Re: [Kicad-developers] PCB API and pcbnew_scripting_helpers

[Cirilo Bernardo]

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:16 PM, Wayne Stambaugh 
wrote:

> On 7/9/2016 12:45 AM, Cirilo Bernardo wrote:
> > I'm working on a plan to implement a PCB API as a step towards
> > implementing an Export Plugin which uses dynamically loaded
> > code in a manner similar to the current 3D Plugin scheme.
> >
> > As part of the API, a number of basic functions are required:
> > + obtain a pointer to the current BOARD (if any)
> > + load a BOARD
> > + save a BOARD
> > + create a new BOARD
> > + close the current BOARD
>
> Are you talking about changing the Pcbnew IO_MGR code to use dynamically
> loaded plugins instead of compiled in plugins?  If so, you must
> implement the entire PLUGIN API which includes handling footprint
> libraries not just board files.  Please do not change this API as it is
> used extensively throughout Pcbnew.  There is no reason to create a
> separate API for python, you can already access the PLUGIN API with
> Python.  I just opened a Python console and loaded a board file using
> the IO_MGR and PLUGIN objects.
>
>
No, I have no plans to make any changes to the IO_MGR. I'll have a
look at that class again. If anything a PCB API dynamic plugin should
make use of such a class rather than supplant it.  What I'm talking
about is an API for a dynamic plugin to use to inspect board data, which
is the minimum required to implement an MCAD exporter plugin, and later
perhaps even manipulate board data. If anything this PCB API would
provide wrappers to the IO_MGR and so on; there would be no alterations.


> >
> > I noticed that the pcbner_scripting_helpers.{cpp,h} implement
> > the LOAD/SAVE part for use by the Python interface. Since
> > these functions will also be required by a PCB API, could
> > we rework those files so that they are always compiled into
> > kicad? I would like to ensure those functions are always
> > compiled and gradually add to them to create a base from
> > which to start the PCB API.
>
> I rather you used the existing PLUGIN API.  I'm not even sure why this
> code exists.  Why do we need multiple board and footprint library
> handlers?  I'm a bit confused as to why this is even necessary.
>
>
I think  that code exists to provide a wrapper for Python to load a
board or obtain a handle to the board. It basically exposes some
KiCad data as global variables and passes it on to Python.  I have
always considered that sort of thing as a flaw in the data structure
or program design - why is it seemingly impossible to obtain some
information without adding kludges like pcbnew_scripting_helpers
which expose data as globals?

- Cirilo


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Re: [Kicad-developers] CERN trip update.

[Alejandro Garcia Montoro]

Indeed, it was a great week! Or at least I can assure it was a great end of
the week :) Aaaand yep, the beer was pretty good too! It was very nice to
meet you all, guys, and if there are more hackatons (improvised or not),
count me in!

You'll hear from me soon, I'm still testing the changes done to the
geometry stuff, they'll be ready at the end of this week.

Thank you all for such a great time there at the CERN :)

Cheers,
Alejandro

2016-07-11 18:19 GMT+02:00 Javier Serrano :

> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Wayne Stambaugh 
> wrote:
> > I just wanted to give everyone a quick heads up about the CERN trip.
> > First I would like to say thank you the CERN folks for their generosity
> > in hosting a KiCad developers hackathon.  We also took a trip to visit
> > Jean-Pierre who was an equally gracious host.
>
> Yes, JP telling us about the origins of KiCad sipping a kir under the
> trees in his garden. A beautiful moment. And many other memories:
> Annecy, Montreux Jazz, some brave cyclists climbing up La Faucille,
> visiting CERN and the United Nations, Wayne's first exposure to
> Flammekueche. And beer: beer discussing about democracy in the US and
> in Europe, beer about arms control, beer about the founding fathers,
> about Brexit and what have you. And lots of KiCad discussion and
> hacking of course! Great week indeed. Thank you all for coming! This
> turned out to be an improvised mini-hackathon in the end, but it looks
> to me that the case for more organized hackathons in the future is
> pretty strong.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Javier
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 4.0.3 stable release last call.

[Simon Wells]

that is why i was rather surprised to see that touchpad panning was
backported into stable.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 3:41 AM, Duane Johnson  wrote:
> Right, sorry, I wasn't explicit. I agree that new icons should be held off
> until they can accompany new features. It's a better user experience.
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Wayne Stambaugh 
> wrote:
>>
>> On 7/11/2016 11:32 AM, Duane Johnson wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Fabrizio Tappero
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Wayne,
>> > would it be possible to include the 4 new main kicad icons in this
>> > release? I will need two more days to finish them up and maybe few
>> > days to update the english documentation to sync the changes.
>> >
>> > cheers
>> > Fabrizio
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > FWIW, designers know that when you ship new features, you need to make a
>> > visual difference for users to realize it's shiny and new. Accompanying
>> > a new features release with new icons would make a nice splash :)
>> >
>> > Duane
>>
>> The KiCad project does not back port features to the stable release.  We
>> don't have the manpower to do this.  Only bugs are fixed in the stable
>> release branch.  All new features will are released in the next stable
>> branch.
>>
>> Wayne
>
>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] CERN trip update.

[Javier Serrano]

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
> I just wanted to give everyone a quick heads up about the CERN trip.
> First I would like to say thank you the CERN folks for their generosity
> in hosting a KiCad developers hackathon.  We also took a trip to visit
> Jean-Pierre who was an equally gracious host.

Yes, JP telling us about the origins of KiCad sipping a kir under the
trees in his garden. A beautiful moment. And many other memories:
Annecy, Montreux Jazz, some brave cyclists climbing up La Faucille,
visiting CERN and the United Nations, Wayne's first exposure to
Flammekueche. And beer: beer discussing about democracy in the US and
in Europe, beer about arms control, beer about the founding fathers,
about Brexit and what have you. And lots of KiCad discussion and
hacking of course! Great week indeed. Thank you all for coming! This
turned out to be an improvised mini-hackathon in the end, but it looks
to me that the case for more organized hackathons in the future is
pretty strong.

Cheers,

Javier

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Re: [Kicad-developers] 4.0.3 stable release last call.

[Wayne Stambaugh]

On 7/11/2016 11:32 AM, Duane Johnson wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Fabrizio Tappero
> > wrote:
> 
> Hi Wayne,
> would it be possible to include the 4 new main kicad icons in this
> release? I will need two more days to finish them up and maybe few
> days to update the english documentation to sync the changes.
> 
> cheers
> Fabrizio
> 
> 
> 
> FWIW, designers know that when you ship new features, you need to make a
> visual difference for users to realize it's shiny and new. Accompanying
> a new features release with new icons would make a nice splash :)
> 
> Duane

The KiCad project does not back port features to the stable release.  We
don't have the manpower to do this.  Only bugs are fixed in the stable
release branch.  All new features will are released in the next stable
branch.

Wayne

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Re: [Kicad-developers] 4.0.3 stable release last call.

[Duane Johnson]

Right, sorry, I wasn't explicit. I agree that new icons should be held off
until they can accompany new features. It's a better user experience.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Wayne Stambaugh 
wrote:

> On 7/11/2016 11:32 AM, Duane Johnson wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Fabrizio Tappero
> > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Wayne,
> > would it be possible to include the 4 new main kicad icons in this
> > release? I will need two more days to finish them up and maybe few
> > days to update the english documentation to sync the changes.
> >
> > cheers
> > Fabrizio
> >
> >
> >
> > FWIW, designers know that when you ship new features, you need to make a
> > visual difference for users to realize it's shiny and new. Accompanying
> > a new features release with new icons would make a nice splash :)
> >
> > Duane
>
> The KiCad project does not back port features to the stable release.  We
> don't have the manpower to do this.  Only bugs are fixed in the stable
> release branch.  All new features will are released in the next stable
> branch.
>
> Wayne
>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 4.0.3 stable release last call.

[Duane Johnson]

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Fabrizio Tappero <
fabrizio.tapp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Wayne,
> would it be possible to include the 4 new main kicad icons in this
> release? I will need two more days to finish them up and maybe few days to
> update the english documentation to sync the changes.
>
> cheers
> Fabrizio
>


FWIW, designers know that when you ship new features, you need to make a
visual difference for users to realize it's shiny and new. Accompanying a
new features release with new icons would make a nice splash :)

Duane
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[Kicad-developers] CERN trip update.

[Wayne Stambaugh]

I just wanted to give everyone a quick heads up about the CERN trip.
First I would like to say thank you the CERN folks for their generosity
in hosting a KiCad developers hackathon.  We also took a trip to visit
Jean-Pierre who was an equally gracious host.  I think it is safe to say
that everyone had a great time.  We even managed to get some hacking
done.  Lot's of work was done on the P router, geometry library,
library management user experience, and the schematic I/O plugin.
Expect to more on see fruits of these efforts over the coming weeks.
Unbeknownst to me, the CERN developers Orson and Tom have been working
on an exiting new feature.  Expect an announcement very soon.  Thank you
to all who participated in the event.  Your efforts are greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Wayne

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Re: [Kicad-developers] PCB API and pcbnew_scripting_helpers

[Wayne Stambaugh]

On 7/9/2016 12:45 AM, Cirilo Bernardo wrote:
> I'm working on a plan to implement a PCB API as a step towards
> implementing an Export Plugin which uses dynamically loaded
> code in a manner similar to the current 3D Plugin scheme.
> 
> As part of the API, a number of basic functions are required:
> + obtain a pointer to the current BOARD (if any)
> + load a BOARD
> + save a BOARD
> + create a new BOARD
> + close the current BOARD

Are you talking about changing the Pcbnew IO_MGR code to use dynamically
loaded plugins instead of compiled in plugins?  If so, you must
implement the entire PLUGIN API which includes handling footprint
libraries not just board files.  Please do not change this API as it is
used extensively throughout Pcbnew.  There is no reason to create a
separate API for python, you can already access the PLUGIN API with
Python.  I just opened a Python console and loaded a board file using
the IO_MGR and PLUGIN objects.

> 
> I noticed that the pcbner_scripting_helpers.{cpp,h} implement
> the LOAD/SAVE part for use by the Python interface. Since
> these functions will also be required by a PCB API, could
> we rework those files so that they are always compiled into
> kicad? I would like to ensure those functions are always
> compiled and gradually add to them to create a base from
> which to start the PCB API.

I rather you used the existing PLUGIN API.  I'm not even sure why this
code exists.  Why do we need multiple board and footprint library
handlers?  I'm a bit confused as to why this is even necessary.

> 
> - Cirilo
>  
> 
> 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 4.0.3 stable release last call.

[Wayne Stambaugh]

Thank you Iñigo.

On 7/11/2016 3:27 AM, Iñigo wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Spanish translation is up to date for the new release.
> 
> Iñigo.
> 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 4.0.3 stable release last call.

[Wayne Stambaugh]

Fabrizio,

For the stable release, I want to keep the current icons.  Good, bad or
otherwise, users are used to them in the stable release.  Since we are
working on some user experience improvements for the next stable
release, I think that is the time to spring new icons on the users.

Cheers,

Wayne

On 7/10/2016 12:47 PM, Fabrizio Tappero wrote:
> Hi Wayne,
> would it be possible to include the 4 new main kicad icons in this
> release? I will need two more days to finish them up and maybe few days
> to update the english documentation to sync the changes.
> 
> cheers
> Fabrizio
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Wayne Stambaugh  > wrote:
> 
> I'm making one last call for any last bug fixes for the version 4 stable
> branch before I tag 4.0.3.  If you are working on anything or know of
> anything that could be a show stopper, please let me know.  I hope to
> tag 4.0.3 early next week to give our doc devs and translators a chance
> to make any last changes before I roll out 4.0.3 and make the
> announcement.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Wayne
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Re: [Kicad-developers] KiCad New Main Icon proposal

[Fabrizio Tappero]

Hi Nick,
that was my first attempt to quit the pen. People have different opinions
about what there icons should look like. I am now on a round two of
proposals.

cheers
Fab.


On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Nick Østergaard  wrote:

> What happened to the icons proposed earlire?
>
> https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg18155.html
>
> 2016-07-10 20:04 GMT+02:00 Fabrizio Tappero :
> > thanks Simon,
> > I get you point. Will do my best to fix this issue.
> >
> > cheers
> > Fabrizio
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Simon Wells  wrote:
> >>
> >> just in regards to the footprint icon, one potential issue i see with
> >> it is its very similar to the 3d module icon as seen in cvpcb, which
> >> could confuse some new users. could you not have a footprint (either
> >> in real world-ish colours or in pcbnew colours) a dip-6 and/or a
> >> soic-6 could be used and have the pads/silk/mask etc... and maybe a
> >> refdes?
> >>
> >> Not sure if i am making sense, but i am also not a designer :)
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Trygve Laugstøl 
> wrote:
> >> > On 07. juli 2016 17:44, Eldar Khayrullin wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Sorry, I forgot to attach.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I really like this style of icons. Much less clutter and a single
> symbol
> >> > instead of a full picture.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Trygve
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> В Четверг, 7 июл. 2016 в 6:23 , Simon Wells 
> >> >> написал:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> i agree, the footprint and symbol icons are nice, however i also
> think
> >> >>> the page and the pen in the schematic/pcbnew icons are unnecessary,
> >> >>> Simon On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:58 AM, Marco Ciampa <
> ciam...@libero.it
> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 04:06:37PM +0200, Fabrizio Tappero
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hello, Following and integrating the feedback from all you
> >> >>> guys, here we have some new main kicad icons. Looks is still
> >> >>> not completely polished. To make Wayne happy I have even
> >> >>> included a pretty pen in some main icons ! ;-)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> my 0.0002 cents In my humble opinion, either the pen is
> drawn
> >> >>> as in the act of writing (as it was for old KiCad icons and is
> >> >>> Openstreetmap JOSM for an example:
> https://josm.openstreetmap.de/)
> >> >>> or it is just distracting... The new component and footprint
> icons
> >> >>> are great though... -- Marco Ciampa I know a joke about UDP, but
> >> >>> you might not get it.  GNU/Linux User
> >> >>> #78271 FSFE fellow #364 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] 4.0.3 stable release last call.

[Iñigo]

Hi,

Spanish translation is up to date for the new release.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] KiCad New Main Icon proposal

[Nick Østergaard]

What happened to the icons proposed earlire?

https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg18155.html

2016-07-10 20:04 GMT+02:00 Fabrizio Tappero :
> thanks Simon,
> I get you point. Will do my best to fix this issue.
>
> cheers
> Fabrizio
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Simon Wells  wrote:
>>
>> just in regards to the footprint icon, one potential issue i see with
>> it is its very similar to the 3d module icon as seen in cvpcb, which
>> could confuse some new users. could you not have a footprint (either
>> in real world-ish colours or in pcbnew colours) a dip-6 and/or a
>> soic-6 could be used and have the pads/silk/mask etc... and maybe a
>> refdes?
>>
>> Not sure if i am making sense, but i am also not a designer :)
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Trygve Laugstøl  wrote:
>> > On 07. juli 2016 17:44, Eldar Khayrullin wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Sorry, I forgot to attach.
>> >
>> >
>> > I really like this style of icons. Much less clutter and a single symbol
>> > instead of a full picture.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Trygve
>> >
>> >>
>> >> В Четверг, 7 июл. 2016 в 6:23 , Simon Wells 
>> >> написал:
>> >>>
>> >>> i agree, the footprint and symbol icons are nice, however i also think
>> >>> the page and the pen in the schematic/pcbnew icons are unnecessary,
>> >>> Simon On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:58 AM, Marco Ciampa > >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 04:06:37PM +0200, Fabrizio Tappero wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hello, Following and integrating the feedback from all you
>> >>> guys, here we have some new main kicad icons. Looks is still
>> >>> not completely polished. To make Wayne happy I have even
>> >>> included a pretty pen in some main icons ! ;-)
>> >>>
>> >>> my 0.0002 cents In my humble opinion, either the pen is drawn
>> >>> as in the act of writing (as it was for old KiCad icons and is
>> >>> Openstreetmap JOSM for an example: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/)
>> >>> or it is just distracting... The new component and footprint icons
>> >>> are great though... -- Marco Ciampa I know a joke about UDP, but
>> >>> you might not get it.  GNU/Linux User
>> >>> #78271 FSFE fellow #364 
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