KR> flight #2
I decided to make my second flight today.? I got to the airport at around noon the winds were calm but by the time we got around to take off the winds were out of the west 5-8 knots we?departed ?on runway 18. I was really surprised how well it handles in cross wind take-offs and landings.?A friend?with a RV8 followed me around the patch for about 45 minutes to see how close my?ASI was to his, we were both indicating 140 knots.The oil and CHT stayed in proper range. I noticed I have a ?heavy port wing I had to apply right aileron input to maintain level flight.?I didn't use any elevator?trim and pitch control wasn't a problem.? ?For not ever flying or riding in a KR?the flight was?surprisingly uneventfully.
KR> flight #2
Move over to the right seat see if the right wing is heavy. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Robert Pesak via KRnet > wrote: > > I decided to make my second flight today. I got to the airport at around > noon the winds were calm but by the time we got around to take off the winds > were out of the west 5-8 knots we departed on runway 18. I was really > surprised how well it handles in cross wind take-offs and landings. A friend > with a RV8 followed me around the patch for about 45 minutes to see how close > my ASI was to his, we were both indicating 140 knots.The oil and CHT stayed > in proper range. I noticed I have a heavy port wing I had to apply right > aileron input to maintain level flight. I didn't use any elevator trim and > pitch control wasn't a problem. For not ever flying or riding in a > KR the flight was surprisingly uneventfully. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
KR> Flynow the movie
The premiere of the full length documentary/ movie of FLY NOW! THE MOVIE will be this Saturday in St. Louis. ?If you enjoyed the the short version that I showed at the gathering. ?You'll really injoy this.?If you fly into kcps. I'll pick you up.??The link is below. http://flynowmovie.com/ Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705
KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 273
> "I'll go get a nice warm hotel room and fix the problem in daylight, preferably in a heated hangar." There's a time and place for that. And if there's no other option, then that's the one to choose. But you are assuming a "problem." I'm presuming to avoid any problem. I don't like problems, especially in such a time and place as this hypothetical ramp in the middle of Wyoming in winter. I'm taking measures, with my battery installation, to make sure as best I can that there will be nothing to interfere with me using lots of electrics to land, taxi to the fuel dowser, fill up, get back in the plane, start the engine and continue my journey. In such a circumstance, if the battery is dead because it's overdrawn, then I have a problem. I don't want that. Anything I can do to help prevent such a problem is something I feel obligated to do. Now, I've admitted my ignorance of lithium battery technology, at least to Larry. I'm admitting that it's possible there is a lithium battery that will match the specs of this M44 battery, same Ah, same reserve capacity, perhaps less weight but weight isn't important to me - I'm just wondering if a battery of this size (garden tractor size) exists in the lithium world that would do as well as this AGM I've got and am so excited (some would say overly) to find. I guessing the military has some specialized lithium batteries with amazing specs and they may very well have something that's equal or even better than this M44 I've now got. I will be keeping an eye out as time goes by but meanwhile, if Brian or anyone knowledgable about sophisticated lithium batteries would like to point me in a particular direction I would appreciate it. For future reference, I'd like to know what is going on in the lithium world of high performance batteries. Dj said, > "There is simply no need to have TWO heavy "substantial" batteries in the airplane." That's probably true. It can't hurt though. It's probably highly unnecessary unless you're stationed in Antarctica or flying in the far north. . A Balance Transfer Card With An Outrageously Long Intro Rate And No Balance Transfer Fees That Can Save You Thousands http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/56202dafe8ceb2daf66d6st02vuc
KR> Flight #2
Robert Pesak said, > "For not ever flying or riding in a KR the flight went surprisingly uneventfully." Despite your understated remark, I can only imagine you are feeling very satisfied for having done things so well in all those thousands of hours. I'm greatly in admiration that you've gone through the building process so well that you can casually state the above. No one outside the narrow skill band of those who have gone through such a thing could understamd just how much meticulous care went into all those thousands of hours of measuring, cutting, sanding, fabricating, connecting, integrating, all of that and more. Among those who know, anyway, your casual statement is a loudly resonating proclamation of sucess in having done things extremely well over an extended period of time. Congratulations Mr. Pesak. It's a satisfaction people like me (non-builders) can never enjoy. Mike KSEE Warren Buffett???s Last Stand: Admits ???Real Threat??? So you can imagine how shocked I was to find out Warren Buffett recently told a select number of investors about the cutting-edge technology that's keeping him awake at night. This past May, The Motley Fool sent 8 of its best stock analysts to Omaha, Nebraska to attend the Berkshire Hathaway annua??? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/56202ffcd36422ffc03f6st04vuc
KR> Batteries
Mark Jones said, > "So, what does this have to do with batteries? NOTHING. It does however tell you that you need back up systems on all phases to save your bacon." Tells me that. Good story. It also tells me something I didn't know about how powerful the Ellison suction is. Mine suctions from a header tank so doesn't have far to go (and it's a -2, as opposed to your -3A, so less suction). Fuel level in header the tank is well below the level of the Ellison, most of the time. It the tank is clear full, I'd have to guess they are exactly at the same level. What your post indicates is that the Ellison EFS-3A suctions enough to draw fuel from wing tanks! Through all that tubing, valves and distance. That's truly a good back-up, just that. Supplementing it with a light pump ought to be done. You mentioned Facet. One of those I guess, if you like them. I've never had any trouble with Facet. It sucks frul from the 4.2 gallon wing tank, a short distance, through tubing and two or three high quality shut-off valves and transfer valves. It could be done more elegantly, but doens't leak and does work beautifully. I would have never tried sucking fuel directly from the Ellison to the 4.2 gallon wing tank but now I think I will. It would be great to know. I've never even considered the question, until now. Thanks!! Mike A Balance Transfer Card With An Outrageously Long Intro Rate And No Balance Transfer Fees That Can Save You Thousands http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/562035ea6790435ea6670st02vuc
KR> Batteries
On 10/15/2015 6:49 PM, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote: > I'm taking > measures, with my battery installation, to make sure as best I can that > there will be nothing to interfere with me using lots of electrics to > land, taxi to the fuel dowser, fill up, get back in the plane, start the > engine and continue my journey. I don't see how this differs from my installation. I've calculated that I have in excess of 3 hours of battery life between my two batteries if the alternator dies. Presuming I accidentally leave the master on after taxiing in from landing, that is a long time to fill up the plane before getting back in to start it, and that's assuming I'm going to miss the nav lights and landing light being on, and the strobes flashing at me the entire time, along with a bright yellow light flashing on the panel. If, for some reason all that does happen, the plane can either be hand propped or jumped from an external power source if it is an emergency to leave asap. > Dj said, > >> "There is simply no need to have TWO heavy "substantial" batteries in > the > airplane." > > That's probably true. It can't hurt though. It's probably highly > unnecessary unless you're stationed in Antarctica or flying in the far > north. I consider it a lot of unnecessary weight, however, the beauty of experimental aircraft is that everyone gets to determine their own priorities. I'm not dissing you for having two large batteries in your aircraft. I *AM* dissing you for making fun of Larry and I for having one large battery and a second small one. I've done a complete electrical load analysis on my aircraft and know how much juice is being used if everything is on, and how much if only the items on the E-bus are on. I have plenty of excess power available without having that second large heavy battery onboard. One large battery is plenty. Lithium does throw a new thing out there to consider. In my personal opinion, the tech isn't mature enough for me to use in my aircraft, given some of the bad accidents we've seen. Time will tell if this will change, or the next best thing will come along and be even better. I do know that some people are using them, and I admire them for leading the way. -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87 Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 273
I know they make bigger lithium batteries, but an ETX680 battery at 4 pounds and over 12AH is all you need in a KR sized plane. http://earthxmotorsports.com/product-category/experimental-aircraft Original Message Subject: Re: KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 273 From: Mike Stirewalt via KRnet List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Thu, October 15, 2015 3:49 pm To: krnet at list.krnet.org Cc: laser147 at juno.com > "I'll go get a nice warm hotel room and fix the problem in daylight, preferably in a heated hangar." There's a time and place for that. And if there's no other option, then that's the one to choose. But you are assuming a "problem." I'm presuming to avoid any problem. I don't like problems, especially in such a time and place as this hypothetical ramp in the middle of Wyoming in winter. I'm taking measures, with my battery installation, to make sure as best I can that there will be nothing to interfere with me using lots of electrics to land, taxi to the fuel dowser, fill up, get back in the plane, start the engine and continue my journey. In such a circumstance, if the battery is dead because it's overdrawn, then I have a problem. I don't want that. Anything I can do to help prevent such a problem is something I feel obligated to do. Now, I've admitted my ignorance of lithium battery technology, at least to Larry. I'm admitting that it's possible there is a lithium battery that will match the specs of this M44 battery, same Ah, same reserve capacity, perhaps less weight but weight isn't important to me - I'm just wondering if a battery of this size (garden tractor size) exists in the lithium world that would do as well as this AGM I've got and am so excited (some would say overly) to find. I guessing the military has some specialized lithium batteries with amazing specs and they may very well have something that's equal or even better than this M44 I've now got. I will be keeping an eye out as time goes by but meanwhile, if Brian or anyone knowledgable about sophisticated lithium batteries would like to point me in a particular direction I would appreciate it. For future reference, I'd like to know what is going on in the lithium world of high performance batteries. Dj said, > "There is simply no need to have TWO heavy "substantial" batteries in the airplane." That's probably true. It can't hurt though. It's probably highly unnecessary unless you're stationed in Antarctica or flying in the far north. . A Balance Transfer Card With An Outrageously Long Intro Rate And No Balance Transfer Fees That Can Save You Thousands http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/56202dafe8ceb2daf66d6st02vuc ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> kR2S model
I'll add a twisthow about a 'desk' model or one for self-assembly? I'd like to have one to look at and, hence, dream about. Thanks Gary Wold EAA Lifetime member Eagle Scout -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul VISK via KRnet Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 6:05 PM To: KRnet Cc: Paul VISK Subject: Re: KR> kR2S model I think seeing one of these models on a 3d printer would be pretty cool Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705 Original message From: Global Solutions via KRnet Date: 10/14/2015 5:57 PM (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet Cc: Global Solutions Subject: Re: KR> kR2S model 3d model as in 3d cad file such as but not limited to solid works, inventor,solid edge etc hens the reason I said 3d :) Thanks Stan On 2015-10-14 6:31 PM, mfreeman2--- via KRnet wrote: > What kind of model? Computer, wood, AC3D or what? > I have one for X-Plane flight sim and I have one on my desk. > > Global Solutions via KRnet wrote: >> Does anyone on the list have a 3d model of the Kr2S or the kr2 or the Kr1? >> Thanks >> Stan >> >> >> ___ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to >> KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at >> http://www.krnet.org/info.html see >> http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change >> options > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html see > http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> kR2S model
>I'll add a twisthow about a 'desk' model or one for self-assembly? >I'd >like to have one to look at and, hence, dream about. Go on eBay and under search type in KR2 and you will see several auctions to buy a wood model of the KR. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Stevens Point, WI E-mail: flykr2s at charter.net Web: www.flykr2s.com
KR> kR2S model
...or try this: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=kr2&_osacat=0&ssPageName=GSTL&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1311.R2.TR10.TRC0.A0.H1.Xkr-2.TRS0&_nkw=kr2+airplane&_sacat=0 > Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 02:48:50 + > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> kR2S model > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > CC: mfreeman2 at indy.rr.com > > You want one like this then, it may be a bit pricey for you. > But then I've found that everything in aviation is expensive. > > http://s366.photobucket.com/user/flightsimmer_2009/media/N4DDmodel.jpg.html > > Gary Wold via KRnet wrote: > > I'll add a twisthow about a 'desk' model or one for self-assembly? I'd > > like to have one to look at and, hence, dream about. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Gary Wold > > EAA Lifetime member > > Eagle Scout > > > > -Original Message- > > From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul VISK > > via > > KRnet > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 6:05 PM > > To: KRnet > > Cc: Paul VISK > > Subject: Re: KR> kR2S model > > > > I think seeing one of these models on a 3d printer would be pretty cool > > > > > > Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705 > > > > Original message From: Global Solutions via KRnet > > Date: 10/14/2015 5:57 PM (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet > > Cc: Global Solutions > > Subject: Re: > > KR> kR2S model 3d model as in 3d cad file such as but not limited to solid > > works, inventor,solid edge etc hens the reason I said 3d :) Thanks Stan > > > > > > On 2015-10-14 6:31 PM, mfreeman2--- via KRnet wrote: > > > What kind of model? Computer, wood, AC3D or what? > > > I have one for X-Plane flight sim and I have one on my desk. > > > > > > Global Solutions via KRnet wrote: > > >> Does anyone on the list have a 3d model of the Kr2S or the kr2 or the > > Kr1? > > >> Thanks > > >> Stan > > >> > > >> > > >> ___ > > >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > > >> KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at > > >> http://www.krnet.org/info.html see > > >> http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > > >> options > > > ___ > > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > > > KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at > > > http://www.krnet.org/info.html see > > > http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > > > options > > > > > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see > > http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > > options ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see > > http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > > options > > > > > > > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > > options > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
KR> Batteries
Thank you Mark Jones and Brian and Dj and Larry and everyone who contributed to this discussion. I've forgotten who said what - quoting helps eliminate that and I use it all the time but this time I've forgotten in which email who said what, and of course the question of when is just as unknown as the rest of it. I got in over my head before I knew it! 'Till now the only lithium I knew about was the stuff the doctror made me take. So am sending a blanket "thankyou". I've taken it all in, despite me not knowing where it came from. It came from "the net". I'm still looking for an answer though to my question as I phrased it to Larry: "Taking a 28 lb. lithium battery of this size and weight, what would that battery be rated at in Ah?" Asked another way, for you lithium fundis, what would a lithium battery look like if rated at the specs of my new AGM? Anything resembling this garden tractor-sized battery I use? I know, "garden tractor" is almost a meaningless term since garden tractors have begun to come with batteries of all different sizes. But earlier there was somethingf of a standard size and it's that standard size I'm referring to. It's what my battery box in the KR is designed for. It's 7.75 across and 5 inches and a hair deep. Height doesn't matter, however my box is about eight inches high on the sides so this new battery sticks a little above the sides of the battery box. The box doesn't have a lid or cover so there's no restriction vertically. This new AGM weighs 28 lbs. If given those same dimensions and weights, what would I have amp-hour wise if it were lithium - any lithium . . . the most efficient lithium regardless of stability or reliability. Perhaps the issues with those unstable but possibly more powerful lithium compounds that have been mentioned can be addressed with special care - environmental stability. I've pretended (On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog.) I knew something about lithium, but all I know about lithium is that batteries called lithium batteries are much lighter than conventional batteries. Weak AGM batteries are light too, so lightness without context doesn't mean much. Weight of the battery is also a meaningless term (to me) in terms of the airplane carrying it. Since I'm the only one in the plane, everything else it carries are things to make my flight more enjoyable or safe. This M44 is about twice the size of the typical motorcycle battery - actually not a fair comparison since this M44 is quite a bit smaller than two motorcycle batteries (I think that's true anyway . . . I've lost all of my objectivity on this issue so don't pay attention to any claims I make on these issues from now on. I've "lost" it. Without having direct comparisons of similar models, it's probably impossible to answer these questions unless someone on the net has a pretty high security clearance, but guesswork isn't illegal. Guess too close thoughy and you'll probably have the suits and ties at your door next morning. Right Jeff? Anybody brave enough to make some guesses in comparing lithium to this M44 from Powerstride? My comments so far about lithium have been based on nothing but prejudice. It's pathetic I know, but my comments about lithium batteries, while probably exactly correct, have been based on sheer ignorance. I haven't got a clue what's going on in the lithium world. I'm a trogolyte, clinging to my AGM/VRLA technology as if it were THE ANSWER. I hate freezing. I don't want to be messing with battery problems when my fingers are numb. Anything that does a good job of keeping me in a warm cockpit instead of having anything to do with Dzus fasteners in an ice storm can be Product of the Year, in my book. The charger below I bought for the new KR battery was sold locally by Powerstride at the Amazon price. Easy company to work with. Looking at the burned out batteries at the back of this Cavalier hangar reminds me I need to tell you about Schumacher battery chargers/maintainers. Doug has been using the same one for many years. It's a 1.5 AMP "intelligent" charger but in reality it's not smart at all. I recently bought a new car/motorhome/motorcycle Schumacher charger on sale at Sears. It has a setting for "Powersports" sized batteries and another switch to go between AGM and flooded-cell. It has an automatic "maintenance mode" it goes into once it's brought the battery up to some predetermined (by Schumacher) level. In the case of my motorhome/motorcycle/car battery, in maintenance mode it pumps 15.5 volts into the battery day after day, week after week, month after . . . you get the idea. If the plane is left any length of time at all with this monster attached to the battery terminals it will kill the battery with heat and has done so with those Concorde and other batteries on Doug's back table. It would have done so with the new Gill we just bought however before starting wo
