KR> Additional testing data with P-mag timing

2013-07-01 Thread PatS 
Lee:
  Where are you located, and what Lancair do you have?  I have a 235 kit 
that I picked up and would like to talk to someone that has been there.
IHS
PatS
Seminary, MS
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From: "Lee Parker" 
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Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Additional testing data with P-mag timing


I had to install two oil coolers on my Lancair. It really helped.


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KR> Additional testing data with P-mag timing

2013-07-01 Thread Randy Powell 
I believe an oil cooler can be added to the o200 if you should choose to do so. 

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Randy Powell
Wachapreague Va 23480


On Jul 1, 2013, at 12:54 PM, "Jeff Scott"  wrote:

> 
> I dialed in the aggressive timing on the P-mags for testing this weekend.  I 
> really don't expect better performance from the additional timing advance.  
> It should have a some additional timing advance with lower manifold pressures 
> at higher altitudes or partial throttle operations (cruise flight) to help 
> with fuel savings.  Bear in mind that I operate from a high altitude airport, 
> so can not pull more than 23.5 inches of MP, so expect some timing advance 
> even during full throttle climb operations.  I found that during climb out, 
> my hottest CHT bumped up from 390 to 405.  That is still acceptable, although 
> on the cusp of what I am comfortable with running.  As soon as I start 
> dialing the throttle back a little, the CHT immediately drops as the throttle 
> plate disturbs the air flow and the fuel mixes and distributes a bit better 
> across the intake spider.  #2 cyl has always been the hottest CHT under full 
> throttle conditions due to an uneven fuel distribution at full throttle, so 
> has become my measuring stick during climb operations.  As soon as the 
> throttle is reduced, the temperature drops into line with the other 
> cylinders.  During today's flight, under cruise conditions the CHTs ranged 
> from 300 - 340*F across all 4, with only #2 (back left) running a bit warm 
> during climb out.
> 
> The biggest issue was the oil temp during cruise flight.  I was cruising with 
> the cowl flap closed and 18.5" MP at 11,500'.  Under those conditions, the 
> timing curve should be fully advanced to 39*.  My oil temp topped out at 
> 220*F and stayed there under those (summertime) conditions.  I was able to 
> drop the oil temp back to 210* by opening the cowl flap, but that also 
> induces a significant amount of drag, which is less than ideal for cruise 
> flight.  This is about 15 degrees warmer than the oil temp was running with 
> the timing curve topped out at 34* under similar conditions.  I am going to 
> leave the timing dialed up while I explore ways to get a bit more cooling air 
> directed at the oil tank (the O-200 does not have an oil cooler).  If I can't 
> get a little better results with the oil temps, I may have to restrict my 
> timing advance to 34* during the summer months and dial up the timing for the 
> fall and winter months.
> 
> This and other write ups are located on my web site at 
> 
> 
> Jeff Scott
> Los Alamos, NM
> 
> 
> 
> 
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KR> Additional testing data with P-mag timing

2013-07-01 Thread Jeff Scott 

I dialed in the aggressive timing on the P-mags for testing this weekend. ?I 
really don't expect better performance from the additional timing advance. ?It 
should have a some additional timing advance with lower manifold pressures at 
higher altitudes or partial throttle operations (cruise flight) to help with 
fuel savings. ?Bear in mind that I operate from a high altitude airport, so can 
not pull more than 23.5 inches of MP, so expect some timing advance even during 
full throttle climb operations. ?I found that during climb out, my hottest CHT 
bumped up from 390 to 405. ?That is still acceptable, although on the cusp of 
what I am comfortable with running. ?As soon as I start dialing the throttle 
back a little, the CHT immediately drops as the throttle plate disturbs the air 
flow and the fuel mixes and distributes a bit better across the intake spider. 
?#2 cyl has always been the hottest CHT under full throttle conditions due to 
an uneven fuel distribution at full throttle, so has become my measuring stick 
during climb operations. ?As soon as the throttle is reduced, the temperature 
drops into line with the other cylinders. ?During today's flight, under cruise 
conditions the CHTs ranged from 300 - 340*F across all 4, with only #2 (back 
left) running a bit warm during climb out.

The biggest issue was the oil temp during cruise flight. ?I was cruising with 
the cowl flap closed and 18.5" MP at 11,500'. ?Under those conditions, the 
timing curve should be fully advanced to 39*. ?My oil temp topped out at 220*F 
and stayed there under those (summertime) conditions. ?I was able to drop the 
oil temp back to 210* by opening the cowl flap, but that also induces a 
significant amount of drag, which is less than ideal for cruise flight. ?This 
is about 15 degrees warmer than the oil temp was running with the timing curve 
topped out at 34* under similar conditions. ?I am going to leave the timing 
dialed up while I explore ways to get a bit more cooling air directed at the 
oil tank (the O-200 does not have an oil cooler). ?If I can't get a little 
better results with the oil temps, I may have to restrict my timing advance to 
34* during the summer months and dial up the timing for the fall and winter 
months.

This and other write ups are located on my web site at 

Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM

KR> Cowling.

2013-07-01 Thread pk.sm...@bigpond.net.au 
If you were Down Under I could help you out with one that looks like this 
http://kr2spacemodulator.blogspot.com.au/2011/04/kr2s-engine-cowl-2.html?m=1

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Subject: KR> Cowling.
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Date: Mon, Jul 1, 2013 9:28 AM


Hey Guys, Do you ever have one of those day's when you wonder why you even 
bothered to get out of bed ? Well today has been that way for me. I have been 
agonizing over how to make the cowling for weeks so yesterday I finally 
committed to a plan of action.I made a big foam block and mounted it on front 
of the o-200a , thinking that I would build the nose bowl first and this would 
be my starting point. Wrong...It looked like crap ! I am now ready to buy a 
nose bowl. I do like the looks of the Holy Cowl on the Lancair and the Cirrus. 
Has anybody stretched one of Williams over an o-200 ? Any suggestions ? I 
forgot to mention that I have already looked at most of the webb sites on the 
KRnet. I have even considered the nose bowl for a Thorpe T18 (MC-7 from A/C 
Spruce), Can you tell that desperation is setting in ?

Mike Sylvester 
kr2s builder 
Birmingham,AL.

Cell no.205-966-3854  
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KR> Cowling.

2013-07-01 Thread Jeff Carney 
Could send pics of the cowlings and you choose which if either would work. If 
so ill send and you see if its what you need. Then send check for worth to you.

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On Jul 1, 2013, at 8:06 AM, Richard Kaczmarek  wrote:

> Where are you located and how much for one?
> 
> Richard
> 937-243-7303
> On Jul 1, 2013 8:21 AM, "Jeff Carney"  wrote:
> 
>> I hav a couple of VW cowlings.  Let me know if I can help.
>> Jeff
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jun 30, 2013, at 7:37 PM, Richard Kaczmarek <
>> fastlittleairplanes at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I would love to find a good used VW cowling since mine is a complete
>> mess,
>>> passed owners did way to many changes put back to stock as it needs to
>> be.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Larry Flesner
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 At 06:28 PM 6/30/2013, you wrote:
 
> Hey Guys, Do you ever have one of those day's when you wonder why you
> even bothered to get out of bed ?
> Mike
 ++**++**
 
 
 Mike,
 
 At some point you may have to bite the bullet and buy one from Steve.
>> I'm
 guessing he has the mold if he got it from Dan Diehl.  Jeff Scott and I
 each purchased one from Dan years ago.  I think his was pulled off
>> Marty's
 KR which morfed its way up from an original VW cowl.  I had to modify my
 cowl over what I purchased but it was a great start.  You might find
 someone that has a VW cowl cheap that they aren't using and start with
>> that.
 
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KR> Cowling.

2013-07-01 Thread Jeff Carney 
Middle Tn. and I'll send you the best one and you send me a check for what it's 
worth to you.  Have some other parts also.  Will send a picture of the KR I fly.

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On Jul 1, 2013, at 8:06 AM, Richard Kaczmarek  wrote:

> Where are you located and how much for one?
> 
> Richard
> 937-243-7303
> On Jul 1, 2013 8:21 AM, "Jeff Carney"  wrote:
> 
>> I hav a couple of VW cowlings.  Let me know if I can help.
>> Jeff
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jun 30, 2013, at 7:37 PM, Richard Kaczmarek <
>> fastlittleairplanes at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I would love to find a good used VW cowling since mine is a complete
>> mess,
>>> passed owners did way to many changes put back to stock as it needs to
>> be.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Larry Flesner
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 At 06:28 PM 6/30/2013, you wrote:
 
> Hey Guys, Do you ever have one of those day's when you wonder why you
> even bothered to get out of bed ?
> Mike
 ++**++**
 
 
 Mike,
 
 At some point you may have to bite the bullet and buy one from Steve.
>> I'm
 guessing he has the mold if he got it from Dan Diehl.  Jeff Scott and I
 each purchased one from Dan years ago.  I think his was pulled off
>> Marty's
 KR which morfed its way up from an original VW cowl.  I had to modify my
 cowl over what I purchased but it was a great start.  You might find
 someone that has a VW cowl cheap that they aren't using and start with
>> that.
 
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KR> Cowling.

2013-07-01 Thread Jeff Carney 
I hav a couple of VW cowlings.  Let me know if I can help.
Jeff

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On Jun 30, 2013, at 7:37 PM, Richard Kaczmarek  wrote:

> I would love to find a good used VW cowling since mine is a complete mess,
> passed owners did way to many changes put back to stock as it needs to be.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Larry Flesner
> wrote:
> 
>> At 06:28 PM 6/30/2013, you wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Guys, Do you ever have one of those day's when you wonder why you
>>> even bothered to get out of bed ?
>>> Mike
>> ++**++**
>> 
>> 
>> Mike,
>> 
>> At some point you may have to bite the bullet and buy one from Steve.  I'm
>> guessing he has the mold if he got it from Dan Diehl.  Jeff Scott and I
>> each purchased one from Dan years ago.  I think his was pulled off Marty's
>> KR which morfed its way up from an original VW cowl.  I had to modify my
>> cowl over what I purchased but it was a great start.  You might find
>> someone that has a VW cowl cheap that they aren't using and start with that.
>> 
>> Larry Flesner
>> 
>> 
>> 
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