KR> discouraging

[Rick and Pam]

Heres my story to date. I bought a KR2  last month from grand rapids Mi 
(Im in Defiance Ohio). basicly it needed a seat and all the small things 
that these planes need. so Ive been working on it for a month now and I 
figured I would take it to the local airport and rent a small hanger so 
I could mount the wings and do some taxi testing, well as luck would 
have it 2 hangars down is THE local eaa guy,(white beard,eaa tech rep, 
ap mech, 2 taildraggers sitting in his hangar) basicly the whole 
package, so Im thinking man what a great resource 2 hangars down from 
me. I go down and introduce myself and tell him my story and he proceeds 
to tell me in short that unless I have 5 to 10 thousand hours of 
taildragger time that I shouldn't attempt to fly the kr2. He then went 
on and on about why I should buy a cessna 150 cause as a certified 
aircraft. I would be able to just "fly it" (that would be the only thing 
I could do to it) To top it all off he then lets me know that the last 
thing we need is someone crashing on the runway.wouldn't do our 
Image any good he says, Now Im no idiot and I know that Im not Tom 
Cruise in top gun, as a matter of fact Im not even a pilot as of yet 
{although Im working on it}  I know when Im talking to someone with a 
lot more experiance than me to listen but I got to believe that this guy 
really doesn't like home built aircraft ,which is what I thought the eaa 
was all about.He practicly had me talked intoselling it before I left.On 
the way home I realized that this was the type of guy that made me look 
at experimentals to start with...I understand I need some taildragger 
time , I understand it will require maintenance, I understand that 
things go wrong, I accept these as challenges to be overcome. WHAT I 
   DONT EXCEPT IS PEOPLE TELLING ME I CANT DO IT. anyways I just had to  vent

KR> discouraging

[Brad Ankerstar]

If you have an opportunity to visit the Cincinnati area, visit with the 
Chapter 974 folks.  We have 6 guys involved with KR 2s and a super EAA 
Designee.  He has a dragonfly and a longeze.  We'll treat you better.

Brad Ankerstar
ankerst...@earthlink.net

KR> discouraging

[Dan Heath]

Those people don't know much.  I got the same thing when I was doing my
first KR, but this time around, I have gotten nothing but encouragement,
even when I was ready to quit.  Remember this one thing, the KR, is an easy
TD to fly, but it is a TD which does take some work, and those people don't
have any idea what they are talking about. 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
he proceeds to tell me in short that unless I have 5 to 10 thousand hours of 
taildragger time that I shouldn't attempt to fly the kr2. 

KR> discouraging

[Robert Evans]

Well netters, a mystery from 1974 has been solved. I was wondering what ever
happened to the crotchety old instructor that I took my first ever flight
lesson with, ended up. On our first and second (last)flight with him, he
kept telling me he couldn't understand why youngsters wanted to learn how to
fly, and should just leave it to the "experienced" men, all the while
pulling stall after stall through both training sessions. By any chance is
this "AirGuru" with a bazillion hours 2 hangers down from you named Blehm?

Bob
N339RJ
Heaven Bound

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Rick and Pam
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 5:32 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> discouraging

Heres my story to date. I bought a KR2  last month from grand rapids Mi 
(Im in Defiance Ohio). basicly it needed a seat and all the small things

that these planes need. so Ive been working on it for a month now and I 
figured I would take it to the local airport and rent a small hanger so 
I could mount the wings and do some taxi testing, well as luck would 
have it 2 hangars down is THE local eaa guy,(white beard,eaa tech rep, 
ap mech, 2 taildraggers sitting in his hangar) basicly the whole 
package, so Im thinking man what a great resource 2 hangars down from 
me. I go down and introduce myself and tell him my story and he proceeds

to tell me in short that unless I have 5 to 10 thousand hours of 
taildragger time that I shouldn't attempt to fly the kr2. He then went 
on and on about why I should buy a cessna 150 cause as a certified 
aircraft. I would be able to just "fly it" (that would be the only thing

I could do to it) To top it all off he then lets me know that the last 
thing we need is someone crashing on the runway.wouldn't do our 
Image any good he says, Now Im no idiot and I know that Im not Tom 
Cruise in top gun, as a matter of fact Im not even a pilot as of yet 
{although Im working on it}  I know when Im talking to someone with a 
lot more experiance than me to listen but I got to believe that this guy

really doesn't like home built aircraft ,which is what I thought the eaa

was all about.He practicly had me talked intoselling it before I left.On

the way home I realized that this was the type of guy that made me look 
at experimentals to start with...I understand I need some taildragger 
time , I understand it will require maintenance, I understand that 
things go wrong, I accept these as challenges to be overcome. WHAT I 
   DONT EXCEPT IS PEOPLE TELLING ME I CANT DO IT. anyways I just had to
vent

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[Don Chisholm]

What you ran across was a dynosaur, I had one tell me one time that they had a 
homebuilt at their airport one time fortunately it crashed and then proceeded 
to lecture me as you got lectured, meanwhile he had a ratty old Cessna 172 that 
looked like it hadn't been flown in years. He reached his height, don't take 
what he said to heart and don't let him bring you down. When Ken Rand did his 
first flight on his KR1 he only had 35 hrs. total time

Rick and Pam  wrote:  Heres my story to date. I bought a KR2 
last month from grand rapids Mi 
(Im in Defiance Ohio). basicly it needed a seat and all the small things 
that these planes need. so Ive been working on it for a month now and I 
figured I would take it to the local airport and rent a small hanger so 
I could mount the wings and do some taxi testing, well as luck would 
have it 2 hangars down is THE local eaa guy,(white beard,eaa tech rep, 
ap mech, 2 taildraggers sitting in his hangar) basicly the whole 
package, so Im thinking man what a great resource 2 hangars down from 
me. I go down and introduce myself and tell him my story and he proceeds 
to tell me in short that unless I have 5 to 10 thousand hours of 
taildragger time that I shouldn't attempt to fly the kr2. He then went 
on and on about why I should buy a cessna 150 cause as a certified 
aircraft. I would be able to just "fly it" (that would be the only thing 
I could do to it) To top it all off he then lets me know that the last 
thing we need is someone crashing on the runway.wouldn't do our 
Image any good he says, Now Im no idiot and I know that Im not Tom 
Cruise in top gun, as a matter of fact Im not even a pilot as of yet 
{although Im working on it} I know when Im talking to someone with a 
lot more experiance than me to listen but I got to believe that this guy 
really doesn't like home built aircraft ,which is what I thought the eaa 
was all about.He practicly had me talked intoselling it before I left.On 
the way home I realized that this was the type of guy that made me look 
at experimentals to start with...I understand I need some taildragger 
time , I understand it will require maintenance, I understand that 
things go wrong, I accept these as challenges to be overcome. WHAT I 
DONT EXCEPT IS PEOPLE TELLING ME I CANT DO IT. anyways I just had to vent

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[Marc Lee Winnig]

Where are you at???  Maybe I need to bring my 45 hrs., my KR-2 (not-quite-done) 
craft, and a couple of my UL's/UL Projects (after I collect them all) to add 
some fuel to the fire!Sounds like you just stumbled into the wrong hangar!  And 
to think, it looked so promising!  Sorry it went that way. I am with you, feel 
your pain, and I too think you got some real bad advice.I don't want to beat 
this to death by any means, but I am taking my time, learning to do this right, 
investing the time and money required, reading a TON (including NTSB reports, 
"I Learned About Flying From That" (collection of near-fatal mistakes Vol. 3 
and the original stories monthly that feed the collectons), "The Killing Zone" 
about pilots from 100-350hrs. who seem to have a disproportionate share of 
fatal incidents, and am in NO HURRY to solo or to get my instructor out of the 
plane!  I have discussed buying specific TD's with him, am already flying a TD 
UL (OK, twice so far), and have his "blessing" for these types of planes.  He 
is confident we can fly her (he can fly it / I can fly it / he can teach me to 
fly it).  He does want me to get with the more experienced TD instructor too, 
but the TD CFI's Cub is currently undergoing a major overhaul, and students 
don't fly his other plane!.  It is just one more reason why I want my own 
plane.Learn everything you can wherever you can.  Don't close your mind to 
anything.  But take things with the proverbial grain of sand.  Not every answer 
fits!   Marc Lee Winnig   

mlwin...@hotmail.com   

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(801) 749-9460  FAX> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 22:45:37 -0500> From: 
chizmsupholst...@rogers.com> Subject: Re: KR> discouraging> To: 
kr...@mylist.net> > What you ran across was a dynosaur, I had one tell me one 
time that they had a homebuilt at their airport one time fortunately it crashed 
and then proceeded to lecture me as you got lectured, meanwhile he had a ratty 
old Cessna 172 that looked like it hadn't been flown in years. He reached his 
height, don't take what he said to heart and don't let him bring you down. When 
Ken Rand did his first flight on his KR1 he only had 35 hrs. total time> > Rick 
and Pam <d...@defnet.com> wrote:  Heres my story to date. I bought a KR2 last 
month from grand rapids Mi > (Im in Defiance Ohio). basicly it needed a seat 
and all the small things > that these planes need. so Ive been working on it 
for a month now and I > figured I would take it to the local airport and rent a 
small hanger so > I could mount the wings and do some taxi testing, well as 
luck would > have it 2 hangars down is THE local eaa guy,(white beard,eaa tech 
rep, > ap mech, 2 taildraggers sitting in his hangar) basicly the whole > 
package, so Im thinking man what a great resource 2 hangars down from > me. I 
go down and introduce myself and tell him my story and he proceeds > to tell me 
in short that unless I have 5 to 10 thousand hours of > taildragger time that I 
shouldn't attempt to fly the kr2. He then went > on and on about why I should 
buy a cessna 150 cause as a certified > aircraft. I would be able to just "fly 
it" (that would be the only thing > I could do to it) To top it all off he then 
lets me know that the last > thing we need is someone crashing on the 
runway.wouldn't do our > Image any good he says, Now Im no idiot and I know 
that Im not Tom > Cruise in top gun, as a matter of fact Im not even a pilot as 
of yet > {although Im working on it} I know when Im talking to someone with a > 
lot more experiance than me to listen but I got to believe that this guy > 
really doesn't like home built aircraft ,which is what I thought the eaa > was 
all about.He practicly had me talked intoselling it before I left.On > the way 
home I realized that this was the type of guy that made me look > at 
experimentals to start with...I understand I need some taildragger > time , I 
understand it will require maintenance, I understand that > things go wrong, I 
accept these as challenges to be overcome. WHAT I > DONT EXCEPT IS PEOPLE 
TELLING ME I CANT DO IT. anyways I just had to vent> > 
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KR> discouraging

[Rick / Pam]

 well I have to say thanks for all the encouragement.. if anyone is in my 
neighborhood I would appreciate it if maybe I could catch a ride in a kr 
sometime  so I know what to expect.if you happen to be flying by  give me a 
call on my cell @419439 2269 and I could meet you at the airport if Im not 
already there,I can travel to you if your not to far away.. beginnig next 
month I should be able to crosscountry solo so maybe I could fly to 
you.Thanks again for the encouragement, I eill get it in the air 

KR> discouraging

[Brad Payne]

It amazes me that an EAA Tech Rep treated you this way.  An EAA guy telling
you to buy a certified aircraft!   He clearly has some issues of his own he
needs to work out instead of taking it out on other builders!  Don't let him
get to you.

If you are worried about Tail dragger time, there is a FBO in either
Waynesville, OH or Lebanon, OH that will train you in a restored Piper J-3!
I am anxious to do this next summer if my budget allows.  Don't worry about
not being a pilot yet.  They start out new pilots in the cub!  If you want
more info on it, feel free to e-mail me directly and I will dig it up.

Sounds like maybe you should look for a different EAA chapter. One that has
a tech counselor with a positive and encouraging attitude!



Brad Payne
KR2S - N494BP (under construction)
bradleyspa...@gmail.com

KR> Discouraging

[mitch hargin]

Rick,
  I to got the same crap the my local FBO.  I went and got a few hours tail 
dragging time in a cub and many hours of taxiing in the KR.  I've had many good 
landing in my KR even with the discouraging words.  You can do it but be safe.
  Mitch Hargin
  KR2 Driver.


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KR> discouraging

[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

Send this to EAA National, Virg

On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:32:10 -0600 "Rick and Pam" 
writes:
> Heres my story to date. I bought a KR2  last month from grand 
> rapids Mi 
> (Im in Defiance Ohio). basicly it needed a seat and all the 
> small things 
> that these planes need. so Ive been working on it for a month 
> now and I 
> figured I would take it to the local airport and rent a small 
> hanger so 
> I could mount the wings and do some taxi testing, well as luck 
> would 
> have it 2 hangars down is THE local eaa guy,(white beard,eaa 
> tech rep, 
> ap mech, 2 taildraggers sitting in his hangar) basicly the whole 
> 
> package, so Im thinking man what a great resource 2 hangars down 
> from 
> me. I go down and introduce myself and tell him my story and he 
> proceeds 
> to tell me in short that unless I have 5 to 10 thousand hours of 
> 
> taildragger time that I shouldn't attempt to fly the kr2. He 
> then went 
> on and on about why I should buy a cessna 150 cause as a 
> certified 
> aircraft. I would be able to just "fly it" (that would be the 
> only thing 
> I could do to it) To top it all off he then lets me know that 
> the last 
> thing we need is someone crashing on the runway.wouldn't do 
> our 
> Image any good he says, Now Im no idiot and I know that Im not 
> Tom 
> Cruise in top gun, as a matter of fact Im not even a pilot as of 
> yet 
> {although Im working on it}  I know when Im talking to someone 
> with a 
> lot more experiance than me to listen but I got to believe that 
> this guy 
> really doesn't like home built aircraft ,which is what I thought 
> the eaa 
> was all about.He practicly had me talked intoselling it before I 
> left.On 
> the way home I realized that this was the type of guy that made 
> me look 
> at experimentals to start with...I understand I need some 
> taildragger 
> time , I understand it will require maintenance, I understand 
> that 
> things go wrong, I accept these as challenges to be overcome. 
> WHAT I 
>DONT EXCEPT IS PEOPLE TELLING ME I CANT DO IT. anyways I just had 
> to  vent
>  
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KR> discouraging

[Jim]

It's been my experience that people that don't learn how to fly a 
taildragger think that everyone else has the same problem.
   Get yourself a competent tailwheel instructor to teach you how to fly a 
taildragger any tailwheel airplane will do just get some time in one.
   Then if you have someone around to give you a checkout in your K.R. go 
for it .
No matter what type of taildragger I've ever flown I've always heard oh 
that airplane a ground looping S.O.B. to which I've found out is B.S.
Ground loop? oh yea I've Done it however it was my fault.
I don't clam to be an expert that's just been my experience in 20700 +
there's always the nea sayers don't let them discourage you

- Original Message - 
From: "VIRGIL N SALISBURY" <virg...@juno.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: KR> discouraging


>Send this to EAA National, Virg
>
> On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 16:32:10 -0600 "Rick and Pam" <d...@defnet.com>
> writes:
>> Heres my story to date. I bought a KR2  last month from grand
>> rapids Mi
>> (Im in Defiance Ohio). basicly it needed a seat and all the
>> small things
>> that these planes need. so Ive been working on it for a month
>> now and I
>> figured I would take it to the local airport and rent a small
>> hanger so
>> I could mount the wings and do some taxi testing, well as luck
>> would
>> have it 2 hangars down is THE local eaa guy,(white beard,eaa
>> tech rep,
>> ap mech, 2 taildraggers sitting in his hangar) basicly the whole
>>
>> package, so Im thinking man what a great resource 2 hangars down
>> from
>> me. I go down and introduce myself and tell him my story and he
>> proceeds
>> to tell me in short that unless I have 5 to 10 thousand hours of
>>
>> taildragger time that I shouldn't attempt to fly the kr2. He
>> then went
>> on and on about why I should buy a cessna 150 cause as a
>> certified
>> aircraft. I would be able to just "fly it" (that would be the
>> only thing
>> I could do to it) To top it all off he then lets me know that
>> the last
>> thing we need is someone crashing on the runway.wouldn't do
>> our
>> Image any good he says, Now Im no idiot and I know that Im not
>> Tom
>> Cruise in top gun, as a matter of fact Im not even a pilot as of
>> yet
>> {although Im working on it}  I know when Im talking to someone
>> with a
>> lot more experiance than me to listen but I got to believe that
>> this guy
>> really doesn't like home built aircraft ,which is what I thought
>> the eaa
>> was all about.He practicly had me talked intoselling it before I
>> left.On
>> the way home I realized that this was the type of guy that made
>> me look
>> at experimentals to start with...I understand I need some
>> taildragger
>> time , I understand it will require maintenance, I understand
>> that
>> things go wrong, I accept these as challenges to be overcome.
>> WHAT I
>>DONT EXCEPT IS PEOPLE TELLING ME I CANT DO IT. anyways I just had
>> to  vent
>>
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KR> discouraging

[Kenhenderson]

I was happy to see the question asked concerning the amount of tail dragger 
time needed to fly the KR-2 safely. I am currently building my KR-2 and 
learning to fly also. I am close to my checkride and upon passing and receiving 
my license I intend to start building TD time with the head instructor at the 
HAFB Aero Club in his personal plane. A good friend of mine (the guy that sold 
me one of my KR-2 kits) recently had the opportunity to fly a KR-2 and told me 
that in his opinion I should get several hundred hours flying time in 
conventional geared airplanes before attempting to fly my KR-2. Now my friend 
started flying in his teens and has been at it for over 40 years so I value his 
opinion and I know he is not trying to "scare me off" my course. This is my 
request- Would those of you out there who are flying or have flown the KR-2 
series of aircraft tell those of us who are aspiring to be KR-2 pilots how much 
TD time you had logged before your first KR-2 flight? Realizing that all pilots 
are not created equal, it would still be useful to know how experienced you all 
were when you started. Thanks, Ken

KR> discouraging

[Francesco Montevecchi]

A 20 h of tail dragger flight (both with instructor and solo) on a conventional 
tail dragger (not the KR2) are a good idea. I did it on a P 19 Scricciolo while 
building my KR2 I-BUZZ and I had no problem when I flew I-BUZZ from the first 
time on. The only rule to remember all time is "don't stop being concentrated 
until the plane runs".

Ciao

Francesco

- Original Message 
From: Kenhenderson <kenhender...@zianet.com>
To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 9:09:23 PM
Subject: RE: KR> discouraging


I was happy to see the question asked concerning the amount of tail dragger 
time needed to fly the KR-2 safely. I am currently building my KR-2 and 
learning to fly also. I am close to my checkride and upon passing and receiving 
my license I intend to start building TD time with the head instructor at the 
HAFB Aero Club in his personal plane. A good friend of mine (the guy that sold 
me one of my KR-2 kits) recently had the opportunity to fly a KR-2 and told me 
that in his opinion I should get several hundred hours flying time in 
conventional geared airplanes before attempting to fly my KR-2. Now my friend 
started flying in his teens and has been at it for over 40 years so I value his 
opinion and I know he is not trying to "scare me off" my course. This is my 
request- Would those of you out there who are flying or have flown the KR-2 
series of aircraft tell those of us who are aspiring to be KR-2 pilots how much 
TD time you had logged before your first KR-2 flight? Realizing
 that all pilots are not created equal, it would still be useful to know how 
experienced you all were when you started. Thanks, Ken
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KR> discouraging

[Dan Heath]

Low time C-150 pilot, 155 hours.  That was in 1987 and I had zero hours TD. 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

how much TD time you had logged before your first KR-2 flight? 

KR> discouraging

[Brian Kraut]

I had about 150 hours total time and 3 hours tailwheel time when I first
flew my KR.  I had about 45 minutes stick time in two different KRs, but no
takeoff or landing practice before my first flight.

The KR is a pretty well behaved plane on the ground so if you get your
tailwheel signoff in about any other tailwheel plane you should be fine.  I
do recommend getting an hour or two in something with more control
sensitivity than your average spam can if you can.  Something like an RV is
good.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of Kenhenderson
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:09 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> discouraging


I was happy to see the question asked concerning the amount of tail dragger
time needed to fly the KR-2 safely. I am currently building my KR-2 and
learning to fly also. I am close to my checkride and upon passing and
receiving my license I intend to start building TD time with the head
instructor at the HAFB Aero Club in his personal plane. A good friend of
mine (the guy that sold me one of my KR-2 kits) recently had the opportunity
to fly a KR-2 and told me that in his opinion I should get several hundred
hours flying time in conventional geared airplanes before attempting to fly
my KR-2. Now my friend started flying in his teens and has been at it for
over 40 years so I value his opinion and I know he is not trying to "scare
me off" my course. This is my request- Would those of you out there who are
flying or have flown the KR-2 series of aircraft tell those of us who are
aspiring to be KR-2 pilots how much TD time you had logged before your first
KR-2 flight? Realizing that all pilots are not created equal, it would still
be useful to know how experienced you all were when you started. Thanks, Ken
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KR> discouraging

[Larry Flesner]

At 02:09 PM 12/10/2006, you wrote:
>This is my request- Would those of you out there who are flying or 
>have flown the KR-2 series of aircraft tell those of us who are 
>aspiring to be KR-2 pilots how much TD time you had logged before 
>your first KR-2 flight? Realizing that all
>  pilots are not created equal, it would still be useful to know how 
> experienced you all were when you started. Thanks, Ken
+++

I had approx 900 hours TT when I completed my KR.  I had about 13 hours
TT in tailwheel aircraft over a thirty year period when I started to taxi my
KR.  I shut down after todays flight with 266.1 hours on the hobbs.  The
KR must be similar to doing drugs.  I can't seem to wait to get my
next "fix" !

I think the most important thing is to have enough "recent" time to be
comfortable flying in any type of aircraft.  If you get some tailwheel time
with an instructor you can "self teach" yourself to fly the KR.  Start slow
and slowly work up to getting the tail up , slow down , and bring the
tailwheel down for the roll out.  At that point you should be ready to
fly.  You're right, all pilots are not created equal.  I probably spent about
3 or 4 hours doing taxi test before I flew.  One critical point.  Never start
to taxi or get on to a runway unless you and the airplane are completely
ready to fly.  Enough fuel, seat belts on, etc., etc.  You may find yourself
suddenly in the air when you get to the fast taxi part. If that happens the
safest thing MIGHT be to just continue the flight.

The most important thing in learning to fly tailwheel is that you can't be
along for the ride.  You have to fly the airplane, and fly it 
correctly, anytime
you are moving on the ground, especially at any speed above about
10 or 15 mph.  Rudder input is the most critical but after a few hours
you should learn what it takes to keep it moving straight with the nose
pointed in the direction of travel.  My KR does not fly like a Cub or a
Champ.  They require greater control inputs and do not respond as
quickly as my KR to control inputs.  My KR responds almost instantly
to any rudder inputs and the amount of peddle movement is small.
Try to get a ride in something that has light and quick control response
before you fly so the KR flight characteristics don't surprise you.

I'd bet a stake supper that the instructor guru, EAA tech councilor, giving
all the negative advise has never ridden in or flown a KR.  There are
hundreds of KR's flying and we are not all Super Pilots.

Keep building and keep flying.  There is a YEE H
adventure in your future.

Larry Flesner

Réf. : RE: KR> discouraging

[Serge VIDAL]

I had exactly 170 hours when I bought my taildragger KR2, mostly on 
Diamond Katana and Piper Cherokee. This was in South Africa, and local 
rules required a taildragger endorsement and a type conversion. I found a 
suitable instructor (himself rated on the type), but he wanted me to get 
my taildragger rating on a more forgiving aircraft before starting the 
conversion. I got 5 hours of Bellanca Superdecathlon time, then we started 
the KR2 training. I must say I am a very average pilot, and I battled for 
quite a while to get it right. After 7 hours of training with little 
improvement, I started doing some solo high speed taxi training. This 
taught me how to touch down properly. Then, I did some more flight 
instruction, concentrating on holding the approach speed accurately. That 
did the trick. In total, it took me 15 hours of flight instruction to feel 
safe and comfortable in the KR2. But I am probably an extreme case, and 
the difficult conditions in Johannesburg (hot, high and sometimes windy) 
probably did not help. This being said, had I soloed earlier, I would 
probably have survived the experience, but with a higher pucker factor. 

Then, one day, a good 50 flight hours later, I noticed that I could keep 
the altitude and heading accurately without thinking, and the balance ball 
was now self-centering. The KR2 had just made me a better pilot. I could 
"feel" the aircraft in a way that I had never experienced in any Cessna, 
Piper, or even the Diamond Katana.

A C150, he said? Look, if I was offered a Cessna 150 tomorrow, I would 
quickly sell it, and buy another high performance homebuilt with the 
money.

Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Canberra, Australia 


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KR> discouraging

[Al Hawkins]

Hi Ken

I was a low time pilot 100 Hours total over 24 years, 12 hours were in a
Citabria.
I ground looped mine a few times before getting the hang of it, mostly =
due
to my main gear not in the correct alignment.
I also had a off runway excursion when I tried to 3 point the plane, a
crosswind gust got me.
The best advice I received was to fly the plane in stocking feet until I =
got
the feel of the rudder pedals, I never had a problem with the plane =
being
pitch sensitive.
I now tail wheel the airplane every time and have had no problems =
landing it
now, 75 hours in the KR.

Al Hawkins
KR2 C-GDPU
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
Canada
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Sent: December 10, 2006 12:09 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> discouraging


I was happy to see the question asked concerning the amount of tail =
dragger
time needed to fly the KR-2 safely. I am currently building my KR-2 and
learning to fly also. I am close to my checkride and upon passing and
receiving my license I intend to start building TD time with the head
instructor at the HAFB Aero Club in his personal plane. A good friend of
mine (the guy that sold me one of my KR-2 kits) recently had the =
opportunity
to fly a KR-2 and told me that in his opinion I should get several =
hundred
hours flying time in conventional geared airplanes before attempting to =
fly
my KR-2. Now my friend started flying in his teens and has been at it =
for
over 40 years so I value his opinion and I know he is not trying to =
"scare
me off" my course. This is my request- Would those of you out there who =
are
flying or have flown the KR-2 series of aircraft tell those of us who =
are
aspiring to be KR-2 pilots how much TD time you had logged before your =
first
KR-2 flight? Realizing that all pilots are not created equal, it would =
still
be useful to know how experienced you all were when you started. Thanks, =
Ken
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KR> discouraging

[Rich Seifert]

Rick
Don is correct, and I can tell by you attitude you will make a good KR
pilot. I only had about 45 hours total time when I began flying mine, and I
don't consider myself to be above average in the skill department.  The best
advice I can offer is to find and get to know a few flying KR pilots in your
area. There are more around than you would think.  Carefully look over their
aircraft and ask them to critique yours.  They will be a far better resource
than your dynosaur.
Rich Seifert N56SR KR-2 pilot for 20 years now.
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From: "Don Chisholm" <chizmsupholst...@rogers.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: KR> discouraging


> What you ran across was a dynosaur, I had one tell me one time that they
had a homebuilt at their airport one time fortunately it crashed and then
proceeded to lecture me as you got lectured, meanwhile he had a ratty old
Cessna 172 that looked like it hadn't been flown in years. He reached his
height, don't take what he said to heart and don't let him bring you down.
When Ken Rand did his first flight on his KR1 he only had 35 hrs. total time
>
> Rick and Pam <d...@defnet.com> wrote:  Heres my story to date. I bought a
KR2 last month from grand rapids Mi
> (Im in Defiance Ohio). basicly it needed a seat and all the small things
> that these planes need. so Ive been working on it for a month now and I
> figured I would take it to the local airport and rent a small hanger so
> I could mount the wings and do some taxi testing, well as luck would
> have it 2 hangars down is THE local eaa guy,(white beard,eaa tech rep,
> ap mech, 2 taildraggers sitting in his hangar) basicly the whole
> package, so Im thinking man what a great resource 2 hangars down from
> me. I go down and introduce myself and tell him my story and he proceeds
> to tell me in short that unless I have 5 to 10 thousand hours of
> taildragger time that I shouldn't attempt to fly the kr2. He then went
> on and on about why I should buy a cessna 150 cause as a certified
> aircraft. I would be able to just "fly it" (that would be the only thing
> I could do to it) To top it all off he then lets me know that the last
> thing we need is someone crashing on the runway.wouldn't do our
> Image any good he says, Now Im no idiot and I know that Im not Tom
> Cruise in top gun, as a matter of fact Im not even a pilot as of yet
> {although Im working on it} I know when Im talking to someone with a
> lot more experiance than me to listen but I got to believe that this guy
> really doesn't like home built aircraft ,which is what I thought the eaa
> was all about.He practicly had me talked intoselling it before I left.On
> the way home I realized that this was the type of guy that made me look
> at experimentals to start with...I understand I need some taildragger
> time , I understand it will require maintenance, I understand that
> things go wrong, I accept these as challenges to be overcome. WHAT I
> DONT EXCEPT IS PEOPLE TELLING ME I CANT DO IT. anyways I just had to vent
>
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KR> discouraging

[Rick and Pam]

 wow what a response I think this beat out the over the top post, anyway 
everybody thanks for all the posts, I really appr. the support. Ken Jones is 
hopeing to fly out sunday to give me an "educated" assesment. Im looking 
forward to compareing my kr to an actual flying one. 

KR> discouraging

[Joe H Horton]

On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:04:27 -0600 "Rick and Pam" 
writes:
>  wow what a response I think this beat out the over the top post, 
> anyway 
> everybody thanks for all the posts, I really appr. the support. Ken 
> Jones is 
> hopeing to fly out sunday to give me an "educated" assesment. Im 
> looking 
> forward to compareing my kr to an actual flying one. 
> 
>
Ask Ken to wear his custom hat if you introduce him to the Tech
guy. That should push him over the edge. 

Joe Horton, Coopersburg, Pa.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

KR> discouraging

[randsbrierley]

 don't get too worked up just remember your feet are connected to your legs 
so use them
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KR> discouraging

[randsbrierley]

the best thing you can do is to have a fly in krs rvs any homebuilt
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RE: Réf. : RE: KR> discouraging

[Marc Lee Winnig]

ANOTHER BIG GRIN!Thanks!!!   Marc Lee Winnig   

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