Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?
I have successfully designed a few boards using Atmel processors in an MLF32 package. This has a 0.5mm pin pitch and it causes a few problems (search for my OPs for details), but they are not totally insurmountable as you will see from the OPs and follow-up posts. Obviously one needs to design the footprint correctly, but despite my MLF footprint being pretty weird compared to lower density packages, designing it in kicad was not a problem. Does that answer your question? Regards, Robert. Lothar Behrens wrote: Thanks. If comparing the Samsung 2442 chip pin distance of 0.8 millimeter, creating a module in KICAD would be doable. (http://www.opatnet.cz/elektronika/datasheet/U/um_s3c2442b_rev12.pdf) Here are the other components that are used in the FreeRunner: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware Especially the flash memory seems not clear to me (the fbga pin diameter of 0.0138 inch (b) and distance of 0.0295 inch (e) as of http://www.numonyx.com/Documents/Datasheets/M58WRxxxKTB.pdf The other components must be reviewed too, but this seems to be a house mark of package density :-) So I ask especially for designs using such fbga parts. Lothar Am 20.04.2009 um 18:56 schrieb Dave - WB6DHW: Lothar: I use KICAD to design all of my boards. They vary from DIP parts down to fine pitch (.020 pitch) parts. A PDF of the schematic and board layout for each of my boards is available on my website. Dave - WB6DHW http://wb6dhw.com Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD? Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what package density / types used. I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about targeting mobile phone / smart phone or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko 1973 / FreeRunner) Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2068 - Release Date: 04/19/09 20:04:00
Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?
Hi, We have used Kicad in all our designs since 2005. For example, Altera FPGA 484 pins BGA, 0.0060 Clearance, 0.0039 mask clearance, 6 layers, 0402 capacitors, through vias. All routings are hand made and boards are in production. Regards, Pedro. I am doing a small research if KICAD will be capable to create boards with 8 or more layers using high density components like FBGA parts. It's about a mobile phone / smart phone from OpenMoko, that now will be further developed in a comunity. As I remember if I am right they used Mentor PADS if that is what you mentioned. For a comunity it should better be an open source tool than a closed source. That's why I am asking for success stories or simply stating 'we using KICAD for our project X containing these parts: As in my other post: Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?
Hi, is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD? Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what package density / types used. I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about targeting mobile phone / smart phone or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko 1973 / FreeRunner) Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen
Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?
Lothar: I use KICAD to design all of my boards. They vary from DIP parts down to fine pitch (.020 pitch) parts. A PDF of the schematic and board layout for each of my boards is available on my website. Dave - WB6DHW http://wb6dhw.com Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD? Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what package density / types used. I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about targeting mobile phone / smart phone or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko 1973 / FreeRunner) Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen
Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?
Thanks. If comparing the Samsung 2442 chip pin distance of 0.8 millimeter, creating a module in KICAD would be doable. (http://www.opatnet.cz/elektronika/datasheet/U/um_s3c2442b_rev12.pdf) Here are the other components that are used in the FreeRunner: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware Especially the flash memory seems not clear to me (the fbga pin diameter of 0.0138 inch (b) and distance of 0.0295 inch (e) as of http://www.numonyx.com/Documents/Datasheets/M58WRxxxKTB.pdf The other components must be reviewed too, but this seems to be a house mark of package density :-) So I ask especially for designs using such fbga parts. Lothar Am 20.04.2009 um 18:56 schrieb Dave - WB6DHW: Lothar: I use KICAD to design all of my boards. They vary from DIP parts down to fine pitch (.020 pitch) parts. A PDF of the schematic and board layout for each of my boards is available on my website. Dave - WB6DHW http://wb6dhw.com Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD? Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what package density / types used. I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about targeting mobile phone / smart phone or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko 1973 / FreeRunner) Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?
Do a Google search on DG8SAQ or/and the VNWA2 Vector Analyzer. The pcb is visible on some photo's. The pcb and all the schematics where done with KiCad. //Dan, M0DFI On Monday 20 April 2009 15:24:42 Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD? Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what package density / types used. I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about targeting mobile phone / smart phone or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko 1973 / FreeRunner) Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Dave - WB6DHW brain...@wildblue.netwrote: Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD? Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what package density / types used. I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about targeting mobile phone / smart phone or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko 1973 / FreeRunner) Thanks Lothar . Lothar, I'm not sure what type of stories you are looking for. I'm a first time user. Previous board experience with PADS. I just completed a 6 layer (4 routing, power, ground) board approx 3.5 x 3.75. PC104 connector, dual row IDC connector, 240 QFP FPGA, 2 144 pin QFP devices and an assortment of 0805 resistors, capacitors and smaller parts. Hand routed, 800 or so holes... Fairly dense. Waiting on the board to ship now. Generally very pleased with the experience. Steve
Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?
Am 20.04.2009 um 20:34 schrieb Steve Weigold: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Dave - WB6DHW brain...@wildblue.netwrote: Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD? Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what package density / types used. I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about targeting mobile phone / smart phone or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko 1973 / FreeRunner) Thanks Lothar . Lothar, I'm not sure what type of stories you are looking for. I'm a first time user. Previous board experience with PADS. I just completed a 6 layer (4 routing, power, ground) board approx 3.5 x 3.75. PC104 connector, dual row IDC connector, 240 QFP FPGA, 2 144 pin QFP devices and an assortment of 0805 resistors, capacitors and smaller parts. Hand routed, 800 or so holes... Fairly dense. Waiting on the board to ship now. Generally very pleased with the experience. I am doing a small research if KICAD will be capable to create boards with 8 or more layers using high density components like FBGA parts. It's about a mobile phone / smart phone from OpenMoko, that now will be further developed in a comunity. As I remember if I am right they used Mentor PADS if that is what you mentioned. For a comunity it should better be an open source tool than a closed source. That's why I am asking for success stories or simply stating 'we using KICAD for our project X containing these parts: As in my other post: http://www.opatnet.cz/elektronika/datasheet/U/um_s3c2442b_rev12.pdf and http://www.numonyx.com/Documents/Datasheets/M58WRxxxKTB.pdf The main samples yet didn't show up any ball grid array housings, what I am interested in, but it shows that there are created boards that are to be selled. Also I saw applications up into the HF area to 1.3 GHz. BTW, if anyone is interested in participating in smartphone development, please welcome to the mailing list (gt...@lists.openmoko.org ) Lothar Steve -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
