KR> Smooth Prime problems

[Gary]

On 8/10/2016 7:53 PM, Pete Klapp via KRnet wrote:
> Netters
>
> Several weeks ago, Mike Sylvester posted an email about the problem he had 
> sanding the parts had previously primed. What form of Smooth Prime was he 
> referring to? The earlier version was a catalyzed formula and the present 
> version sold by Aircraft Spruce is in a water-borne formula. I'm about to use 
> some on my turtledeck, fwd deck and tail feathers. Any suggestions or pit 
> falls to be aware of with the water-borne variety?
>
> Pete Klapp, Canton, OH
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I found it good stuff.  Use credit card to squeegee first coat to fill 
holes.  Roll or spray several thin coats after that.  Like they say, a 
thick coat is a waist of time.

-- 
*Gary *
/Soli Deo Gloria/

KR> The Dig ... and the Response

[Marc Baca]

"He's in NorCal dumb ass. Thanks for the dig. 

Steve Glover"

Sent from my electronic leash. 

?On Aug 10, 2016, at 11:35, Paul Visk via KRnet  wrote:
?
It must be a southern California thing. : )
?
Paul Visk Belleville IL? 618 406 4705
...
Given the crafty exchange I'm compelled to provide some context and possibly 
interpret this subtle interchange of words.
I may not be able to tell you the various tinsel strengths of any given brand 
of resin due to the covalent bonding at different temperatures or the various 
coefficients of lift for the various (very creative) wing tips used on many of 
the KR aircraft (actually I can if given some time and data) ... but I can tell 
you something about the "California thing." ? Many of you know that California 
has some of the harshest anti small business policy in the nation burdening 
them with high taxes, land costs, environmental costs, metropolis costs, 
targeted enforcement etc..etc..?? The result is higher production and material 
costs.. which in this group results in the notion that parts are "expensive" 
and that the seller is an oger.

It sounds like the "California thing" comment appears to be directed at NVAero 
which deals solely in market of? KR parts and plan in So. Cal. There appears to 
be a misconception aimed at "choking" and maligning the ONLY full featured part 
time KR parts resource there is.? This is ironic given that most of the KR 
folks I've met appear to have a desire for this community to thrive. Maligning 
NVAero seems contrary to our interests.? 

I can tell you from my experience that kit or scratch building seemed ominous 
and unreachable just a few years ago. For someone generating the intestinal 
fortitude and shelling out the money to buy prefabricated parts knowing that 
he/she is likely to abandon the KR building effort before finishing creates a 
barrier for the KR community as a whole. Steve Glover ... and I can say this 
because I've watched him agonize over the the last 5 years or so ... has spent 
an estimated $75K to $100K of his own money to perpetuate the KR kit and plans 
industry. Although he has many innovations to make the KR better, he refrains 
from making the KR more difficult to build.? Steve has not shown any intentions 
to make profit, his primary interest? being that the business would simply 
support the cost of operations. KR? part sales fall way short of sustaining 
business operations.? Even with volunteers, he literally does not make enough 
to break even, thus causing him to spend his own time and money to keep the 
option? to buy a kit open for would be novice builders.?? In short, he spends 
hours of his own time directing gratuitous labor (some of that my own volunteer 
time) away from his real businesses that could make profit.?? He is there every 
weekend and often late at night during the week.

So those of you who have a poor image of "California things"  consider 
this:? Although there is a cost to the buyer,? KR parts and plans are a 
profitless venture, when you consider high hangar costs, storage of molds, high 
composite costs, high sourced out manufacturing costs etc etc. at minimum 
this is true in? California.? There is not enough demand to even recover the 
costs in volume sales because relatively speaking, few people are buying KR's 
kits. ? For the sales that do occur at NVAero, Steve Glover spend his own time 
manufacturing those parts to high quality specifications. As a volunteer with 
the intent on learn and build better aircraft I have botched up a few parts 
regrettably at Steve's expense.? (I did however get the funny look from him). 
And while it may be true that NVAero has had some delays, they are inherent to 
the need to tend to money making ventures so that the KR Kit and parts option 
continues to be available.?? 

There... I said it  I hope this helps some of you understand the 
"California thing"  from a California person.

Marc BacaEast Los Angeles, CA

KR> RST Engineering

[Jeff Scott]

?
Sorry, this post should have had the subject label changed to RST Engineering

While I know you want to receive this stuff right away, keep in mind you are 
dealing with a small business that is a one man show, and that you ordered just 
as they were ramping up for Oshkosh, then had to travel from California to 
Oshkosh (likely in a camper), then was at Oshkosh for at least a week, then is 
traveling back home again and trying to pick up the pieces. Maybe... Just 
maybe, he is throwing in a few days of vacation on the way home from Oshkosh to 
try to get his head back on straight after the rush of orders taken at Oshkosh. 
It's not a huge surprise to me that he hasn't replied to an email, nor is it a 
surprise that nothing was shipped in the last 3 weeks. Jim Weir also writes a 
monthly column for "Kitplanes" and probably needs to get another column out the 
door to meet the oshkosh show report deadline, so I don't think he has flown 
the coop. But I do think he is a really busy man and you have caught him at the 
peak of his busiest time of year.

I would guess he should be back home again this week and doing business again. 
This is a one man show business that has been around for a long time and is 
well known in the pilot community. A little patience will probably go a long 
ways.

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM


> HI I am having trouble with buying a kit from rst engineering
> paid 3 weeks ago
> sent 2 emails about when it is to arrive
> never answered my emails
> paid with paypal so did a paypal item purchased not received
> still did not get any email from them
> they are in californa as I am
> paypal said they sent an email asking about this but i have not received
> the item nor have i every received any email
> makes me kinda wonder why not at least an email
> tom laudato
?

KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208

[Jeff Scott]

While I know you want to receive this stuff right away, keep in mind you are 
dealing with a small business that is a one man show, and that you ordered just 
as they were ramping up for Oshkosh, then had to travel from California to 
Oshkosh (likely in a camper), then was at Oshkosh for at least a week, then is 
traveling back home again and trying to pick up the pieces.  Maybe... Just 
maybe, he is throwing in a few days of vacation on the way home from Oshkosh to 
try to get his head back on straight after the rush of orders taken at Oshkosh. 
 It's not a huge surprise to me that he hasn't replied to an email, nor is it a 
surprise that nothing was shipped in the last 3 weeks.  Jim Weir also writes a 
monthly column for "Kitplanes" and probably needs to get another column out the 
door to meet the oshkosh show report deadline, so I don't think he has flown 
the coop.  But I do think he is a really busy man and you have caught him at 
the peak of his busiest time of year.

I would guess he should be back home again this week and doing business again.  
This is a one man show business that has been around for a long time and is 
well known in the pilot community.  A little patience will probably go a long 
ways.

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM


> HI I am having trouble with buying a kit from rst engineering
> paid 3 weeks ago
> sent 2 emails about when it is to arrive
> never answered my emails
> paid with paypal so did a paypal item purchased not received
> still did not get any email from them
> they are in californa as I am
> paypal said they sent an email asking about this but i have not received
> the item nor have i every received any email
> makes me kinda wonder why not at least an email
> tom laudato
?

KR> Gathering update

[Larry Flesner]

Just one more month till the Gathering at Mt.Vernon.  Anyone wanting 
a shirt or hat for this years Gathering will need to get the order in 
by the cutoff date of August 20, just 10 days from now.  I was much 
more flexible in the past but my supplier (my next door neighbor) is 
easing in to retirement and my options are limited.  Also,  unlike 
past years, I will not be taking orders at the Gathering and mailing 
shirts / hats.  I will have a few extra of common sizes at the 
Gathering but can't guarantee having a hat or shirt your size unless 
you pre-order.  If you order a hat / shirt and are unable to attend 
the Gathering, I will sell your order at the Gathering.  Sorry to get 
so persnickety in my old age but nine years of tracking / shipping/ 
etc. orders for hats and shirts outside the Gathering dates has 
proven not to be worth my time and effort.

So, if you want a hat or shirt, order (pre-register 
at  http://www.bouyea.net/KRGathering/ ) by August 20 or send me an 
e-mail ( flesner at frontier.com ) with shirt size by August 20.

John,  if possible, plan to have all registrations posted on the 20th 
and I will use that as a final count.  Thanks...

Larry Flesner
flesner at frontier.com

KR> Small Vendors and tasteless remarks

[Paul Visk]

Ok, ?I guess I'm going to have to chime in one more time. ?My opinion Steve and 
?NVArow has done more for the kr2 movement than anyone else and with him 
getting the rights (I guess) to the plans. He can keep them in stock so he can 
ship them them alot faster.?The issues I have for ANY company is that they take 
your money and don't comuicate with you when there is a unreasonable delay. ?I 
understand things can held up or not under there control. But when this happens 
the company has a responsibility to keep their customers informed.?
Again just my opinion.?Excuse my grammar. ?I'm not a very good writer.?


Paul Visk?Belleville IL ?618 406 4705
Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4

 Original message 
From: Jeff Scott via KRnet  
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 08/10/2016  4:39 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: krnet at list.krnet.org 
Cc: Jeff Scott  
Subject: KR> Small Vendors and tasteless remarks 

Well kids, I'd suggest some restraint the keyboard.? As Marc Baca eloquently 
explained, many of these small business guys are doing what they do for 
practically nothing... or less, because they love sharing the knowledge they 
have accumulated.? It does none of us any good to denigrate them or their work. 


-Jeff Scott
?
---?
?
It must be a southern California thing.?

KR> Here's Good News! 11 KRs Flying in to the Gathering!

[John Bouyea]

A bit behind in my updates but a big Welcome to Dean, Brad, Eric & Kevin,
the latest guys to register for the 2016 KR Gathering at Mt. Vernon! You can
see the entire list of 34 guys on the "Attendee List" 

And an expected 11 airplanes flying in at last count!

There's a bunch of KMVN specifics on the Airport Information page.

Finally, an At-A-Boy to Paul Visk for lining up so many sponsors. Check them
out on the Gathering webpage;

http://www.bouyea.net/KRGathering/index.html 



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

2015 KR at MMV Gathering CoHost

KR> TIME-OUT! Re: Small Vendors and tasteless remarks

[Chris Kinnaman]

Sorry Mark, I was typing & didn't see your notice.

Chris K

On 8/10/2016 4:08 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet wrote:
>  This conversation ends now, or we'll all go into time-out for a few 
> days until we respect others a bit more.  Free un-subscriptions will 
> be freely handed out...
>
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> ML at N56ML.com
> http://www.n56ml.com
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KR> Small Vendors and tasteless remarks

[Chris Kinnaman]

It's not just a Southern California thing. As a small business owner 
serving the E-AB community, I can tell you there are very few vendors in 
my boat who are doing their aviation stuff as their only "job" - and I 
believe only a very few are making any money beyond covering costs. The 
majority are operating at a loss, investing money earned from other work 
to keep the av activities alive. I promise you this: if customers had to 
pay for items with the costs of the labor of the one-person operation 
factored in at rate that was reasonable and accurate, they would be 
yelling that they couldn't afford it. If you want to save money and have 
your components right at hand, on your schedule, make them yourself. 
It's not a mystery. But figure out how much your own time is worth per 
hour and include that in your costs.

Chris K.

On 8/10/2016 3:39 PM, Jeff Scott via KRnet wrote:
> ... As Marc Baca eloquently explained, many of these small business guys are 
> doing what they do for practically nothing... or less, because they love 
> sharing the knowledge they have accumulated.  It does none of us any good to 
> denigrate them or their work...  But many of us are glad you are there.
>
> -Jeff Scott
>   
> ---
>   
> It must be a southern California thing. : )
>

KR> KR2S For Sale

[Dan Prichard]

What an exciting afternoon. I still have my KR2S project for sale or trade in 
Portland Oregon. Would be happy to discuss. 
Dan Prichard
Dprich01 at comcast.net
503-715-7178

Sent from my iPhone

KR> Small Vendors and tasteless remarks

[Doran Jaffas]

Hello Jeff
I COMPLETELY agree but eho is this Steve G. that keeps going off and
how does he get shut down??
On Aug 10, 2016 5:39 PM, "Jeff Scott via KRnet" 
wrote:

> Well kids, I'd suggest some restraint the keyboard.  As Marc Baca
> eloquently explained, many of these small business guys are doing what they
> do for practically nothing... or less, because they love sharing the
> knowledge they have accumulated.  It does none of us any good to denigrate
> them or their work.  FWIW, I'm glad guys like Jim Weir, Steve Glover, Marty
> Roberts, et al are around.  Otherwise I would feel an obligation to produce
> some KR parts myself, and I don't want to spend my retirement producing
> parts at a financial loss.  I'd a lot rather people like Steve, Jim, and
> Marty continue doing what they do because the love doing it.  It's a tough
> business and requires a thick skin as you don't get a lot of positive
> feedback for your efforts.  But many of us are glad you are there.
>
> -Jeff Scott
>
> ---
>
> It must be a southern California thing. : )
>
>
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KR> Fwd: Re: RST Engineering

[Doran Jaffas]

-- Forwarded message --
From: "Steve G." 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Aug 10, 2016 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: KR> RST Engineering
To: "Doran Jaffas" 
Cc:

How about kiss my ass. That's swearing enough for you? I'm pretty sick of
all you want to bees thinking that you actually know something and want
everything for free.

Steve Glover

Sent from my electronic leash.

> On Aug 10, 2016, at 13:32, Doran Jaffas via KRnet 
wrote:
>
> Cut the swearing and insults.
>> On Aug 10, 2016 3:03 PM, "Steve G. via KRnet" 
wrote:
>>
>> He's in NorCal dumb ass. Thanks for the dig.
>>
>> Steve Glover
>>
>> Sent from my electronic leash.
>>
 On Aug 10, 2016, at 11:35, Paul Visk via KRnet 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It must be a southern California thing. : )
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Visk Belleville IL  618 406 4705
>>> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Doran Jaffas via KRnet 
>>> Date: 08/10/2016  1:14 PM  (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: KRnet 
>>> Cc: Doran Jaffas 
>>> Subject: Re: KR> RST Engineering
>>>
>>> No issue and what you say makes sense.
>>> On Aug 10, 2016 2:13 PM, "Jeff Scott via KRnet" 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 Sorry, this post should have had the subject label changed to RST
 Engineering

 While I know you want to receive this stuff right away, keep in mind
you
 are dealing with a small business that is a one man show, and that you
 ordered just as they were ramping up for Oshkosh, then had to travel
>> from
 California to Oshkosh (likely in a camper), then was at Oshkosh for at
 least a week, then is traveling back home again and trying to pick up
>> the
 pieces. Maybe... Just maybe, he is throwing in a few days of vacation
on
 the way home from Oshkosh to try to get his head back on straight after
>> the
 rush of orders taken at Oshkosh. It's not a huge surprise to me that he
 hasn't replied to an email, nor is it a surprise that nothing was
>> shipped
 in the last 3 weeks. Jim Weir also writes a monthly column for
>> "Kitplanes"
 and probably needs to get another column out the door to meet the
>> oshkosh
 show report deadline, so I don't think he has flown the coop. But I do
 think he is a really busy man and you have caught him at the peak of
his
 busiest time of year.

 I would guess he should be back home again this week and doing business
 again. This is a one man show business that has been around for a long
>> time
 and is well known in the pilot community. A little patience will
>> probably
 go a long ways.

 -Jeff Scott
 Los Alamos, NM


> HI I am having trouble with buying a kit from rst engineering
> paid 3 weeks ago
> sent 2 emails about when it is to arrive
> never answered my emails
> paid with paypal so did a paypal item purchased not received
> still did not get any email from them
> they are in californa as I am
> paypal said they sent an email asking about this but i have not
>> received
> the item nor have i every received any email
> makes me kinda wonder why not at least an email
> tom laudato


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KR> RST Engineering

[Paul Visk]

It must be a southern California thing. : )


Paul Visk?Belleville IL ?618 406 4705
Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4

 Original message 
From: Doran Jaffas via KRnet  
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 08/10/2016  1:14 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: KRnet  
Cc: Doran Jaffas  
Subject: Re: KR> RST Engineering 

No issue and what you say makes sense.
On Aug 10, 2016 2:13 PM, "Jeff Scott via KRnet" 
wrote:

>
>
> Sorry, this post should have had the subject label changed to RST
> Engineering
>
> While I know you want to receive this stuff right away, keep in mind you
> are dealing with a small business that is a one man show, and that you
> ordered just as they were ramping up for Oshkosh, then had to travel from
> California to Oshkosh (likely in a camper), then was at Oshkosh for at
> least a week, then is traveling back home again and trying to pick up the
> pieces. Maybe... Just maybe, he is throwing in a few days of vacation on
> the way home from Oshkosh to try to get his head back on straight after the
> rush of orders taken at Oshkosh. It's not a huge surprise to me that he
> hasn't replied to an email, nor is it a surprise that nothing was shipped
> in the last 3 weeks. Jim Weir also writes a monthly column for "Kitplanes"
> and probably needs to get another column out the door to meet the oshkosh
> show report deadline, so I don't think he has flown the coop. But I do
> think he is a really busy man and you have caught him at the peak of his
> busiest time of year.
>
> I would guess he should be back home again this week and doing business
> again. This is a one man show business that has been around for a long time
> and is well known in the pilot community. A little patience will probably
> go a long ways.
>
> -Jeff Scott
> Los Alamos, NM
>
>
> > HI I am having trouble with buying a kit from rst engineering
> > paid 3 weeks ago
> > sent 2 emails about when it is to arrive
> > never answered my emails
> > paid with paypal so did a paypal item purchased not received
> > still did not get any email from them
> > they are in californa as I am
> > paypal said they sent an email asking about this but i have not received
> > the item nor have i every received any email
> > makes me kinda wonder why not at least an email
> > tom laudato
>
>
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KR> RST Engineering

[Doran Jaffas]

Cut the swearing and insults.
On Aug 10, 2016 3:03 PM, "Steve G. via KRnet"  wrote:

> He's in NorCal dumb ass. Thanks for the dig.
>
> Steve Glover
>
> Sent from my electronic leash.
>
> > On Aug 10, 2016, at 11:35, Paul Visk via KRnet 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > It must be a southern California thing. : )
> >
> >
> > Paul Visk Belleville IL  618 406 4705
> > Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
> >
> >  Original message 
> > From: Doran Jaffas via KRnet 
> > Date: 08/10/2016  1:14 PM  (GMT-06:00)
> > To: KRnet 
> > Cc: Doran Jaffas 
> > Subject: Re: KR> RST Engineering
> >
> > No issue and what you say makes sense.
> > On Aug 10, 2016 2:13 PM, "Jeff Scott via KRnet" 
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Sorry, this post should have had the subject label changed to RST
> >> Engineering
> >>
> >> While I know you want to receive this stuff right away, keep in mind you
> >> are dealing with a small business that is a one man show, and that you
> >> ordered just as they were ramping up for Oshkosh, then had to travel
> from
> >> California to Oshkosh (likely in a camper), then was at Oshkosh for at
> >> least a week, then is traveling back home again and trying to pick up
> the
> >> pieces. Maybe... Just maybe, he is throwing in a few days of vacation on
> >> the way home from Oshkosh to try to get his head back on straight after
> the
> >> rush of orders taken at Oshkosh. It's not a huge surprise to me that he
> >> hasn't replied to an email, nor is it a surprise that nothing was
> shipped
> >> in the last 3 weeks. Jim Weir also writes a monthly column for
> "Kitplanes"
> >> and probably needs to get another column out the door to meet the
> oshkosh
> >> show report deadline, so I don't think he has flown the coop. But I do
> >> think he is a really busy man and you have caught him at the peak of his
> >> busiest time of year.
> >>
> >> I would guess he should be back home again this week and doing business
> >> again. This is a one man show business that has been around for a long
> time
> >> and is well known in the pilot community. A little patience will
> probably
> >> go a long ways.
> >>
> >> -Jeff Scott
> >> Los Alamos, NM
> >>
> >>
> >>> HI I am having trouble with buying a kit from rst engineering
> >>> paid 3 weeks ago
> >>> sent 2 emails about when it is to arrive
> >>> never answered my emails
> >>> paid with paypal so did a paypal item purchased not received
> >>> still did not get any email from them
> >>> they are in californa as I am
> >>> paypal said they sent an email asking about this but i have not
> received
> >>> the item nor have i every received any email
> >>> makes me kinda wonder why not at least an email
> >>> tom laudato
> >>
> >>
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KR> RST Engineering

[Steve G.]

He's in NorCal dumb ass. Thanks for the dig. 

Steve Glover

Sent from my electronic leash. 

> On Aug 10, 2016, at 11:35, Paul Visk via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> It must be a southern California thing. : )
> 
> 
> Paul Visk Belleville IL  618 406 4705
> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Doran Jaffas via KRnet  
> Date: 08/10/2016  1:14 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
> To: KRnet  
> Cc: Doran Jaffas  
> Subject: Re: KR> RST Engineering 
> 
> No issue and what you say makes sense.
> On Aug 10, 2016 2:13 PM, "Jeff Scott via KRnet" 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry, this post should have had the subject label changed to RST
>> Engineering
>> 
>> While I know you want to receive this stuff right away, keep in mind you
>> are dealing with a small business that is a one man show, and that you
>> ordered just as they were ramping up for Oshkosh, then had to travel from
>> California to Oshkosh (likely in a camper), then was at Oshkosh for at
>> least a week, then is traveling back home again and trying to pick up the
>> pieces. Maybe... Just maybe, he is throwing in a few days of vacation on
>> the way home from Oshkosh to try to get his head back on straight after the
>> rush of orders taken at Oshkosh. It's not a huge surprise to me that he
>> hasn't replied to an email, nor is it a surprise that nothing was shipped
>> in the last 3 weeks. Jim Weir also writes a monthly column for "Kitplanes"
>> and probably needs to get another column out the door to meet the oshkosh
>> show report deadline, so I don't think he has flown the coop. But I do
>> think he is a really busy man and you have caught him at the peak of his
>> busiest time of year.
>> 
>> I would guess he should be back home again this week and doing business
>> again. This is a one man show business that has been around for a long time
>> and is well known in the pilot community. A little patience will probably
>> go a long ways.
>> 
>> -Jeff Scott
>> Los Alamos, NM
>> 
>> 
>>> HI I am having trouble with buying a kit from rst engineering
>>> paid 3 weeks ago
>>> sent 2 emails about when it is to arrive
>>> never answered my emails
>>> paid with paypal so did a paypal item purchased not received
>>> still did not get any email from them
>>> they are in californa as I am
>>> paypal said they sent an email asking about this but i have not received
>>> the item nor have i every received any email
>>> makes me kinda wonder why not at least an email
>>> tom laudato
>> 
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KR> Antenna kit from RST Engineering

[s_sbal at hotmail.com]

Paul,


Many thanks for your offer, I accept with pleasure. Once you get your kit, 
please contact me offline to arrange the split.


Stefan






StefanI ordered a kit July 15. I'm still waiting for it.?All I need is two 
antanas for my VOR and one for my glide slope. I would gladly spit it with you.


Paul Visk?Belleville IL 

KR> RST Engineering

[Doran Jaffas]

No issue and what you say makes sense.
On Aug 10, 2016 2:13 PM, "Jeff Scott via KRnet" 
wrote:

>
>
> Sorry, this post should have had the subject label changed to RST
> Engineering
>
> While I know you want to receive this stuff right away, keep in mind you
> are dealing with a small business that is a one man show, and that you
> ordered just as they were ramping up for Oshkosh, then had to travel from
> California to Oshkosh (likely in a camper), then was at Oshkosh for at
> least a week, then is traveling back home again and trying to pick up the
> pieces. Maybe... Just maybe, he is throwing in a few days of vacation on
> the way home from Oshkosh to try to get his head back on straight after the
> rush of orders taken at Oshkosh. It's not a huge surprise to me that he
> hasn't replied to an email, nor is it a surprise that nothing was shipped
> in the last 3 weeks. Jim Weir also writes a monthly column for "Kitplanes"
> and probably needs to get another column out the door to meet the oshkosh
> show report deadline, so I don't think he has flown the coop. But I do
> think he is a really busy man and you have caught him at the peak of his
> busiest time of year.
>
> I would guess he should be back home again this week and doing business
> again. This is a one man show business that has been around for a long time
> and is well known in the pilot community. A little patience will probably
> go a long ways.
>
> -Jeff Scott
> Los Alamos, NM
>
>
> > HI I am having trouble with buying a kit from rst engineering
> > paid 3 weeks ago
> > sent 2 emails about when it is to arrive
> > never answered my emails
> > paid with paypal so did a paypal item purchased not received
> > still did not get any email from them
> > they are in californa as I am
> > paypal said they sent an email asking about this but i have not received
> > the item nor have i every received any email
> > makes me kinda wonder why not at least an email
> > tom laudato
>
>
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KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208

[Doran Jaffas]

That makes sense but a recording stating such when one calls would be good.
I had sort of the same issue with a gun I sent in that had me really
concerned.
Patience goes a long way but customer service stating a particular reason
for delays even on a recording does too.
On Aug 10, 2016 2:01 PM, "Jeff Scott via KRnet" 
wrote:

>
> While I know you want to receive this stuff right away, keep in mind you
> are dealing with a small business that is a one man show, and that you
> ordered just as they were ramping up for Oshkosh, then had to travel from
> California to Oshkosh (likely in a camper), then was at Oshkosh for at
> least a week, then is traveling back home again and trying to pick up the
> pieces.  Maybe... Just maybe, he is throwing in a few days of vacation on
> the way home from Oshkosh to try to get his head back on straight after the
> rush of orders taken at Oshkosh.  It's not a huge surprise to me that he
> hasn't replied to an email, nor is it a surprise that nothing was shipped
> in the last 3 weeks.  Jim Weir also writes a monthly column for "Kitplanes"
> and probably needs to get another column out the door to meet the oshkosh
> show report deadline, so I don't think he has flown the coop.  But I do
> think he is a really busy man and you have caught him at the peak of his
> busiest time of year.
>
> I would guess he should be back home again this week and doing business
> again.  This is a one man show business that has been around for a long
> time and is well known in the pilot community.  A little patience will
> probably go a long ways.
>
> -Jeff Scott
> Los Alamos, NM
>
>
> > HI I am having trouble with buying a kit from rst engineering
> > paid 3 weeks ago
> > sent 2 emails about when it is to arrive
> > never answered my emails
> > paid with paypal so did a paypal item purchased not received
> > still did not get any email from them
> > they are in californa as I am
> > paypal said they sent an email asking about this but i have not received
> > the item nor have i every received any email
> > makes me kinda wonder why not at least an email
> > tom laudato
>
>
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KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208

[Doran Jaffas]

If you can get their phone number and call them. otherwise if you are
outside the country let me know and I will see what I can do
On Aug 10, 2016 12:14 PM, "tommylaudato--- via KRnet" 
wrote:

> HI  I am having trouble with buying a kit from rst engineering
> paid 3 weeks ago
> sent 2 emails about when it is to arrive
> never answered my emails
> paid with paypal  so did a paypal item purchased not received
> still did not get any email from them
> they are in californa as I am
> paypal said they sent an email asking about this but i have not received
> the item nor have i every received any email
> makes me kinda wonder why not at least an email
> tom laudato
>
>
> On 8/10/2016 11:00 PM, krnet-request at list.krnet.org wrote:
>
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>> 1.  Oshkosh 2016 Video (svd)
>> 2.  Antenna kit from RST Engineering (S)
>> 3. Re:  Antenna kit from RST Engineering (Paul Visk)
>> 4. Re:  Antenna kit from RST Engineering (s_sbal at hotmail.com)
>> 5. Re:  KR1 For Sale (Glen Wilcox)
>> 6. Re:  Antenna kit from RST Engineering (Doran Jaffas)
>> 7. Re:  KR1 For Sale (Doran Jaffas)
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 11:15:36 -0700
>> From: svd 
>> To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" 
>> Subject: KR> Oshkosh 2016 Video
>> Message-ID: <7092F4FC-5994-4A9F-96E1-9939D9594BEB at yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Back now from an epic adventure out to OSH with three Young Eagles. We
>> were parked out at the north end of the North40 - Siberia! We were camped
>> just under Harrison Ford's windows at the Hilton's. This was the first time
>> I had second thoughts about camping... (Old or contrast - I'm not sure.)
>> Tried to get them to park us at B2OSH, but no joy.
>>
>> Highlights:
>> B2OSH Party Sunday night.
>> Great forums
>>- Go Bonanza Maintenance Guru Bob Ripley!
>>- Great KR Forum Mark - Thanks for showing Cedric your plane!
>> Fun Concerts
>> Star Wars introduced by Harrison Ford! (though he seemed a bit drunk)
>> Hoover Dinner!
>> The ever enchanting Seaplane Base
>>   - Thanks to Mark Hangen for giving the kids a float experience!
>> Beautiful Vintage and Classics
>> Delightful Ultralights
>> Para Gliders!
>> And as always - planes planes planes!
>>
>> This was my 5th flight out to OSH - first time was 1987. I love Oshkosh
>> (still have a hard time calling it Airventure), but need at least a 3 year
>> break between visits. Advice: Go! Lots of folks I talk to are put off by
>> the thought of high traffic. The Ripon-Fisk arrival is an amazing system
>> that is easy and works! Airventure is unlike any other aviation event, or
>> maybe its like all of them combined.
>>
>> After Airventure I dropped the gals off at the EAA Air Academy camp, and
>> headed up to Canada to visit family with my son.
>>
>> Have to appreciate our traveling machines!
>>
>> Check out our video:
>> http://youtu.be/uHGx25FIYDg 
>>
>> Don't forget to select full HD resolution.
>>
>> (I snuck pictures of my planes (Cessna 140  and Osprey 2 amphib) from
>> pervious years into the video.)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Owen Hughes
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 04:25:08 -0400
>> From: S 
>> To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" 
>> Subject: KR> Antenna kit from RST Engineering
>> Message-ID: 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> KRNetters,
>>
>> Is there anybody in the lower 48 intending to install a foil antenna
>> under some fiberglass surface? I tried to order a kit from RST Engineering
>> (priced $29) but got rejected as non-US PayPal account... This kit is good
>> for 6 antennas and we may share it with a fellow builder, in case somebody
>> is interested.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Stefan Balatchev
>> Ottawa, ON, Canada
>> s_sbal "at" hotmail.com
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 06:18:11 -0500
>> From: Paul Visk 
>> To: KRnet 
>> Subject: Re: KR> Antenna kit from RST Engineering
>> Message-ID: <970qyfjb2r8njm0kjrsyjfad.1470827891007 at email.android.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>>
>>  StefanI ordered a kit July 15. I'm still waiting for it.?All I need
>> is two antanas for my VOR and one for my glide slope. I would gladly spit
>> it with you.
>>
>> 

KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 208

[tommylaudato at hotmail.com]

HI  I am having trouble with buying a kit from rst engineering
paid 3 weeks ago
sent 2 emails about when it is to arrive
never answered my emails
paid with paypal  so did a paypal item purchased not received
still did not get any email from them
they are in californa as I am
paypal said they sent an email asking about this but i have not received 
the item nor have i every received any email
makes me kinda wonder why not at least an email
tom laudato


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> 1.  Oshkosh 2016 Video (svd)
> 2.  Antenna kit from RST Engineering (S)
> 3. Re:  Antenna kit from RST Engineering (Paul Visk)
> 4. Re:  Antenna kit from RST Engineering (s_sbal at hotmail.com)
> 5. Re:  KR1 For Sale (Glen Wilcox)
> 6. Re:  Antenna kit from RST Engineering (Doran Jaffas)
> 7. Re:  KR1 For Sale (Doran Jaffas)
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 11:15:36 -0700
> From: svd 
> To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" 
> Subject: KR> Oshkosh 2016 Video
> Message-ID: <7092F4FC-5994-4A9F-96E1-9939D9594BEB at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi All,
>
> Back now from an epic adventure out to OSH with three Young Eagles. We were 
> parked out at the north end of the North40 - Siberia! We were camped just 
> under Harrison Ford's windows at the Hilton's. This was the first time I had 
> second thoughts about camping... (Old or contrast - I'm not sure.) Tried to 
> get them to park us at B2OSH, but no joy.
>
> Highlights:
> B2OSH Party Sunday night.
> Great forums
>- Go Bonanza Maintenance Guru Bob Ripley!
>- Great KR Forum Mark - Thanks for showing Cedric your plane!
> Fun Concerts
> Star Wars introduced by Harrison Ford! (though he seemed a bit drunk)
> Hoover Dinner!
> The ever enchanting Seaplane Base
>   - Thanks to Mark Hangen for giving the kids a float experience!
> Beautiful Vintage and Classics
> Delightful Ultralights
> Para Gliders!
> And as always - planes planes planes!
>
> This was my 5th flight out to OSH - first time was 1987. I love Oshkosh 
> (still have a hard time calling it Airventure), but need at least a 3 year 
> break between visits. Advice: Go! Lots of folks I talk to are put off by the 
> thought of high traffic. The Ripon-Fisk arrival is an amazing system that is 
> easy and works! Airventure is unlike any other aviation event, or maybe its 
> like all of them combined.
>
> After Airventure I dropped the gals off at the EAA Air Academy camp, and 
> headed up to Canada to visit family with my son.
>
> Have to appreciate our traveling machines!
>
> Check out our video:
> http://youtu.be/uHGx25FIYDg 
>
> Don't forget to select full HD resolution.
>
> (I snuck pictures of my planes (Cessna 140  and Osprey 2 amphib) from 
> pervious years into the video.)
>
> Cheers,
> Owen Hughes
>
> --
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 04:25:08 -0400
> From: S 
> To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" 
> Subject: KR> Antenna kit from RST Engineering
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> KRNetters,
>
> Is there anybody in the lower 48 intending to install a foil antenna under 
> some fiberglass surface? I tried to order a kit from RST Engineering (priced 
> $29) but got rejected as non-US PayPal account... This kit is good for 6 
> antennas and we may share it with a fellow builder, in case somebody is 
> interested.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Stefan Balatchev
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
> s_sbal "at" hotmail.com
>   
>
> --
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 06:18:11 -0500
> From: Paul Visk 
> To: KRnet 
> Subject: Re: KR> Antenna kit from RST Engineering
> Message-ID: <970qyfjb2r8njm0kjrsyjfad.1470827891007 at email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
>  
> StefanI ordered a kit July 15. I'm still waiting for it.?All I need is two 
> antanas for my VOR and one for my glide slope. I would gladly spit it with 
> you.
>
> Paul Visk?Belleville IL ?618 406 4705
> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
>
>  Original message 
> From: S via KRnet 
> Date: 08/10/2016  3:25 AM  (GMT-06:00)
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Cc: S 
> Subject: KR> Antenna kit from RST Engineering
>
> 

KR> KR1 For Sale

[Doran Jaffas]

Do you have a propeller?
  D. Jaffas   vintageaircraftowner at gmail.com
 Central Lower Mich.
On Aug 10, 2016 8:52 AM, "Glen Wilcox via KRnet" 
wrote:

>
> On Craigslist in Los Angeles, CA ? lots of photos on Craigslist.
>
> Search ventura(dot)craigslist(dot)org for KR-1
>
> and Barnstormers:
>
>  KR-1 PROJECT ? $950 ? FOR SALE ? Includes the canoe, rudder, elevator,
> spars, retract landing gear, foam, cloth, tires & brakes, etc. ? Contact
> Clinton D. Seal, Owner - located Camarillo, CA USA ?
>
> Sent again because it's not showing up on the archive. Don't know why.
>
>
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KR> Antenna kit from RST Engineering

[Doran Jaffas]

I had no intention of doing so but if no one else comes to your rescue give
me a shout and maybe I can order it for you on Friday
On Aug 10, 2016 4:25 AM, "S via KRnet"  wrote:

> KRNetters,
>
> Is there anybody in the lower 48 intending to install a foil antenna under
> some fiberglass surface? I tried to order a kit from RST Engineering
> (priced $29) but got rejected as non-US PayPal account... This kit is good
> for 6 antennas and we may share it with a fellow builder, in case somebody
> is interested.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Stefan Balatchev
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
> s_sbal "at" hotmail.com
>
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KR> Antenna kit from RST Engineering

[Paul Visk]

StefanI ordered a kit July 15. I'm still waiting for it.?All I need is two 
antanas for my VOR and one for my glide slope. I would gladly spit it with you.

Paul Visk?Belleville IL ?618 406 4705
Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4

 Original message 
From: S via KRnet  
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 08/10/2016  3:25 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: krnet at list.krnet.org 
Cc: S  
Subject: KR> Antenna kit from RST Engineering 

KRNetters,

Is there anybody in the lower 48 intending to install a foil antenna under some 
fiberglass surface? I tried to order a kit from RST Engineering

Stefan Balatchev

KR> KR1 For Sale

[Glen Wilcox]

On Craigslist in Los Angeles, CA ? lots of photos on Craigslist.

Search ventura(dot)craigslist(dot)org for KR-1

and Barnstormers:

 KR-1 PROJECT ? $950 ? FOR SALE ? Includes the canoe, rudder, elevator, spars, 
retract landing gear, foam, cloth, tires & brakes, etc. ? Contact Clinton D. 
Seal, Owner - located Camarillo, CA USA ?

Sent again because it's not showing up on the archive. Don't know why.

KR> Antenna kit from RST Engineering

[S]

KRNetters,

Is there anybody in the lower 48 intending to install a foil antenna under some 
fiberglass surface? I tried to order a kit from RST Engineering (priced $29) 
but got rejected as non-US PayPal account... This kit is good for 6 antennas 
and we may share it with a fellow builder, in case somebody is interested. 

Thank you,

Stefan Balatchev
Ottawa, ON, Canada
s_sbal "at" hotmail.com