Re: KR> FOR SALE

[Rudi Venter via KRnet]

Fly it anywhere?

Ok, in that case I will take it Mark!

Sorry you have to sell

Rudi

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Mark Jones via KRnet 
wrote:

> My KR2S is up for sale. Make me an offer!!!
> RESPOND ONLY to flyk...@brighthouse.com
> DO NOT REPLY TO THE KR NET
>
> This aircraft is 100% airworthy as I would not hesitate to fly it
> anywhere. Last flew on 12/23/2016.
> Everyone always wants to know why you are selling. Just don’t ask as I
> wish I did not have to.
>
>
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Re: KR> Oil Cooler Stop-Leak

[Rudi Venter via KRnet]

Hi Mike!

Now I wonder if this would also help for a worn crankshaft? :-)

Fly safe,
Rudi

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 12:14 AM, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet <
krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:

>
> I think it was at Manny, Moe and Jacks I saw a bottle of "Oil Cooler
> Stop-Leak" that you just pour in your crankcase and the secret
> ingredients go right to where the leak is and fixes it.  It says on the
> label that if it's a bad leak it might take more than one bottle.
>
> "Your mileage may vary . . ."
>
> Mike
> KSEE
>
>
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KR> Happy New year!

[Rudi Venter via KRnet]

Happy New Year to all the KR'netters! May 2017 be filled with lots of safe
KR flights!

Unfortunately my New years flight was not in a KR as both my flying KR2's
are "down for maintenance", one needs new brakes and the other has an oil
leak in the oil cooler.

Operating from a 2400' runway that is 4800' high with DA often around 9-10
000' brakes are quite important

So my New Years flight was in a plane a bit like a KR1, just s bit slower!
Here she is:

http://rudix.site/Blog/30122016/img_3234_std.jpg

Fly safe Everyone,
Rudi
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KR> ZS-VYZ refurbush just aboute complete

[Rudi Venter]

Thanks Joe!

Here is her stable mate ZU-CGR

http://rudix.site/zu-cgr/Photos/rv7_5708_std.jpg


On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 6:01 PM, bjoenunley  wrote:

> Rudi,
>
> Beautiful plane!
>
>
>
> Joe Nunley
> CW2 US Army Retired
> Baker JROTC Instructor
> Baker Florida
>

KR> ZS-VYZ refurbish just about complete

[Rudi Venter]

South Africa.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 5:05 PM, peter via KRnet 
wrote:

> Rudi; Zimbabwe?
>
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KR> ZS-VYZ refurbish just about complete

[Rudi Venter]

Hi Everyone.

Yesterday was a great day for me, my KR pride and joy, ZS-VYZ is now back
at the flying field after a lengthy refurbish. I still need to do a bit of
work on the brakes, need to replace the hydraulic tubes, and she needs a
new oil cooler but she will be flying again soon restored to her former
glory.

She can be seen in the links below:

http://rudix.site/Post/img_7804c_std-2.jpg

http://rudix.site/Post/img_3746_std-2.jpg

She now joins my other KR2, ZU-CGR on the "status: flying" side of the
fleet.

Fly safe,
Rudi

KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin

[Rudi Venter]

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

>
> Whatever you do, do NOT waste your money on an MGL iEFIS.  I've been
> meaning to write this up for several months, but I know it would take me
> many weeks to list the many hardware and software failures that I've had
> with mine.  I will attempt a "short list" tonight.  I agree with Rudi that
> the previous MGL units we apparently good, but the iEFIS is an exception.
>
> Please consider the lowly iPad or iPad Mini.  These things are bullet
> proof, and can run all kinds of apps with thousands of users and very well
> developed software.  I bought a practically new Mini from ebay for $154
> last week. More tonight...
>
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> http://www.n56ml.com
>
> Interesting point on the iEFIS Mark, I have not seen one of those in a
local plane but you are not the first one to mention problems with the
unit! Lately I have used the XTreme-EFIS with great results as well as some
of their older products. I also have lots of their digital instruments in
my planes and they all work well.

I fully agree on the iPad/mini, I have been using one for a while in the
plane and I am really happy running software like Air Nav Pro and the great
EasyCockpit/EasyPlan/EasyWeather (Southern Africa only I think) suite of
software.

Rudi Venter

KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin

[Rudi Venter]

Hi Stef.

I might be slightly biased (it is a local product) but I think the MGL
products are really great! We have a lot of them installed at our local
field and everyone seems really happy. My personal experience has also been
great, it seems like a good product with good support and it is extremely
flexible to adapt to your setup.

Hope you get your KR flying soon!

Fly Safe,
Rudi

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Stef den Boer via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Hi kr friends
> I am bussy with my engine cowling and finalise everything for the engine.
> The
> prop wil be next month arrive so we are making progress.
> In a few months in need to make a final decission about the efis I need to
> install.
> I made my mind up for the Garmin g3x, but this one cant measure the
> fuelflow
> from a puls for the injectiin system. It is possible but you have to use 2
> units
> to measure it. One in the pressure line And one in the return fuel line.
> So now
> I am again in a doubt for the latest MGL or Dynon system. If the money
> Bucket is
> not empty I will direct plan a auto pilot system.
> So what is your experiance with the Dynon or MGL.
> Europe nav database update cost? And more info is welkome.
> Thanks Stef
>
>

KR> Where should the mains be located at on a standard KR2?

[Rudi Venter]

I have 2 conventional geared KR2's, on both the landing gear is attached to
the front of the spar. With the seats empty and the front tank full they
are very light on the tail and it is easy to tip them onto the nose
especially if the plane is level. Once 1 or both seats are filled and the
tail is on the ground there is a lot more weight on the tail.

The attachment point can be seen on the photo below:

http://www.rudix.site/ZU-AMV/dsc_9518_std.jpg

Fly safe,
Rudi

KR> Hand propping VW

[Rudi Venter]

With a nose wheel equipped KR it is quite easy to setup safe single person
operation with a hand propped VW.

I carry a chock with a rope that can reach the cockpit, I can then start
the plane, walk around and get into the plane and get comfortable. Once
ready I simply "reel in the chock" and I am ready to go.

The chock can be seen "deployed" in the photo in the link below.

http://www.rudix.site/zu-cgr/Photos/rv7_5708_std.jpg

Fly safe,
Rudi

KR> Hand propping VW

[Rudi Venter]

With a nose wheel equipped KR it is quite easy to setup safe single person
operation with a hand propped VW.

I carry a chock with a rope that can reach the cockpit, I can then start
the plane, walk around and get into the plane and get comfortable. Once
ready I simply "reel in the chock" and I am ready to go.

The chock can be seen "deployed" in the photo in the link below.

http://www.rudix.site/zu-cgr/Photos/rv7_5708_std.jpg

Fly safe,
Rudi

KR> Hand propping VW

[Rudi Venter]

With a nose wheel equipped KR it is quite easy to setup safe single person
operation with a hand propped VW.

I carry a chock with a rope that can reach the cockpit, I can then start
the plane, walk around and get into the plane and get comfortable. Once
ready I simply "reel in the chock" and I am ready to go.

The chock can be seen "deployed" in the photo in the link below.

http://www.rudix.site/zu-cgr/Photos/rv7_5708_std.jpg

Fly safe,
Rudi

KR> Hand propping VW

[Rudi Venter]

Hi Everyone.

I own a KR2 with a 2.3l water-cooled VW without electric start. I found
that once you have the priming cycle sorted out it really starts easy and
it is not dangerous, no more than any other hand propped engine.

I agree with the rule "NEVER open the throttle more than a crack" for
starting!

Wish I could get my hands on a KR1, I just love little single seaters
having recently acquired a Druine D.31 Turbulent.

Fly safe,
Rudi

KR> Fuel cells

[Rudi Venter]

Hi Joe,

Thanks! The info is a bit old, will be updating it as time allows. Yes I do
have an old photo of the tanks, it now looks a bit different with different
seats but at least you can kind of see the tanks. They are made from
fiberglass, one behind each seat with around 18l capacity each. They are
linked with a pipe and have one filler, you can see it on the right top of
the photo below.

The tanks are used for longer flights only, fuel is transferred to the main
tank with an electric pump when there is space in the main tank.

You can see the (old) photo here: http://www.rudix.site/
zu-cgr/Info/img_2837_std.jpg

Hope it helps!
Rudi

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 7:34 PM, bjoenunley via KRnet 
 wrote:

KR> First flight, Finally

[Rudi Venter]

Well done Mike!

Fantastic to see another KR flying!

Rudi in sunny South Africa

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 2:05 AM, Mike Sylvester via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> OK Guys, Now that I'm down from a near adrenaline overdose (LOL). This is
> my story.

KR> first flight details.

[Rudi Venter]

Well done Mike!

Fantastic to see another KR flying!

Rudi in sunny South Africa

On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 2:05 AM, Mike Sylvester via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> OK Guys, Now that I'm down from a near adrenaline overdose (LOL). This is
> my story.
>

KR> 2016 Gathering photos

[Rudi Venter]

Thanks for sharing the photos!

Rudi

KR> KR meeting

[Rudi Venter]

Hope everyone is having fun at the KR gathering! I am really jealous! 
But flying there would be a major expedition

Have fun and fly safe,
Rudi

KR> First forum at the gathering

[Rudi Venter]

Hope everyone is having fun at the KR gathering! I am really jealous! But
flying there would be a major expedition

Have fun and fly safe,
Rudi

KR> Henni's KR2 and name check

[Rudi Venter via KRnet]

Hi Everyone!

I checked my name on the list server and it is there, hope it works

Just a note on Henni's special KR2. I have known Henni for quiet a while 
and we have had many flying adventures in the past! I hope we will soon 
have KR flying adventures to add to the list. Knowing Henni I would not 
be surprised if he pulls it off, he always thinks "outside the box". He 
might not get all his targets perfectly but I am sure he will be close!

Fly safe,
Rudi Venter
KR2's ZS-VYZ, ZU-CGR and ZU-AMV

KR> Rotec

[Rudi Venter]

Interesting Steve!

I did not realize the AeroCarb was a close copy of the EFS-2! I am 
running an EFS-2 on my 2.4 VW but I am looking at upgrading it to an 
EFS-3 as I think it might be restricting the airflow a bit at the moment.

I wonder if the AeroCarb would be an option? I suppose I need to look at 
throat diameter. Fitting an EFS-3 would be easier though as the linkages 
would be similar to my current setup as shown here:

http://zu-avb.hopto.org/ZS-VYZ/img_3378_std.jpg

Fly safe,
Rudi

On 1/18/2012 6:04 PM, STEVE bennett wrote:
> Just a small note, the Rotec carb, is not a fuel injection system, nor fuel 
> injector when compared to what a modern day automotive fuel injection system 
> is.  It is a knock off of the Ellison series of carburetors.  Their web site 
> does say " fuel injection", if you read down the page a bit.  When Monnett 
> came out with his AeroCarb, a POSA knock off, is killed the sales of the 
> EFS-2, so Ben Ellison ceased production of that particular carb.  Ellison 
> Fluid Systems still manufacutrers all the other carbs.
>
> Steve Bennett
>

KR> Rotec

[Rudi Venter]

Interesting Steve!

I did not realize the AeroCarb was a close copy of the EFS-2! I am 
running an EFS-2 on my 2.4 VW but I am looking at upgrading it to an 
EFS-3 as I think it might be restricting the airflow a bit at the moment.

I wonder if the AeroCarb would be an option? I suppose I need to look at 
throat diameter. Fitting an EFS-3 would be easier though as the linkages 
would be similar to my current setup as shown here 
http://zu-avb.hopto.org/ZS-VYZ/img_3378_std.jpg

Fly safe,
Rudi

On 1/18/2012 6:04 PM, STEVE bennett wrote:
> Just a small note, the Rotec carb, is not a fuel injection system, nor fuel 
> injector when compared to what a modern day automotive fuel injection system 
> is.  It is a knock off of the Ellison series of carburetors.  Their web site 
> does say " fuel injection", if you read down the page a bit.  When Monnett 
> came out with his AeroCarb, a POSA knock off, is killed the sales of the 
> EFS-2, so Ben Ellison ceased production of that particular carb.  Ellison 
> Fluid Systems still manufacutrers all the other carbs.
>
> http://www.rotecradialengines.com/TBI/TBI.htm
>
> http://ellison-fluid-systems.com/injectors.shtml
>
> Steve Bennett
>

KR> Family

[Rudi Venter]

On 11/24/2011 4:25 PM, Dan Heath wrote:
> To me, Thanksgiving is a day when family comes together to celebrate and
> give thanks.  It is my favourite holiday.  So, I want to wish a Happy
> Thanksgiving to all my KR family all over the world.  Even if you don't have
> a day such as this where you live, know that I am thankful for you and
> appreciate your being part of my family.

Thanks Dan!

We might not have the day here in my country but we still say thanks! 
Being healthy,
free and able to build, fly and enjoy our planes is indeed something to 
be thankful for!!

Happy Thanksgiving to all my friends in the USA and all members of the 
KR family!

Rudi

KR> Family

[Rudi Venter]

On 11/24/2011 4:25 PM, Dan Heath wrote:
> To me, Thanksgiving is a day when family comes together to celebrate and
> give thanks.  It is my favourite holiday.  So, I want to wish a Happy
> Thanksgiving to all my KR family all over the world.  Even if you don't have
> a day such as this where you live, know that I am thankful for you and
> appreciate your being part of my family.

Thanks Dan!

We might not have the day here in my country but we still say thanks! 
Being healthy,
free and able to build, fly and enjoy our planes is indeed something to 
be thankful for!!

Happy Thanksgiving to all my friends in the USA and all members of the 
KR family!

Rudi

KR> Web page updates.

[Rudi Venter]

On 11/21/2011 8:21 AM, Dene Collett wrote:
> Hi Rudi
> Just took a look at your website, wow that engine installation looks good! I
> am currently busy with a revmaster 2100 installation that is turbo charged,
> intercooled and fuel injected. A first for me and a steep learning curve. Is
> there any chance you will be coming down PE way in the near future? I would
> love to see your aircraft up close.
> I am interested in the seats you have in your plane, do you perhaps have any
> pics of them?
>
> Regards
> Dene Collett
> Avlec Projects cc
> Port Elizabeth
> South Africa

Hi Dene!

Thanks!

I am hoping to do a "Round SA" trip first week in January 2012 so yes, I 
will be in PE soon if my plans work out, will let you know as planning 
progresses. The current engine setup in VYZ was developed over a period 
of time with many mods along the way and still a few I want to do but 
mostly small things now.

My seats are molded (FG/Carbon) and are quite deep, that helps a lot if 
you are tall like me, at 6'3" my head is far from the canopy. I am going 
to have the seats recovered soon, I do not have any decent photos of 
them but I will make a point of taking some!

Good luck with your project and keep us informed!
Regards,
Rudi

KR> Web page updates.

[Rudi Venter]

On 11/20/2011 8:31 PM, Eric j Pitts wrote:
> Nice looking airplane. How well does the intercoolier work?
>
>
Hi Eric, thanks!

Yes, it does help, the intercooler cools the mixture quite a bit (you 
can feel the difference between the inlet and outlet with your hand) but 
how much it helps with the actual power output I have not calculated yet.

KR> Web page updates.

[Rudi Venter]

On 11/20/2011 1:11 PM, Dan Heath wrote:
> Rudi,
>
> Is that a turbo VW?  Did you build all those planes?  You have a very
> interesting collection.

Hi Dan!

Yes, the engine started life as a type 4 VW, since then the crank, 
con-rods, pistons, cylinders and heads have been replaced with custom 
parts. I am using an Ellison TB. Yes, it is turbo charged with a Garret 
turbo charger with intercooler. The ceramic coated exhaust manifold is 
also custom as is the inlet manifold.

No, I did not build all the planes, just a few, some were 
rebuilds/rescues I did and some projects that I took over. I love 
anything that flies! Soon there will be 2 more additions to the fleet 
:-) I have 4 projects (including another KR2) in progress at the moment...

Fly safe,
Rudi

KR> Web page updates.

[Rudi Venter]

Hi Everyone!

I have been doing some work on my KR2 (ZS-VYZ), I have just added a few 
updates and more photos on VYZ's web page at 
http://zu-avb.hopto.org/ZS-VYZ/specs.htm

Fly safe,
Rudi

KR> KR2's in South Africa

[Rudi Venter]

Great Bob!

We have a few in the Pretoria/Johannesburg area, when you are here 
please let me know so that we can arrange something!

Regards,
Rudi
r...@rudix.servepics.com

On 11/3/2011 10:09 AM, BOB (ROBERT) wrote:
> I am going to South Africa on holiday  NOV 18 until FEB 15
> Would like to visit some KR's  and projects I am coming from Vancouver Canada
> BOB  bob...@telus.net
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KR> tip tanks

[Rudi Venter]

Sakkie's plane with tip-tanks, ZS-UKU, is currently being restored after 
standing for many years, more information available here: 
http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=100=79408

We still have quite a lot of KR activity here in South Africa with a 
recent revival of many projects, some can be seen here: 
http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=100

Fly safe,
Rudi

On 10/17/2011 8:17 PM, M Blank wrote:
> Fred, sorry my memory is going...Sakkie Halgreen of South Africa, had a 
> KR with tip tanks. A picture is located at 
> (http://n323xl.iwarp.com/blouterwings1.htm). I read years ago on a Carlton 
> Blandford's KR site of this fellow who did lots of mods to the KR design. I 
> think he also had tried a KR with a small seat aft of the pilots/co-pilot 
> station. I believe Sakkie was killed at some point in a crash, I dont 
> remember the date or details. Seems lots of KR activity took place in South 
> Africa in the 90's.
>
> Mike
>

KR> Vne/Flutter

[Rudi Venter]

On 10/14/2011 6:53 PM, Kenneth B. Jones wrote:
> Rudi,
>
> "Vne" is marked as IAS (based on having a calibrated airspeed indicator).
>
> But before you go too fast at high altitude, please read
> http://vansaircraft.com/pdf/hp_limts.pdf .  It's very enlightening.
>
> Ken Jones

Thanks Ken!

The Van's article is interesting. I am well aware of the dangers of 
flutter and flying fast in turbulence and I have to admit that is scares 
me. I will proceed with the utmost caution as I aware that my that my 
plane can exceed 200mph TAS at altitude quite easily. I am looking at a 
record attempt but am well aware of the dangers.

Thanks again!
Fly safe,
Rudi

KR> KR2 VNE ?

[Rudi Venter]

I seem to have a problem posting to the group, let me try again!

Hi everyone!

A quick question about the KR2's VNE. I know it is officially 200mph, is 
that IAS or TAS? I know some planes have exceeded this, what would be a 
safe figure for a KR2 without elevator or rudder counterbalances? I know 
this is not s simple question I am just looking at an approximate figure.

I am really more interested in high altitude (lets say 20K feet) speed 
where the difference between IAS and TAS becomes significant.

Thanks!
Fly safe,
Rudi

KR> KR2 VNE?

[Rudi Venter]

Hi everyone!

A quick question about the KR2's VNE. I know it is officially 200mph, is 
that IAS or TAS? I know some planes have exceeded this, what would be a 
safe figure for a KR2 without elevator or rudder counterbalances? I know 
this is not s simple question I am just looking at an approximate figure.

I am really more interested in high altitude (lets say 20K feet) speed 
where the difference between IAS and TAS becomes significant.

Thanks!
Fly safe,
Rudi

KR> Jabiru on a KR

[Rudi Venter]

Yes, as far as I know Willie is still waiting for paperwork from the 
local CAA, things move slowly in Africa..

I am really keen to see Willie's plane flying, if it works well, and it 
should, I am keen to put a Jabiru 3300 into one of my KR2's

Fly safe,
Rudi

On 9/29/2011 8:09 PM, Dene Collett wrote:
> Hi Peter
> No, unfortunately I can not help you with any drawings. When Willie first
> asked for help mounting the Jab to his airframe I offered to have a mount
> made for him by a friend of mine that builds the mounts for all Whisper
> aircraft. At the time he had a Jab motor that he used for positioning to a
>
> dummy whisper firewall to produce a jig. He built and flew his own KR2
> ZS-WEC that he sold to
> Serge Vidal and has a set of plans which meant that he would have been able
> to do the same for a KR without actually having the aircraft in his shop.
> Willie eventually got someone closer to him to build the mount for him. As
> far as
> I know the plane has not flown yet. Willie??
>
> Regards
> Dene Collett
> Avlec Project cc
> Port Elizabeth
> South Africa
>
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KR> 6 DAYS

[Rudi Venter]

All of you are REALLY making me jealous!

Please take plenty photos and share with us distance disadvantaged KR 
fanatics :-)

Fly safe,
Rudi

On 9/9/2011 3:50 PM, Mark Jones wrote:
> YeeeHAAA
>
> Jones
>
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KR> Let the fun begin!!

[Rudi Venter]

  You all make me so jealous!

Wish I could join, maybe one day :-)

Please fly safe everyone, have fun and take PLENTY photos to share with 
us KR's in the sticks

Looking forward to the reports,
Fly safe,
Rudi
KR2 ZU-WWN
KR2S ZU-AMV

On 9/9/2010 3:19 PM, George Kolasinski wrote:
> Well this will be the first time and look forward to meeting some of you and
> getting a better look and understanding of this craft.  Won't be able to
> leave north Ga until late Friday early Saturday mornign(driving)   What time
> Saturday will all the activities and forms start.  Due to late arrival I may
> be napping in vehicle at sunrise.  (any problems...security wise?)
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Dana Overall  wrote:
>
>> Woo Hoo, it's time for fun flying and friends again.  It looks like the
>> local weather is going to cooperate except for Saturday evening.  We are
>> looking at highs of 77-82 for the entire weekend with lows at night in the
>> mid 50's.  It looks like we can plan on some rain as a cold front comes
>> through Saturday evening.  The remnants of the tropical storm that hit TX
>> looks like it is going to remain north and west of us on Friday night.  All
>> in all, it looks like we just move the party inside on Saturday night.
>>
>> You campers, the FBO is changing hands in one month so some things are not
>> getting done around the airport...one is the car access code controlled auto
>> gate to the grounds so just plan on parking in the parking lot and carrying
>> your stuff, which will not be very far.  This is going to cause the biggest
>> problem for anyone wanting electricity.  We do have access to the FBO and
>> the bathroom.
>>
>> Anyone flying in, not in a KR, plan on using the main ramp tiedowns.  If
>> you fly a KR in, we are going to base our operations around the center large
>> hangar on the south side of the ramp.  They will be re stacking the hangar
>> early this afternoon to make room for the KR.  The ramp on that side is off
>> the main part of the ramp and will allow us to mil around and stay off the
>> main rampkinda give us our own little piece of the ramp.
>>
>> Again, fly safe.  This is a unicom frequency airport so obey the rules of
>> the road and remember, we are out in the woods and do not have airvac
>> helicopters, fire trucks or emergency personnel on site.  I, nor we the KR
>> crowd, will in any way control the arrivals or departures.  We may monitor,
>> we may not but we will not control nor advise arriving or departing traffic
>> on an official basis.  Fly safe, we all know the rules of the road.  The
>> frequencies are 122.8 and AWOS 119.625
>>
>> See all you early arrivals around noon today for the official start of the
>> KR Gathering on Friday
>>
>> Dana Overall
>>
>> Richmond, KY i39
>>
>> RV-7 slider "Black Magic"
>> Flying..well sorta, useta, kinda
>> Barrett Precision O 360 A1A
>> Hartzell C2YR-1BFP/F7497-2
>> http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackmagic.jpg
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4
>> http://rvflying.tripod.com

KR> KR fuselage finish?

[Rudi Venter]

Hi Daniel,

Yes, I see your point. I think as far as "stronger" is concerned I 
should have rather said "better sealed". I am concerned about water and 
oil getting into the wood. I often operate from unpaved runways 
(sometimes just dirt roads), sometimes wet ones and little stones kicked 
up can play havoc with a finish. It might be worthwhile to just glass 
the bottom of the fuselage for protection.

I know you can get a superb finish without glassing! I would also expect 
the glass to be slightly heavier than a well done non-glass finish.

Thanks, I will make sure I use Feather Fill or if I can find it a local 
equivalent.

I need to decide soon as it is pretty much my next step, the rest of the 
plane is just about finished other than the seats, engine and instrument 
installation as well as painting.

Regards,
Rudi


On 8/3/2010 1:03 AM, Dan Heath wrote:
> If "Stronger" is a consideration, and it may be stonger, but the KR is
> already much stronger than it needs to be, so it really does not 
> contribute
> to the reliability of the plane in that respect.  You will still have to
> fill and sand, so that is why I could never figure out how adding another
> process to the effort would be of any benefit.  I have had people tell me
> that they would never have known that my fuselage was wood if I did 
> not tell
> them.  The most difficult problem that I had with the fuselage was 
> filling
> the pin holes, created from the staples that were used during the 
> assembly
> process.  Other than that, I did not think that it was as time 
> consuming as
> doing the glass.  However, the jury is out on which way is lighter.  I 
> think
> the glass will make it heavier, but who knows.
>
> Whichever way you decide to go, get a two part "Spray on" primer like
> Feather Fill and it will make the process much easier, and stay away from
> that roll on stuff, smooth prime.
>
> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
> See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for 
> Flying
> has begun.
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On 
> Behalf
> Of Rudi Venter
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:29 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR>  KR fuselage finish?
>
> Thanks Daniel!
>
> I am torn between the glassed option that should be slightly stronger
> and more durable and the non glassed option that should be lighter...
>
> Thanks for the reply :-)
>
> Fly safe,
> Rudi
> PS, wish I could make it to the KR gathering..
>
> On 8/2/2010 11:38 AM, Dan Heath wrote:
>
>> Some do, some don't.  I don't.  I think it is a waste of time and 
>> energy.
>> It also gives you something else to "de-laminate" or to otherwise cause
>>
> you
>
>> a problem.  My opinion, I have lots of them, and your results will vary.
>>
>> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
>> See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39
>> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for 
>> Flying
>> has begun.
>> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> Do most builders glass the outside of the fuselage (wood bits) these
>> days?
>>
>>
>> ___ 

KR> KR fuselage finish?

[Rudi Venter]

Hi Larry, thanks for the info!

Yes, I agree if done correctly there won't be any danger of 
de-lamination. My main reason for considering it is exactly the point 
you are making, protecting the wood from oil and moisture. It was 
actually the ingress of moisture over along period, while in storage, 
that killed my first KR2.

Thanks for the "deck cloth" link, it should result in a much smoother 
finish with less sanding and filling!

Fly safe,
Rudi

On 8/2/2010 2:45 PM, Larry Flesner wrote:
> At 02:09 AM 8/2/2010, you wrote:
>
>> Do most builders glass the outside of the fuselage (wood bits) these
>> days?
>>  
> +++
>
> You will get as many different opinions on this as there are KR
> builders.  Personally, I'd recommend covering the wood, and the
> entire KR for that matter, with "deck cloth" as a finish
> cover.
> http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=449~subid=8487/index.html
>
> It is light weight and will reduce the amount of fill required for a
> smooth finish.  At a minimum I would suggest covering the bottom
> forward section of the fuselage to protect the wood from
> contamination like oil, etc., from the engine compartment.  Without
> the glass, any crack in the finish will allow moisture and other
> contaminates to penetrate the wood.  If properly applied you should
> not have to worry about de-lamination.  I don't have a single spot of
> de-lamination on my entire airframe and it's been flying for 7 years
> and 370+ hours.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
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KR> KR fuselage finish?

[Rudi Venter]

Thanks Daniel!

I am torn between the glassed option that should be slightly stronger 
and more durable and the non glassed option that should be lighter...

Thanks for the reply :-)

Fly safe,
Rudi
PS, wish I could make it to the KR gathering..

On 8/2/2010 11:38 AM, Dan Heath wrote:
> Some do, some don't.  I don't.  I think it is a waste of time and energy.
> It also gives you something else to "de-laminate" or to otherwise cause you
> a problem.  My opinion, I have lots of them, and your results will vary.
>
> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
> See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
> has begun.
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> Do most builders glass the outside of the fuselage (wood bits) these
> days?
>
>
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KR> KR fuselage finish?

[Rudi Venter]

Hi KR'ers!

I am a second time around KR2 builder, 15 years after the first one I am 
at it again!

I have a question about the finishing of the woodwork on the fuselage. 
Do most builders glass the outside of the fuselage (wood bits) these 
days? I seem to remember just sealing and painting the last time. I have 
looked at plenty builders sites but no-one seems to discuss that bit!

Any info would be appreciated!

Thanks!
Fly safe,
Rudi