KR> Maneuvers

[Mac McConnell-Wood]

I think one was tested to destruction on a rig in Aus (do you recall Phil?).
The thing was the failure occurred at the fuselage -the Waf's were OK.
Mac  G-BVZJ


On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Sparky said,
>
> "I saw the Muses 2 kr2's at a KR fly in @ Covington, Tn. They both were
> very nicely built.
> I knew Brad Hummel who was killed in his along with Patty Helton.at Pope
> Valley. Came apart in the air."
>
> *
>
> I looked back in the archives and found this description.
>
> I wonder if Brad Hummel was related in some way to Morry Hummel?
>
> Mike
> KSEE
>
>
>
> ate: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:15:14 -0700
> To: 
> From: "Robert X. Cringely" bob at cringely.com>
> Subject: Re: KR> RE:WAF'S AGAIN?
>
> There WAS a spar failure of the GB-2, a rip-off KR-2 clone, at the
> first KR Gathering in Pope Valley , CA around 1980.  I'm not sure
> this failure actually proves anything, but since I was there at the
> time the story probably bears repeating.
>
> The GB-2 was a KR-2 with entirely pre-molded skins.  Jeanette Rand
> hired a guy to do some glass parts for the KR-2 (not the current
> parts, by the way).  He built molds, made some fairly lousy parts for
> Jeanette (if you ever bought a KR-1 turbo cowl, you know what I mean
> -- it was close to useless the trimming was so bad) but then claimed
> ownership of the molds.  Jeanette, who felt that she had paid for the
> molds and ought to own them, was furious.  Then it got even worse
> when the guy announced his new kitplane, the GB-2.  It used
> ripped-off KR-2 plans, parts made from molds paid for by Jeanette and
> additional parts from other molds.  A few ads ran in Sport Aviation.
>
> Jeanette's response was to take her business to Jim Kern at Task
> Research.  She paid for a completely new set of molds (the current
> ones) which were much better quality and which were clearly owned by
> Rand-Robinson.
>
> Meanwhile, the GB-2 guy, whose name I forget, apparently decided that
> the KR Gathering was a good place to introduce his aircraft and sell
> a few kits.  Alas, the Gathering was only six weeks away.  No
> problemo.  He built a prototype GB-2 in six weeks using parts
> gathered here and there and "flying off" the required test time with
> a Bic pen.  At the Gathering, the guy  spent much of one day doing
> fast diving passes at 240 IAS (I took one of those rides and that's
> the number I saw).  Understand that the GB-2 builder weighed
> substantially over 200 lbs.  In the afternoon, the wind picked up and
> things got quite bumpy.  Many people stopped flying, but not the
> GB-2.  I was standing next to Rex Taylor of Hapi Engines when the
> GB-2 passed down the flight line and shed a wing, immediately rolling
> into the ground and tumbling a short distance.  There were no
> survivors.
>
> The GB-2 builder was dead, of course, as was his female passenger.
> So much for the GB-2.  The crash investigation found that the front
> center section spar had failed in compression on one side.  The
> problem wasn't the spar design and it wasn't the attach fittings or
> the bolts.  To make the Gathering, the GB-2 guy had used a center
> section spar rejected by another builder who had made a mistake
> drilling the WAF holes.  The GB-2 guy HADN'T BOTHERED TO FILL THE BAD
> HOLES and just drilled new ones alongside, weakening the wood and
> leading to the compression failure.
>
> A few hardwood dowels and a little epoxy and that guy might be here
> today.
>
> It is a testament to the KR over design, I suppose, that this guy was
> able to spend a whole morning doing 4-G pull-ups at 240 IAS at least
> 200 lbs over gross (I later heard the GB-2 prototype empty weight was
> around 800 lbs.).  It wasn't until a little turbulence was added
> that the wretched thing finally fell apart.
>
> By the way, that was my second and last ride in a KR-2, the first
> being an equally scary experience with Kenny Rand.  Since then it has
> been all KR-1 and the only idiot in the cockpit has been me.
>
> Bob
>
> At 8:45 AM -0500 7/10/02, Mark Langford wrote:
> >
> >
> >I also think it's important to mention that there has never been a
> reported
> >spar or WAF failure on a KR (to my knowledge), and there are some pretty
> >heavy ones out there doing some pretty amazing things...
> >
> 
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KR> Gathering transportation

[Ray Fuenzalida]

I will also be arriving on the 3rd.  About 11:00a.m.  Southwest. Cell is 
504-616-9098
Ray

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Dan Heath via KRnet  wrote:

>I am arriving 11 am and have a car reserved.  I will be honored to be your
>chauffer.  I am on Southwest flight 200 out of MDW.  Paul Visk and his son
>are on the same flight.
>
> 
>
>See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
>the pics 
>
> 
>
>Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 
>
>Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 
>
>Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 
>
>Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 
>
>Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 
>
> 
>
>Best Interior and Panel at 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
>
> 
>
> 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Flesner via
>KRnet
>Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:41 PM
>To: krnet at list.krnet.org
>Subject: KR> Gathering transportation
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>I'm still waiting for my medical to clear in order to fly my KR to the
>Gathering.  If that doesn't happen, I plan to fly commercial to Ontario
>airport.  Is there anyone in the area that could offer a ride to Chino.  If
>so,  Shoot me back your cell phone number to  "
> flesner at frontier.com "  and I'll keep you
>posted on my schedule.  Thanks...
>
> 
>
>Larry Flesner 
>
> 
>
> 
>
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KR> Nvaero

[Dan Heath]

All you have to do is say "lawyer" to someone in aviation, if you really
want to get on the wrong side of them.  If a person is already spouting out
"lawyer", you may prefer that they don't build any airplane.



See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
the pics 



Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 



Best Interior and Panel at 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN





Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC





-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Tony King via
KRnet
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:20 PM
To: Marc Baca; KRnet
Cc: Kyle Gonterwitz
Subject: Re: KR> Nvaero



You know that's all well and good, and I'm certainly hoping Steve's still
willing to do what he does when the time comes that I need some of his
products, but at the same time, if someone new to the community asks an
inappropriate question (and to my mind Kyle's question wasn't entirely out
of order - three weeks is a long time to go without even an acknowledgment,
especially if you don't know the business you're dealing with), is it really
appropriate to be saying "we don't want you building a KR"?  Steve's
obviously under a lot of pressure to be responding to customers in that way.



Kyle, don't take this experience as representative of how members of the KR
community are normally welcomed.



TK



Sent from my iPad



On 30 Aug 2014, at 5:18 am, Marc Baca via KRnet <
 krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:



Hello KR Netters;



I feel compelled to step in here to give KR Netters some insight into the
Herculean efforts consistently endeavored upon by Steve Glover of NVAero
over the last few months   Aside from his arduous labor intensive company
and primary business that he owns and runs, he operates NVAero as a service
to the KR Community. I say "service to the KR community" because given the
efforts to fulfill orders, overhead and cost of materials, there is little
or no profit in it.  





I (volunteer) assist him on a part time basis in exchange for him imparting
onto me the skills necessary to build safe aircraft. I get to witness the
trials and tribulations of getting orders filled for buyers.  As if running
one and a half businesses, providing technical support to builders and
running around gathering materials/tools for kit/part orders  and building
the parts was not enough, he/we took on the task of preparing for and
hosting the 2014 KR Gathering.  mostly because of his/our enthusiam for
KR's.



Steve has overcome quite a few obstacles in preparation for the gathering
and has done so in an effort to make this gathering successful, memorable
and comfortable for all of us.  He has planned and coordinated the workshops
that required extensive amounts of time, effort and material gathering to
increase KR builder's skill level. He battled with the airport
administration for the camp ground, he coordinated the awards and the site
for the banquet, he sampled caterers, we have worked on available KR
aircraft to prepare tem for the formation flight around So. Cal. etc etc..
Based on the intensity and amount of work he has gone through over the last
few months, Steve has been quite modest ... and as such he hasn't complained
even once about leaving his regular jobs at the end of the work day to tend
to  Hangar and Gathering demands til 11:00 pm almost every day for the last
few months.   





Im proposing that we cut him a break and perhaps offer to lend a hand... If
you've placed an order please consider just having a little more patience
for the moment.  If you are not planning to come to the gathering, please
re-consider & make an effort to attend.   This KR Gathering is expected to
be memorable and we would be elated to have you here. At the few gatherings
I've been to I've experienced a strong sense of comradery and enthusiasm as
well as a very important sharing of information about building.  If you can
fly in or drag a KR to show or sell, that would be better.  





I use Kayak.com for good deals on airline tickets.  



Below are a couple of short video about past gatherings.



  https://vimeo.com/50813916



  https://vimeo.com/50812971



Marc Baca

East Los Angeles

N13UG   KR-2



N31SB KR-1







On Friday, August 29, 2014 10:57 AM, Steve G. via KRnet <
 krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:







You know. I don't think we want you as a builder. I will be refunding you
money and be canceling your order. 



Steve Glover



Sent from my iPhone



> On Aug 29, 2014, at 10:51, Kyle Gonterwitz via KRnet <
 krnet 

KR> Weight and Balance

[Sid Wood]

Did the first flight on my KR-2 this morning after moving the engine 
2-inches forward from the plans call-out.  (This was the fourth flight on 
this aircraft.)  Weight and balance measurements showed my take-off cg with 
me onboard and half fuel to be 12.6 inches from the stub wing datum.  Plans 
allowable range is 8 to 16 inches.  Seemed to have an adverse aft cg 
apparent at lift off.  Thought it may have been the pitch trim.  That was 
working, but not enough to trim out the stick pressure tending to pitch up. 
Flew around the airport at 3,000 feet for half an hour trying to explore the 
stall and handling characteristics.  Stall was about 40 Kts indicated; 
definitely had a pitch up problem at any speed.  So, did not do a full stall 
break.
On landing wind was 4 Kts quartering from the left.  Had some turbulence at 
touchdown with 50 Kts indicated airspeed.  Instead of the nose pitching down 
with main gear touching as I had expected, the nose pitched up.  I ran out 
of forward elevator authority as the tail skid touched down hard.  That put 
the mains back on the asphalt hard.  Bounced airborne, then did an ugly 
three point landing.  I managed to keep it on the ground, but ran off the 
left side of the runway and stopped in the grass.  The engine had stopped 
some time after the first touch down.  Amazing how suddenly quiet it gets 
when nothing is moving.  The entire landing sequence from first touch to 
full stop took less than 5 seconds, it seemed.  The prop blade sticking 
straight up in front of me looked ok, so I restarted the engine and taxied 
back to the hangar.  I am thankful for that 9-1/2 inch prop ground 
clearance.

Only apparent damage was a scuffed tail skid.
Good news is the oil temperature never exceeded 162 degrees F.  The new 
Revmaster oil cooler system worked ok.

Will definitely revisit the weight and balance, and get the main wheels to 
the correct 20 inch location.  Next flight will be in dead-calm wind 
conditions!

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA

KR> Nvaero

[Kyle Gonterwitz]

I am sorry, I had no idea, I just joined the listservs a few days ago.

I have had some bad experiences with internet site stores before, I was
just asking advice, not meant to offend.  I guess it came across badly.

Of you are organizing the gathering, that is a great reason for any delay,
I'm not complaining, just asking, I was excited to get started.

Please forgive me?  I talky like the KR.

On Aug 29, 2014 12:56 PM, "Steve G."  wrote:

> You know. I don't think we want you as a builder. I will be refunding you
> money and be canceling your order.
>
> Steve Glover
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 29, 2014, at 10:51, Kyle Gonterwitz via KRnet <
> krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > I ordered KR2s plans from nvaero about three weeks ago, paid, and have
> > heard nothing back yet.  My order status is "waiting to be fulfilled".
> >
> > Please advise if this was the appropriate way to obtain official plans
> and
> > if this is a  trustworthy company.  How long should I expect to wait for
> a
> > response or order fulfillment before I contact my attorney general?
> >
> > Kyle
> > ___
> > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.
> > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org
> > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
> > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to
> change options
>

KR> Nvaero

[Christopher Pryce]

Steve has been very busy planning/hosting the kr gathering while juggling
working a full time job and running nvaero. The wait time may be longer
than an online business you are used to but you will get your product. He
is also very good at replying to inquiries in a timely manner which is
probably what you should've done instead of asking on here.

Chris Pryce

KR> Weight and Balance

[Lawrence Bell]

Glad you made it OK, Sid. Hope you can relocate your wheels without too
much expense and find your pitch up problem.
Larry Bell


On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Sid Wood via KRnet 
wrote:

> Did the first flight on my KR-2 this morning after moving the engine
> 2-inches forward from the plans call-out.  (This was the fourth flight on
> this aircraft.)  Weight and balance measurements showed my take-off cg with
> me onboard and half fuel to be 12.6 inches from the stub wing datum.  Plans
> allowable range is 8 to 16 inches.  Seemed to have an adverse aft cg
> apparent at lift off.  Thought it may have been the pitch trim.  That was
> working, but not enough to trim out the stick pressure tending to pitch up.
> Flew around the airport at 3,000 feet for half an hour trying to explore
> the stall and handling characteristics.  Stall was about 40 Kts indicated;
> definitely had a pitch up problem at any speed.  So, did not do a full
> stall break.
> On landing wind was 4 Kts quartering from the left.  Had some turbulence
> at touchdown with 50 Kts indicated airspeed.  Instead of the nose pitching
> down with main gear touching as I had expected, the nose pitched up.  I ran
> out of forward elevator authority as the tail skid touched down hard.  That
> put the mains back on the asphalt hard.  Bounced airborne, then did an ugly
> three point landing.  I managed to keep it on the ground, but ran off the
> left side of the runway and stopped in the grass.  The engine had stopped
> some time after the first touch down.  Amazing how suddenly quiet it gets
> when nothing is moving.  The entire landing sequence from first touch to
> full stop took less than 5 seconds, it seemed.  The prop blade sticking
> straight up in front of me looked ok, so I restarted the engine and taxied
> back to the hangar.  I am thankful for that 9-1/2 inch prop ground
> clearance.
>
> Only apparent damage was a scuffed tail skid.
> Good news is the oil temperature never exceeded 162 degrees F.  The new
> Revmaster oil cooler system worked ok.
>
> Will definitely revisit the weight and balance, and get the main wheels to
> the correct 20 inch location.  Next flight will be in dead-calm wind
> conditions!
>
> Sid Wood
> Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
> Mechanicsville, MD, USA
>
>
>
>
> ___
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KR> Nvaero

[Michael Lineback]

Kyle,

If you had been following the list and paying attention you would understand 
that Steve has been beyond busy trying to put together a KR gathering.   

Don't be a jerk, contact Steve.   This list is not appropriate for your mail.  
Besides you are most likely going to get Flamed at a minimum.Steve has a 
pretty good rep in the KR community.

Why not listen and hold your fire before you have to pry a foot out of your 
mouth?

My 2 cents

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Kyle Gonterwitz via KRnet  list.krnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I ordered KR2s plans from nvaero about three weeks ago, paid, and have
> heard nothing back yet.  My order status is "waiting to be fulfilled".
> 
> Please advise if this was the appropriate way to obtain official plans and
> if this is a  trustworthy company.  How long should I expect to wait for a
> response or order fulfillment before I contact my attorney general?
> 
> Kyle
> ___
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> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org
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KR> Nvaero

[Kyle Gonterwitz]

I ordered KR2s plans from nvaero about three weeks ago, paid, and have
heard nothing back yet.  My order status is "waiting to be fulfilled".

Please advise if this was the appropriate way to obtain official plans and
if this is a  trustworthy company.  How long should I expect to wait for a
response or order fulfillment before I contact my attorney general?

Kyle

KR> Nvaero

[Marc Baca]

Hello KR Netters;

I feel compelled to step in here to give KR Netters some insight into the 
Herculean efforts consistently endeavored upon by Steve Glover of NVAero over 
the last few months   Aside from his arduous labor intensive company and 
primary business that he owns and runs, he operates NVAero as a service to the 
KR Community. I say "service to the KR community" because given the efforts to 
fulfill orders, overhead and cost of materials, there is little or no profit in 
it.  


I (volunteer) assist him on a part time basis in exchange for him imparting 
onto me the skills necessary to build safe aircraft. I get to witness the 
trials and tribulations of getting orders filled for buyers.  As if running one 
and a half businesses, providing technical support to builders and running 
around gathering materials/tools for kit/part orders  and building the parts 
was not enough, he/we took on the task of preparing for and hosting the 2014 KR 
Gathering.  mostly because of his/our enthusiam for KR's.

Steve has overcome quite a few obstacles in preparation for the gathering and 
has done so in an effort to make this gathering successful, memorable and 
comfortable for all of us.  He has planned and coordinated the workshops that 
required extensive amounts of time, effort and material gathering to increase 
KR builder's skill level. He battled with the airport administration for the 
camp ground, he coordinated the awards and the site for the banquet, he sampled 
caterers, we have worked on available KR aircraft to prepare tem for the 
formation flight around So. Cal. etc etc..   Based on the intensity and amount 
of work he has gone through over the last few months, Steve has been quite 
modest ... and as such he hasn't complained even once about leaving his regular 
jobs at the end of the work day to tend to  Hangar and Gathering demands til 
11:00 pm almost every day for the last few months.   


Im proposing that we cut him a break and perhaps offer to lend a hand... If 
you've placed an order please consider just having a little more patience for 
the moment.  If you are not planning to come to the gathering, please 
re-consider & make an effort to attend.   This KR Gathering is expected to be 
memorable and we would be elated to have you here. At the few gatherings I've 
been to I've experienced a strong sense of comradery and enthusiasm as well as 
a very important sharing of information about building.  If you can fly in or 
drag a KR to show or sell, that would be better.  


I use Kayak.com for good deals on airline tickets.  

Below are a couple of short video about past gatherings.

https://vimeo.com/50813916

https://vimeo.com/50812971

Marc Baca
East Los Angeles
N13UG   KR-2

N31SB KR-1



On Friday, August 29, 2014 10:57 AM, Steve G. via KRnet  wrote:



You know. I don't think we want you as a builder. I will be refunding you money 
and be canceling your order. 

Steve Glover

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 29, 2014, at 10:51, Kyle Gonterwitz via KRnet  list.krnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I ordered KR2s plans from nvaero about three weeks ago, paid, and have
> heard nothing back yet.  My order status is "waiting to be fulfilled".
> 
> Please advise if this was the appropriate way to obtain official plans and
> if this is a  trustworthy company.  How long should I expect to wait for a
> response or order fulfillment before I contact my attorney general?
> 
> Kyle
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KR> KR2 to KR2S conversion?

[Christopher Pryce]

Gary,

All you need to do is go to nvaero.com and purchase the kr2s supplement
plans. They are a few drawings that outline the differences between the
two. Your kr2 plans will still be used.

Chris Pryce
Burlington, NJ

KR> Nvaero

[Steve G.]

You know. I don't think we want you as a builder. I will be refunding you money 
and be canceling your order. 

Steve Glover

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 29, 2014, at 10:51, Kyle Gonterwitz via KRnet  list.krnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I ordered KR2s plans from nvaero about three weeks ago, paid, and have
> heard nothing back yet.  My order status is "waiting to be fulfilled".
> 
> Please advise if this was the appropriate way to obtain official plans and
> if this is a  trustworthy company.  How long should I expect to wait for a
> response or order fulfillment before I contact my attorney general?
> 
> Kyle
> ___
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KR> Pope Valley Crash

[laser147 at juno.com]

Here's the link to the thread where I found the description I posted
earlier.  Interesting reading with more information and details.  

http://www.bouyea.net/digests/2002/20020711Issue472.txt

This is taken from the same thread:

Don't know this will help, but I know for fact the wing and WAF's will =
take the loads if made right. I have the KR100 from Kevin Kelly, we =
raced it in Reno and other places.To race the plane you have to do a =
sustained 5 g pull on the airframe, every two years.It qualified in Reno
=
@262 one year.It has the KR 2 wing. If this helps. cool !

Doug
*
Mike Stirewalt
KSEE

The #1 Worst Carb Ever?
Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar Dont Eat This!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5400bda0b5f323da06f30st04vuc

KR> Maneuvers

[laser147 at juno.com]

Sparky said, 

"I saw the Muses 2 kr2's at a KR fly in @ Covington, Tn. They both were
very nicely built.
I knew Brad Hummel who was killed in his along with Patty Helton.at Pope
Valley. Came apart in the air."

*

I looked back in the archives and found this description.  

I wonder if Brad Hummel was related in some way to Morry Hummel?

Mike
KSEE



ate: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:15:14 -0700
To: 
From: "Robert X. Cringely" bob at cringely.com>
Subject: Re: KR> RE:WAF'S AGAIN?

There WAS a spar failure of the GB-2, a rip-off KR-2 clone, at the 
first KR Gathering in Pope Valley , CA around 1980.  I'm not sure 
this failure actually proves anything, but since I was there at the 
time the story probably bears repeating.

The GB-2 was a KR-2 with entirely pre-molded skins.  Jeanette Rand 
hired a guy to do some glass parts for the KR-2 (not the current 
parts, by the way).  He built molds, made some fairly lousy parts for 
Jeanette (if you ever bought a KR-1 turbo cowl, you know what I mean 
-- it was close to useless the trimming was so bad) but then claimed 
ownership of the molds.  Jeanette, who felt that she had paid for the 
molds and ought to own them, was furious.  Then it got even worse 
when the guy announced his new kitplane, the GB-2.  It used 
ripped-off KR-2 plans, parts made from molds paid for by Jeanette and 
additional parts from other molds.  A few ads ran in Sport Aviation.

Jeanette's response was to take her business to Jim Kern at Task 
Research.  She paid for a completely new set of molds (the current 
ones) which were much better quality and which were clearly owned by 
Rand-Robinson.

Meanwhile, the GB-2 guy, whose name I forget, apparently decided that 
the KR Gathering was a good place to introduce his aircraft and sell 
a few kits.  Alas, the Gathering was only six weeks away.  No 
problemo.  He built a prototype GB-2 in six weeks using parts 
gathered here and there and "flying off" the required test time with 
a Bic pen.  At the Gathering, the guy  spent much of one day doing 
fast diving passes at 240 IAS (I took one of those rides and that's 
the number I saw).  Understand that the GB-2 builder weighed 
substantially over 200 lbs.  In the afternoon, the wind picked up and 
things got quite bumpy.  Many people stopped flying, but not the 
GB-2.  I was standing next to Rex Taylor of Hapi Engines when the 
GB-2 passed down the flight line and shed a wing, immediately rolling 
into the ground and tumbling a short distance.  There were no 
survivors.

The GB-2 builder was dead, of course, as was his female passenger. 
So much for the GB-2.  The crash investigation found that the front 
center section spar had failed in compression on one side.  The 
problem wasn't the spar design and it wasn't the attach fittings or 
the bolts.  To make the Gathering, the GB-2 guy had used a center 
section spar rejected by another builder who had made a mistake 
drilling the WAF holes.  The GB-2 guy HADN'T BOTHERED TO FILL THE BAD 
HOLES and just drilled new ones alongside, weakening the wood and 
leading to the compression failure.

A few hardwood dowels and a little epoxy and that guy might be here
today.

It is a testament to the KR over design, I suppose, that this guy was 
able to spend a whole morning doing 4-G pull-ups at 240 IAS at least 
200 lbs over gross (I later heard the GB-2 prototype empty weight was 
around 800 lbs.).  It wasn't until a little turbulence was added 
that the wretched thing finally fell apart.

By the way, that was my second and last ride in a KR-2, the first 
being an equally scary experience with Kenny Rand.  Since then it has 
been all KR-1 and the only idiot in the cockpit has been me.

Bob

At 8:45 AM -0500 7/10/02, Mark Langford wrote:
>
>
>I also think it's important to mention that there has never been a
reported
>spar or WAF failure on a KR (to my knowledge), and there are some pretty
>heavy ones out there doing some pretty amazing things...
>

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KR> KR2 to KR2S conversion?

[Gary Wold]

I'm a new member to the KR list.  I was building a Cozy Mk 4 but recently
decided my new retirement budget could not support such a project so selling
the materials this week.  Very difficult decision.



I've followed the KR2 since 1980 and decided to build the KR2S after Mark's
EAA webinar and the forum at Oshkosh.  Along this line, I have a question
for the group..I have a set of KR2 plans from 1981 and am wondering if it is
possible - or even reasonable - to modify these plans to a KR2S?



I searched the archive for any related information but got no hits so if
this has previously been discussed, I apologize for the question but would
appreciate suggestions as to where I might find the info.



Thanks



Gary Wold

KR> N891JF flights

[Lawrence Bell]

Wish I was a part of your group, but it will be great to meet everyone at
Chino.
Larry Bell


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> NetHeads,
>
> Over the last few days and weeks, I've been doing trial runs in N891JF,
> getting ready for the trip to Chino.  I needed to calibrate the fuel
> consumption displayed by the MGL Explorer, calibrate the airspeed
> indicator, and make sure I could survive three hours in that awful sling
> seat without my back seizing up, among other things, so I flew up to
> Kentucky and back in about 2.5 hours.  The "mission" was a complete
> success, yielding a minor tweak to both totalizer and IAS factors.  One
> neat thing about electronic instruments is you can adjust out most
> inaccuracies caused by off-nominal sensors, peculiarities of static/pitot
> systems...that kind of thing.
>
> My main goal was to do a long-distance run at a steady-state fuel burn
> rate that would yield something in the neighborhood of 145 mph IAS, and
> quantify the fuel burn rate, engine RPM, and other engine parameters, so I
> could validate the flight planning.  I've discovered that 150 mph TAS is
> easy enough to maintain at 7500
> density altitude, while getting well under 4 gallons per hour, which is
> around 40 miles per gallon.  More totalizer calibration on the long trip to
> Chino will refine this some more though.  And since the Explorer shows true
> airspeed and density altitude all the time  (no need to estimate in my head
> anymore), I took it up to 7500' density altitude to do a wide open "cruise
> speed" test, which turned out to be 163 mph.  Not bad on a 2180 cc VW
> engine!
>
> I finally got around to installing the interior, and what a difference
> some padding on the sling seat and plywood seatback makes!  It's also nice
> to have pockets in the side panels to put headset batteries, sunglasses,
> pencils, etc.
>
> If all goes well, Joe Horton will drop in Wednesday afternoon, and we'll
> take off early Thursday for Las Alamos to meet up with Jeff Scott, Rob
> Schmitt, Terry Chizek, and hopefully Marty Roberts (flying a Luscombe) and
> Larry Flesner.  We'll fly to Chino together with Jeff Friday morning, and
> others are welcome to join us.  Keep your fingers crossed for good weather.
> If we were leaving tomorrow, weather would be quite favorable, I think.
>
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> website at http://www.N56ML.com
> 
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KR> N891JF flights

[rbaalman at cox.net]

Sounds like an adventure.  I will take the big silver tube to ONT.  Hopefully 
next year.
Roger

KR> Gathering transportation

[Dan Heath]

I am arriving 11 am and have a car reserved.  I will be honored to be your
chauffer.  I am on Southwest flight 200 out of MDW.  Paul Visk and his son
are on the same flight.



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Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC





-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Flesner via
KRnet
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:41 PM
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Subject: KR> Gathering transportation







I'm still waiting for my medical to clear in order to fly my KR to the
Gathering.  If that doesn't happen, I plan to fly commercial to Ontario
airport.  Is there anyone in the area that could offer a ride to Chino.  If
so,  Shoot me back your cell phone number to  "
 flesner at frontier.com "  and I'll keep you
posted on my schedule.  Thanks...



Larry Flesner 





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