[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 --- Comment #16 from Katrin Fischer --- *** Bug 25688 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 David Cook changed: What|Removed |Added CC||dc...@prosentient.com.au --- Comment #15 from David Cook --- (In reply to Katrin Fischer from comment #13) > I am sorry, but I don't understand the difference for itemtypes. > We've had no issues with the terms here so far. Currently Koha uses "All". Yeah I don't understand the difference either. While the circulation rules can be confusing, I don't think it's because of the term "All"? I think people just struggle with the concept of rules matching on a 1st rule found basis rather than all rules applying always. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 Jonathan Druart changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jonathan.dru...@bugs.koha-c ||ommunity.org Severity|major |normal See Also||https://bugs.koha-community ||.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi ||?id=15522 --- Comment #14 from Jonathan Druart --- Lowering severity. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 Katrin Fischer changed: What|Removed |Added CC||katrin.fisc...@bsz-bw.de --- Comment #13 from Katrin Fischer --- I am sorry, but I don't understand the difference for itemtypes. We've had no issues with the terms here so far. Currently Koha uses "All". -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 Nicole C. Engard changed: What|Removed |Added CC|neng...@gmail.com | -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 --- Comment #12 from Paul Poulain --- yes it is. And what is "funny" is that we have a customer asking about that last friday !!! (he was confused by the terms & thought there was a bug, counting "all" as "global total" instead of "otherwise" -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 Marc Véron changed: What|Removed |Added CC||ve...@veron.ch --- Comment #11 from Marc Véron --- Still valid? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 Koha Team Lyon 3 changed: What|Removed |Added CC||k...@univ-lyon3.fr --- Comment #10 from Koha Team Lyon 3 --- I'm not sure of the rule for itemtypes : I test in issuingrules : categorycodeitemtypemaxissueqty ETUL3*10 ETUL3DVD2 ETUL3EXC0 ETUL3PRET10 ETUL3PRET3J2 with this parameters, an ETUL3 Patron can check out 10 PRET + 2 DVD + 2 PRET3J : a total of 14 items. The line ETUL3*10 doesn't match. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 --- Comment #9 from Paul Poulain --- (In reply to comment #8) > Sorry for the delay, I was doing some research. Librarians seem to like the > idea of going back to 'Default' instead of 'All'. But we might want to ask > why it was changed to all originally - who was confused by 'All'? > > Nicole The main issue here is that the "all" (same word) has different meanings. See the initial description of this bug: * for libraries and patrons, it means "value to use if there is no rule for this library/patron" * for itemtypes it means "otherwise", it's not exactly the same "default" Let me take another example: 3 libraries LA, LB, LC 3 patron categories PA, PB, PC 3 itemtypes IA, IB, IC If you define LA, PA, IA = 5 items LA, PA, IB = 5 items LA, PA, IC = 5 items *, *, * = 10 items it will mean one can issue 10 items from LB *and* 10 items from LC That's not the same behaviour as for itemtypes, where LA, PA, IA = 5 LA, PA, * = 10 means 10 IB *or* IC (= 10 IB, 9 IB+1IC, 8+2, 7+3,...) Different behaviour = different terms should be used ! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 --- Comment #8 from Nicole C. Engard --- Sorry for the delay, I was doing some research. Librarians seem to like the idea of going back to 'Default' instead of 'All'. But we might want to ask why it was changed to all originally - who was confused by 'All'? Nicole -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 --- Comment #7 from Paul Poulain --- (In reply to comment #5) > The problem here in the US is that it used to say Default and confused the > librarians here so that's why it was changed to 'All' - so now we're looking > for another word that will make sense to everyone. > > Maybe it needs to be a phrase instead if it's a translation issue. I repeat what I wrote in comment 7: could we replace 'All' by something else? I propose : 'No specific itemtype rule'; 'other itemtype', 'any', 'otherwise', 'any other itemtype' Nicole, any other suggestion ? one of mine sounds good ? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 --- Comment #6 from Paul Poulain --- (In reply to comment #5) > Maybe it needs to be a phrase instead if it's a translation issue. I would be pleased by a phrase instead of a word as common as "all". Could you suggest something (and/or submit a patch I would be happy to signoff & push) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 --- Comment #5 from Nicole C. Engard --- The problem here in the US is that it used to say Default and confused the librarians here so that's why it was changed to 'All' - so now we're looking for another word that will make sense to everyone. Maybe it needs to be a phrase instead if it's a translation issue. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 --- Comment #4 from Paul Poulain --- (In reply to comment #3) > Hi Paul, > > I wasn't confused by this term, and I haven't come across any Koha partners > who were confused. The french version is quite confusing, none or BibLibre librarian project managers (4) had understood it works that way. > I can't think of a better term to use that would fit on > a tab. Do you have any suggestions for a better term to use? I propose: * Default => for branches and categorycode * Otherwise => for itemtype > Maybe we can just be more explicit in the manual about what is being done in > each case, rather than creating a new term? That's also needed, but differenciating the terms is also. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 Albert Oller changed: What|Removed |Added CC||a...@bywatersolutions.com --- Comment #3 from Albert Oller --- Hi Paul, I wasn't confused by this term, and I haven't come across any Koha partners who were confused. I can't think of a better term to use that would fit on a tab. Do you have any suggestions for a better term to use? Maybe we can just be more explicit in the manual about what is being done in each case, rather than creating a new term? Best regards, Albert -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 --- Comment #2 from Paul Poulain --- (In reply to comment #1) > Sounds to me like they are saying the same thing: "All, unless another rule > exists that can apply here." > > Is that not the case? Hi Nicole, That's just a term that can be confusing. For branches & patron category, it means "rule to apply if no other rule exists". In my example, if you have a "all" rule of 4 books, you can issue 4 books from library A AND 4 books from library B. For itemtype, it's a little bit different: one could think he can issue 4 DVD AND 4 CDs, but in fact he can just check-ou 4 "not (BOOKS or Comics)". So 3 DVD and 1 CD, or 2 and 2 or 4 and 0 (a *total* of 4, not 4 on each itemtype not defined) Do you see the difference ? I think it's worth a different term. Other option = if you consider it should be 4 DVDs and 4CD, it means it's a bug, because it's not the current behaviour and it must be fixed ! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 --- Comment #1 from Nicole C. Engard --- Paul, Sounds to me like they are saying the same thing: "All, unless another rule exists that can apply here." Is that not the case? Nicole -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
[Koha-bugs] [Bug 8366] Meaning of "All" in issuing rules
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8366 claire.hernan...@biblibre.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||claire.hernandez@biblibre.c ||om -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. ___ Koha-bugs mailing list Koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/