KR> Fit two people
>From: "Stephen Jacobs" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "'KRnet'" >Subject: RE: KR> Fit two people >Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:59:52 +0200 > >The KR2 and KR2s are the same in this dept - 34" wide. > >This should not be an issue as most every KR built deviates in terms of >cockpit width. Widening the cabin by as little as 4" makes a big >difference. > >SteveJ > > >+++ > >What is your name - Ronald or Steve? > > > Sorry bout that, I am not really sure how that happened, it was not intentional. Maybe I replied to something you posted and never cleaned up properly Also not sure why it was sent twice - sorry Ron Ron M if you wish !! _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
KR> Fit two people
Oops - I thhought this was to Stephen diredt - sorry again. Ron M >From: "Ronald Metcalf" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: kr...@mylist.net >Subject: RE: KR> Fit two people >Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 03:08:17 -0600 > > >>From: "Stephen Jacobs" >>Reply-To: KRnet >>To: "'KRnet'" >>Subject: RE: KR> Fit two people >>Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:59:52 +0200 >> >>The KR2 and KR2s are the same in this dept - 34" wide. >> >>This should not be an issue as most every KR built deviates in terms of >>cockpit width. Widening the cabin by as little as 4" makes a big >>difference. >> >>SteveJ >> >> >>+++ >> >>What is your name - Ronald or Steve? >> >> >> > >Sorry bout that, I am not really sure how that happened, it was not >intentional. Maybe I replied to something you posted and never cleaned up >properly > >Also not sure why it was sent twice - sorry > >Ron > >Ron M if you wish !! > >_ >Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > >___ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
KR> Fit two people
Pends. on the two people. Jerry and I are about average build and it is cozy. I flew in Jim Faughn's with him and it was cozy. You can always make it wider. Like Larry F. says, build it for YOU and your results will vary. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
KR> Fit two people
Dan Thanks for that, I would like to know the dimension as per standard plan (which I have not invested in as yet) to compare with the 150 I am training in. Thanks again Brian -Original Message- From: krnet-bounces+cad=southernphone.com...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+cad=southernphone.com...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Wednesday, 16 March 2005 2:08 PM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Fit two people Pends. on the two people. Jerry and I are about average build and it is cozy. I flew in Jim Faughn's with him and it was cozy. You can always make it wider. Like Larry F. says, build it for YOU and your results will vary. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Fit two people
Brian, I figured that someone would have jumped in there and answered your question, ...I had the same one once. If I recall, go ahead someone jump in here, the KR2 that I measured was around 34". I measured a 150 with the bowed doors and at the widest point measured at the window sills, I think it was 41". Any body ??? Kevin
KR> Fit two people
Kevin / Brian You will find that most established KR builders become highly suspicious of anyone asking questiuons that suggest that they have not purchased plans yet. The KR2 and KR2s are the same in this dept - 34" wide. This should not be an issue as most every KR built deviates in terms of cockpit width. Widening the cabin by as little as 4" makes a big difference. SteveJ >From: Kevin Jarvis >Reply-To: k.jar...@mchsi.com, KRnet >To: kr...@mylist.net >Subject: KR> Fit two people >Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:35:07 -0500 > >Brian, > >I figured that someone would have jumped in there and answered your >question, ...I had the same one once. > >If I recall, go ahead someone jump in here, the KR2 that I measured was >around 34". I measured a 150 with the bowed doors and at the widest >point measured at the window sills, I think it was 41". Any body ??? > >Kevin > > > >___ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
KR> Fit two people
Kevin / Brian You will find that most established KR builders become highly suspicious of anyone asking questiuons that suggest that they have not purchased plans yet. The KR2 and KR2s are the same in this dept - 34" wide. This should not be an issue as most every KR built deviates in terms of cockpit width. Widening the cabin by as little as 4" makes a big difference. SteveJ >From: Kevin Jarvis >Reply-To: k.jar...@mchsi.com, KRnet >To: kr...@mylist.net >Subject: KR> Fit two people >Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:35:07 -0500 > >Brian, > >I figured that someone would have jumped in there and answered your >question, ...I had the same one once. > >If I recall, go ahead someone jump in here, the KR2 that I measured was >around 34". I measured a 150 with the bowed doors and at the widest >point measured at the window sills, I think it was 41". Any body ??? > >Kevin > > > >___ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
KR> Fit two people
Kevin Thanks for your reply, sorry I missed your reply, before I replied to SteveJ, Thanks again Brian Dominick -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Jarvis Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2005 12:35 AM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Fit two people Brian, I figured that someone would have jumped in there and answered your question, ...I had the same one once. If I recall, go ahead someone jump in here, the KR2 that I measured was around 34". I measured a 150 with the bowed doors and at the widest point measured at the window sills, I think it was 41". Any body ??? Kevin ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Fit two people
SteveJ Thanks for the reply, I see no reason for suspicion I am only trying to compare KR to the many other kits on the market ( which generally show cabin widths in their specs) before I spend hard earned on plans, maybe I should be suspicious of a manufacturer who does not specify the dimension. To me its an important issue I would not like to travel long distances in something with dimensions like a Cessna 150 at about 36". I guess I should have directed my question to Rand Robertson and not bothered all you busy builders. Thanks again Brian Dominick -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Ronald Metcalf Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2005 8:58 AM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Fit two people Kevin / Brian You will find that most established KR builders become highly suspicious of anyone asking questiuons that suggest that they have not purchased plans yet. The KR2 and KR2s are the same in this dept - 34" wide. This should not be an issue as most every KR built deviates in terms of cockpit width. Widening the cabin by as little as 4" makes a big difference. SteveJ >From: Kevin Jarvis >Reply-To: k.jar...@mchsi.com, KRnet >To: kr...@mylist.net >Subject: KR> Fit two people >Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:35:07 -0500 > >Brian, > >I figured that someone would have jumped in there and answered your >question, ...I had the same one once. > >If I recall, go ahead someone jump in here, the KR2 that I measured was >around 34". I measured a 150 with the bowed doors and at the widest >point measured at the window sills, I think it was 41". Any body ??? > >Kevin > > > >___ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Fit two people
Since I have 2 sets of plans 1 and 2. Does that make me suspicious of 1 set planners. - Original Message - From: "Ronald Metcalf" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:57 PM Subject: KR> Fit two people > Kevin / Brian > > You will find that most established KR builders become highly suspicious of > anyone asking questiuons that suggest that they have not purchased plans > yet. > > The KR2 and KR2s are the same in this dept - 34" wide. > > This should not be an issue as most every KR built deviates in terms of > cockpit width. Widening the cabin by as little as 4" makes a big > difference. > > SteveJ > > > > > > > > > > >From: Kevin Jarvis > >Reply-To: k.jar...@mchsi.com, KRnet > >To: kr...@mylist.net > >Subject: KR> Fit two people > >Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:35:07 -0500 > > > >Brian, > > > >I figured that someone would have jumped in there and answered your > >question, ...I had the same one once. > > > >If I recall, go ahead someone jump in here, the KR2 that I measured was > >around 34". I measured a 150 with the bowed doors and at the widest > >point measured at the window sills, I think it was 41". Any body ??? > > > >Kevin > > > > > > > >___ > >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Fit two people - suspicious
SteveJ you said, Kevin / Brian You will find that most established KR builders become highly suspicious of anyone asking questiuons that suggest that they have not purchased plans yet. The KR2 and KR2s are the same in this dept - 34" wide. This should not be an issue as most every KR built deviates in terms of cockpit width. Widening the cabin by as little as 4" makes a big difference. SteveJ Brian made it clear that he didn't have the plans and that he was making a comparison. I have yet to notice anyone "highly suspicious" on this group about anything. So much so, that I borrowed a set of plans from a builder, we were strangers to each other, without questions, just to look at them. And he didn't even have my phone number or address. As for suspicion, it is a fact I have seen dubious remarks made here by noted "professionals" that to me are the root of ignorance or a total lack of experience if these persons are in fact "professionals". (do NOT interchange "professional" with "authority" ). I am suspicious of people whose email names are different than their group sign-on names.. people that don't know what spell-check is or have a lack of understanding of grammar and people that disregard Mark L.'s instructions for appropriate usage of this group. Maybe we can beat this horse to death let the beatings begin. Kevin N741T
KR> Fit two people
You directed your questions to the right people. Also, if you want this for a long distance travel plane, maybe you do want to look at something else. This is a "sport plane". You would not want to travel across the US in a MG Midget would you? At least not on a regular basis. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ---Original Message--- its an important issue I would not like to travel long distances in something with dimensions like a Cessna 150 at about 36". I guess I should have directed my question to Rand Robertson and not bothered all you busy
KR> Fit two people
Dan,Thanks for your respected advise. As most people can least afford only one aircraft, the aircraft I wish to build needs to have reasonable performance and reasonable comfort, that's why I am still looking and asking questions. Thanks again Brian Dominick -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2005 10:29 AM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR> Fit two people You directed your questions to the right people. Also, if you want this for a long distance travel plane, maybe you do want to look at something else. This is a "sport plane". You would not want to travel across the US in a MG Midget would you? At least not on a regular basis. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ---Original Message--- its an important issue I would not like to travel long distances in something with dimensions like a Cessna 150 at about 36". I guess I should have directed my question to Rand Robertson and not bothered all you busy ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Fit two people
I beg to differ with you on that Dan. Actually it is a matter of what you consider a long distance travel plane. I flew my KR 450 miles and then flew it home two days later. It was 4.3 hours there and 3.1 back. I made the same flight several times in a Cherokee and the KR was much more comfortable. I don't think I would have any problem at all flying a KR seven to eight hundred miles in a day with one fuel stop. A fast 2S and I would think nothing of a thousand miles in a day. Also depends on passengers. I wouldn't want to do 100 miles with a passenger. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 6:29 PM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR> Fit two people You directed your questions to the right people. Also, if you want this for a long distance travel plane, maybe you do want to look at something else. This is a "sport plane". You would not want to travel across the US in a MG Midget would you? At least not on a regular basis. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ---Original Message--- its an important issue I would not like to travel long distances in something with dimensions like a Cessna 150 at about 36". I guess I should have directed my question to Rand Robertson and not bothered all you busy ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Fit two people
So noted. I guess, for me, it is because I like to get on the ground about every two hours. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ---Original Message--- I beg to differ with you on that Dan. Actually it is a matter of what you consider a long distance travel plane.
KR> Fit two people
Hi, all; Regarding the width of the KR2smine, built to plans, is 38" at the shoulders. Paul '2sprimed, working on baffles Erie' PA
KR> Fit two people
Staggered Seats? That way your shoulder does not press against the passenger. Hm, seems this was all discussed in length before. As a matter of fact, with all of the new folks showing up on the KR Net, it seems a lot of topics are surfacing again. I am very thankful that there are new members constantly joining the KR family. It only says one thing and that is we have a terrific bird. You new guys do not forget that the KR Net has searchable archives where you can gather a wealth of information. Here is the link if you do not have it: http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ Mark Jones (N886MJ) Soon to soaring with the Eagles. Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html - Original Message - From: To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: Re: KR> Fit two people > Hi, all; > Regarding the width of the KR2smine, built to plans, is 38" at the > shoulders. > > Paul > '2sprimed, working on baffles > Erie' PA > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >
KR> Fit two people
Living in the midwest,I checked the archives on the subject about putting ski's on a KR,but not sure what it would take or if it would be practicle...This year I would have needed floats more... You new guys do not forget that the KR Net has > searchable archives where you can gather a wealth of information. Here is > the link if you do not have it: > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > > > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >
KR> Fit two people
Ronald Metcalf wrote: > > You will find that most established KR builders become highly > suspicious of anyone asking questiuons that suggest that they have > not purchased plans yet. Kind of makes it tough to decide what to build, doesn't it? -- Steve N205FT mystic...@swbell.net He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in.
KR> Fit two people
I guess in your case a long cross country plane is a 737. :-) Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:10 PM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR> Fit two people So noted. I guess, for me, it is because I like to get on the ground about every two hours. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ---Original Message--- I beg to differ with you on that Dan. Actually it is a matter of what you consider a long distance travel plane. ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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Steve said The KR2 and KR2s are the same in this dept - 34" wide. --- My KR2 is 38" not 34. And I do not have any objections to NEW builders or builders to be asking questions. Phillip Matheson mathe...@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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The KR2 and KR2s are the same in this dept - 34" wide. This should not be an issue as most every KR built deviates in terms of cockpit width. Widening the cabin by as little as 4" makes a big difference. SteveJ +++ What is your name - Ronald or Steve?
KR> Fit two people
Brian - I would not like to travel long distances in something with dimensions like a Cessna 150 at about 36". Ken - I have yet to notice anyone "highly suspicious" on this group about anything. +++ I have seen Ron post a few times and 3 or 4 Steve's but never seen another Steve J - did not now there was another?? The question is a very valid one, I spent a great deal of time reading various builder reports on exactly this topic. On my plans the fuse is 38.12" at the widest, unfortunately this forward of the shoulders. At the shoulders it is about 37" at the top rail of the boat. That is the outside dimension, so deduct 1.25" (2 x 5/8") for the top longeron and doublers, thus an inside dimension of 36.75 - 1.25 = 35.5 (at the rear spar / shoulders). After reading a great deal of comment from netters, I concluded that I could safely get away with anything up to 44" outside, plus move the wide point back to the shoulder position. That is 5" more than the older C172. As someone else commented, you can customize the seats to suite your shape, age, posture etc. and end up with a very comfortable airplane. You could even modify the seats over time until you find exactly what you like. I am sure that the popularity of the KR stems from the fundamental simplicity of design and materials - it really is easy to customize. It may not always be safe or even wise to do this, but it is easy. Many builders stretch the boat - I think I have read about another 14" onto a 2S. Apart from the other benefits, this helps to accommodate the extra width in softer curves. At least Mark L and Don Reid discuss this (and other mods) on their respective web sites. Steve J Zambia
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Remember by widening the fuselage, that you'll have to order a wider canopy, and build your own forward deck, and turtledeck, because the "pre-molded" parts that RR sells will no longer fit. Not a huge deal here, because you can get a wider canopy through Todd's. Sure you could pie-section the decks and glass-in the gap, but by the time you do that, you've added a bunch of weight. My 2S project was widened 3 inches by the previous builderwhich forced me into building my own Forward deck, canopy frame and turtledeck. My turtledeck weighed half as much (7 lbs) as the RR "pre-molded" part (14 lbs). If you're interested in seeing what I went through to build it go to: http://www.kr-builder.org/ScottCable/index.html If I were to do it again, I would widen the fuselage to 46 inches (inside), reason being by the time I built the arm rest and seats, it still was, a little, shall we say "cozy". This caused me to re-think the flap handle and put in a electric linear actuator to drive the flaps. There was just not enough room inside to manipulate the flap handle. I was planning to mount the flaps to a torque tube, and the actuator was going to mount inside the CF armrest. The elevator bellcrank was going to pivot about the same torque tube. and the aileron return cable was going to route through the center of the tube. See what happens when you change one thing? Never ends! Stephen Jacobs wrote: The KR2 and KR2s are the same in this dept - 34" wide. This should not be an issue as most every KR built deviates in terms of cockpit width. Widening the cabin by as little as 4" makes a big difference. Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cab...@yahoo.com - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
KR> Fit two people
If you are looking for a small compact speed brake assy, let me know. There are pics of it on the Gathering 04 photos on krnet. Bill
KR> Fit two people
Bill couldnt find pics. Pat - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:53 PM Subject: Re: KR> Fit two people > If you are looking for a small compact speed brake assy, let me know. > There > are pics of it on the Gathering 04 photos on krnet. Bill > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
