KR> Instrument panel wire(antenna)

2011-12-02 Thread Matt Elder
On 12/2/2011 10:58 AM, Dave_A wrote:
> The reason I said 58U is that (From what I'd seen online) 58 U foam-core
> has some of the lowest attenuation of the 'common' cable types (1.7db,
> IIRC)
>

I don't disagree with you.  I've used it with great results, as have 
many people over the years.  I'm not starting an argument (this is more 
for my own personal education), but I just don't see much of a 
benefit...  at least that would drive me to rip it out of my plane.  
Yes, it's true that lower loss is better, but what range increase will 
you really see?

I did some calcs to highlight the differences between the two cable 
types.  Granted, they are simple and there are many other variables that 
I won't pretend to know about, but here it is:

Parameters -
   15 ft Coax Length
   1:1 SWR (assumed)
   8W Carrier Output Power

Results -
   RG-58 - 6.8W Output Power (.69dB total loss)
   RG-8X - 7.0W Output Power (.58dB total loss)

Perhaps it's more of a question about how far you can receive?  Glenn, 
if so, can you show me?  I just don't know.

Matt



KR> Instrument panel wire(antenna)

2011-12-02 Thread Dave_A
On 12/2/2011 7:14 PM, Matt Elder wrote:
> On 12/2/2011 9:32 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>> Not RG-58. Too lossy.  Use RG-8X instead.
> You say too lossy.  At the frequencies we run at, what's the difference
> in attenuation?
>
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The reason I said 58U is that (From what I'd seen online) 58 U foam-core 
has some of the lowest attenuation of the 'common' cable types (1.7db, 
IIRC)

It worked well enough for 10Base2 Ethernet (And yes, I actually have 
worked with/used 10Base2 in the past... It was simple, and it worked 
(until 10mbps became too slow))


KR> Instrument panel wire(antenna)

2011-12-02 Thread Glenn Martin
On 12/2/2011 8:44 AM, Matt Elder wrote:
> On 12/2/2011 9:32 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
>> Not RG-58. Too lossy.  Use RG-8X instead.
> You say too lossy.  At the frequencies we run at, what's the difference
> in attenuation?
>
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at 100 MHz:
  rg-58u: 4.5db/100 ft
  rg-8x: 3.1db/100ft
  LMR-400: 1.2db/100ft  (a larger diameter cable, but relatively 
lightweight) this provides a MAJOR improvement in received signal 
strength over RG-58 (50% less loss)

-- 
Glenn Martin,
KR2 N1333A,
Biloxi, MS


KR> Instrument panel wire(antenna)

2011-12-02 Thread Matt Elder
On 12/2/2011 9:32 AM, Glenn Martin wrote:
> Not RG-58. Too lossy.  Use RG-8X instead.

You say too lossy.  At the frequencies we run at, what's the difference 
in attenuation?


KR> Instrument panel wire(antenna)

2011-12-02 Thread Glenn Martin
On 12/2/2011 3:08 AM, Dave_A wrote:
> I'm assuming RG58/U for antenna wire...
>
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>
Not RG-58. Too lossy.  Use RG-8X instead.
-- 
Glenn Martin,
KR2 N1333A,
Biloxi, MS