Re: systemd and KDE (was: Re: kdeinit)
- Original Message - On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 4:54 PM, John Layt jl...@kde.org wrote: Ummm, Pulse Audio? It completely broke sound under KDE. It caused a lot of users a lot of pain before Colin come along to fix it for us and for Gnome users too. I don't want to see a repeat of that, so figuring out how to get Lennart to care becomes important. Yes, it is - maybe something I can help internally but can't promise anything as you know Lennart but we're now in position we have to go through our internal needs for systemd. During Desktop Summit, I've jumped on the systemd-KDE-integration bandwagon (which seems to be only me at the moment, or is there any work which I'm not aware of?). Stefan, thanks for stepping in. Some time ago I just tried systemd password agent, I have to check if you implement it, otherwise it would be great to have it in one place. But back to systemd and KDE integration. Is there something we can be helpful? Especially regarding the problems in systemd you rushed into etc.? As a very first step, there's libqsystemd [1], which I'll try to finish and polish in the next few weeks. This should make it easy to write apps that communicate with systemd. For example, what about a proper Plasma dataengine for systemd units/jobs and an applet that e.g. shows the state of a systemd unit? There's an proof-of-concept dataengine in the repo [1], but the subject is in need of someone who knows his way around Plasma dataengines and friends. The second integration point is the unified interfaces for system configuration that systemd provides. If systemd is present, it should be used to set (possibly also get) the hostname, locale, and system time. Also, KDM should be able to communicate with systemd-logind, which (as outlined by Lennart's talk at DS) seeks to replace ConsoleKit. The third integration point is to use systemd as a session manager, thereby (as already mentioned) possibly replacing big parts of our own startup sequence. Once I can get a current version of systemd to compile on my machine, I will try to look into this, but of course help is appreciated on all fronts. Yes, these last two things are important for us. Usually we (Fedora) are hit first :( And we're just really small team but we're trying at least :) (PolicyKit, uDisk/uPower integration etc.) So if you can include me and Lukas Tinkl in further discussion/development it would be great. Thanks, Jaroslav Greetings Stefan [1] git clone kde:libqsystemd -- Jaroslav Řezník jrez...@redhat.com Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 602 797 774 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/
Re: systemd and KDE (was: Re: kdeinit)
Regarding integration - for a long time I've been interested in adding support to System Activity (ctrl+esc thingy). In Windows, the task manager has a tab for both processes and for services, and you can switch between the two. So you can right click on a process and jump to its service, and vice versa. This integration makes a lot of sense since its often better to stop the service than to just kill the process. I've been somewhat waiting for the fight between upstart and systemd to be resolved, and also it would be good to have the following DBUS calls available to non-root users: 1) Return a list of currently running / stopped / runnable / etc services 2) Provide user-friendly information about each service. (Short description that I can show to the user) 3) Provide a list of PIDs for a given service 4) Return the service for a given PID Can these calls be added if necessary please? JohnFlux
libkactivities moved to kactivities repository
hi... the library in kdelibs/experimental/libkactivities has been moved to a separate git repository: kactivities. the reason for this is two fold: 1) this is what we want to do for Frameworks development anyways: multiple repositories ... 2) currently Plasma Active requires kdelibs to be built with the active- development/4.7 branch. i merged all changes except the changes to libkactivities into KDE/4.7 (they were all bugfixes to libplasma, it turns out). the library had simply changed too much to merge it into the KDE/4.7 branch. so .. into its own repository it goes. this will allow plasma-mobile and the share-like-connect repositories to be built and be functional with normal kdelibs (KDE/4.7 branch, e.g.) along with the kactivities repository all developer of libkactivities should happen in this new repository. i will be removing the active-development/* branches in kdelibs shortly. -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: systemd and KDE (was: Re: kdeinit)
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:13 AM, John Tapsell johnf...@gmail.com wrote: Regarding integration - for a long time I've been interested in adding support to System Activity (ctrl+esc thingy). In Windows, the task manager has a tab for both processes and for services, and you can switch between the two. So you can right click on a process and jump to its service, and vice versa. This integration makes a lot of sense since its often better to stop the service than to just kill the process. I've been somewhat waiting for the fight between upstart and systemd to be resolved, and also it would be good to have the following DBUS calls available to non-root users: 1) Return a list of currently running / stopped / runnable / etc services 2) Provide user-friendly information about each service. (Short description that I can show to the user) These two are available. 3) Provide a list of PIDs for a given service I couldn't see this, but maybe I missed it. At least you can get the cgroup, and then you can look in the procs file to get a list of pids belonging to the group. 4) Return the service for a given PID This is available. Cheers, Tom
Re: systemd and KDE (was: Re: kdeinit)
Jaroslav Reznik wrote: - Original Message - On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 4:54 PM, John Layt jl...@kde.org wrote: Ummm, Pulse Audio? It completely broke sound under KDE. It caused a lot of users a lot of pain before Colin come along to fix it for us and for Gnome users too. I don't want to see a repeat of that, so figuring out how to get Lennart to care becomes important. Yes, it is - maybe something I can help internally but can't promise anything as you know Lennart but we're now in position we have to go through our internal needs for systemd. I would suggest to have a look at the proposal from Federico Mena Quintero at http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/msg00474.html which is wise, guiding into the right direction, would be portable and follows the unix-philosophie.
