KR> Turbos on VW Mech. Vs. Elec.
Just a note...the aircraft industry was the ones to develop turochargers in the beginning. The purpose then was to provide the same manifold pressure at high altitude as sea level. Unless you intend to fly at higher altitudes where you may need oxygen then I would consider alternatives. Ken Gallaher On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 10:11 -0500, John J. Pellegrino wrote > It seems to me that adding an expensive electric turbo with all of the > associated weight and complications, plus the extra time it will take to > sort it all out, to me, would be a lot less attractive than just going to a > larger engine. I have in the back of my mind the idea of how great the > Continental 0-300 would be in lots of kitplanes. It has been done many times > before. The weight would be comparable to all of the "complications". 0-300s > have 145 H.P. Remember this 6 cylinder engine in the old Cessna Skyhawks up > to 1967? When they put the 150 H.P. Lycomings in the Hawks, you could notice > how smooth the Continental was and the Hawk is a much bigger airframe to > absorb vibration. I drove Corvairs and that 6 cylinder engine is very > smooth also. A smoother running engine will be easier on the avionics, the > airframe, and the Pilot. Last point, turbos or superchargers can get you > more power, but you will be rebuilding the engine sooner, which keeps you on > the ground. Mark has worked is all out where he has been able to amass hours > in the air, and I think that will be my goal also. > > just my thoughts, > John Pellegrino > > - Original Message - > From: "Jose Fuentes" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 9:20 PM > Subject: KR> Turbos on VW Mech. Vs. Elec. > > > > I've been seriously looking at electric turbo's not the cheap ones, but > > some > > of the good ones cost as much as a turbo (300-400) and seem to range from > > 8ps to 12psi. > > > > Alot less plumbing, less weight, can do on/off when off the air flows > > though > > unrestricted. > > > > Also going EFI so there will be an O2 sensor that can increase the fuel fo > > rthe higher air input. > > > > Thoguhts on the subject? > > > > Joe > > > > -- > > Jose Fuentes > > Founding Father (one of and former Vice Prez) of Capital City.NET User's > > Group > > Former Microsoft MVP > > http://blogs.aspadvice.com/jfuentes > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > - > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 1435/3342 - Release Date: 12/27/10 > > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> website change, sunsets
Sorry I didn't notice this was on the KRnet and thought Mike was looking at some pictures Tebo had on our Web. la...@lebanair.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mike Taglieri Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 1:16 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> website change, sunsets Some of these pictures are amazing, but the 10/25/10 one looks like you're flying VFR on top at night (or will be very soon). If so, how do you get home, or do you fly IFR? Mike Taglieri miket--...@juno.com Everyone has his reasons. - Jean Renoir "The Rules of the Game" - Original Message - From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" ; "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: KR> website change, sunsets > After fifteen years, I've ditched hiwaay.net (named after our local TV > station WAAY from which it was spun off), for reasons that raise my blood > pressure unnecessarily to discuss further. For a fraction of the price, > I'm now hosting www.N56ML.com, www.KRnet.com, and several others at > www.Godaddy.com, which is where I've had several of them for years now. > > I flew for maybe a half hour today (the days are way too short, and work > is way too busy), and got two pretty decent sunset pictures. They're at > the top of http://www.n56ml.com/sunsets/ ... > > Mark Langford > ML at N56ML.com > website at http://www.N56ML.com > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> website change, sunsets
If you are leaving our valley you have to find a hole and the rest of the world is usually clear. If you want back in you have to ask the lord for a special favor like another hole or a receding hairline along the mountains. My IFR is roads, rivers and railroads if your current IFRR. We went up thru a hole this summer on our way to CO over on the west side of the valley, we are on the east side, and the whole valley bank to bank was totally obscured in big of beautiful white blanket, as beautiful as I've ever seen after my departure from Antioch CA in the spring of 62 after waiting 2 months for the hole, again on my way to CO. Larry -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mike Taglieri Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 1:16 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> website change, sunsets Some of these pictures are amazing, but the 10/25/10 one looks like you're flying VFR on top at night (or will be very soon). If so, how do you get home, or do you fly IFR? Mike Taglieri miket--...@juno.com Everyone has his reasons. - Jean Renoir "The Rules of the Game" - Original Message - From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" ; "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: KR> website change, sunsets > After fifteen years, I've ditched hiwaay.net (named after our local TV > station WAAY from which it was spun off), for reasons that raise my blood > pressure unnecessarily to discuss further. For a fraction of the price, > I'm now hosting www.N56ML.com, www.KRnet.com, and several others at > www.Godaddy.com, which is where I've had several of them for years now. > > I flew for maybe a half hour today (the days are way too short, and work > is way too busy), and got two pretty decent sunset pictures. They're at > the top of http://www.n56ml.com/sunsets/ ... > > Mark Langford > ML at N56ML.com > website at http://www.N56ML.com > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Rectangular boat building
...beside all the discribed adventures,a big adventure is,not to get a "Banana-boat---and the aerodynamics improve in the wingroot to the fuselage area(you can keep the radius very small--ie.1/2inch or less)
KR> sunsets
I find myself going back to your list of "sunset" photos, sometimes compelled
to find my favorite. However, this is a impossible task, as they all
have exclusive aspects.
Joe
From:Mark Langford
To:KRnet
Sent:Tue, December 28, 2010 5:46:28 AM
Subject:Re: KR> sunsets
Mike Taglieri wrote:
"Some of these pictures are amazing, but the 10/25/10 one looks like you're
flying VFR on top at night (or will be very soon). If so, how do you get
home, or do you fly IFR?"
Keep in mind that most of my sunset pictures are made only a few minutes
away from my home airport, and with more altitude, the trip back is usually
2-3 minutes. And like the text under the 13th photo down ("fire in the
hole") on http://www.n56ml.com/sunsets/ explains, quite often it's clear
over the airport but overcast nearby. So it's pretty easy to climb through
perfectly clear air and on above the edge of the overcast to take pictures
to the west.
Mark Langford
m...@n56ml.com
website www.n56ml.com
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KR> Turbos on VW Mech. Vs. Elec.
It seems to me that adding an expensive electric turbo with all of the associated weight and complications, plus the extra time it will take to sort it all out, to me, would be a lot less attractive than just going to a larger engine. I have in the back of my mind the idea of how great the Continental 0-300 would be in lots of kitplanes. It has been done many times before. The weight would be comparable to all of the "complications". 0-300s have 145 H.P. Remember this 6 cylinder engine in the old Cessna Skyhawks up to 1967? When they put the 150 H.P. Lycomings in the Hawks, you could notice how smooth the Continental was and the Hawk is a much bigger airframe to absorb vibration. I drove Corvairs and that 6 cylinder engine is very smooth also. A smoother running engine will be easier on the avionics, the airframe, and the Pilot. Last point, turbos or superchargers can get you more power, but you will be rebuilding the engine sooner, which keeps you on the ground. Mark has worked is all out where he has been able to amass hours in the air, and I think that will be my goal also. just my thoughts, John Pellegrino - Original Message - From: "Jose Fuentes" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 9:20 PM Subject: KR> Turbos on VW Mech. Vs. Elec. > I've been seriously looking at electric turbo's not the cheap ones, but > some > of the good ones cost as much as a turbo (300-400) and seem to range from > 8ps to 12psi. > > Alot less plumbing, less weight, can do on/off when off the air flows > though > unrestricted. > > Also going EFI so there will be an O2 sensor that can increase the fuel fo > rthe higher air input. > > Thoguhts on the subject? > > Joe > > -- > Jose Fuentes > Founding Father (one of and former Vice Prez) of Capital City.NET User's > Group > Former Microsoft MVP > http://blogs.aspadvice.com/jfuentes > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 1435/3342 - Release Date: 12/27/10 >
KR> sunsets
Mike Taglieri wrote:
"Some of these pictures are amazing, but the 10/25/10 one looks like you're
flying VFR on top at night (or will be very soon). If so, how do you get
home, or do you fly IFR?"
Keep in mind that most of my sunset pictures are made only a few minutes
away from my home airport, and with more altitude, the trip back is usually
2-3 minutes. And like the text under the 13th photo down ("fire in the
hole") on http://www.n56ml.com/sunsets/ explains, quite often it's clear
over the airport but overcast nearby. So it's pretty easy to climb through
perfectly clear air and on above the edge of the overcast to take pictures
to the west.
Mark Langford
m...@n56ml.com
website www.n56ml.com
KR> website change, sunsets
Some of these pictures are amazing, but the 10/25/10 one looks like you're flying VFR on top at night (or will be very soon). If so, how do you get home, or do you fly IFR? Mike Taglieri miket--...@juno.com Everyone has his reasons. - Jean Renoir "The Rules of the Game" - Original Message - From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" ; "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: KR> website change, sunsets > After fifteen years, I've ditched hiwaay.net (named after our local TV > station WAAY from which it was spun off), for reasons that raise my blood > pressure unnecessarily to discuss further. For a fraction of the price, > I'm now hosting www.N56ML.com, www.KRnet.com, and several others at > www.Godaddy.com, which is where I've had several of them for years now. > > I flew for maybe a half hour today (the days are way too short, and work > is way too busy), and got two pretty decent sunset pictures. They're at > the top of http://www.n56ml.com/sunsets/ ... > > Mark Langford > ML at N56ML.com > website at http://www.N56ML.com > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Turbos on VW Mech. Vs. Elec.
electric turbo's - glad you put in the ha ha otherwise it would be a joke! The whole idea of conventional turbos is to utilise the waste energy draining out the exhaust pipes. The only use of 'electric turbos' would be to reduce your cash reserves! - Original Message - From: "Jose Fuentes" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 3:55 PM Subject: Re: KR> Turbos on VW Mech. Vs. Elec. Ha ha, Seems no one has respect for the ones on ebay. http://www.car-forums.com/s7/t248.html Though there are some very valid statements when you think about it, then there is Tomas Knight, seems his name is all over the place when it comes to elec turbos, but his units are 2500 bucks. http://www.boosthead.com/product.php There is alot of good information, though it seems to validate the point, you can't run the turbo at the rate it needs to run to be effective with the power the alt will produce. It can only be run for short hops (good for take offs and maybe stalls, to pull out of them). Though 2500 for a good elec turbo system is a bit out there, sicne it requires extra battries it reduces the weight savings drastically. Seems the cheaper ones are not very valid as they have no tests I could find to back up thier claims. Here are some of the other people: http://www.autoaccessorystore.com/product/MimoUSA-Electric-Supercharger/Default.aspx?dr=1 http://www.electricsupercharger.net/ One would think for 2500 it better work, but I could see alot of people tempted by $100 turbo to just try it out. I'm sure they see some increase, but worth the weight and drain? Joe On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Jose Fuentes wrote: > I've been seriously looking at electric turbo's not the cheap ones, but > some > of the good ones cost as much as a turbo (300-400) and seem to range from > 8ps to 12psi. > > Alot less plumbing, less weight, can do on/off when off the air flows > though > unrestricted. > > Also going EFI so there will be an O2 sensor that can increase the fuel fo > rthe higher air input. > > Thoguhts on the subject? > > Joe > > -- > Jose Fuentes > Founding Father (one of and former Vice Prez) of Capital City.NET User's > Group > Former Microsoft MVP > http://blogs.aspadvice.com/jfuentes > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Jose Fuentes Founding Father (one of and former Vice Prez) of Capital City.NET User's Group Former Microsoft MVP http://blogs.aspadvice.com/jfuentes ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3342 - Release Date: 12/27/10 07:34:00
