KR> Fuel Capacity
Mike, I can't tell whether your tougue is firmly in your cheek there - I think it must be. I always understood bladder tanks were an alternative approach to having fuel vents, since the tank expands and contracts according to the volume of fuel remaining. For me there's little correlation between fuel capacity/range and bladder capacity (or other elements of in flight comfort). I want extended range (well beyond bladder capacity) so I can go somewhere interesting and come home again without refuelling. There are lots of places in Australia where fuel's not so readily available as it seems to be in the US. Cheers, Tony On 25 August 2015 at 06:20, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote: > There seems to be a lot of concern about having so much fuel capacity > that the flight will be so lengthy that the pilot's bladder capacity will > be exceeded. Pilots & aircraft manufacturers solved this problem in the > early days of aviation and I'm astonished that some members of the KR > community are apparently oblivious of this aspect of aviation history. > For situations where pilot or passenger bladder capacity is exceeded or > about to be exceeded, there is a nifty thing called a "bladder tank". > These tanks can be either permanently installed or temporarily installed. > > > From Wikipedia: > > > "Many high-performance light aircraft, helicopters and some smaller > turboprop aircraft use bladder tanks." > > Now you know! You can buy them ready to go or we can build them > ourselves. Naturally we would want to build our own bladder tanks. > > I don't have one and must confess I've had to make occasional emergency > descents to strange airports whose residents were startled to see my tiny > plane appearing unexpectedly out of the blue at high speed only to > disappear into the bushes. Putting in a bladder tank has been on my > to-do list since the beginning but it has so far not become enough of a > critical issue to actually do it. > > Mike > KSEE > > > Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. > http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
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If a relief tube is done correctly, it will SUCK it out of the airplane and you!! Ron From: Virgil N.Salisbury via KRnet To: KRnet Cc: Virgil N.Salisbury Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 9:23 PM Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Capacity ? ? The first part of? a relief tube is uphill. Residual fluid has to ? ? go somewhere. Think Gravity, Virg ? ? On 8/24/2015 5:19 PM, Joe. E. Wallace via KRnet wrote: > However, relief tubes do not require dumping?! > > Joe. E. Wallace > jwallacep51 at gmail.com > >> about to be exceeded, there is a nifty thing called a "bladder tank". >> These tanks can be either permanently installed or temporarily installed. > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> Fuel Capacity
I was hoping my somewhat tongue in cheek comment would cause some stir. https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/ https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/parts-for-sale
KR> Fuel Capacity
The first part of a relief tube is uphill. Residual fluid has to go somewhere. Think Gravity, Virg On 8/24/2015 5:19 PM, Joe. E. Wallace via KRnet wrote: > However, relief tubes do not require dumping?! > > Joe. E. Wallace > jwallacep51 at gmail.com > >> about to be exceeded, there is a nifty thing called a "bladder tank". >> These tanks can be either permanently installed or temporarily installed. > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
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Relief tubes are vital for most flights, long or short, because drinking enough water to keep hydrated results in safer landings and safer taxi speeds (better mental acuity, and fewer bodily distractions in the last hour of confinement.) In the summer I freeze a water bottle to sit on during the hot climb to altitude, and drink it during the cruise portion. I learned this from motorcycle touring where dehydration is a killer. Peter
KR> Fuel Capacity
Tony,?I'm ?on the same page as you are. I would love to have the range to be able to fly from Seattle to Ketchikan Ak. or Miami to the Turks and Caicos Islands non stop. It might be by my self but what a trip.I have a medical condition which requires me to drink a lot of water. ?Bladder relief has never been an issue with me being an over the road truck driver and the most I can drive now is eight hours without a thirty minuet ?break.? Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705 Original message From: Tony King via KRnet Date: 8/24/2015 4:45 PM (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet Cc: Tony King Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Capacity Mike, I can't tell whether your tougue is firmly in your cheek there - I think it must be.? I always understood bladder tanks were an alternative approach to having fuel vents, since the tank expands and contracts according to the volume of fuel remaining. For me there's little correlation between fuel capacity/range and bladder capacity (or other elements of in flight comfort).? I want extended range (well beyond bladder capacity) so I can go somewhere interesting and come home again without refuelling.? There are lots of places in Australia where fuel's not so readily available as it seems to be in the US. Cheers, Tony On 25 August 2015 at 06:20, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote: > There seems to be a lot of concern about having so much fuel capacity > that the flight will be so lengthy that the pilot's bladder capacity will > be exceeded.? Pilots & aircraft manufacturers solved this problem in the > early days of aviation and I'm astonished that some members of the KR > community are apparently oblivious of this aspect of aviation history. > For situations where pilot or passenger bladder capacity is exceeded or > about to be exceeded, there is a nifty thing called a "bladder tank". > These tanks can be either permanently installed or temporarily installed. > > > From Wikipedia: > > > "Many high-performance light aircraft, helicopters and some smaller > turboprop aircraft use bladder tanks." > > Now you know!? You can buy them ready to go or we can build them > ourselves.? Naturally we would want to build our own bladder tanks. > > I don't have one and must confess I've had to make occasional emergency > descents to strange airports whose residents were startled to see my tiny > plane appearing unexpectedly out of the blue at high speed only to > disappear into the bushes.?? Putting in a bladder tank has been on my > to-do list since the beginning but it has so far not become enough of a > critical issue to actually do it. > > Mike > KSEE > > > Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. > http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
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However, relief tubes do not require dumping?! Joe. E. Wallace jwallacep51 at gmail.com > > about to be exceeded, there is a nifty thing called a "bladder tank". > These tanks can be either permanently installed or temporarily installed.
KR> Fuel Capacity
There seems to be a lot of concern about having so much fuel capacity that the flight will be so lengthy that the pilot's bladder capacity will be exceeded. Pilots & aircraft manufacturers solved this problem in the early days of aviation and I'm astonished that some members of the KR community are apparently oblivious of this aspect of aviation history. For situations where pilot or passenger bladder capacity is exceeded or about to be exceeded, there is a nifty thing called a "bladder tank". These tanks can be either permanently installed or temporarily installed. >From Wikipedia: > "Many high-performance light aircraft, helicopters and some smaller turboprop aircraft use bladder tanks." Now you know! You can buy them ready to go or we can build them ourselves. Naturally we would want to build our own bladder tanks. I don't have one and must confess I've had to make occasional emergency descents to strange airports whose residents were startled to see my tiny plane appearing unexpectedly out of the blue at high speed only to disappear into the bushes. Putting in a bladder tank has been on my to-do list since the beginning but it has so far not become enough of a critical issue to actually do it. Mike KSEE Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2
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Good morning,My KR2 has a 24 gallon header tank.As mark says it is not user friendly when working behind the panel.For day time VFR it is not a big problem but once you start into high tech land it becomes an issue.An example of flying long distance would be the trip made from Cross City FL.to Pine Bluff,AR nonstop with an early GPS for hikers.5 hours 17 minutes.All the water bottles were full and some were emptied out the landing gear holes.At 4 gallons per hour there was about 45 minutes reserve[maybe]. What I remember is taking a lot of time to get out of the plane.The early astronauts must have been a lot more heroic than I thought.Not many people will ever spend that much time in the air unless they REALLY want to.It was my personal best.Tommy W. On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 4:36 AM, David Mullins via KRnet < krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > On my 3XL KR2S the Stub wing tanks calculated out to 14.5 Gal each. > They are aluminum following the contour of the airfoil between the > Spars. My stub wings are 2 feet long. The Header tank, I am guest-a-mating > at 18-20 Gal. I will have to find that out when I fill it. > > Dave Mullins > Nashua NH > > > > > > On 8/23/2015 7:55 PM, Paul VISK via KRnet wrote: > >> Yesterday I filled my out board wing tank and found it holds 10 gallons. >> With my stub wing tanks of 4 gallons each. I want to add a 10 gl header >> tank to help with cg. Total of 38 gallons. What are some of fuel capacity >> of some of the bigger tanks out there? I'm thinking this might be a little >> to much. I'll be putting on a 3.0L Carvair. >> >> Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705 >> >> ___ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to >> change options >> >> >> - >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2014.0.4830 / Virus Database: 4365/10496 - Release Date: 08/23/15 >> > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
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On my 3XL KR2S the Stub wing tanks calculated out to 14.5 Gal each. They are aluminum following the contour of the airfoil between the Spars. My stub wings are 2 feet long. The Header tank, I am guest-a-mating at 18-20 Gal. I will have to find that out when I fill it. Dave Mullins Nashua NH On 8/23/2015 7:55 PM, Paul VISK via KRnet wrote: > Yesterday I filled my out board wing tank and found it holds 10 gallons. With > my stub wing tanks of 4 gallons each. I want to add a 10 gl header tank to > help with cg. Total of 38 gallons. What are some of fuel capacity of some of > the bigger tanks out there? I'm thinking this might be a little to much. > I'll be putting on a 3.0L Carvair. > > Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705 > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4830 / Virus Database: 4365/10496 - Release Date: 08/23/15
KR> Fuel capacity
Paul Visk wrote: >> Yesterday I filled my out board wing tank and found it holds 10 gallons. With my stub wing tanks of 4 gallons each. I want to add a 10 gl header tank to help with cg. Total of 38 gallons. What are some of fuel capacity of some of the bigger tanks out there? I'm thinking this might be a little to much. I'll be putting on a 3.0L Carvair.<< My 3100cc Corvair burns right at 4 gph running 160 mph economy cruise. I could burn more, but the engine is very happy at 3150 rpm, and any faster starts burning way more fuel than the speed increase warrants. So 24 gallons is 6 hours of flying, maybe 5 if you consider the higher fuel burn of climbout and the half hour required reserve. Neither my back nor bladder would stand much more than four hours, so that's plenty for me. Keep in mind that any fuel capacity that you have will count against your gross weight, which is another reason I deleted my header tank entirely, even after having built it completely. Keep in mind that the bigger your header tank is, the more difficult your wiring behind the panel will be to access. I've put a lot of hours on N56ML with no header tank at all, and I've never missed it. Three eight gallon wing tanks gets me there just fine... Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com http://www.n56ml.com
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A thousand mile range isn't unrealistic with these planes based on all the stats I've heard. My point was that I'm not going to spend all this time building an airplane just to pee in it...I'm going to have to land every few hours. https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/ https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/parts-for-sale
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Thanks for the reply Jon,I don't think 24 gallons would do it for me. ?I'm looking for a thousand mile range. If that's ?realistic. Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705 Original message From: jon kimmel via KRnet Date: 8/23/2015 6:59 PM (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet Cc: jon kimmel Subject: Re: KR> Fuel capacity I am planning on about 24 gallons myself...I figure my bladder isn't any bigger than that. https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/ https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/parts-for-sale ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
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I am planning on about 24 gallons myself...I figure my bladder isn't any bigger than that. https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/ https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/parts-for-sale
KR> Fuel capacity
Yesterday I filled my out board wing tank and found it holds 10 gallons. With my stub wing tanks of 4 gallons each. ?I want to add a 10 gl header tank to help with cg. Total of 38 gallons.?What are some of fuel capacity of some of the bigger tanks out there? ?I'm thinking this might be a little to much. I'll be putting on ?a 3.0L Carvair.? Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705
KR> Fuel capacity
>Yesterday I filled my out board wing tank and >found it holds 10 gl. With my stub wing tanks of >4 gl. ? I wank to add a 10 gl header tank to >help with cg. Total of 38 gl.? What are some of >fuel capacity of some of the bigger tanks out >there? ? I'm thinking this might be a little to >much. I'll be putting on ? a 3.0L Carvair.? Paul ViskBelleville +++ Just because you have the capacity doesn't mean you have to fill it for each flight. I have 25 gallon capacity but seldom fly with more than 15 to 17 gallon in the tanks. Larry Flesner
KR> Fuel capacity
Yesterday I filled my out board wing tank and found it holds 10 gl. With my stub wing tanks of 4 gl. ?I wank to add a 10 gl header tank to help with cg. Total of 38 gl.?What are some of fuel capacity of some of the bigger tanks out there? ?I'm thinking this might be a little to much. I'll be putting on ?a 3.0L Carvair.? Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705
