Re: 4th global climate strike - should KDE take action?

2019-11-04 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer 
I have sent a former vote proposal to the e.V. list now.
We'll see what happens.

On 04.11.19 15:56, cahfof...@tuta.io wrote:
> Hello Christoph,
> thanks for your fast answer.
> 
> You're rigth, the general interest in this topic is very low at this moment, 
> there were neither positive nor negative reactions.
> 
> I would not be able to start a KDE e.V. online voting as I am not a member of 
> the KDE e.V. .
> Your's faithfully
> cahfofpai
> 
> 4. Nov. 2019, 15:43 von christ...@cullmann.io:
> 
>> On 2019-11-04 15:32, cahfof...@tuta.io wrote:
>>
>>> Dear KDE community,
>>>
>>> two questions:
>>> Christoph and David suggested to do a poll on this topic to get a
>>> consent within the community. Is such a consent finding process
>>> already established, for example described by an official document by
>>> the KDE e.V., and was such a community wide poll ever done before?
>>> During the discussions for the last global climate strike people
>>> mentioned there are ongoing conversations in the KDE e.V. on improving
>>> the community's climate impact - what's the current state of this
>>> discussions and are there any results yet?
>>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> we have only e.V. internal voting setup procedures
>>
>> https://ev.kde.org/rules/online_voting.php
>>
>> and I think that would be enough to do for this, if somebody triggers that.
>>
>> Until now, there seems to be zero positive feedback about this request on 
>> this list anyways,
>> not sure if voting makes then any sense.
>>
>> For the state of discussions about climate impact: I think we have not yet 
>> reached
>> any decision there e.V. internally.
>>
>> Greetings
>> Christoph
>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely yours
>>> cahfofpai
>>>
>>>
>>> 30. Okt. 2019, 15:24 von david.hu...@mailbox.org:
>>>
 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:57:42 +0100
 From: Christoph Cullmann 

> On 2019-10-29 12:18, cahfof...@tuta.io wrote:
>> Dear KDE Community,
>>
>> On 29th of November, the fourth global climate strike will take place.
>>
>> For the last global climate strike, a banner was placed on the website
>> (https://web.archive.org/web/20190921055543/https://kde.org/
>> ) and a
>> social media post was published
>> (https://mastodon.technology/@kde/102821138461667105
>> ).
>>
>> Should we (as a community) take action at the next global climate
>> strike? A blog post and / or a social media post about the progress of
>> internal discussions about KDE's climate impact and how it could be
>> improved came to my mind.
>>
>> What do you think?
>
> Hi,
>
> I am not sure the last action in this regard was well perceived by all
> parts
> of the community or KDE e.V.
>
> Given we lacked time for the last strike to clarify this better, would
> it be
> a good idea this time to e.g. at least have a poll inside the e.V. if we
> want
> to support that?
>
> Greetings
> Christoph
>

 Hi,

 after reading the discussion from september, I think a poll is the minimum.
 Even withot the next climate strike, I feel we have to do the poll.

 Cheers, David

>>
>> -- 
>> Ignorance is bliss...
>> https://cullmann.io | https://kate-editor.org
>>
>

Re: 4th global climate strike - should KDE take action?

2019-11-04 Thread Mirko Boehm 
Hello!

> On 4. Nov 2019, at 16:00, Christoph Cullmann  wrote:
> 
> I will just CC the e.V. list with this mail, perhaps somebody is interested 
> there.
> 
> Given I am more inclined to not take part in such "political"
> actions not actually software development related,
> I will not step up to request some vote for this.

I think the usual KDE approach is to have a discussion and let the contributors 
decide for themselves what the right course of action for them is. 

It would be worthwhile to think about making “sustainable computing” a KDE goal 
(as in “the desktop should be as energy-efficient as possible”, for example). 
That would have a concrete impact on the community. See here, too: 
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/sdg12 


Best,

Mirko.
-- 
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Qt Certified Specialist and Trainer
Request a meeting: https://doodle.com/mirkoboehm

Re: 4th global climate strike - should KDE take action?

2019-11-04 Thread Christoph Cullmann 

On 2019-11-04 15:56, cahfof...@tuta.io wrote:

Hello Christoph,
thanks for your fast answer.

You're rigth, the general interest in this topic is very low at this
moment, there were neither positive nor negative reactions.

I would not be able to start a KDE e.V. online voting as I am not a
member of the KDE e.V. .
Your's faithfully
cahfofpai


Hi,

I will just CC the e.V. list with this mail, perhaps somebody is 
interested there.


Given I am more inclined to not take part in such "political"
actions not actually software development related,
I will not step up to request some vote for this.

Greetings
Christoph



4. Nov. 2019, 15:43 von christ...@cullmann.io:


On 2019-11-04 15:32, cahfof...@tuta.io wrote:


Dear KDE community,

two questions:
Christoph and David suggested to do a poll on this topic to get a
consent within the community. Is such a consent finding process
already established, for example described by an official document by
the KDE e.V., and was such a community wide poll ever done before?
During the discussions for the last global climate strike people
mentioned there are ongoing conversations in the KDE e.V. on 
improving

the community's climate impact - what's the current state of this
discussions and are there any results yet?



Hi,

we have only e.V. internal voting setup procedures

https://ev.kde.org/rules/online_voting.php

and I think that would be enough to do for this, if somebody triggers 
that.


Until now, there seems to be zero positive feedback about this request 
on this list anyways,

not sure if voting makes then any sense.

For the state of discussions about climate impact: I think we have not 
yet reached

any decision there e.V. internally.

Greetings
Christoph



Sincerely yours
cahfofpai


30. Okt. 2019, 15:24 von david.hu...@mailbox.org:


Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:57:42 +0100
From: Christoph Cullmann 


On 2019-10-29 12:18, cahfof...@tuta.io wrote:
> Dear KDE Community,
>
> On 29th of November, the fourth global climate strike will take place.
>
> For the last global climate strike, a banner was placed on the website
> (https://web.archive.org/web/20190921055543/https://kde.org/
> ) and a
> social media post was published
> (https://mastodon.technology/@kde/102821138461667105
> ).
>
> Should we (as a community) take action at the next global climate
> strike? A blog post and / or a social media post about the progress of
> internal discussions about KDE's climate impact and how it could be
> improved came to my mind.
>
> What do you think?

Hi,

I am not sure the last action in this regard was well perceived by 
all

parts
of the community or KDE e.V.

Given we lacked time for the last strike to clarify this better, 
would

it be
a good idea this time to e.g. at least have a poll inside the e.V. 
if we

want
to support that?

Greetings
Christoph



Hi,

after reading the discussion from september, I think a poll is the 
minimum.

Even withot the next climate strike, I feel we have to do the poll.

Cheers, David



--
Ignorance is bliss...
https://cullmann.io | https://kate-editor.org



--
Ignorance is bliss...
https://cullmann.io | https://kate-editor.org

Re: 4th global climate strike - should KDE take action?

2019-11-04 Thread cahfofpai 
Hello Christoph,
thanks for your fast answer.

You're rigth, the general interest in this topic is very low at this moment, 
there were neither positive nor negative reactions.

I would not be able to start a KDE e.V. online voting as I am not a member of 
the KDE e.V. .
Your's faithfully
cahfofpai

4. Nov. 2019, 15:43 von christ...@cullmann.io:

> On 2019-11-04 15:32, cahfof...@tuta.io wrote:
>
>> Dear KDE community,
>>
>> two questions:
>> Christoph and David suggested to do a poll on this topic to get a
>> consent within the community. Is such a consent finding process
>> already established, for example described by an official document by
>> the KDE e.V., and was such a community wide poll ever done before?
>> During the discussions for the last global climate strike people
>> mentioned there are ongoing conversations in the KDE e.V. on improving
>> the community's climate impact - what's the current state of this
>> discussions and are there any results yet?
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> we have only e.V. internal voting setup procedures
>
> https://ev.kde.org/rules/online_voting.php
>
> and I think that would be enough to do for this, if somebody triggers that.
>
> Until now, there seems to be zero positive feedback about this request on 
> this list anyways,
> not sure if voting makes then any sense.
>
> For the state of discussions about climate impact: I think we have not yet 
> reached
> any decision there e.V. internally.
>
> Greetings
> Christoph
>
>>
>> Sincerely yours
>> cahfofpai
>>
>>
>> 30. Okt. 2019, 15:24 von david.hu...@mailbox.org:
>>
>>> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:57:42 +0100
>>> From: Christoph Cullmann 
>>>
 On 2019-10-29 12:18, cahfof...@tuta.io wrote:
 > Dear KDE Community,
 >
 > On 29th of November, the fourth global climate strike will take place.
 >
 > For the last global climate strike, a banner was placed on the website
 > (https://web.archive.org/web/20190921055543/https://kde.org/
 > ) and a
 > social media post was published
 > (https://mastodon.technology/@kde/102821138461667105
 > ).
 >
 > Should we (as a community) take action at the next global climate
 > strike? A blog post and / or a social media post about the progress of
 > internal discussions about KDE's climate impact and how it could be
 > improved came to my mind.
 >
 > What do you think?

 Hi,

 I am not sure the last action in this regard was well perceived by all
 parts
 of the community or KDE e.V.

 Given we lacked time for the last strike to clarify this better, would
 it be
 a good idea this time to e.g. at least have a poll inside the e.V. if we
 want
 to support that?

 Greetings
 Christoph

>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> after reading the discussion from september, I think a poll is the minimum.
>>> Even withot the next climate strike, I feel we have to do the poll.
>>>
>>> Cheers, David
>>>
>
> -- 
> Ignorance is bliss...
> https://cullmann.io | https://kate-editor.org
>

Re: 4th global climate strike - should KDE take action?

2019-11-04 Thread Christoph Cullmann 

On 2019-11-04 15:32, cahfof...@tuta.io wrote:

Dear KDE community,

two questions:
Christoph and David suggested to do a poll on this topic to get a
consent within the community. Is such a consent finding process
already established, for example described by an official document by
the KDE e.V., and was such a community wide poll ever done before?
During the discussions for the last global climate strike people
mentioned there are ongoing conversations in the KDE e.V. on improving
the community's climate impact - what's the current state of this
discussions and are there any results yet?


Hi,

we have only e.V. internal voting setup procedures

https://ev.kde.org/rules/online_voting.php

and I think that would be enough to do for this, if somebody triggers 
that.


Until now, there seems to be zero positive feedback about this request 
on this list anyways,

not sure if voting makes then any sense.

For the state of discussions about climate impact: I think we have not 
yet reached

any decision there e.V. internally.

Greetings
Christoph



Sincerely yours
cahfofpai


30. Okt. 2019, 15:24 von david.hu...@mailbox.org:


Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:57:42 +0100
From: Christoph Cullmann 


On 2019-10-29 12:18, cahfof...@tuta.io wrote:
> Dear KDE Community,
>
> On 29th of November, the fourth global climate strike will take place.
>
> For the last global climate strike, a banner was placed on the website
> (https://web.archive.org/web/20190921055543/https://kde.org/
> ) and a
> social media post was published
> (https://mastodon.technology/@kde/102821138461667105
> ).
>
> Should we (as a community) take action at the next global climate
> strike? A blog post and / or a social media post about the progress of
> internal discussions about KDE's climate impact and how it could be
> improved came to my mind.
>
> What do you think?

Hi,

I am not sure the last action in this regard was well perceived by 
all

parts
of the community or KDE e.V.

Given we lacked time for the last strike to clarify this better, 
would

it be
a good idea this time to e.g. at least have a poll inside the e.V. if 
we

want
to support that?

Greetings
Christoph



Hi,

after reading the discussion from september, I think a poll is the 
minimum.

Even withot the next climate strike, I feel we have to do the poll.

Cheers, David



--
Ignorance is bliss...
https://cullmann.io | https://kate-editor.org

Re: 4th global climate strike - should KDE take action?

2019-11-04 Thread cahfofpai 
Dear KDE community,

two questions:
Christoph and David suggested to do a poll on this topic to get a consent 
within the community. Is such a consent finding process already established, 
for example described by an official document by the KDE e.V., and was such a 
community wide poll ever done before?
During the discussions for the last global climate strike people mentioned 
there are ongoing conversations in the KDE e.V. on improving the community's 
climate impact - what's the current state of this discussions and are there any 
results yet?

Sincerely yours
cahfofpai


30. Okt. 2019, 15:24 von david.hu...@mailbox.org:

> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:57:42 +0100
> From: Christoph Cullmann 
>
>> On 2019-10-29 12:18, cahfof...@tuta.io wrote:
>> > Dear KDE Community,
>> > 
>> > On 29th of November, the fourth global climate strike will take place.
>> > 
>> > For the last global climate strike, a banner was placed on the website
>> > (https://web.archive.org/web/20190921055543/https://kde.org/
>> > ) and a
>> > social media post was published
>> > (https://mastodon.technology/@kde/102821138461667105
>> > ).
>> > 
>> > Should we (as a community) take action at the next global climate
>> > strike? A blog post and / or a social media post about the progress of
>> > internal discussions about KDE's climate impact and how it could be
>> > improved came to my mind.
>> > 
>> > What do you think?
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am not sure the last action in this regard was well perceived by all
>> parts
>> of the community or KDE e.V.
>>
>> Given we lacked time for the last strike to clarify this better, would
>> it be
>> a good idea this time to e.g. at least have a poll inside the e.V. if we
>> want
>> to support that?
>>
>> Greetings
>> Christoph
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> after reading the discussion from september, I think a poll is the minimum. 
> Even withot the next climate strike, I feel we have to do the poll.
>
> Cheers, David
>

Re: 4th global climate strike - should KDE take action?

2019-10-30 Thread David Hurka 
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:57:42 +0100
From: Christoph Cullmann 
> On 2019-10-29 12:18, cahfof...@tuta.io wrote:
> > Dear KDE Community,
> > 
> > On 29th of November, the fourth global climate strike will take place.
> > 
> > For the last global climate strike, a banner was placed on the website
> > (https://web.archive.org/web/20190921055543/https://kde.org/
> > ) and a
> > social media post was published
> > (https://mastodon.technology/@kde/102821138461667105
> > ).
> > 
> > Should we (as a community) take action at the next global climate
> > strike? A blog post and / or a social media post about the progress of
> > internal discussions about KDE's climate impact and how it could be
> > improved came to my mind.
> > 
> > What do you think?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am not sure the last action in this regard was well perceived by all
> parts
> of the community or KDE e.V.
> 
> Given we lacked time for the last strike to clarify this better, would
> it be
> a good idea this time to e.g. at least have a poll inside the e.V. if we
> want
> to support that?
> 
> Greetings
> Christoph

Hi,

after reading the discussion from september, I think a poll is the minimum. 
Even withot the next climate strike, I feel we have to do the poll.

Cheers, David

Re: 4th global climate strike - should KDE take action?

2019-10-29 Thread Christoph Cullmann 

On 2019-10-29 12:18, cahfof...@tuta.io wrote:

Dear KDE Community,

On 29th of November, the fourth global climate strike will take place.

For the last global climate strike, a banner was placed on the website
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190921055543/https://kde.org/
) and a
social media post was published
(https://mastodon.technology/@kde/102821138461667105
).

Should we (as a community) take action at the next global climate
strike? A blog post and / or a social media post about the progress of
internal discussions about KDE's climate impact and how it could be
improved came to my mind.

What do you think?

Hi,

I am not sure the last action in this regard was well perceived by all 
parts

of the community or KDE e.V.

Given we lacked time for the last strike to clarify this better, would 
it be
a good idea this time to e.g. at least have a poll inside the e.V. if we 
want

to support that?

Greetings
Christoph

--
Ignorance is bliss...
https://cullmann.io | https://kate-editor.org