KR> KR vs similar...
I flew helicopters for the Army. ? When I retired I falsely believed that it would be ok if I didn't fly every day and I was very wrong. ?I didn't have a lot of fixed wing time, some F16's, Cub's, Sesna's etc but I knew I needed an airplane. As a school ?teacher with teanagers at home I didn't have a lot to spend on an aircraft but I wanted something ?nice like a KR2 so I started building but it wasn't going fast enough. A flying Minimax came up for sale at a great price and I couldn't pass it up.? So for those who feel that craving to put space between the ground and your feet, building is good and flying and building is also good! The Teenie 2 looks great! Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Chris Prata via KRnet List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 06/17/2015 9:07 PM (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet Cc: Chris Prata Subject: Re: KR> KR vs similar... very cool Joe. how do you like the minimax? I just need something to knock around new england and meet up with my friends who always seem to be flying somewhere... realistically, the KR will take years to complete.? I agree with the other post, and to be careful with time budget or one will block the other. I like the teenie 2... > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 17:29:18 -0500 > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> KR vs similar... > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > CC: bjoenunley at gmail.com > > > > I purchased a flying Minimax for my temporary ride and I am glad that I did > because I get to fly three to four times a week. What a great situation to be > in to need to decide weather to fly or to work on my KR2 since both are > good.? I am building? tailwheel time and experience, building? flight time > and experience, and building a KR2 as well.
KR> KR vs similar...
very cool Joe. how do you like the minimax? I just need something to knock around new england and meet up with my friends who always seem to be flying somewhere... realistically, the KR will take years to complete. I agree with the other post, and to be careful with time budget or one will block the other. I like the teenie 2... > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 17:29:18 -0500 > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> KR vs similar... > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > CC: bjoenunley at gmail.com > > > > I purchased a flying Minimax for my temporary ride and I am glad that I did > because I get to fly three to four times a week. What a great situation to be > in to need to decide weather to fly or to work on my KR2 since both are good. > I am building tailwheel time and experience, building flight time and > experience, and building a KR2 as well. > Joe >
KR> KR vs similar...
I almost bought (and still might) a Teenie 2 as a temporary ride while I build a KR. It's kind of cute, simple, and cheap. About the same size as a KR with about the same power, yet substantially slower. I think the sonex performs well, just looks terrible like a Pontiac Aztec (my opinion and taste), while the KR is something I fell in love with its looks at first sight. Also, coming from a boat background, I can appreciate fiberglass construction. This would be my third attempt to construct a KR and while last time I had copies of most newsletters in a giant ring binder, these web resources have been invaluable to quickly learn about something. > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 09:50:22 -0700 > Subject: KR> KR builders/pilots around Lakeland > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > CC: laser147 at juno.com > > > > "The Sonex doesn't have the performance potential and frankly, it's a > bit homely." > > Isn't that the truth. It "looks" like it makes a lot of aerodynamic > sense but it's a turd compared to a KR. And I wouldn't put an AeroVee on > a lawnmower. > > Mike > KSEE
KR> KR vs similar...
I purchased a flying Minimax for my temporary ride and I am glad that I did because I get to fly three to four times a week. What a great situation to be in to need to decide weather to fly or to work on my KR2 since both are good. ?I am building ?tailwheel time and experience, building ?flight time and experience, and building a KR2 as well.? Joe Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
KR> errors in plans/supplements?
This ain't a blog.The KR design is a good one and if it don't fit your requirements ,I suggest a different design.Tommy W. On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:34 PM, Chris Prata via KRnet < krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > mike, as an (hopefully) upcoming builder, is there a comprehensive list of > things the builders have discovered to maybe do differently as you mention? > > > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 23:26:24 -0400 > > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > > Subject: Re: KR> Nvaero plans/supplements > > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > > CC: mctaglieri at gmail.com > > > > I was asking for the reason for the delay, not trying to blame Steve. > It's > > obviously Jeanette Rand's fault. Ken Rand died when the design of the KR > > was still evolving and the plans were little more than a first draft. > It's > > tragic there was never anyone else at Rand-Robinson who was interested > in > > correcting the errors in the plans and improving the KR's design. (Of > > course many people here have done that, but you aren't the official > > supplier, so the defective plans keep getting sold and everyone has to > > rediscover the errors afresh). > > > > If Ken had been a careful pilot and stuck around awhile, he could have > > been another Burt Rutan, and the KR could have been the first of many > > brilliant designs. Instead Rand-Robinson became a printing shop > > that did little for 40 years but reprint and sell the same set of plans, > > and now they apparently can hardly even do that. > > > > Mike Taglieri > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
KR> Any KR builders/pilots in the Lakeland, FL area?
I'm weighing building a KR vs. a Sonex and would like to talk with current KR builders or pilots. The Sonex doesn't have the performance potential and frankly, it's a bit homely. But it does have superb plans and outstanding factory support. The KR on the other hand has (as I have read but not seen) less than superb plans, and nothing quite like the support ?of the Sonex folks. But it's performance is more inline with my requirements and I believe it's more amenable to my building intentions (buying parts & materials as I go along vs. ponying up a large lump sum to buy a full kit). I'd love to meet and discuss the KR2(S). Regards, Lee
KR> KR builders/pilots around Lakeland
> "The Sonex doesn't have the performance potential and frankly, it's a bit homely." Isn't that the truth. It "looks" like it makes a lot of aerodynamic sense but it's a turd compared to a KR. And I wouldn't put an AeroVee on a lawnmower. Mike KSEE Old School Yearbook Pics View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School & Year. Look Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5581a5851779225856950st02vuc
KR> Nvaero plans/supplements
On 6/16/2015 4:34 PM, Mike T via KRnet wrote: > What's the reason for these extraordinary delays? Lots of older plansbuilt > plane designs (some going back to the 1950s) have let Aircraft Spruce take > over the printing and shipping of plans. If nvaero isn't able to handle > it, maybe they should consider that Spruce did not "take over" the single aspect of vending the plans. Spruce is the owner of the design rights, intellectual property etc of those older plans-built designs for which they now sell plans. They bought the rights when the opportunities arose. That's how they put themselves into the position of being the source of the plans for those airplanes. The business strategy was to then offer materials, components, etc to known customers who had purchased plans from them. The original designers or subsequent supporters of those designs, prior to Spruce, are no longer involved with the designs as far as I know. Spruce has "re-drawn" some of the plans they are selling now. From personal experience I know the current revisions of some of "their" designs have lost much in translation. Chris K
KR> Nvaero plans/supplements
THANK YOU A WHOLE BUNCH Steve. I appreciate what you are doing. As a friend use to say " Blessings on you ", Virg On 6/16/2015 11:55 PM, Steve G. via KRnet wrote: > Can we please put this to rest. While there have been issues with plans and > availability both on of our parts I cannot say that all of that was Jeanette. > It is a 45 mile trip each way for me to get plans. I was only getting a few > at a time which made it difficult especially with my work schedule. I took a > break after the gathering last year because of all the BS and whining > regarding KR stuff and needed a breather. > > Any current plans orders will be filled shortly. We are nearly caught up on > parts orders so the wait times should not be as much as before. I am spending > more time at the hanger since purchasing Ellison Fluid Systems and we are > beginning to produce new carburetors as well as provide overhaul service. > Keep in mind I still work a regular job. It is 8:40 pm my time and I am just > getting off work and heading to the hanger. I am voice writing this email as > I drive. > > Jeanette Rand is a great lady and has given most of her life's to the KR > design. While many may not have agreed with how she has done business, she > has always been honest and provided what was ordered. I think any public > bashing is not necessary or appreciated. > > Anyone is free to bash away regarding me or nV Aero. As most know, I could > give a rats ass. I will get people's orders as quickly as I can. But again > keep in mind I have to work a real job and this is typically about when I get > off work every day after starting about 530 in the morning. The KR business > has never paid for itself. It has always been out-of-pocket. I do it because > I love the design and believe in having an affordable plane for the average > guy. If you have ordered parts they will come I can assure you. Hopefully > things will come a bit sooner now. > > Steve Glover >
KR> Nvaero plans/supplements
Mike, As I understand it, no one has been able to convince Jeanette Rand to allow them to reproduce the plans for sale (and a number of good people have tried), so all plans ultimately come from her, and inordinate delays have always been part of the picture - long before nvaero became involved. I think nvaero had hopes of improving the situation, but it doesn't seem to have turned out that way. I acquired my plans before nvaero started up. I chased Rand Robinson for several months but never got a response. In the end I came across an unused set of plans from someone who had decided to build something different. Those seem to be pretty rare. Less rare is the opportunity to buy a partly completed project including plans. So this is not a new problem. And any solution must involve the owner of the intellectual property. Unless they're willing to address it nothing will change. Cheers, Tony On 17 June 2015 at 08:34, Mike T via KRnet wrote: > What's the reason for these extraordinary delays? Lots of older plansbuilt > plane designs (some going back to the 1950s) have let Aircraft Spruce take > over the printing and shipping of plans. If nvaero isn't able to handle > it, maybe they should consider that. (Or are they getting the plans from > Jeanette Rand?) Whoever it is, this could make people give up before they > even start. > > Mike Taglieri > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Robert Dunleavy via KRnet < > krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > > > I ordered my plans in early Feb. , Emailed nvaero about the status last > > week, got a prompt reply which indicated the plans should be shipping out > > soonrobert > > > > > > On Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:58 PM, Kyle Gonterwitz via KRnet < > > krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > > > > > > I ordered and paid for plans last August, and just a few days ago I got > an > > email saying my order has been shipped! I sent multiple, never > > threatening, emails to nvaero inquiring about status and even asking to > > cancel the order. Anyways, sounds like my wait is almost over. > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change > > options > > > > > > > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change > > options > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
KR> Nvaero plans/supplements
Jeanette has dine a lot for the KR community besides the plans. I have been a supporter of her since 1974., Virg On 6/16/2015 11:26 PM, Mike T via KRnet wrote: > I was asking for the reason for the delay, not trying to blame Steve. It's > obviously Jeanette Rand's fault. Ken Rand died when the design of the KR > was still evolving and the plans were little more than a first draft. It's > tragic there was never anyone else at Rand-Robinson who was interested in > correcting the errors in the plans and improving the KR's design. (Of > course many people here have done that, but you aren't the official > supplier, so the defective plans keep getting sold and everyone has to > rediscover the errors afresh). > > If Ken had been a careful pilot and stuck around awhile, he could have > been another Burt Rutan, and the KR could have been the first of many > brilliant designs. Instead Rand-Robinson became a printing shop > that did little for 40 years but reprint and sell the same set of plans, > and now they apparently can hardly even do that. > > Mike Taglieri > On Jun 16, 2015 10:33 PM, "Virgil N.Salisbury via KRnet" < > krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > >> Lighten up Mike. Walk in Steve's shoes for a while. If you want >> to discourage some from building any KR, you are doing a bang >> up job, Virg >> Broad shoulders, Thick skin ! >> >>
