KR> 2015 Gathering

[Dan Heath]

I want to encourage my wife to attend this one.  What do you have that might
entice spouses who are not particularly interested in airplanes to want to
come to the area?



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Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 



Best Interior and Panel at 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN





Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC





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Ok, I'll see you Flying Heritage Museum and raise you 70 miles away is the
worlds largest clear span wood building (former airship hanger) and aircraft
museum at Tillamook and world famous cheese factory and the Oregon Aviation
historical society 100 miles to the south. 

KR> Gathering Funds

[Dan Heath]

Great story.  One more thing, please explain to the KR community, how these
funds were able to grow over the years.  What are the income sources?  I
believe that this should show why we do not need attendance fees.



See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
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Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 



Best Interior and Panel at 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN





Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC







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>Everyone should know that there is a fund that is carried over from 

>year to year and passed on to each host.  The purpose of that fund is 

>to re-imburse the host for expenses occurred during, before, and after 

>that are related to putting on the event.

>Larry F. can discuss the details of this with the group and I hope he 

>will, because everyone needs to understand where the funds come from 

>and how they are replenished from year to year Dan Heath


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How to make a long story short?



I received the Gathering funds from Linda Bennett after the 2003 

Gathering in the amount of $1865.  With good luck and the generosity 

of the attendees, the fund grew to $5008 over the 9 out of 10 years I 

hosted the Gathering at Mt.Vernon.  That made it possible to host the 

Gathering without any out of pocket expenses other than purchasing my 

hat, shirt, banquet ticket, and the 100 mile round trips to Mt.Vernon 

for planning and setup.



In July I advanced $4000 to Steve, the amount he thought sufficient 

to cover expenses.  I still hold $1008 in reserve.  If Steve has 

uncovered personal expenses he could be reimbursed with the 

reserve.  As we have no formal management of the funds I accepted 

responsibility for holding them from 2004, the first year I hosted 

the Gathering, with the exception of 2010 when I forwarded them to 

Dana Overall when he hosted at Richmond, Kentucky.



The complete financial accounting for all years since 2004 (except 

2010 when Dana hosted) were available at the Gathering web site until 

Bob Lee was no longer able to manage the site.  I'm guessing they are 

available somewhere and I still have the statement for 2013 that was 

never posted with the $5008 balance.  The Gathering site has been 

pared down considerably but I can e-mail Steve the file for posting 

if desired.



That leads us to the question of "who handles the funds"?  I'm 

inclined at this point to forward the remaining funds to Steve.  He 

can combine them with the funds from this years Gathernig and forward 

them on to Dan for the 2015 Gathering.  I had felt rather protective 

of handling the funds after 10 years of having it grow to a 

comfortable working amount but the Gathering has moved on so I feel 

it's time for other host to accept that responsibility.  I'm not 

comfortable being responsible for something I have no control over.



That's my story and I'm sticking to it:-)



Larry Flesner 





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KR> Gathering Funds

[Flesner]

At 05:11 AM 9/20/2014, you wrote:
>please explain to the KR community, how these
>funds were able to grow over the years.  What are the income sources?  I
>believe that this should show why we do not need attendance fees.
>


The last 3 years were pretty much "break even" on expenses / 
income.  Hat / shirt sales generally have sales covering 
expenses.  The banquet was a bit of a money maker, maybe $250 to $300 
or so.  Awards were all expenses, no income.  The funds were able to 
grow over the years mainly through the generosity of the attendees 
with donations at the banquet when we "passed the hat".  The best 
year as I recall was in the $700 dollar range.  Attendance was down 
at Mt.Vernon the last few years but the fund held it's own at the 
$5000 dollar mark, going up and down by several hundred dollars each 
year.  We were fortunate at Mt.Vernon to not have a lot of operating 
expenses and great support from the airport and restaurant.  Not 
every location has that kind of backing.  I have the financial 
statement for the last three years, 2011, 2012, 2013, that I'll send 
to Steve.  He can post it on the Gathering site for your review.

I'm sure Steve will make a full report when he finds time to rap 
things up.  We'll see how it shakes out this year.

Larry Flesner

KR> Gathering Funds

[Steve G.]

Larry Wrote:

The last 3 years were pretty much "break even" on expenses / income.  Hat /
shirt sales generally have sales covering expenses.  The banquet was a bit
of a money maker, maybe $250 to $300 or so.  Awards were all expenses, no
income.  The funds were able to grow over the years mainly through the
generosity of the attendees with donations at the banquet when we "passed
the hat".  The best year as I recall was in the $700 dollar range.
Attendance was down at Mt.Vernon the last few years but the fund held it's
own at the
$5000 dollar mark, going up and down by several hundred dollars each year.
We were fortunate at Mt.Vernon to not have a lot of operating expenses and
great support from the airport and restaurant.  Not every location has that
kind of backing.  I have the financial statement for the last three years,
2011, 2012, 2013, that I'll send to Steve.  He can post it on the Gathering
site for your review.

I'm sure Steve will make a full report when he finds time to rap things up.
We'll see how it shakes out this year.

Larry Flesner



I am fortunate enough to have Kiku to take care of all the bookkeeping for
me.  This is what we does for a living and so I am happy for her to take on
this task. After a few of the shirt and hat orders are completed I will be
able to post the outcome.  Larry is right. Having a facility that provides
nearly all of your logistical support is huge.  We had to rent tables and
chairs, banquet was more than I expected with a few extras added in plus tax
and gratuity.  Awards add up quick as well.  We won't make money this year
given the location and items required but it shouldn't too bad either. Some
additional expenses we incurred this year was buying a new domain for the
Gathering website and a form site for the registration process. After
spending a ton of time trying to fix what we had I just started from scratch
to streamline the registration process. It made things much easier with my
time constraints.   

Many of the expenses I incurred personally were due to my not planning
properly for the workshops and last minute requirements the county placed on
me. I didn't feel these expenses should come from the Gathering fund since I
offered up the location.  Next time I will know better of what to expect. 

Steve Glover

KR> 2015 Gathering

[Dan Prichard]

I'm trying to get us rooms at McMenamins Hotel in McMinnville. Look them up on 
the net. Historic hotel in old town. Also nearby casino, vineyards, wine tours. 
My wife wants to put together a group to visit old town Portland & Saturday 
market visit. Again, look on the the these keywords on the net. 

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> On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Dan Heath via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> I want to encourage my wife to attend this one.  What do you have that might
> entice spouses who are not particularly interested in airplanes to want to
> come to the area?
> 
> 
> 
> See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
> the pics 
> 
> 
> 
> Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 
> 
> Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 
> 
> Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 
> 
> Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 
> 
> Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 
> 
> 
> 
> Best Interior and Panel at 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Prichard
> via KRnet
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:51 PM
> To: Teate, Stephen; KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> 2015 Gathering
> 
> 
> 
> Ok, I'll see you Flying Heritage Museum and raise you 70 miles away is the
> worlds largest clear span wood building (former airship hanger) and aircraft
> museum at Tillamook and world famous cheese factory and the Oregon Aviation
> historical society 100 miles to the south. 
> 
> 
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KR> 2015 Gathering

[Oscar Zuniga]

There really is a lot for non-pilots to see and do in the Portland metroplex, 
too much to list here, and pretty much anything you can find in any other big 
American city.  But September is usually harvest time and there are lots of 
farmer's markets, wine tasting tours, and similar outdoors events in the region 
west and southwest of Portland this time of year.

There is a large mall of outlet stores on I-5 in Woodburn, which is only about 
30 miles from McMinnville.  You can go to the Oregon coast with nothing in 
particular to do except to enjoy the beauty of it.  Either up to Tillamook or 
down to Lincoln City, equally nice.  There is the Spirit Mountain casino in 
Grand Ronde, which is on the way from McMinnville to Lincoln City.

If you're feeling outdoorsy, you can also plan on staying at the Flying M Ranch 
near Yamhill, which is only about 30 miles from McMinnville.  They have a 1000 
x 40 turf strip at the ranch (look up OR05 on AirNav), not likely to be doable 
in a KR, but it is a nice place to stay, ride horses, eat, or whatever.

If you fly over to the coast, be cautioned that it is sometimes very windy and 
landings can be a bit tricky when the winds are up.  Winds at the Cape Blanco 
lighthouse, the westernmost point in the lower 48, have been clocked at 184 MPH 
;o)

Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR  

KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 246

[James M Brewer]

Larry & Steve,  I did not attend the Gathering this year, but follow the KR net 
every day.  First, I want to thank Larry for all the years at Mt Vernon.  
Larry, you did an outstanding job as did Chris and many others...THANK YOU!
Steve, I don't believe that you should incur ANY out of pocket expense, no 
matter what the reason.  The fact that you did the job, and an excellent one 
from all reports, is all that's expected from a host.  THANK YOU!  Now for the 
bottom line, I'm sure that Dan, Mark L, Mark J, Joe, Larry, and all other KR 
people will join me in offering to reimburse you for any out of pocket 
expenses.  I also know that you are too much of a gentleman to post those 
expenses publicly, so if you will contact me off net, I will be glad to 
contribute to those expenses.  Thank you both for your dedication to the KR 
family.
Jim Brewer 


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Today's Topics:

   1.  THANKS STEVE and Gathering Funds (danrh at windstream.net)
   2. Re:  2015 Gathering (Dan Prichard)
   3.  Gathering Funds (Flesner)
   4. Re:  2015 Gathering (Dan Heath)
   5.  Gathering Funds (Dan Heath)
   6. Re:  Gathering Funds (Flesner)
   7. Re:  Gathering Funds (Steve G.)
   8. Re:  2015 Gathering (Dan Prichard)


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Everyone should know that there is a fund that is carried over from year to 
year and passed on to each host.  The purpose of that fund is to re-imburse the 
host for expenses occurred during, before, and after that are related to 
putting on the event.

Larry F. can discuss the details of this with the group and I hope he will, 
because everyone needs to understand where the funds come from and how they are 
replenished from year to year.

I am all for a fee, if this fund is not sufficient, but the Gathering has been 
going on for many years without having to impose a fee and if the host is 
getting hit with any expenses, that has been kept a secret from me.

I now turn the floor over to Larry.

PS: Thanks Steve.  I hope you were not out any cash, but I know that you 
expended a lot of energy and time, and it showed.  

Dan Heath




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Ok, I'll see you Flying Heritage Museum and raise you 70 miles away is the 
worlds largest clear span wood building (former airship hanger) and aircraft 
museum at Tillamook and world famous cheese factory and the Oregon Aviation 
historical society 100 miles to the south. 

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> On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:51 AM, "Teate, Stephen via KRnet"  list.krnet.org> wrote:
> 
> " ulterior motives in targeting the McMinnville Gathering"
> 
> Since it is Friday let me see if I can get something started. About 180 miles 
> north of McMinnville is the Flying Heritage Collection Museum. It has the 
> ONLY model of the greatest propeller driven aircraft of WW2, the Focke-Wulf 
> 190 D-13.
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> Stephen Teate
> Paradise, Texas
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>Everyone should know that there is a fund that is carried over from 
>year to year a

KR> Newsletters 115-167 now available

[Mark Langford]

I've added Newsletters number 115-167 to the KRNewsletter page at 
http://www.krnet.org/newsletter/ .  I'm not too far from finishing up another 
batch also.  There's a lot of great stuff in here.  Steve Bennett has agreed to 
let me post his "KR Quarterly" newsletters as well, which were intended to fill 
in the gap when the Newsletter went dormant for a while.  Those are also packed 
with good info.  

Many of the ideas expressed in these newsletters evolved into the standard way 
of building KRs, and the personalities and history are pretty interesting too!

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com 

KR> 2015 Gathering

[James McGauhey]

I've been lurking and enjoying the posts as I'm deciding on which plane to
build.  Budget is very tight, but safe and a reasonably quick and reliable
cross-country vehicle is desired.



As for the 2015 Gathering, there's a little, but getting better, known
destination at Hood River, OR; Ken Jenstedt Airfield.  It has, IMHO, one of
the best museums of the history of planes, cars, and motorcycles.  They're
not polished museum pieces (well, some are), but regular looking vehicles.
And the planes fly, and the cars and motorcycles drive.  (Every month 2nd
Tues) It's about 100 wheel miles and 85 propeller miles from McMinnville.
AND, they have a Fly-In the weekend AFTER Labor Day.  The museum and fly-in
started about 8 yrs ago, with 50 planes flying in.  This year there were
over 300.  But it's not the quantity, it's the quality.  While my C-172 and
your KR's will fit right in, the focus is in Antique - as it's the WAAAM.
The Western Antique Airplane and Automobile Museum.  Oh, and as for
registration fees for the fly-in - they're very high ..  $5.  That gets you
aircraft parking, camping, showers, toilets, and admission to the museum for
the 3 days.  And that's per plane, not per person.  Food is reasonable $ and
available each meal of the weekend.  



Did I say their planes fly and their rolling vehicles roll?  I mean
virtually all you see.  Even the 1910 Curtiss-Parker Pusher.  It flew this
Fly-In, had an engine failure - and well, you'll have to watch my video...
No, the engine didn't re-start.



This is a preliminary copy.  It's much too long at 44 minutes, the sound is
too high, and there's several more changes I want to make.  (Suggestions
invited.)  So settle down with a libation and watch, or just watch 10 min of
it, or ???  It seemed appropriate to post now as the discussion was options
for more attractions around the 2015 Gathering.



It's not public yet as I'm still working on the final version.  And I'm not
a pro videographer.  Just a "serious amateur" trying to make and share
travelogue's of my adventures.  So some is shaky as much is handheld.  



You'll need a password to view it: hoodriver



https://vimeo.com/106513140



Jim McGauhey

1958 C-172 at KAWO



I have many youtube videos at http://www.youtube.com/user/scubajam