work like I 
thought it would.

Carl

Hi 

I think the Ajax type ahead search might be the cause of the problem. I don't 
think it will work well with lots of data and results. Also it is most likely 
not honouring the category selected. Can it be turned off ? 

I really like this as a starting point, clean, simple and the categories are 
perfect for KDE Applications.

Support for wildcard entries would be good too.

So far I like it

Rick
>
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Boudewijn Rempt  > wrote:
>
> --
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>
> On Wed, 6 May 2015, Luca Beltrame wrote:
>
> Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
>
> Hello Boudewijn,
>
> first of all thanks for replying.
>
> model. The forum encourages discussion and sharing work,
> while here we
> want to have a question per topic, answers, and a kind of
> game system
>
>
> Do you think that such a way would be better suited for Krita? I
> ask because at least in the forums I man (not Krita, you guys
> are too good at it yourselves ;) I see (still occasionally
> though) other users stepping in and giving advice (this is most
> evident in the Plasma 5 forum).
>
>
> Well, as I said, it's mostly a different kind of interaction, so
> what I want is give users what they're expecting: a forum for
> wide-ranging discussion-type interaction and a q&a site for
> questions and answers. The one doesn't replace the other.
>
>
> OK, that's not the level of involvement I'd like to see, but
> it's a start.
>
> where answers can be upvoted or downvoted and marked as
> correct. And then
> the site must be easily searchable.
>
>
> This last sentence warrants some additional questions: what are
> issues w/search?
>
>
> It's a matter of how google indexes stuff, I'd say.
>
> Boudewijn
>
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Carl Symons]

On 05/13/2015 06:02 PM, Scott Petrovic wrote:

I started configuring the Q&A site plugin.

https://answers.kde.org/

You can search for questions or add your own. One issue I am having with
this plug-in is you cannot filter by category(product) before you ask a
question. All of the different products get lumped together in the same
search. For the questions I made, typing in "transform" will bring up
questions in multiple products. There is no way to tell what product a
question belongs to currently.

Out of the solutions that I have found, I haven't seen a Q&A site
solution that is designed in the direction we were going (select a
category, then ask a question). Does anyone else have any thoughts?

Scott



My first thought is that this is not ready for general KDE Q&A. The plan 
was to get the wrinkles out with Krita, using this as a pilot (and dev 
site). People need to know that it is likely that there will be major 
tweaks, as well as the possibility that all the data may disappear.


I agree with you Scott. I would expect to be able to look for questions 
dealing with Krita and not get other products. It doesn't work like I 
thought it would.


Carl




On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Boudewijn Rempt mailto:b...@valdyas.org>> wrote:

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On Wed, 6 May 2015, Luca Beltrame wrote:

Boudewijn Rempt wrote:

Hello Boudewijn,

first of all thanks for replying.

model. The forum encourages discussion and sharing work,
while here we
want to have a question per topic, answers, and a kind of
game system


Do you think that such a way would be better suited for Krita? I
ask because at least in the forums I man (not Krita, you guys
are too good at it yourselves ;) I see (still occasionally
though) other users stepping in and giving advice (this is most
evident in the Plasma 5 forum).


Well, as I said, it's mostly a different kind of interaction, so
what I want is give users what they're expecting: a forum for
wide-ranging discussion-type interaction and a q&a site for
questions and answers. The one doesn't replace the other.


OK, that's not the level of involvement I'd like to see, but
it's a start.

where answers can be upvoted or downvoted and marked as
correct. And then
the site must be easily searchable.


This last sentence warrants some additional questions: what are
issues w/search?


It's a matter of how google indexes stuff, I'd say.

Boudewijn


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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Scott Petrovic]

I started configuring the Q&A site plugin.

https://answers.kde.org/

You can search for questions or add your own. One issue I am having with
this plug-in is you cannot filter by category(product) before you ask a
question. All of the different products get lumped together in the same
search. For the questions I made, typing in "transform" will bring up
questions in multiple products. There is no way to tell what product a
question belongs to currently.

Out of the solutions that I have found, I haven't seen a Q&A site solution
that is designed in the direction we were going (select a category, then
ask a question). Does anyone else have any thoughts?

Scott







On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:

> --
> Boudewijn Rempt | http://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org
>
> On Wed, 6 May 2015, Luca Beltrame wrote:
>
>  Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
>>
>> Hello Boudewijn,
>>
>> first of all thanks for replying.
>>
>>  model. The forum encourages discussion and sharing work, while here we
>>> want to have a question per topic, answers, and a kind of game system
>>>
>>
>> Do you think that such a way would be better suited for Krita? I ask
>> because at least in the forums I man (not Krita, you guys are too good at
>> it yourselves ;) I see (still occasionally though) other users stepping in
>> and giving advice (this is most evident in the Plasma 5 forum).
>>
>
> Well, as I said, it's mostly a different kind of interaction, so what I
> want is give users what they're expecting: a forum for wide-ranging
> discussion-type interaction and a q&a site for questions and answers. The
> one doesn't replace the other.
>
>
>> OK, that's not the level of involvement I'd like to see, but it's a start.
>>
>>  where answers can be upvoted or downvoted and marked as correct. And then
>>> the site must be easily searchable.
>>>
>>
>> This last sentence warrants some additional questions: what are issues
>> w/search?
>>
>
> It's a matter of how google indexes stuff, I'd say.
>
> Boudewijn
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

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On Wed, 6 May 2015, Luca Beltrame wrote:


Boudewijn Rempt wrote:

Hello Boudewijn,

first of all thanks for replying.


model. The forum encourages discussion and sharing work, while here we
want to have a question per topic, answers, and a kind of game system


Do you think that such a way would be better suited for Krita? I ask because 
at least in the forums I man (not Krita, you guys are too good at it 
yourselves ;) I see (still occasionally though) other users stepping in and 
giving advice (this is most evident in the Plasma 5 forum).


Well, as I said, it's mostly a different kind of interaction, so what I 
want is give users what they're expecting: a forum for 
wide-ranging discussion-type interaction and a q&a site for questions and 
answers. The one doesn't replace the other.




OK, that's not the level of involvement I'd like to see, but it's a start.


where answers can be upvoted or downvoted and marked as correct. And then
the site must be easily searchable.


This last sentence warrants some additional questions: what are issues 
w/search?


It's a matter of how google indexes stuff, I'd say.

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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Scott Petrovic]

I am not sure if this post is going to get attached to the right thread,
but here goes. In regards to Luca's comment about the difference between
forums and Q&A sites...

Forum - a place for discussion. This could be a question, an idea that
needs to be brainstormed, complaints, gathering feedback, or other forms of
extended discussion. It is open, so there is nothing right or wrong.

Q&A site - focus is only on solving a specific problem. A topic that is not
a question is technically invalid and should be removed or closed. The best
answer is often times voted on.

If you think about why we go online, a percentage of the time is because we
have a problem we would like to have answered. "What is this weird error
message", or "how do I change the wiper blades on my car". All we want is
the best answer the internet has.

I am guessing the efficiency of solving the above use case is why Q&A sites
are so popular these days. While technically forums have the capability of
doing what a Q&A site, they don't have the focus that people are looking
for. That is how I understand the different.

I don't remember the specifics of the original request with how this came
up. Q&A site may or may not be the solution depending on what our end goal
is.

those are my thoughts.


On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Luca Beltrame  wrote:

> Boudewijn Rempt wrote:
>
> Hello Boudewijn,
>
> first of all thanks for replying.
>
> > model. The forum encourages discussion and sharing work, while here we
> > want to have a question per topic, answers, and a kind of game system
>
> Do you think that such a way would be better suited for Krita? I ask
> because
> at least in the forums I man (not Krita, you guys are too good at it
> yourselves ;) I see (still occasionally though) other users stepping in and
> giving advice (this is most evident in the Plasma 5 forum).
>
> OK, that's not the level of involvement I'd like to see, but it's a start.
>
> > where answers can be upvoted or downvoted and marked as correct. And then
> > the site must be easily searchable.
>
> This last sentence warrants some additional questions: what are issues
> w/search?
>
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Luca Beltrame]

Boudewijn Rempt wrote:

Hello Boudewijn,

first of all thanks for replying.

> model. The forum encourages discussion and sharing work, while here we
> want to have a question per topic, answers, and a kind of game system

Do you think that such a way would be better suited for Krita? I ask because 
at least in the forums I man (not Krita, you guys are too good at it 
yourselves ;) I see (still occasionally though) other users stepping in and 
giving advice (this is most evident in the Plasma 5 forum). 

OK, that's not the level of involvement I'd like to see, but it's a start.

> where answers can be upvoted or downvoted and marked as correct. And then
> the site must be easily searchable.

This last sentence warrants some additional questions: what are issues 
w/search?

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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Boudewijn Rempt]

Sorry for breaking threading. When kmail2 ate my mail recently I had to 
move away to pine and make a fresh start. It also means I didn't see this 
mail by Luca.



Krita developers) to give user support. I started this topic because of 
a demand from our userbase for a question-and-answer website where they

would do user-support _themselves_.



Pardon my honest ignorance again (this is not rhetorical, I really am
ignorant on the topic), but in this case why are the forums unsuited?


The forums are awesome, and we make a lot of use of it for Krita, but a 
question-and-answers site like stackexchange has a different interaction 
model. The forum encourages discussion and sharing work, while here we 
want to have a question per topic, answers, and a kind of game system 
where answers can be upvoted or downvoted and marked as correct. And then 
the site must be easily searchable.


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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Ben Cooksley]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Scott Petrovic  wrote:
> I am at a WordPress conference now and am getting some feedback about this
> Q&A platform. They mentioned trying a WordPress plugin called CM-Answers. If
> we use that, that would make it easier since it would still be on the
> WordPress platform.
>
> Maybe I can send a request to create a http://qa.krita.org  subdomain with a
> WordPress install. They also recommended setting up a Multi-Site install.
> That way we could potentially have multiple instances for different
> languages if needed.

The way Wordpress multi site works doesn't work with the way we deploy
web software.
While it is quite convenient from the web interface, it is a nightmare
from a security point of view.

All the sites are mixed in the same database, which means you breach
one site and you own them all.
It also makes it more difficult for a sysadmin to archive and backup
individual sites.

The mixing of core Wordpress and site specific plugins along with
content makes upgrades difficult enough :)
(If they're interested in feedback, they can look at how Drupal does
it and take a leaf out of that book, it wouldn't make deployment more
complicated for simple setups but would make complex setups like ours
much easier to administer).

>
> I am going to request a sub-domain and see what I can do with this plug-in.
> Does anyone have issues with tha?.
>
>
> GIT repo for it
> https://github.com/wp-plugins/cm-answers
>
>
> Scott

Cheers,
Ben

>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 1 Mar 2015, Luca Beltrame wrote:
>>
>>> Dmitry Kazakov wrote:
>>>
 I asked for a kind of "knowledge base", where I (developer) could search
 for popular answers really quickly and copy/paste the link into
 IRC/social
 networks to help people with their (really trivial and common) problems.
>>>
>>>
>>> A question: what does UserBase lack to be properly used as knowledge
>>> base?
>>>
>>
>> It's a wiki, that is a big set of unstructured, unrelated but interlinked
>> pages on a huge set of unrelated topics. Wiki's have got their place, but
>> they aren't suitable for a knowledgebase. In a knowledge base, you need to
>> have a fixed format for every page: question or problem statement, set of
>> answers, ability to mark a particular answer as authoritative. And of
>> course, really good searching.
>>
>> But note that when I started this topic it was _NOT_ about Dmitry's need
>> for a knowledge base that would it make easy for him (or me, or other Krita
>> developers) to give user support. I started this topic because of a demand
>> from our userbase for a question-and-answer website where they would do
>> user-support _themselves_.
>>
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Scott Petrovic]

I am at a WordPress conference now and am getting some feedback about this
Q&A platform. They mentioned trying a WordPress plugin called CM-Answers.
If we use that, that would make it easier since it would still be on the
WordPress platform.

Maybe I can send a request to create a http://qa.krita.org  subdomain with
a WordPress install. They also recommended setting up a Multi-Site install.
That way we could potentially have multiple instances for different
languages if needed.

I am going to request a sub-domain and see what I can do with this plug-in.
Does anyone have issues with tha?.


GIT repo for it
https://github.com/wp-plugins/cm-answers


Scott

On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Mar 2015, Luca Beltrame wrote:
>
>  Dmitry Kazakov wrote:
>>
>>  I asked for a kind of "knowledge base", where I (developer) could search
>>> for popular answers really quickly and copy/paste the link into
>>> IRC/social
>>> networks to help people with their (really trivial and common) problems.
>>>
>>
>> A question: what does UserBase lack to be properly used as knowledge base?
>>
>>
> It's a wiki, that is a big set of unstructured, unrelated but interlinked
> pages on a huge set of unrelated topics. Wiki's have got their place, but
> they aren't suitable for a knowledgebase. In a knowledge base, you need to
> have a fixed format for every page: question or problem statement, set of
> answers, ability to mark a particular answer as authoritative. And of
> course, really good searching.
>
> But note that when I started this topic it was _NOT_ about Dmitry's need
> for a knowledge base that would it make easy for him (or me, or other Krita
> developers) to give user support. I started this topic because of a demand
> from our userbase for a question-and-answer website where they would do
> user-support _themselves_.
>
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Fri, 6 Mar 2015, Rick.Timmis wrote:


Hi Dmitry

Thank you for this email, it makes the context, and reason, clear.

I think a Wiki style solution wojld be best, but care must be taken to manage 
its house keeping.


And that's exactly why a wiki style solution isn't any good. Taking care 
with housekeeping means that the thing will be a mess in no-time.



What would be really cool is an IRC Bot that could then search the Wiki and 
post links back.

Rick Timmis


Sent from my Dragon 32

Dmitry Kazakov  wrote:
Hi!

I'm sorry for jumping in a bit lately. My initial request on IRC, which 
resulted in this stackoverflow discussion was the following:

I asked for a kind of "knowledge base", where I (developer) could search for 
popular answers really quickly and copy/paste the link into IRC/social networks to help 
people with their (really trivial and
common) problems.

The point is there are lots and lots trivial questions which will be being 
asked or raised regularly, so we need to have them somewhere in easy access.

Examples:

1) How to generate a tablet log?
2) How to compile Krita?
3) How to generate a backtrace for Krita crash?

Right now I use launchpad's framework, but it is really-really limited. You 
cannot even add a screenshot :(
Here: https://answers.launchpad.net/krita-ru/+faqs

So I was even though about moving all these answers into wiki, but it seems 
like a special solution like LampCMS might help better in this situation.

The requirements for this system for me:

1) Easy to add a pair Question/Answer (yep, self-dialog)
2) Easy to search for a question, and easy to paste the link to an answer on IRC
3) The ability for users to ask/answer questions is nice, but for me it is 
secondary :)



On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Scott Petrovic  wrote:
  Does anyone have comments on LampCMS?  https://github.com/snytkine/LampCMS

These are why I think it is the best solution for KDE as a platform

1. Open source. We can take the source code and add it to the infrastructure 
(so it is KDE hosted)
2. It has easy access for logging in (facebook, twitter, linkedIn, Google+).
3. While though it doesn't have a large developer base, it seems moderately 
maintained.

For the Krita instance of this, I was planning on re-skinning it after it would 
be hosted, so it should look quite nice and consistent. For the point of view 
about bad answers being written...

Even looking at Krita's documentation on KDE, it is not up to date. In other 
words, there are errors for anyone that tries to download Krita now and seek 
instruction from the 'source'. We have to
realize that as a user base gets larger, it will become impossible for 
developers to answer the amount of questions people have. We have to think of a 
better way to rely on the community to help us
with this aspect. We already ask the non-KDE community to do things like find 
bug fixes, feature requests, an test builds.

Having people help is usually a good idea (I think most of us here are volunteers). 
There will be bad answers on the Q&A platform. There will also be excellent 
answers as well. People expect there to
be bad answers on a QA platform. People expect the voting system to help filter 
out the bad, not eliminate it . 

It is possible that you will get bad answers from doing a google search. Does 
that stop you from using search engines?

those are my thoughts
Scott








On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:26 AM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
  I'm fine with anything that Scott likes :-) I'd really like to experiment 
with this. Who knows, it might be valuable experience for other KDE projects as 
well. So, what's the next step?

  On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Scott Petrovic wrote:

I think Laszlo's suggestion with OSQA looks like a pretty good 
solution. I personally think a slightly better
open source one is Lamp CMS http://support.lampcms.com/
I would personally prefer using Lamp CMS only because it integrates 
directly with other popular platforms like
Google+ and Facebook. This is less friction for people to post 
questions and answers without having to sign up
for yet another account. Not sure if social media integration is 
considered a 'dependency' though.

Scott

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Laszlo Papp  wrote:
      I would personally much prefer integrating this into the KDE
      infrastructure rather than KDE going to Stack Exchange:
      http://www.osqa.net/

      StackExchange is a commercial entity without open source 
accessbility
      to the implementation. Also, you need to comply with what
      StackExchange likes in the end of the day.

      On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Boudewijn Rempt 
 wrote:
      > This is a question that came up on the #krita channel 
today. Our forums are
      > awesome, but not the best place for qu

Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Rick.Timmis]

Hi Dmitry

Thank you for this email, it makes the context, and reason, clear.

I think a Wiki style solution wojld be best, but care must be taken to manage 
its house keeping.
What would be really cool is an IRC Bot that could then search the Wiki and 
post links back.

Rick Timmis


Sent from my Dragon 32Dmitry Kazakov  wrote:Hi!

I'm sorry for jumping in a bit lately. My initial request on IRC, which 
resulted in this stackoverflow discussion was the following:

I asked for a kind of "knowledge base", where I (developer) could search for 
popular answers really quickly and copy/paste the link into IRC/social networks 
to help people with their (really trivial and common) problems.

The point is there are lots and lots trivial questions which will be being 
asked or raised regularly, so we need to have them somewhere in easy access.

Examples:

1) How to generate a tablet log?
2) How to compile Krita?
3) How to generate a backtrace for Krita crash?

Right now I use launchpad's framework, but it is really-really limited. You 
cannot even add a screenshot :(
Here: https://answers.launchpad.net/krita-ru/+faqs

So I was even though about moving all these answers into wiki, but it seems 
like a special solution like LampCMS might help better in this situation.

The requirements for this system for me:

1) Easy to add a pair Question/Answer (yep, self-dialog)
2) Easy to search for a question, and easy to paste the link to an answer on IRC
3) The ability for users to ask/answer questions is nice, but for me it is 
secondary :)



On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Scott Petrovic  wrote:
Does anyone have comments on LampCMS?  https://github.com/snytkine/LampCMS

These are why I think it is the best solution for KDE as a platform

1. Open source. We can take the source code and add it to the infrastructure 
(so it is KDE hosted)
2. It has easy access for logging in (facebook, twitter, linkedIn, Google+).
3. While though it doesn't have a large developer base, it seems moderately 
maintained.

For the Krita instance of this, I was planning on re-skinning it after it would 
be hosted, so it should look quite nice and consistent. For the point of view 
about bad answers being written...

Even looking at Krita's documentation on KDE, it is not up to date. In other 
words, there are errors for anyone that tries to download Krita now and seek 
instruction from the 'source'. We have to realize that as a user base gets 
larger, it will become impossible for developers to answer the amount of 
questions people have. We have to think of a better way to rely on the 
community to help us with this aspect. We already ask the non-KDE community to 
do things like find bug fixes, feature requests, an test builds. 

Having people help is usually a good idea (I think most of us here are 
volunteers). There will be bad answers on the Q&A platform. There will also be 
excellent answers as well. People expect there to be bad answers on a QA 
platform. People expect the voting system to help filter out the bad, not 
eliminate it .  

It is possible that you will get bad answers from doing a google search. Does 
that stop you from using search engines?

those are my thoughts
Scott








On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:26 AM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
I'm fine with anything that Scott likes :-) I'd really like to experiment with 
this. Who knows, it might be valuable experience for other KDE projects as 
well. So, what's the next step?


On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Scott Petrovic wrote:

I think Laszlo's suggestion with OSQA looks like a pretty good solution. I 
personally think a slightly better
open source one is Lamp CMS http://support.lampcms.com/
I would personally prefer using Lamp CMS only because it integrates directly 
with other popular platforms like
Google+ and Facebook. This is less friction for people to post questions and 
answers without having to sign up
for yet another account. Not sure if social media integration is considered a 
'dependency' though.

Scott

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Laszlo Papp  wrote:
      I would personally much prefer integrating this into the KDE
      infrastructure rather than KDE going to Stack Exchange:
      http://www.osqa.net/

      StackExchange is a commercial entity without open source accessbility
      to the implementation. Also, you need to comply with what
      StackExchange likes in the end of the day.

      On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
      > This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums 
are
      > awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of 
exchanges.
      > We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!
      >
      > One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like
      > http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's 
outside of
      > KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!
      >
      > So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a
      > krita.st

Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Dmitry Kazakov]

Hi!

I'm sorry for jumping in a bit lately. My initial request on IRC, which
resulted in this stackoverflow discussion was the following:

I asked for a kind of "knowledge base", where I (developer) could search
for popular answers really quickly and copy/paste the link into IRC/social
networks to help people with their (really trivial and common) problems.

The point is there are lots and lots trivial questions which will be being
asked or raised regularly, so we need to have them somewhere in easy access.

Examples:

1) How to generate a tablet log?
2) How to compile Krita?
3) How to generate a backtrace for Krita crash?

Right now I use launchpad's framework, but it is really-really limited. You
cannot even add a screenshot :(
Here: https://answers.launchpad.net/krita-ru/+faqs

So I was even though about moving all these answers into wiki, but it seems
like a special solution like LampCMS might help better in this situation.

The requirements for this system for me:

1) Easy to add a pair Question/Answer (yep, self-dialog)
2) Easy to search for a question, and easy to paste the link to an answer
on IRC
3) The ability for users to ask/answer questions is nice, but for me it is
secondary :)



On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Scott Petrovic 
wrote:

> Does anyone have comments on LampCMS?  https://github.com/snytkine/LampCMS
>
> These are why I think it is the best solution for KDE as a platform
>
> 1. Open source. We can take the source code and add it to the
> infrastructure (so it is KDE hosted)
> 2. It has easy access for logging in (facebook, twitter, linkedIn,
> Google+).
> 3. While though it doesn't have a large developer base, it seems
> moderately maintained.
>
> For the Krita instance of this, I was planning on re-skinning it after it
> would be hosted, so it should look quite nice and consistent. For the point
> of view about bad answers being written...
>
> Even looking at Krita's documentation on KDE, it is not up to date. In
> other words, there are errors for anyone that tries to download Krita now
> and seek instruction from the 'source'. We have to realize that as a user
> base gets larger, it will become impossible for developers to answer the
> amount of questions people have. We have to think of a better way to rely
> on the community to help us with this aspect. We already ask the non-KDE
> community to do things like find bug fixes, feature requests, an test
> builds.
>
> Having people help is usually a good idea (I think most of us here are
> volunteers). There will be bad answers on the Q&A platform. There will also
> be excellent answers as well. People expect there to be bad answers on a QA
> platform. People expect the voting system to help filter out the bad, not
> eliminate it .
>
> It is possible that you will get bad answers from doing a google search.
> Does that stop you from using search engines?
>
> those are my thoughts
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:26 AM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
>
>> I'm fine with anything that Scott likes :-) I'd really like to experiment
>> with this. Who knows, it might be valuable experience for other KDE
>> projects as well. So, what's the next step?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Scott Petrovic wrote:
>>
>>  I think Laszlo's suggestion with OSQA looks like a pretty good solution.
>>> I personally think a slightly better
>>> open source one is Lamp CMS http://support.lampcms.com/
>>> I would personally prefer using Lamp CMS only because it integrates
>>> directly with other popular platforms like
>>> Google+ and Facebook. This is less friction for people to post questions
>>> and answers without having to sign up
>>> for yet another account. Not sure if social media integration is
>>> considered a 'dependency' though.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Laszlo Papp  wrote:
>>>   I would personally much prefer integrating this into the KDE
>>>   infrastructure rather than KDE going to Stack Exchange:
>>>   http://www.osqa.net/
>>>
>>>   StackExchange is a commercial entity without open source
>>> accessbility
>>>   to the implementation. Also, you need to comply with what
>>>   StackExchange likes in the end of the day.
>>>
>>>   On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Boudewijn Rempt 
>>> wrote:
>>>   > This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our
>>> forums are
>>>   > awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of
>>> exchanges.
>>>   > We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!
>>>   >
>>>   > One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like
>>>   > http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra
>>> that's outside of
>>>   > KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!
>>>   >
>>>   > So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a
>>>   > krita.stackexchange.com be against the manifesto? And if so, is
>>> there any
>>>   > equivalent (in terms of user-friendliness, g

Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Luca Beltrame]

Boudewijn Rempt wrote:

> Krita developers) to give user support. I started this topic because of a
> demand from our userbase for a question-and-answer website where they
> would do user-support _themselves_.

Pardon my honest ignorance again (this is not rhetorical, I really am 
ignorant on the topic), but in this case why are the forums unsuited?

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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Sun, 1 Mar 2015, Luca Beltrame wrote:


Dmitry Kazakov wrote:


I asked for a kind of "knowledge base", where I (developer) could search
for popular answers really quickly and copy/paste the link into IRC/social
networks to help people with their (really trivial and common) problems.


A question: what does UserBase lack to be properly used as knowledge base?



It's a wiki, that is a big set of unstructured, unrelated but interlinked 
pages on a huge set of unrelated topics. Wiki's have got their place, but 
they aren't suitable for a knowledgebase. In a knowledge base, you need to 
have a fixed format for every page: question or problem statement, set of 
answers, ability to mark a particular answer as authoritative. And of 
course, really good searching.


But note that when I started this topic it was _NOT_ about Dmitry's need 
for a knowledge base that would it make easy for him (or me, or other 
Krita developers) to give user support. I started this topic because of a 
demand from our userbase for a question-and-answer website where they 
would do user-support _themselves_.


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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Luca Beltrame]

Dmitry Kazakov wrote:

> I asked for a kind of "knowledge base", where I (developer) could search
> for popular answers really quickly and copy/paste the link into IRC/social
> networks to help people with their (really trivial and common) problems.

A question: what does UserBase lack to be properly used as knowledge base?

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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Rick.Timmis]

I would favour extend and improve KDE infrastructure.

Rick




Sent from my Dragon 32Scott Petrovic  wrote:I think 
Laszlo's suggestion with OSQA looks like a pretty good solution. I personally 
think a slightly better open source one is Lamp CMS http://support.lampcms.com/

I would personally prefer using Lamp CMS only because it integrates directly 
with other popular platforms like Google+ and Facebook. This is less friction 
for people to post questions and answers without having to sign up for yet 
another account. Not sure if social media integration is considered a 
'dependency' though.

Scott

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Laszlo Papp  wrote:
I would personally much prefer integrating this into the KDE
infrastructure rather than KDE going to Stack Exchange:
http://www.osqa.net/

StackExchange is a commercial entity without open source accessbility
to the implementation. Also, you need to comply with what
StackExchange likes in the end of the day.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
> This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums are
> awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of exchanges.
> We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!
>
> One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like
> http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's outside of
> KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!
>
> So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a
> krita.stackexchange.com be against the manifesto? And if so, is there any
> equivalent (in terms of user-friendliness, googleability and
> recognizability) that we can use withing KDE's infra structure?
>
> For all clarity; this isn't a wiki, and it isn't a forum. It works in a very
> different way.
>
> Boudewijn
>
> (Willing to experiment so fewer people wonder where their layers have gone.
> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150224214426AAbFtKj)
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Carl Symons]

On 02/27/2015 03:02 AM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Laszlo Papp wrote:


I doubt that this assertion in the Qt and especially the KDE community
to be honest.


You're missing one very big and important point: this isn't about the Qt
and the KDE community. This is about the Krita user community, which a
totally different group of people.

Boudewijn


Yes, it's about the Krita user community. And it could also apply for 
users of other KDE technology. But to your point...it's about users.


I am primarily a KDE technology user. Being somewhat not-technical, I 
often have questions that this kind of capability would serve well. On 
top of that, I am one of the local "KDE Experts", dealing with users who 
have even less technical savvy. It would be wonderful to have a place 
for these people's questions.


Both osqa.net/ and lampcms.com/ would work for the users I know about. 
I'm slightly in favor of lampCMS rather than the freemium 
OSQA/AnswerHub. Depends if the paid version has features we need and 
can't get otherwise.


Boud asks, "What's the next step?". Two viable candidates have been 
proposed. It should be a simple matter for some smart, committed people 
to decide. And there should be input from the KDE SysAdmin team as they 
would implement on the KDE infrastructure.


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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Dweeble]

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 06:21:54 -0500, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:


On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Laszlo Papp wrote:


On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Laszlo Papp wrote:


I doubt that this assertion in the Qt and especially the KDE community
to be honest.



You're missing one very big and important point: this isn't about the Qt and
the KDE community. This is about the Krita user community, which a totally
different group of people.


I think Krita belongs to KDE.

As for the stats, I think it would be even worse Krita contributors on
Stack Exchange to be honest. I have never seen a Krita question in the
"kde" area.



You're still totally and utterly and completely missing the point. A
question and answer website is NOT for Krita contributors. It is for Krita
USERS.


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Quick question - is the voting aspect of a Stack Exchange like facility 
important?

2nd question (in the form of a statement) - Krita in not like other apps 
because it is of art and and there are no absolutes once the app is engaged 
thus proper app usage support for the Krita user community is unique and would 
best be be provided differently then the current methods?
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Laszlo Papp wrote:


I have just had a quick look again. It is not only that there is no
krita tag on e.g. stackoverflow, but also, there is no calligra tag
either. This kind of shows its presence in there.


Once again, you're completely missing the point. The point is about 
creating a krita.stackexchange.com similar to 
http://blender.stackexchange.com/. Not whether it's where people go to ask 
questions now.


Boudewijn

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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Laszlo Papp wrote:


On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Laszlo Papp wrote:


I doubt that this assertion in the Qt and especially the KDE community
to be honest.



You're missing one very big and important point: this isn't about the Qt and
the KDE community. This is about the Krita user community, which a totally
different group of people.


I think Krita belongs to KDE.

As for the stats, I think it would be even worse Krita contributors on
Stack Exchange to be honest. I have never seen a Krita question in the
"kde" area.



You're still totally and utterly and completely missing the point. A 
question and answer website is NOT for Krita contributors. It is for Krita 
USERS.



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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Laszlo Papp]

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Laszlo Papp  wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Laszlo Papp wrote:
>>
>>> I doubt that this assertion in the Qt and especially the KDE community
>>> to be honest.
>>
>>
>> You're missing one very big and important point: this isn't about the Qt and
>> the KDE community. This is about the Krita user community, which a totally
>> different group of people.
>
> I think Krita belongs to KDE.

To extend a bit on that, to me it does not seem to be what Calligra
and Krita are and where exactly they reside.

> As for the stats, I think it would be even worse Krita contributors on
> Stack Exchange to be honest. I have never seen a Krita question in the
> "kde" area.

I have just had a quick look again. It is not only that there is no
krita tag on e.g. stackoverflow, but also, there is no calligra tag
either. This kind of shows its presence in there.

I had to dig a bit more to find one calligra or koffice related
question, but the answer is totally unacceptable for the quality
standards of a Q/A site. Yet, it has been there, even accepted and it
gave no real solution for the OP, just sent away. This is a prime
example of low-quality posts on Stack Exchange:

http://stackoverflow.com/a/10336751

>
>>
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Laszlo Papp]

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Laszlo Papp wrote:
>
>> I doubt that this assertion in the Qt and especially the KDE community
>> to be honest.
>
>
> You're missing one very big and important point: this isn't about the Qt and
> the KDE community. This is about the Krita user community, which a totally
> different group of people.

I think Krita belongs to KDE.

As for the stats, I think it would be even worse Krita contributors on
Stack Exchange to be honest. I have never seen a Krita question in the
"kde" area.

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> Boudewijn
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Laszlo Papp wrote:


I doubt that this assertion in the Qt and especially the KDE community
to be honest.


You're missing one very big and important point: this isn't about the Qt 
and the KDE community. This is about the Krita user community, which a 
totally different group of people.


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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Boudewijn Rempt]

I'm fine with anything that Scott likes :-) I'd really like to experiment 
with this. Who knows, it might be valuable experience for other KDE 
projects as well. So, what's the next step?


On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Scott Petrovic wrote:


I think Laszlo's suggestion with OSQA looks like a pretty good solution. I 
personally think a slightly better
open source one is Lamp CMS http://support.lampcms.com/
I would personally prefer using Lamp CMS only because it integrates directly 
with other popular platforms like
Google+ and Facebook. This is less friction for people to post questions and 
answers without having to sign up
for yet another account. Not sure if social media integration is considered a 
'dependency' though.

Scott

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Laszlo Papp  wrote:
  I would personally much prefer integrating this into the KDE
  infrastructure rather than KDE going to Stack Exchange:
  http://www.osqa.net/

  StackExchange is a commercial entity without open source accessbility
  to the implementation. Also, you need to comply with what
  StackExchange likes in the end of the day.

  On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
  > This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums 
are
  > awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of 
exchanges.
  > We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!
  >
  > One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like
  > http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's 
outside of
  > KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!
  >
  > So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a
  > krita.stackexchange.com be against the manifesto? And if so, is there 
any
  > equivalent (in terms of user-friendliness, googleability and
  > recognizability) that we can use withing KDE's infra structure?
  >
  > For all clarity; this isn't a wiki, and it isn't a forum. It works in a 
very
  > different way.
  >
  > Boudewijn
  >
  > (Willing to experiment so fewer people wonder where their layers have 
gone.
  > https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150224214426AAbFtKj)
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Jaroslaw Staniek]

On 27 February 2015 at 01:39, Albert Astals Cid  wrote:
> El Dijous, 26 de febrer de 2015, a les 11:56:15, Jaroslaw Staniek va escriure:
>> On 26 February 2015 at 10:56, jQM Consultant 
>> wrote:
>>
>> [..]
>>
>> > Having a micro-community inside a macro-community will have a negative
>> > impact on the micro-community.
>> > You won't have your own rules nor will you have your own personality (as a
>> > community).
>>
>> While we're looking for optimized forum/Q&A experience for
>> sub-communities, this reminds me similar question: Krita (or Kexi, for
>> the record) forum(s) dive in the large KDE forums family. It's easy to
>> get lost. Do you think the above note, usability-wise, also applies to
>> forum.kde.org?
>>
>> Would own forum instances, still managed by KDE admins, be better?
>>
>> More controversial note is also: it's not necessarily natural for
>> majority of their non-contributing users (Krita, Kexi) being outside
>> of the KDE Plasma orbit, to visit and contribute to "KDE [community]
>> forums".  In best case they may see themselves rather as a part of a
>> standalone application's community. Just like Angry Birds fans do not
>> call themselves iOS/Android community.
>
> Are you saying Kexi users are not smart enough to differentiate subforums in a
> bigger forum?
>
> Do they get confused because the kexi forum is part of a bigger thing?
>
> Honestly I'd say the IQ needed to use Kexi is bigger that the IQ needed to
> understand subforums inside a bigger forum.

I completely disagree.

Don't make them think :) [tm]

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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Albert Astals Cid]

El Dijous, 26 de febrer de 2015, a les 11:56:15, Jaroslaw Staniek va escriure:
> On 26 February 2015 at 10:56, jQM Consultant 
> wrote:
> 
> [..]
> 
> > Having a micro-community inside a macro-community will have a negative
> > impact on the micro-community.
> > You won't have your own rules nor will you have your own personality (as a
> > community).
> 
> While we're looking for optimized forum/Q&A experience for
> sub-communities, this reminds me similar question: Krita (or Kexi, for
> the record) forum(s) dive in the large KDE forums family. It's easy to
> get lost. Do you think the above note, usability-wise, also applies to
> forum.kde.org?
> 
> Would own forum instances, still managed by KDE admins, be better?
> 
> More controversial note is also: it's not necessarily natural for
> majority of their non-contributing users (Krita, Kexi) being outside
> of the KDE Plasma orbit, to visit and contribute to "KDE [community]
> forums".  In best case they may see themselves rather as a part of a
> standalone application's community. Just like Angry Birds fans do not
> call themselves iOS/Android community.

Are you saying Kexi users are not smart enough to differentiate subforums in a 
bigger forum?

Do they get confused because the kexi forum is part of a bigger thing?

Honestly I'd say the IQ needed to use Kexi is bigger that the IQ needed to 
understand subforums inside a bigger forum.

Cheers,
  Albert

> 
> (just 2c)

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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Laszlo Papp]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Dweeble  wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 08:19:39 -0500, Laszlo Papp  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Dweeble  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 06:36:48 -0500, Laszlo Papp  wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Martin Klapetek
  wrote:
>
>
> Anyone btw. knows how the Ubuntu instance at askubuntu.com fits in?



 It is part of the Stack Exchange system. You can easily check it by
 going to a Stack Exchange account that has subaccounts on multiple
 sites including AU. The "subdomains" are listed at the top of left an
 account. Furthermore, the Stack Exchange logo is even in the "banner"
 on the top left of the cover page for AU.

> I wonder if it is hosted by Canonical or just by SE Inc. and running
> on its own domain...and if Ubuntu people got more power in the
> moderation
> and stuff.



 Well, surely, they are slightly more empowered on a separate site, but
 in the end of the day, as Omar also wrote, the big boss is Stack
 Exchange. I want KDE to be the big boss for a KDE project. I really do
 not want to compromise that.

>
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>>>
>>>
>>> I don't see where this is so much better than what exists - to me it
>>> looks
>>> like a forum without sub-forums, where (at least on the LO and Ubuntu
>>> sites)
>>> not that many people vote and "answers" are basically posts.
>>
>>
>> Sorry, but this is simply not true. You can say that questions and
>> answers, with comments left around, look like forum, but that is not
>> the intended goal of these Q/A sites. I personally do not like the end
>> resulf of the forums. There is a lot of messy noise left around for
>> the posterity. It is a bit challenging to go through all the posts and
>> grab the important bits. It is possible, but it is not ideal.
>>
>> Now, coming back to your observation, if that is what you observed on
>> SE, that is sad. I have seen it many times myself, too, though that
>> noisy comments are left around, which were useful for the time, but
>> not after submitting the "final" answer.
>>
>> On the contrary, forum is more like a different form of mailing list
>> or IRC for me, where the discussion can be publicly pinned down. But
>> that is quite different from only concentrating on the "end result".
>>
>>> And
>>> surprisingly considering the size of the Ubuntu community there aren't as
>>> many answers as I would have expected.
>>
>>
>> Fair enough and that is not just the AU community. It is an overall
>> issue for many technology areas on SE.
>>
>>> I would think making the existing facilities better would be more
>>> cost/labor
>>> efficient and imo and what would be a worthy  goal in supporting the
>>> community would be is to provide responses to all questions asked on the
>>> Forum, if one looks at the number of unanswered questions that number
>>> should
>>> not be considered acceptable.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I agree.
>>
>> There is also the thing that the LaTeX Stack Exchange and
>> latex-community.org experts say: you cannot answer every questions
>> either if many questions are very low quality.
>>
>> Stack Exchange is a commercial entity with closed source software
>> (although "open" database to be fair) and their own business model. I
>> do not think it is inline with KDE's vision, but the KDE community may
>> disagree with me, for sure.
>>
>> Either way, Stack Exchange has been known among many experts that it
>> would mostly concentrate on quantity to sell to their customers. They
>> can show all the fancy stats to their customers that "we have now X
>> million questions, etc". This is one of their policy decisions which,
>> while I respect, I do not agree with.
>>
>> Let me please get back a bit to the "First Google results are Stack
>> Exchange results, beating even the official documentations, so it must
>> be really cool".
>>
>> To make my opinion clear and explicit, I think it is disadvantageous
>> that Stack Exchange is indexed that well on Google. It is leading
>> towards the "vendor lock-in" mode for the Q/A world and if someone
>> tries to get out of that, that person would be always told off by this
>> argument. In fact, I would honestly suggest Google to find a better
>> algorithm to avoid this situation, but I understand it may not be in
>> Google's best interest.
>>
>> Also, it is quite inconvenient to find Stack Exchange results at times
>> on the top if they are not good enough and e.g. the official
>> documentation is good enough. In those cases, it 

Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Laszlo Papp]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:49 AM, Paul Geraskin  wrote:
> I use blender.stackexchange a lot. This is the best resource. Google and
> github are commercial organisations too butt all people use them.

That is not fair.

1) Github: Many people do not use github, especially for KDE purposes.
KDE has its own git infrastructure, eventually. At least it used to
have...

2) As for gmail, many, including, but not limited to, KDE, people do
not use it. But that is not even the point that is being debated in
here! The point is having an alternative or several of them in this
special case as some people have already rightfully expressed that. It
is not like that you cannot choose in this case.

> Also, most people have stackexchange account. It means more answers will be.

I doubt that this assertion in the Qt and especially the KDE community
to be honest. I had made some stats 1-2 years ago and the amount of
KDE contributors on Stack Exchange was very low unless they mostly
chose unrecognizable nick names.

> I have my own collection of questions in my Stackexchange account. When i 
> need them i can easily find them.
Also the same service works for Math, Python, Java which i use too.
This is very very big and great project.

I really do not get your point. We are talking about KDE and Stack
Exchange in here. KDE has its own identity. I bet it is much more
important for KDE contributors to have this identity for KDE
activities rather than having a global account for all sort of
activities thay may include a KDE part somewhere.

What you are saying is understandable in a global context, but here I
thought we would be discussing KDEi

> This is good too.
> I vote for stackexchange.
>
> 26.02.2015 0:58 пользователь "Lukast dev"  написал:
>
>> Fedora is using something similar to stackexchange format:
>> https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/questions/
>>
>> It is powered by https://askbot.com/ but that one seems commercial
>> https://askbot.com/plans/
>>
>> 2015-02-25 17:09 GMT+01:00 Boudewijn Rempt :
>> > This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums
>> > are
>> > awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of
>> > exchanges.
>> > We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!
>> >
>> > One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like
>> > http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's outside
>> > of
>> > KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!
>> >
>> > So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a
>> > krita.stackexchange.com be against the manifesto? And if so, is there
>> > any
>> > equivalent (in terms of user-friendliness, googleability and
>> > recognizability) that we can use withing KDE's infra structure?
>> >
>> > For all clarity; this isn't a wiki, and it isn't a forum. It works in a
>> > very
>> > different way.
>> >
>> > Boudewijn
>> >
>> > (Willing to experiment so fewer people wonder where their layers have
>> > gone.
>> > https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150224214426AAbFtKj)
>> > ___
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>> > kimages...@kde.org
>> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kimageshop
>> ___
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Árpád Goretity]

Let me add my $0.01 to this topic, just for the sake of diversity.

Formerly, I've been a long-time contributor on Stack Overflow (I was going
by the name H2CO3); I've used it for about three and a half years. When I
first encountered the site, I was impressed about the amount of good
scientific discussion happening there. I've learnt a lot from the questions
others asked and the answers a lot of deeply passionate and very
knowledgeable programmers have contributed.

I haven't asked a lot of questions myself (since Stack Overflow was already
a well-established site by the time I've got to know it); however, as I've
developed my own programming skills, I gradually answered more and more
questions, primarily in the C, Objective-C, iOS (formerly iPhone), C++ tags
and occasionally elsewhere. During the years, I've reached the magic 100
000 reputation points, but my appetite for answering questions and
contributing to the community has begun to decrease quickly.

And that certainly had a well-defined reason behind it. I've noticed over
the course of the years that the majority of users and questions in my
preferred topics has become extremely, utterly *lazy.* Just that: plain,
old lazy. A lot of users seemingly didn't make the slightest effort to do
any sort of basic research before asking their questions, and often, they
also lacked fundamental knowledge about the languages they were using. I
remember being a beginner programmer and making the stupidest mistakes
possible, and I remember the amount of struggling it took me to google all
the answers to all my easy problems. It wasn't easy, but it wasn't that
hard (let alone impossible) either, it just took a bit of effort and
persistence.

However, during the time I've spent on Stack Overflow, I've seen that the
majority of users weren't even willing to follow this approach. For
instance, when they encountered a common compiler error, the first thing
they did was to run to SO and ask a badly-formulated, hard-to-comprehend,
grammatically screwed-up duplicate question – more ofthen than not, an N-th
order duplicate, actually… there were identical questions asked literally
more than a hundred times. Honestly, I don't even understand this attitude
– it would have taken less time to google the error message than ask a
question and wait for others to answer it.

Then there were the annoying college students who were too lazy to
participate in a course and/or to do their own homework, and then they
asked the community to explain in detail what, for example, a basic data
structure or a certain syntactic construct was. That's explicitly against
There have been endless requests to do one's homework as well. (Isn't that
just plain unashamed? asking a whole site to do your homework? simply
unbelievable…)

But this wasn't the worst problem of Stack Overflow. The two worst problems
were (and still are, from what I can tell) 1. moderators', community
managers' and other managerial staff's attitude towards the aforementioned
problems, and 2. the fact that personalities, non-professional arguing and
generally all sorts of evil machination has gradually overtaken
professional debate. The amount of "revenge" serial downvoting of good
answers and questions was continuously increasing; heated arguments were
frequent; and all this usually ended by a moderator intervening, but
supporting the wrong side. Instead of taking action against those who asked
off-topic/lazy/spammy/repeated questions by closing and/or deleting the
questions or banning these harmful users, they warned (often in a very
personal, ashaming tone) the more experienced, professional users who spoke
up against the allowance of such low-quality questions. There has been not
a single case whereby such an experienced, trusted user has been downright
*banned* from Stack Overflow. The usual (often ambiguous and non-helpful)
reasoning always went along the lines of "you have to be nice to
beginners". Which in itself is true, but completely misses the point.

This ultimately drove me into abandoning all contribution to Stack Overflow
and requesting the deletion of my account. It's some unfortunate and
seriously bad experience, but I just couldn't stand the amount of injustice
which was happening against the top contributors of the site. The worst
thing, in my opinion, is that the site staff were doing it deliberately. It
wasn't even an honest mistake.

So, that's about it – this is my story with regards to Stack Overflow. To
sum up, I can't really recommend it for anyone who is willing to live a
successful professional life, since instead of a place for "professional
and enthusiast programmers" (as its sub-title claims), it has become a
collection of endlessly-repeated questions and lazy wannabes, backed and
supported by the managers of the network.

Whether this is the situation on other sites in the Stack Exchange network
– I don't know, and in all honesty, I couldn't care less, at least not
anymore. I suspect that other s

Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Paul Geraskin]

I use blender.stackexchange a lot. This is the best resource. Google and
github are commercial organisations too butt all people use them.
Also, most people have stackexchange account. It means more answers will
be. This is good too.
I vote for stackexchange.
26.02.2015 0:58 пользователь "Lukast dev"  написал:

> Fedora is using something similar to stackexchange format:
> https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/questions/
>
> It is powered by https://askbot.com/ but that one seems commercial
> https://askbot.com/plans/
>
> 2015-02-25 17:09 GMT+01:00 Boudewijn Rempt :
> > This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums
> are
> > awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of
> exchanges.
> > We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!
> >
> > One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like
> > http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's
> outside of
> > KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!
> >
> > So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a
> > krita.stackexchange.com be against the manifesto? And if so, is there
> any
> > equivalent (in terms of user-friendliness, googleability and
> > recognizability) that we can use withing KDE's infra structure?
> >
> > For all clarity; this isn't a wiki, and it isn't a forum. It works in a
> very
> > different way.
> >
> > Boudewijn
> >
> > (Willing to experiment so fewer people wonder where their layers have
> gone.
> > https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150224214426AAbFtKj)
> > ___
> > Krita mailing list
> > kimages...@kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kimageshop
> ___
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> kimages...@kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kimageshop
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Scott Petrovic]

I think Laszlo's suggestion with OSQA looks like a pretty good solution. I
personally think a slightly better open source one is Lamp CMS
http://support.lampcms.com/

I would personally prefer using Lamp CMS only because it integrates
directly with other popular platforms like Google+ and Facebook. This is
less friction for people to post questions and answers without having to
sign up for yet another account. Not sure if social media integration is
considered a 'dependency' though.

Scott

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Laszlo Papp  wrote:

> I would personally much prefer integrating this into the KDE
> infrastructure rather than KDE going to Stack Exchange:
> http://www.osqa.net/
>
> StackExchange is a commercial entity without open source accessbility
> to the implementation. Also, you need to comply with what
> StackExchange likes in the end of the day.
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
> > This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums
> are
> > awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of
> exchanges.
> > We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!
> >
> > One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like
> > http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's
> outside of
> > KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!
> >
> > So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a
> > krita.stackexchange.com be against the manifesto? And if so, is there
> any
> > equivalent (in terms of user-friendliness, googleability and
> > recognizability) that we can use withing KDE's infra structure?
> >
> > For all clarity; this isn't a wiki, and it isn't a forum. It works in a
> very
> > different way.
> >
> > Boudewijn
> >
> > (Willing to experiment so fewer people wonder where their layers have
> gone.
> > https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150224214426AAbFtKj)
> > ___
> > kde-community mailing list
> > kde-community@kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
> ___
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> kimages...@kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kimageshop
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Lukast dev]

Fedora is using something similar to stackexchange format:
https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/questions/

It is powered by https://askbot.com/ but that one seems commercial
https://askbot.com/plans/

2015-02-25 17:09 GMT+01:00 Boudewijn Rempt :
> This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums are
> awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of exchanges.
> We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!
>
> One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like
> http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's outside of
> KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!
>
> So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a
> krita.stackexchange.com be against the manifesto? And if so, is there any
> equivalent (in terms of user-friendliness, googleability and
> recognizability) that we can use withing KDE's infra structure?
>
> For all clarity; this isn't a wiki, and it isn't a forum. It works in a very
> different way.
>
> Boudewijn
>
> (Willing to experiment so fewer people wonder where their layers have gone.
> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150224214426AAbFtKj)
> ___
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> kimages...@kde.org
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Paul Geraskin]

I have my own collection of questions in my Stackexchange account. When i
need them i can easily find them.
Also the same service works for Math, Python, Java which i use too. This is
very very big and great project.

This project also has http://stackoverflow.com/ service which is merged to
Stackexchange.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Albert Astals Cid  wrote:

> El Dimecres, 25 de febrer de 2015, a les 17:09:09, Boudewijn Rempt va
> escriure:
> > This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums
> > are awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of
> > exchanges. We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!
> >
> > One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like
> > http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's outside
> > of KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!
>
> What's important of StackExchange, the non-wiki, non-forum type of software
> they have or the users they have?
>
> I.e. we're on twitter because of the users they have, having
> twitter-like software on kde.org wouldn't work.
>
> Cheers,
>   Albert
>
> >
> > So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a
> > krita.stackexchange.com be against the manifesto? And if so, is there
> any
> > equivalent (in terms of user-friendliness, googleability and
> > recognizability) that we can use withing KDE's infra structure?
> >
> > For all clarity; this isn't a wiki, and it isn't a forum. It works in a
> > very different way.
> >
> > Boudewijn
> >
> > (Willing to experiment so fewer people wonder where their layers have
> > gone. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150224214426AAbFtKj
> )
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> > kde-community@kde.org
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Luca Beltrame]

Jaroslaw Staniek wrote:


> https://forum.kde.org/kexi when I type TABLE I get results for Amarok,
> KMail, Okular, even VDG. Maybe 3 for Kexi.
> Isn't that an idea for GSoC or whatever action?

Help is welcome. Among the people actively manning the forum (myself 
included), there is no one with the technical knowledge *and* the free time 
needed to fix things.

I thought about GSoC, but I won't have time for mentoring.

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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Dweeble]

On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 08:19:39 -0500, Laszlo Papp  wrote:


On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Dweeble  wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 06:36:48 -0500, Laszlo Papp  wrote:


On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Martin Klapetek
 wrote:


Anyone btw. knows how the Ubuntu instance at askubuntu.com fits in?



It is part of the Stack Exchange system. You can easily check it by
going to a Stack Exchange account that has subaccounts on multiple
sites including AU. The "subdomains" are listed at the top of left an
account. Furthermore, the Stack Exchange logo is even in the "banner"
on the top left of the cover page for AU.


I wonder if it is hosted by Canonical or just by SE Inc. and running
on its own domain...and if Ubuntu people got more power in the moderation
and stuff.



Well, surely, they are slightly more empowered on a separate site, but
in the end of the day, as Omar also wrote, the big boss is Stack
Exchange. I want KDE to be the big boss for a KDE project. I really do
not want to compromise that.



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I don't see where this is so much better than what exists - to me it looks
like a forum without sub-forums, where (at least on the LO and Ubuntu sites)
not that many people vote and "answers" are basically posts.


Sorry, but this is simply not true. You can say that questions and
answers, with comments left around, look like forum, but that is not
the intended goal of these Q/A sites. I personally do not like the end
resulf of the forums. There is a lot of messy noise left around for
the posterity. It is a bit challenging to go through all the posts and
grab the important bits. It is possible, but it is not ideal.

Now, coming back to your observation, if that is what you observed on
SE, that is sad. I have seen it many times myself, too, though that
noisy comments are left around, which were useful for the time, but
not after submitting the "final" answer.

On the contrary, forum is more like a different form of mailing list
or IRC for me, where the discussion can be publicly pinned down. But
that is quite different from only concentrating on the "end result".


And
surprisingly considering the size of the Ubuntu community there aren't as
many answers as I would have expected.


Fair enough and that is not just the AU community. It is an overall
issue for many technology areas on SE.


I would think making the existing facilities better would be more cost/labor
efficient and imo and what would be a worthy  goal in supporting the
community would be is to provide responses to all questions asked on the
Forum, if one looks at the number of unanswered questions that number should
not be considered acceptable.


Yes, I agree.

There is also the thing that the LaTeX Stack Exchange and
latex-community.org experts say: you cannot answer every questions
either if many questions are very low quality.

Stack Exchange is a commercial entity with closed source software
(although "open" database to be fair) and their own business model. I
do not think it is inline with KDE's vision, but the KDE community may
disagree with me, for sure.

Either way, Stack Exchange has been known among many experts that it
would mostly concentrate on quantity to sell to their customers. They
can show all the fancy stats to their customers that "we have now X
million questions, etc". This is one of their policy decisions which,
while I respect, I do not agree with.

Let me please get back a bit to the "First Google results are Stack
Exchange results, beating even the official documentations, so it must
be really cool".

To make my opinion clear and explicit, I think it is disadvantageous
that Stack Exchange is indexed that well on Google. It is leading
towards the "vendor lock-in" mode for the Q/A world and if someone
tries to get out of that, that person would be always told off by this
argument. In fact, I would honestly suggest Google to find a better
algorithm to avoid this situation, but I understand it may not be in
Google's best interest.

Also, it is quite inconvenient to find Stack Exchange results at times
on the top if they are not good enough and e.g. the official
documentation is good enough. In those cases, it is a pity that the
official documentation or something better than Stack Exchange answers
is not on the top... A good example would be an expert's blog.

I trust and truly believe that the free software world needs to
challenge Stack Exchange to avoid vendor lock-in by non-free software
for a very important use case.



Google01103 (I hang at the Forum occasionally)


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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Laszlo Papp]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Dweeble  wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 06:36:48 -0500, Laszlo Papp  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Martin Klapetek
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone btw. knows how the Ubuntu instance at askubuntu.com fits in?
>>
>>
>> It is part of the Stack Exchange system. You can easily check it by
>> going to a Stack Exchange account that has subaccounts on multiple
>> sites including AU. The "subdomains" are listed at the top of left an
>> account. Furthermore, the Stack Exchange logo is even in the "banner"
>> on the top left of the cover page for AU.
>>
>>> I wonder if it is hosted by Canonical or just by SE Inc. and running
>>> on its own domain...and if Ubuntu people got more power in the moderation
>>> and stuff.
>>
>>
>> Well, surely, they are slightly more empowered on a separate site, but
>> in the end of the day, as Omar also wrote, the big boss is Stack
>> Exchange. I want KDE to be the big boss for a KDE project. I really do
>> not want to compromise that.
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> --
>>> Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer
>>>
>>> ___
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>>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
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>
> I don't see where this is so much better than what exists - to me it looks
> like a forum without sub-forums, where (at least on the LO and Ubuntu sites)
> not that many people vote and "answers" are basically posts.

Sorry, but this is simply not true. You can say that questions and
answers, with comments left around, look like forum, but that is not
the intended goal of these Q/A sites. I personally do not like the end
resulf of the forums. There is a lot of messy noise left around for
the posterity. It is a bit challenging to go through all the posts and
grab the important bits. It is possible, but it is not ideal.

Now, coming back to your observation, if that is what you observed on
SE, that is sad. I have seen it many times myself, too, though that
noisy comments are left around, which were useful for the time, but
not after submitting the "final" answer.

On the contrary, forum is more like a different form of mailing list
or IRC for me, where the discussion can be publicly pinned down. But
that is quite different from only concentrating on the "end result".

> And
> surprisingly considering the size of the Ubuntu community there aren't as
> many answers as I would have expected.

Fair enough and that is not just the AU community. It is an overall
issue for many technology areas on SE.

> I would think making the existing facilities better would be more cost/labor
> efficient and imo and what would be a worthy  goal in supporting the
> community would be is to provide responses to all questions asked on the
> Forum, if one looks at the number of unanswered questions that number should
> not be considered acceptable.

Yes, I agree.

There is also the thing that the LaTeX Stack Exchange and
latex-community.org experts say: you cannot answer every questions
either if many questions are very low quality.

Stack Exchange is a commercial entity with closed source software
(although "open" database to be fair) and their own business model. I
do not think it is inline with KDE's vision, but the KDE community may
disagree with me, for sure.

Either way, Stack Exchange has been known among many experts that it
would mostly concentrate on quantity to sell to their customers. They
can show all the fancy stats to their customers that "we have now X
million questions, etc". This is one of their policy decisions which,
while I respect, I do not agree with.

Let me please get back a bit to the "First Google results are Stack
Exchange results, beating even the official documentations, so it must
be really cool".

To make my opinion clear and explicit, I think it is disadvantageous
that Stack Exchange is indexed that well on Google. It is leading
towards the "vendor lock-in" mode for the Q/A world and if someone
tries to get out of that, that person would be always told off by this
argument. In fact, I would honestly suggest Google to find a better
algorithm to avoid this situation, but I understand it may not be in
Google's best interest.

Also, it is quite inconvenient to find Stack Exchange results at times
on the top if they are not good enough and e.g. the official
documentation is good enough. In those cases, it is a pity that the
official documentation or something better than Stack Exchange answers
is not on the top... A good example would be an expert's blog.

I trust and truly believe that the free software world needs to
challenge Stack Exchange to avoid vendor lock-in by non-free software
for a very important use case.

>
> Google01103 (I hang at the Forum occasionally)
>
>
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Dweeble]

On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 07:38:48 -0500, Jaroslaw Staniek  wrote:


On 26 February 2015 at 13:27, Dweeble  wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 06:36:48 -0500, Laszlo Papp  wrote:


On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Martin Klapetek
 wrote:


Anyone btw. knows how the Ubuntu instance at askubuntu.com fits in?



It is part of the Stack Exchange system. You can easily check it by
going to a Stack Exchange account that has subaccounts on multiple
sites including AU. The "subdomains" are listed at the top of left an
account. Furthermore, the Stack Exchange logo is even in the "banner"
on the top left of the cover page for AU.


I wonder if it is hosted by Canonical or just by SE Inc. and running
on its own domain...and if Ubuntu people got more power in the moderation
and stuff.



Well, surely, they are slightly more empowered on a separate site, but
in the end of the day, as Omar also wrote, the big boss is Stack
Exchange. I want KDE to be the big boss for a KDE project. I really do
not want to compromise that.



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I don't see where this is so much better than what exists - to me it looks
like a forum without sub-forums, where (at least on the LO and Ubuntu sites)
not that many people vote and "answers" are basically posts. And
surprisingly considering the size of the Ubuntu community there aren't as
many answers as I would have expected.

I would think making the existing facilities better would be more cost/labor
efficient and imo and what would be a worthy  goal in supporting the
community would be is to provide responses to all questions asked on the
Forum, if one looks at the number of unanswered questions that number should
not be considered acceptable.



Yeah, one example: search that actually works. On
https://forum.kde.org/kexi when I type TABLE I get results for Amarok,
KMail, Okular, even VDG. Maybe 3 for Kexi.

People search, do not browse, especially if they're confronted with a
large hierarchy.

Isn't that an idea for GSoC or whatever action?


You need to use the "search this forum " box which is at the bottom of the 
page, I agree that the placement isn't optimal and that the search box would be more 
useful if it was context aware:
- if on the forum home page search all forums
- if on a sub-forum parent home page (ex Kexi has multiple sub forums) search 
all the parent's sub-forums
- if on a sub-forum  page search that sub-forum (or maybe all related 
sub-forums)
- if on a thread search that thread


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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Jaroslaw Staniek]

On 26 February 2015 at 13:27, Dweeble  wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 06:36:48 -0500, Laszlo Papp  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Martin Klapetek
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone btw. knows how the Ubuntu instance at askubuntu.com fits in?
>>
>>
>> It is part of the Stack Exchange system. You can easily check it by
>> going to a Stack Exchange account that has subaccounts on multiple
>> sites including AU. The "subdomains" are listed at the top of left an
>> account. Furthermore, the Stack Exchange logo is even in the "banner"
>> on the top left of the cover page for AU.
>>
>>> I wonder if it is hosted by Canonical or just by SE Inc. and running
>>> on its own domain...and if Ubuntu people got more power in the moderation
>>> and stuff.
>>
>>
>> Well, surely, they are slightly more empowered on a separate site, but
>> in the end of the day, as Omar also wrote, the big boss is Stack
>> Exchange. I want KDE to be the big boss for a KDE project. I really do
>> not want to compromise that.
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> --
>>> Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer
>>>
>>> ___
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>>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
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>
> I don't see where this is so much better than what exists - to me it looks
> like a forum without sub-forums, where (at least on the LO and Ubuntu sites)
> not that many people vote and "answers" are basically posts. And
> surprisingly considering the size of the Ubuntu community there aren't as
> many answers as I would have expected.
>
> I would think making the existing facilities better would be more cost/labor
> efficient and imo and what would be a worthy  goal in supporting the
> community would be is to provide responses to all questions asked on the
> Forum, if one looks at the number of unanswered questions that number should
> not be considered acceptable.
>

Yeah, one example: search that actually works. On
https://forum.kde.org/kexi when I type TABLE I get results for Amarok,
KMail, Okular, even VDG. Maybe 3 for Kexi.

People search, do not browse, especially if they're confronted with a
large hierarchy.

Isn't that an idea for GSoC or whatever action?


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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Dweeble]

On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 06:36:48 -0500, Laszlo Papp  wrote:


On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Martin Klapetek
 wrote:

Anyone btw. knows how the Ubuntu instance at askubuntu.com fits in?


It is part of the Stack Exchange system. You can easily check it by
going to a Stack Exchange account that has subaccounts on multiple
sites including AU. The "subdomains" are listed at the top of left an
account. Furthermore, the Stack Exchange logo is even in the "banner"
on the top left of the cover page for AU.


I wonder if it is hosted by Canonical or just by SE Inc. and running
on its own domain...and if Ubuntu people got more power in the moderation
and stuff.


Well, surely, they are slightly more empowered on a separate site, but
in the end of the day, as Omar also wrote, the big boss is Stack
Exchange. I want KDE to be the big boss for a KDE project. I really do
not want to compromise that.



Cheers
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I don't see where this is so much better than what exists - to me it looks like a forum 
without sub-forums, where (at least on the LO and Ubuntu sites) not that many people vote 
and "answers" are basically posts. And surprisingly considering the size of the 
Ubuntu community there aren't as many answers as I would have expected.

I would think making the existing facilities better would be more cost/labor 
efficient and imo and what would be a worthy  goal in supporting the community 
would be is to provide responses to all questions asked on the Forum, if one 
looks at the number of unanswered questions that number should not be 
considered acceptable.

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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Luigi Toscano]

On Thursday 26 of February 2015 12:32:00 Martin Klapetek wrote:
> Anyone btw. knows how the Ubuntu instance at askubuntu.com fits in?
> I wonder if it is hosted by Canonical or just by SE Inc. and running
> on its own domain...and if Ubuntu people got more power in the moderation
> and stuff.

On the other side, other FLOSS communities host their own version:

https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/questions/
https://ask.openstack.org/en/questions/
http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/questions/

(those three use askbot).


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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Laszlo Papp]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Martin Klapetek
 wrote:
> Anyone btw. knows how the Ubuntu instance at askubuntu.com fits in?

It is part of the Stack Exchange system. You can easily check it by
going to a Stack Exchange account that has subaccounts on multiple
sites including AU. The "subdomains" are listed at the top of left an
account. Furthermore, the Stack Exchange logo is even in the "banner"
on the top left of the cover page for AU.

> I wonder if it is hosted by Canonical or just by SE Inc. and running
> on its own domain...and if Ubuntu people got more power in the moderation
> and stuff.

Well, surely, they are slightly more empowered on a separate site, but
in the end of the day, as Omar also wrote, the big boss is Stack
Exchange. I want KDE to be the big boss for a KDE project. I really do
not want to compromise that.

>
> Cheers
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Martin Klapetek]

Anyone btw. knows how the Ubuntu instance at askubuntu.com fits in?
I wonder if it is hosted by Canonical or just by SE Inc. and running
on its own domain...and if Ubuntu people got more power in the moderation
and stuff.

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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Jaroslaw Staniek]

On 26 February 2015 at 10:56, jQM Consultant  wrote:

[..]
> Having a micro-community inside a macro-community will have a negative
> impact on the micro-community.
> You won't have your own rules nor will you have your own personality (as a
> community).

While we're looking for optimized forum/Q&A experience for
sub-communities, this reminds me similar question: Krita (or Kexi, for
the record) forum(s) dive in the large KDE forums family. It's easy to
get lost. Do you think the above note, usability-wise, also applies to
forum.kde.org?

Would own forum instances, still managed by KDE admins, be better?

More controversial note is also: it's not necessarily natural for
majority of their non-contributing users (Krita, Kexi) being outside
of the KDE Plasma orbit, to visit and contribute to "KDE [community]
forums".  In best case they may see themselves rather as a part of a
standalone application's community. Just like Angry Birds fans do not
call themselves iOS/Android community.

(just 2c)

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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[jQM Consultant]

Hi everyone,

I had spent over two years helping people on SE network in different
topics/fields. My observations during through that period are as follows.


   - SE is not a suitable place to exchange knowledge nor to expand your
   knowledge.
   - It lacks friendly environment, especially for new comers/help seekers.
   - Having a micro-community inside a macro-community will have a negative
   impact on the micro-community.
   - You won't have your own rules nor will you have your own personality
   (as a community).
   - You (community) will have to abide by SE's "community managers" and
   "moderators" rules; most likely none of them is well experienced with your
   technology. Simply, SE has the upper hand!
   - The voting system is abusive and misused, which sometimes keeps people
   from asking or answering to avoid being "down-voted".
   - It is almost IMPOSSIBLE to delete answer/question or disassociate of
   your name. Once you have your question answered or your answer accepted,
   you can't delete it.
   - The majority of contributors are after fake points (reputation) and
   badges, and the majority of answers/questions are repeated and/or of low
   quality.
   - The community (SE) is full of ignorant, rude, arrogant and
   narrow-minded moderators and users.
   - Regarding "googleability" a one year old blog can beat SE to hit first
   results in search page. I have a "free WP" blog also 800 answers on SO, my
   blog beats SO results as well as documentations.
   - Most of google search's first results are either out-dated or
   unhelpful SO answers.


In short, I really don't recommend to be part of SE. It's just not the
right place to share knowledge or help others. There are many places,
endless number of ways to gather others under one roof.

I hope I have been of help.

Omar

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Laszlo Papp  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:57 AM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> >
> >> El Dimecres, 25 de febrer de 2015, a les 17:09:09, Boudewijn Rempt va
> >> escriure:
> >>>
> >>> This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums
> >>> are awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of
> >>> exchanges. We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!
> >>>
> >>> One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like
> >>> http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's
> outside
> >>> of KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!
> >>
> >>
> >> What's important of StackExchange, the non-wiki, non-forum type of
> >> software they have or the users they have?
> >>
> >
> > The software -- the way it invites people to ask questions, give answers
> and
> > to a large extent also the way stack exchange answers show up in google.
> I
> > mean... Try googling for a Qt programming question these days. You get
> > stackexchange before the Qt documentation.
>
> I think you are referring to Stack Overflow in there and not Stack
> Exchange, at least with the Qt example, but that is just details, yes.
>
> Let me speak up as one of the all time (top) contributors who made the
> Qt tag "so successful" on Stack Exchange. I am not trying to claim
> this out of pride, but more like indicating that I have some
> experience about what I am talking about. I am not trying to throw
> empty words out of the thin air.
>
> Your statement seems to be very attracting to a newbie person to Stack
> Exchange to read, but let me explain, based on my experience, your
> statement is and should not be used as a rebruttal reasoning as how
> good the site is.
>
> First of all, as I indicated earlier, the content is many times very
> low on Stack Exchange. That is due to the decline in proper moderation
> Stack Exchange provides for Qt experts, or any other for that matter.
>
> There are annoyingly the same questions asked over, over and all over
> again. More often than not, there is no proper duplicate with thorough
> explanation for the same question so that the rest could be closed
> with redirection to it. Sometimes, newcomers would look for reputation
> as part of the gaming process and so they would answer
> many-times-asked questions just to get reputation, usualy with much
> lower quality answers. Real experts do not get enough power to deal
> with this mess, especially in not completely mainstream tags, e.g. Qt.
>
> There are many occasions where you would need to go through 5-10 Stack
> Exchange urls and yet you would not find a good answer!
>
> However, It is worse than that: you would find many times misleading
> and/or wrong answers which are even heavily upvoted. Upvoting is easy
> and there are many robo upvoters, people using puppets and all that.
> Yes, there is some minimal defense mechanism against puppets, but it
> is really just very minimal. The algorithm is very poor.
>
> As I mentioned, it is more of a gaming site without proper power to
> eliminate well-known "rep-whore" 

Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Laszlo Papp]

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:57 AM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
>
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
>
>> El Dimecres, 25 de febrer de 2015, a les 17:09:09, Boudewijn Rempt va
>> escriure:
>>>
>>> This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums
>>> are awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of
>>> exchanges. We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!
>>>
>>> One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like
>>> http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's outside
>>> of KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!
>>
>>
>> What's important of StackExchange, the non-wiki, non-forum type of
>> software they have or the users they have?
>>
>
> The software -- the way it invites people to ask questions, give answers and
> to a large extent also the way stack exchange answers show up in google. I
> mean... Try googling for a Qt programming question these days. You get
> stackexchange before the Qt documentation.

I think you are referring to Stack Overflow in there and not Stack
Exchange, at least with the Qt example, but that is just details, yes.

Let me speak up as one of the all time (top) contributors who made the
Qt tag "so successful" on Stack Exchange. I am not trying to claim
this out of pride, but more like indicating that I have some
experience about what I am talking about. I am not trying to throw
empty words out of the thin air.

Your statement seems to be very attracting to a newbie person to Stack
Exchange to read, but let me explain, based on my experience, your
statement is and should not be used as a rebruttal reasoning as how
good the site is.

First of all, as I indicated earlier, the content is many times very
low on Stack Exchange. That is due to the decline in proper moderation
Stack Exchange provides for Qt experts, or any other for that matter.

There are annoyingly the same questions asked over, over and all over
again. More often than not, there is no proper duplicate with thorough
explanation for the same question so that the rest could be closed
with redirection to it. Sometimes, newcomers would look for reputation
as part of the gaming process and so they would answer
many-times-asked questions just to get reputation, usualy with much
lower quality answers. Real experts do not get enough power to deal
with this mess, especially in not completely mainstream tags, e.g. Qt.

There are many occasions where you would need to go through 5-10 Stack
Exchange urls and yet you would not find a good answer!

However, It is worse than that: you would find many times misleading
and/or wrong answers which are even heavily upvoted. Upvoting is easy
and there are many robo upvoters, people using puppets and all that.
Yes, there is some minimal defense mechanism against puppets, but it
is really just very minimal. The algorithm is very poor.

As I mentioned, it is more of a gaming site without proper power to
eliminate well-known "rep-whore" aspect of the site in favor of
quality. Let me just point you out with one thread, the well-known
"Fastest Gun in the West Problem" among the expert "stack exchangers".
I have gone through the same problems myself many times. Just to give
you a random example, there was a question about qdoc and there was
only one answer talking about doxygen. It was highly upvoted until I
raised the issue among us, Qt contributors on Stack Exchange.
Seriously, the answer was talking about something completely
different, yet it was heavily upvoted. Some newbie even told me that
it was upvoted, so "it must have been good". Before you start claiming
that this was an exception, I am instantly writing that it was not!

http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/9731/fastest-gun-in-the-west-problem

Please try to understand that getting to the top of Google does not
imply quality, nor free software. It implies lots of visits, etc. How
that happens and whether via quality measures and free software
channels, that is another question. You can always do a project, put a
lot of effort on marketing and apply similar tricky, but without
empowering real technology experts, you will not get quality from that
angle.

Overall, I and many people stopped contributing on Stack Exchange due
to the obvious decline in moderation. When I left answering questions,
before deciding to write a book about Qt 5 instead, the unanswered
question rate was around 37.5% and it is now around 60+%. Some fellow
Qt chaps also left around the time I did.

Oh, and have I emphasized it enough that they allow to downvote post
without reasoning on Stack Exchange? Many have spoken up against that
destructive policy and it cannot be changed. It would not be possible
to change it for KDE either since it is in the core of its operation.
I heavily and strongly disagree with that. When I get a -1 (downvote)
for a well-researched post, I would like to see the problem about it.
You know, we would be collaborating to have a useful knowledge 

Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Boudewijn Rempt]

On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Albert Astals Cid wrote:

El Dimecres, 25 de febrer de 2015, a les 17:09:09, Boudewijn Rempt va 
escriure:

This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums
are awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of
exchanges. We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!

One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like
http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's outside
of KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!


What's important of StackExchange, the non-wiki, non-forum type of software 
they have or the users they have?




The software -- the way it invites people to ask questions, give answers 
and to a large extent also the way stack exchange answers show up in 
google. I mean... Try googling for a Qt programming question these days. 
You get stackexchange before the Qt documentation.



I.e. we're on twitter because of the users they have, having 
twitter-like software on kde.org wouldn't work.



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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Albert Astals Cid]

El Dimecres, 25 de febrer de 2015, a les 17:09:09, Boudewijn Rempt va 
escriure:
> This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums
> are awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of
> exchanges. We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!
> 
> One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like
> http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's outside
> of KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!

What's important of StackExchange, the non-wiki, non-forum type of software 
they have or the users they have?

I.e. we're on twitter because of the users they have, having 
twitter-like software on kde.org wouldn't work.

Cheers,
  Albert

> 
> So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a
> krita.stackexchange.com be against the manifesto? And if so, is there any
> equivalent (in terms of user-friendliness, googleability and
> recognizability) that we can use withing KDE's infra structure?
> 
> For all clarity; this isn't a wiki, and it isn't a forum. It works in a
> very different way.
> 
> Boudewijn
> 
> (Willing to experiment so fewer people wonder where their layers have
> gone. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150224214426AAbFtKj)
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Luca Beltrame]

Laszlo Papp wrote:

> I would personally much prefer integrating this into the KDE
> infrastructure rather than KDE going to Stack Exchange:

Disclaimer: I may be biased since I help running the forums. If it were to 
me, I'd give -1 to SE. Simply put, KDE should not (if possible) rely on non-
Free solutions for these kind of things. 

This even more so because there are alternatives, and because I'm aware 
myself (although just an occasional user of said service) of the issues 
surrounding Stack Exchange.

-- 
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Laszlo Papp]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Laszlo Papp  wrote:
> I would personally much prefer integrating this into the KDE
> infrastructure rather than KDE going to Stack Exchange:
> http://www.osqa.net/

Before people start claiming that it has not got so much activity as
of late, here can you find a more complete list of alternatives for
Stack Exchange. There are open source and hence free software
alternatives on the list.

http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2267/stack-exchange-clones

Having said that, this is not my main issue with Stack Exchange. I
simply do not like many things about their vision, including, but not
limited to:

1) Not willing to remedy the problem about extremely low-quality content.

2) Unhealthy atmosphere by allowing downvotes as part of the
gamification without any reasoning. It encourages to do a kind of "you
suck" attitude without constructively explaining it.

3) Certain things are just far too locked down, like discussions
between the moderators and site owners about important decisions in
the community.

4) There is no healthy way of discussing the operation of the site
(no, meta is not).

5) They do not properly respect the license terms they were supposed to follow.

6) Sustainability for a free software project is rather questionable.
Remember what happened to the predecessor "expert exchange" ...

I could continue enumerating as I have so much thoughts about the
topic, but I will cut it here for now.

Overall, Stack Exchange could be harmful for the KDE project in my
opinion. This does not need to be taken lightly. I have spent my time
for 1-2 years helping users on Stack Exchange sites, days and nights,
but I have had a very different feeling to what free software project,
including Qt and KDE would be about.

I am sure KDE good take some good initiative to give some boost to the
free software world about the need of the "Q/A" technology by not
compromising free software in the first place.

> StackExchange is a commercial entity without open source accessbility
> to the implementation. Also, you need to comply with what
> StackExchange likes in the end of the day.
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
>> This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums are
>> awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of exchanges.
>> We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!
>>
>> One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like
>> http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's outside of
>> KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!
>>
>> So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a
>> krita.stackexchange.com be against the manifesto? And if so, is there any
>> equivalent (in terms of user-friendliness, googleability and
>> recognizability) that we can use withing KDE's infra structure?
>>
>> For all clarity; this isn't a wiki, and it isn't a forum. It works in a very
>> different way.
>>
>> Boudewijn
>>
>> (Willing to experiment so fewer people wonder where their layers have gone.
>> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150224214426AAbFtKj)
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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Carl Symons]

On 02/25/2015 08:12 AM, Laszlo Papp wrote:

I would personally much prefer integrating this into the KDE
infrastructure rather than KDE going to Stack Exchange:
http://www.osqa.net/


osqa.net looks good.

There's also an established service (answerhub.com/), which could be 
implemented quickly...at a cost. They are kinda cute (maybe deceptive) 
with their pricing guidelines, but apparently they are willing to 
discuss charitable deals.


There's a comparison between OSQA and AnswerHub at
answerhub.com/answerhub-difference-osqa/
but there would need to be a decision about the importance of features 
that are only available from the commercial AnswerHub.






StackExchange is a commercial entity without open source accessbility
to the implementation. Also, you need to comply with what
StackExchange likes in the end of the day.


Reply to Boud's original message below.



On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:

This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums are
awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of exchanges.
We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!

One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like
http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's outside of
KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!

So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a
krita.stackexchange.com be against the manifesto? And if so, is there any
equivalent (in terms of user-friendliness, googleability and
recognizability) that we can use withing KDE's infra structure?


StackExchange seems to conflict with...
"Online services associated with the project are either hosted on KDE 
infrastructure or have an action plan that ensures continuity which is 
approved by the KDE system administration team"


Hard to see how continuity would be ensured. Perhaps the continuity plan 
could be to start on StackExchange, operate there until something could 
be established within KDE's infrastructure. As a beginning Krita user, I 
would greatly appreciate this kind of resource.


A Q&A capability would be helpful for other KDE technology as well.

Carl




For all clarity; this isn't a wiki, and it isn't a forum. It works in a very
different way.

Boudewijn

(Willing to experiment so fewer people wonder where their layers have gone.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150224214426AAbFtKj)


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Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Laszlo Papp]

I would personally much prefer integrating this into the KDE
infrastructure rather than KDE going to Stack Exchange:
http://www.osqa.net/

StackExchange is a commercial entity without open source accessbility
to the implementation. Also, you need to comply with what
StackExchange likes in the end of the day.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Boudewijn Rempt  wrote:
> This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums are
> awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of exchanges.
> We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!
>
> One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like
> http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's outside of
> KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!
>
> So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a
> krita.stackexchange.com be against the manifesto? And if so, is there any
> equivalent (in terms of user-friendliness, googleability and
> recognizability) that we can use withing KDE's infra structure?
>
> For all clarity; this isn't a wiki, and it isn't a forum. It works in a very
> different way.
>
> Boudewijn
>
> (Willing to experiment so fewer people wonder where their layers have gone.
> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150224214426AAbFtKj)
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[kde-community] stackexange site for krita

[Boudewijn Rempt]

This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums 
are awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of 
exchanges. We even see questions appear on yahoo answers!


One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like 
http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's outside 
of KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though!


So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a 
krita.stackexchange.com be against the manifesto? And if so, is there any 
equivalent (in terms of user-friendliness, googleability and 
recognizability) that we can use withing KDE's infra structure?


For all clarity; this isn't a wiki, and it isn't a forum. It works in a 
very different way.


Boudewijn

(Willing to experiment so fewer people wonder where their layers have 
gone. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150224214426AAbFtKj)

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