Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?

2009-04-21 Thread Robert
I have successfully designed a few boards using Atmel processors in an 
MLF32 package.   This has a 0.5mm pin pitch and it causes a few problems 
(search for my OPs for details), but they are not totally insurmountable 
as you will see from the OPs and follow-up posts.

Obviously one needs to design the footprint correctly, but despite my 
MLF footprint being pretty weird compared to lower density packages, 
designing it in kicad was not a problem.

Does that answer your question?

Regards,

Robert.

Lothar Behrens wrote:
 Thanks.
 
 If comparing the Samsung 2442 chip pin distance of 0.8 millimeter,  
 creating a module in KICAD would be doable.
 (http://www.opatnet.cz/elektronika/datasheet/U/um_s3c2442b_rev12.pdf)
 
 Here are the other components that are used in the FreeRunner: 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware
 
 Especially the flash memory seems not clear to me (the fbga pin  
 diameter of 0.0138 inch (b) and distance of 0.0295 inch (e) as of
 http://www.numonyx.com/Documents/Datasheets/M58WRxxxKTB.pdf
 
 The other components must be reviewed too, but this seems to be a  
 house mark of package density :-)
 
 So I ask especially for designs using such fbga parts.
 
 Lothar
 
 Am 20.04.2009 um 18:56 schrieb Dave - WB6DHW:
 

 Lothar:
 I use KICAD to design all of my boards. They vary from DIP parts
 down to fine pitch (.020 pitch) parts. A PDF of the schematic and
 board layout for each of my boards is available on my website.

 Dave - WB6DHW
 http://wb6dhw.com

 Lothar Behrens wrote:
 Hi,

 is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD?

 Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what
 package density / types used.
 I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about
 targeting mobile phone / smart phone
 or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko
 1973 / FreeRunner)

 Thanks

 Lothar

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Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?

2009-04-21 Thread Pedro Martin
Hi,

We have used Kicad in all our designs since 2005.

For example, Altera FPGA 484 pins BGA, 0.0060 Clearance, 0.0039 mask 
clearance, 6 layers, 0402 capacitors, through vias.

All routings are hand made and boards are in production.

Regards,
Pedro.



 I am doing a small research if KICAD will be capable to create boards  
 with 8 or more layers using high density components like FBGA parts.
 It's about a mobile phone / smart phone from OpenMoko, that now will  
 be further developed in a comunity.
 
 As I remember if I am right they used Mentor PADS if that is what you  
 mentioned. For a comunity it should better be an open source tool than a
 closed source.
 
 That's why I am asking for success stories or simply stating 'we using  
 KICAD for our project X containing these parts:
 
 As in my other post:





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[kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?

2009-04-20 Thread Lothar Behrens
Hi,

is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD?

Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what  
package density / types used.
I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about  
targeting mobile phone / smart phone
or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko  
1973 / FreeRunner)

Thanks

Lothar

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Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?

2009-04-20 Thread Dave - WB6DHW
Lothar:
   I use KICAD to design all of my boards.  They vary from DIP parts 
down to fine pitch (.020 pitch) parts.  A PDF of the schematic and 
board  layout for each of my boards is available on my website.

Dave - WB6DHW
http://wb6dhw.com

Lothar Behrens wrote:
 Hi,
 
 is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD?
 
 Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what  
 package density / types used.
 I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about  
 targeting mobile phone / smart phone
 or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko  
 1973 / FreeRunner)
 
 Thanks
 
 Lothar
 
 -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de
 Lothar Behrens
 Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2
 73252 Lenningen
 
 


Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?

2009-04-20 Thread Lothar Behrens
Thanks.

If comparing the Samsung 2442 chip pin distance of 0.8 millimeter,  
creating a module in KICAD would be doable.
(http://www.opatnet.cz/elektronika/datasheet/U/um_s3c2442b_rev12.pdf)

Here are the other components that are used in the FreeRunner: 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware

Especially the flash memory seems not clear to me (the fbga pin  
diameter of 0.0138 inch (b) and distance of 0.0295 inch (e) as of
http://www.numonyx.com/Documents/Datasheets/M58WRxxxKTB.pdf

The other components must be reviewed too, but this seems to be a  
house mark of package density :-)

So I ask especially for designs using such fbga parts.

Lothar

Am 20.04.2009 um 18:56 schrieb Dave - WB6DHW:



 Lothar:
 I use KICAD to design all of my boards. They vary from DIP parts
 down to fine pitch (.020 pitch) parts. A PDF of the schematic and
 board layout for each of my boards is available on my website.

 Dave - WB6DHW
 http://wb6dhw.com

 Lothar Behrens wrote:
  Hi,
 
  is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD?
 
  Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what
  package density / types used.
  I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about
  targeting mobile phone / smart phone
  or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko
  1973 / FreeRunner)
 
  Thanks
 
  Lothar
 
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  Lothar Behrens
  Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2
  73252 Lenningen
 
 

 

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Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?

2009-04-20 Thread Dan Andersson

Do a Google search on DG8SAQ or/and the VNWA2 Vector Analyzer.

The pcb is visible on some photo's.

The pcb and all the schematics where done with KiCad.

//Dan, M0DFI

 

On Monday 20 April 2009 15:24:42 Lothar Behrens wrote:
 Hi,

 is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD?

 Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what
 package density / types used.
 I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about
 targeting mobile phone / smart phone
 or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko
 1973 / FreeRunner)

 Thanks

 Lothar

 -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de
 Lothar Behrens
 Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2
 73252 Lenningen





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Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?

2009-04-20 Thread Steve Weigold
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Dave - WB6DHW brain...@wildblue.netwrote:


 Lothar Behrens wrote:
  Hi,
 
  is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD?
 
  Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what
  package density / types used.
  I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about
  targeting mobile phone / smart phone
  or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko
  1973 / FreeRunner)
 
  Thanks
 
  Lothar
 
  .

 


Lothar,

I'm not sure what type of stories you are looking for.  I'm a first time
user.  Previous board experience with PADS.  I just completed a 6 layer (4
routing, power, ground) board approx 3.5 x 3.75.  PC104 connector, dual row
IDC connector, 240 QFP FPGA, 2 144 pin QFP devices and an assortment of 0805
resistors, capacitors and smaller parts.  Hand routed, 800 or so holes...
Fairly dense.  Waiting on the board to ship now.  Generally very pleased
with the experience.

Steve


Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?

2009-04-20 Thread Lothar Behrens

Am 20.04.2009 um 20:34 schrieb Steve Weigold:





 On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Dave - WB6DHW  
 brain...@wildblue.netwrote:

 Lothar Behrens wrote:
  Hi,
 
  is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD?
 
  Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what
  package density / types used.
  I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about
  targeting mobile phone / smart phone
  or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko
  1973 / FreeRunner)
 
  Thanks
 
  Lothar
 

 .


 Lothar,

 I'm not sure what type of stories you are looking for.  I'm a  
 first time user.  Previous board experience with PADS.  I just  
 completed a 6 layer (4 routing, power, ground) board approx 3.5 x  
 3.75.  PC104 connector, dual row IDC connector, 240 QFP FPGA, 2 144  
 pin QFP devices and an assortment of 0805 resistors, capacitors and  
 smaller parts.  Hand routed, 800 or so holes...  Fairly dense.   
 Waiting on the board to ship now.  Generally very pleased with the  
 experience.


I am doing a small research if KICAD will be capable to create boards  
with 8 or more layers using high density components like FBGA parts.
It's about a mobile phone / smart phone from OpenMoko, that now will  
be further developed in a comunity.

As I remember if I am right they used Mentor PADS if that is what you  
mentioned. For a comunity it should better be an open source tool than a
closed source.

That's why I am asking for success stories or simply stating 'we using  
KICAD for our project X containing these parts:

As in my other post:

http://www.opatnet.cz/elektronika/datasheet/U/um_s3c2442b_rev12.pdf and
http://www.numonyx.com/Documents/Datasheets/M58WRxxxKTB.pdf

The main samples yet didn't show up any ball grid array housings, what  
I am interested in, but it shows that there are created boards that  
are to be selled.
Also I saw applications up into the HF area to 1.3 GHz.

BTW, if anyone is interested in participating in smartphone  
development, please welcome to the mailing list (gt...@lists.openmoko.org 
)

Lothar

 Steve



 

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