KR> 2013 KR Gathering Trip - Very Long Story.

[mfreeman2 at indy.rr.com]

Well, you fared better than I did. Glad you were OK.

 Dan Heath  wrote: 
> I am not sure why the engine quit, but I have a guess at it.  I went around
> several times trying to land and after having had the engine quit, at
> another time, when on a lean setting and giving throttle to go around, I
> realized that I should have had it on rich to be pushing in the throttle
> quickly.  So, on my first approach, I put the mixture to rich, and left it
> there.  I think that by pulling back to idle on each attempt with the
> mixture rich, the plugs had loaded up, so when the airspeed got really low
> upon getting the wheels on the ground, there was not enough air passing over
> the prop to keep it running at that low throttle setting and the plugs had
> probably loaded up with too much lead.  I won't make that mistake again.  I
> often wonder, how many mistakes is a person allowed before it is all over?
> 
> Given the high winds, I could have landed under power at around 100 mph
> airspeed and still touched down under 80 ground speed and been perfectly
> safe.  I think physical exhaustion played a part in it, having not gotten
> much rest for two days and then making the long trip.  I was worn out.
> There is a lot to this flying thing that we don't always think about.  I
> hope I live long enough, I am over 70, to get it figured out.
> 
> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics?
> 
> Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
> Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
> Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
> Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
> Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
> 
> Daniel R. Heath -?Lexington, SC
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> Were you able to figure out why your  engine quit? 
> 
> 
> 
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[David Peterson]

may have nose gear but would have to take the wing gear also?
Dave



On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:05 PM, Randy Moore  
wrote:


I am in need of a revmaster to put my KR II single seat, could also use a nose 
gear? trhanks

Randy Moore
731 589 1330
avid mark IV
KR II project

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[Randy Moore]

 I am in need of a revmaster to put my KR II single seat, could also use a nose 
gear  trhanks

Randy Moore
731 589 1330
avid mark IV
KR II project

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KR> 2013 KR Gathering Trip - Very Long Story.

[Dan Heath]

I am not sure why the engine quit, but I have a guess at it.  I went around
several times trying to land and after having had the engine quit, at
another time, when on a lean setting and giving throttle to go around, I
realized that I should have had it on rich to be pushing in the throttle
quickly.  So, on my first approach, I put the mixture to rich, and left it
there.  I think that by pulling back to idle on each attempt with the
mixture rich, the plugs had loaded up, so when the airspeed got really low
upon getting the wheels on the ground, there was not enough air passing over
the prop to keep it running at that low throttle setting and the plugs had
probably loaded up with too much lead.  I won't make that mistake again.  I
often wonder, how many mistakes is a person allowed before it is all over?

Given the high winds, I could have landed under power at around 100 mph
airspeed and still touched down under 80 ground speed and been perfectly
safe.  I think physical exhaustion played a part in it, having not gotten
much rest for two days and then making the long trip.  I was worn out.
There is a lot to this flying thing that we don't always think about.  I
hope I live long enough, I am over 70, to get it figured out.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics?

Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 

Daniel R. Heath -?Lexington, SC



-Original Message-

Were you able to figure out why your  engine quit? 

KR> 2013 KR Gathering Trip - Very Long Story.

[Lee Van Dyke]

Great job I'm deleting the long previous story. It is KR  net etiquette if you 
are to reply to delete the prior message just respond. Congratulations to you. 
Some others need to remember this rule

Lee Van Dyke

> On Feb 12, 2014, at 2:37 PM, "ppaulvsk at aol.com"  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm Sorry to hear about your plane.  I can't imagine how you feel 

KR> 2013 KR Gathering Trip - Very Long Story.

[brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com]

I seem to remember that you had an Ellison.  None of the throttle body
carbs have accelerator pumps.  Neither do the Zenith carbs that Great
Plains sells for the VW or some of the other varieties that we use on
VWs and Vairs.  You must always remember on a carb without an
accelerator pump that you need to apply the throttle no faster than a
few seconds from idle to full throttle.  Try it on the ground and get a
feel for how fast you can shove the throttle in before you panic and do
it in the air.



 Original Message 
Subject: Re: KR> 2013 KR Gathering Trip - Very Long Story.
From: "Dan Heath" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wed, February 12, 2014 2:53 pm
To: "'KRnet'" 

I am not sure why the engine quit, but I have a guess at it. I went
around
several times trying to land and after having had the engine quit, at
another time, when on a lean setting and giving throttle to go around, I
realized that I should have had it on rich to be pushing in the throttle
quickly. So, on my first approach, I put the mixture to rich, and left
it
there. I think that by pulling back to idle on each attempt with the
mixture rich, the plugs had loaded up, so when the airspeed got really
low
upon getting the wheels on the ground, there was not enough air passing
over
the prop to keep it running at that low throttle setting and the plugs
had
probably loaded up with too much lead. I won't make that mistake again.
I
often wonder, how many mistakes is a person allowed before it is all
over?

Given the high winds, I could have landed under power at around 100 mph
airspeed and still touched down under 80 ground speed and been perfectly
safe. I think physical exhaustion played a part in it, having not gotten
much rest for two days and then making the long trip. I was worn out.
There is a lot to this flying thing that we don't always think about. I
hope I live long enough, I am over 70, to get it figured out.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 

Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 

Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC



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KR> 2013 KR Gathering Trip - Very Long Story.

[ppaul...@aol.com]

I'm Sorry to hear about your plane.  I can't imagine how you feel after putting 
 all that work into the glass panel.  
Were you able to figure out why your  engine quit? 

Paul Visk
Belleville Il
618-406-4705 

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KR> 2013 KR Gathering Trip - Very Long Story.

[Dan Heath]

Fools that they are.  LOL...



My Panther Building Documentation at  
PantherBuilder Web Site



Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC



But you are OK and will fly again.  I know it sucks not being able to fly
the plane you love so much.  I have been there a few times now with my KR in
the trees, my Clipper blown into our glider club trailer by a microburst or
small tornado, my Pacer ground looped by a friend, and a prop strike causing
a three week engine rebuild.  Can't keep me down and won't keep you down
either.  And for some reason AIG keeps selling me insurance at a good rate.





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Subject: KR> 2013 KR Gathering Trip - Very Long Story.

From: "Dan Heath" <  danrh at windstream.net>

List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tue, February 11, 2014 4:13 pm

To: "'KRnet'" <  krnet at list.krnet.org>



I realize that a lot of time has passed since the Gathering last October. I
have planned on writing about the trip, but could not either bring myself to
do it, or did not think about doing so when I had the time.





After having worked diligently for almost a year, building and installing
wing tanks, removing the header tank, and installing my new Corvair engine,
in 2012, I was ready to head to the Gathering that year only to be sorely
disappointed by the onset of bad weather. Then arriving at Mt. Vernon, to
find that the weather was great for the duration, I was determined to make
the 2013 event.





But, not being able to help myself, I decided to install a new instrument
panel, which resulted in a complete re-wiring of the aircraft. I was able to
complete the task several weeks before Gathering time and just in time to go
to Camden to get my new Dynon Mode S transponder, certified. However, on the
trip back to CUB from Camden, I bounced and landed a little too much nose
down, which unknown to me at the time, caused the prop tip to strike and
severely damaged the prop. In an almost panic, I cried out to the KR Family
for help and it was not long before help arrived in the form of a Sterba
prop from Mark Langford. I could not install the spinner, so had to fly to
the Gathering without one. The important thing is that it got me and the
Black Bird to the annual celebration.





I departed CUB at about 10 am on Thursday morning, intending to fly on auto
pilot at 8500 ft, under ATC control. So, right after takeoff, I contacted
CAE and was set in the system and proceeded to climb to 8500. While
climbing, I tried to activate the Autopilot, which tested perfectly on the
ground, but it would not acquire. I kept getting an error on one of the
servos, so accepted the fact that I would be doing all the flying. 





The flight was un-eventful as I was passed from station to station on the
route to MVN. Not long after I started flying over the Smokey Mountains, I
began to encounter scattered clouds and did not want to get stuck below
them, so called for permission to climb to clear the clouds and permission
was granted to climb and remain VFR. This was repeated several times as I
got closer to the mountain range peak, which on my route was 6000 ft. I
began to see towering clouds in the distance and could tell that they were
thunder storms as confirmed by my Dynon Skyview. It was so cool to watch the
two towers grow, one taller than the other, until the tall one began to
break up at the top and the other stopped growing These towers were 2 or

3

thousand feet apart, and I had my sight set on flying between them. I knew
that once I cleared those, I would be heading down the other side of the
mountain range into the valley to my fuel stop. I had been climbing for
quite some time as I was almost mesmerized by the cloud cover and the two
towers that I was about to travel between. I could not help thinking about
what was happening and how impossible it might seem to some who had never
experienced such an adventure. It was almost like I was not there, like I
was outside of myself, watching a guy who built a box with wings on it,
flying between two towering clouds, a lot like I had experienced when
travelling in an airline. But it was me inside that box and as I was about
to cross over the peak and head down the other side to Upper Cumberland
Regional Airport in Tennessee, when I happened to notice that the Black
Bird's Corvair engine had taken us to almost 14,000 feet. I then realized
that I had been over 10,000 for some time now and began to check my physical
condition to be sure that I was not suffering from any delusions. I seemed
OK, but knew that I had to get down soon, so pointed the nose down, pulled
the power a bit and cruised to the airport, calling ATC that I was
descending to my destination, or something like that.





While on the ground, I received a phone call from my friend James Clark, who
had been following me via my Mode S transponder and some software package.

It was pretty 

KR> 2013 KR Gathering Trip - Very Long Story.

[brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com]

But you are OK and will fly again.  I know it sucks not being able to
fly the plane you love so much.  I have been there a few times now with
my KR in the trees, my Clipper blown into our glider club trailer by a
microburst or small tornado, my Pacer ground looped by a friend, and a
prop strike causing a three week engine rebuild.  Can't keep me down and
won't keep you down either.  And for some reason AIG keeps selling me
insurance at a good rate.


 Original Message 
Subject: KR> 2013 KR Gathering Trip - Very Long Story.
From: "Dan Heath" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tue, February 11, 2014 4:13 pm
To: "'KRnet'" 

I realize that a lot of time has passed since the Gathering last
October. I
have planned on writing about the trip, but could not either bring
myself to
do it, or did not think about doing so when I had the time.



After having worked diligently for almost a year, building and
installing
wing tanks, removing the header tank, and installing my new Corvair
engine,
in 2012, I was ready to head to the Gathering that year only to be
sorely
disappointed by the onset of bad weather. Then arriving at Mt. Vernon,
to
find that the weather was great for the duration, I was determined to
make
the 2013 event.



But, not being able to help myself, I decided to install a new
instrument
panel, which resulted in a complete re-wiring of the aircraft. I was
able
to complete the task several weeks before Gathering time and just in
time to
go to Camden to get my new Dynon Mode S transponder, certified. However,
on
the trip back to CUB from Camden, I bounced and landed a little too much
nose down, which unknown to me at the time, caused the prop tip to
strike
and severely damaged the prop. In an almost panic, I cried out to the KR
Family for help and it was not long before help arrived in the form of a
Sterba prop from Mark Langford. I could not install the spinner, so had
to
fly to the Gathering without one. The important thing is that it got me
and
the Black Bird to the annual celebration.



I departed CUB at about 10 am on Thursday morning, intending to fly on
auto
pilot at 8500 ft, under ATC control. So, right after takeoff, I
contacted
CAE and was set in the system and proceeded to climb to 8500. While
climbing, I tried to activate the Autopilot, which tested perfectly on
the
ground, but it would not acquire. I kept getting an error on one of the
servos, so accepted the fact that I would be doing all the flying. 



The flight was un-eventful as I was passed from station to station on
the
route to MVN. Not long after I started flying over the Smokey Mountains,
I
began to encounter scattered clouds and did not want to get stuck below
them, so called for permission to climb to clear the clouds and
permission
was granted to climb and remain VFR. This was repeated several times as
I
got closer to the mountain range peak, which on my route was 6000 ft. I
began to see towering clouds in the distance and could tell that they
were
thunder storms as confirmed by my Dynon Skyview. It was so cool to watch
the two towers grow, one taller than the other, until the tall one began
to
break up at the top and the other stopped growing These towers were 2 or
3
thousand feet apart, and I had my sight set on flying between them. I
knew
that once I cleared those, I would be heading down the other side of the
mountain range into the valley to my fuel stop. I had been climbing for
quite some time as I was almost mesmerized by the cloud cover and the
two
towers that I was about to travel between. I could not help thinking
about
what was happening and how impossible it might seem to some who had
never
experienced such an adventure. It was almost like I was not there, like
I
was outside of myself, watching a guy who built a box with wings on it,
flying between two towering clouds, a lot like I had experienced when
travelling in an airline. But it was me inside that box and as I was
about
to cross over the peak and head down the other side to Upper Cumberland
Regional Airport in Tennessee, when I happened to notice that the Black
Bird's Corvair engine had taken us to almost 14,000 feet. I then
realized
that I had been over 10,000 for some time now and began to check my
physical
condition to be sure that I was not suffering from any delusions. I
seemed
OK, but knew that I had to get down soon, so pointed the nose down,
pulled
the power a bit and cruised to the airport, calling ATC that I was
descending to my destination, or something like that.



While on the ground, I received a phone call from my friend James Clark,
who
had been following me via my Mode S transponder and some software
package.
It was pretty cool. He checked the weather from there to MVN and advised
me
to fly at about 4000 ft for the rest of the trip and I would have no
weather
problems. He was right, but it was bumpy and hazy. I much preferred
flying
in the smooth air why up high. It was not too long before I was
anticipating MVN and when I 

KR> KR-2S Project for sale

[Tim Brown]

first posting did not have text attached, for whatever reason

reply only to timwbrown at yahoo.com

This project is well on its way.? You can see it on KR page that shows 
projectsTim Brown.? Boat done, tail feathers done, flight controls done.? 
Almost everything needed to finish is included including all KR 
prefabs...turtle deck, front deck, canopy and frame, gas tank.? Also 
included?are strobes, clothe, peelply and so much more.? Finally, included is 
Revmaster 2100 and engine mount.? Really not much left to purchase.? Will 
entertain all reasonable offers.?