KR>KR 2 plans
On 1/16/2022 11:11 PM, John Martindale wrote: Buy a set of plans from Jeanette like the rest of us have. Support her as she has us over the decades. ++ To eliminate any confusion I'll state it one more time, directly from Jeanette rand on 1/16/2022. No one, including Steve Glover, is authorized by Rand Robinson (Jeanette Rand) to sell plans created by Rand Robinson to the KR series of aircraft. Steve Glover never owned the "copyright" but was authorized by Rand to sell copies of plans produced by Rand. That is no longer the case. Jeanette's words were "the plans are off the market" and I'm retired". Jeanette has no problem with Steve selling parts or supporting the design in any way other than selling plans. While we may personally agree or disagree with that decision it is the reality we face. While I personally don't see a great liability issue given 50 years of KR crashes, deaths, and injuries, without any lawsuits that I'm aware of, it's not my bank account they would come after. I suspect it wouldn't be hard to prove that any KR flying was not "built to plans" to avoid liability but again, I have no skin in the game. On the other hand I personally see no legal issues in someone selling an unused set of KR plans. You did not sign away your right of transfer of personal property and I can sell my entire KR, built to plans, sort of, if I chose. Finally, I don't expect to see any legal issues, other than someone producing and selling new sets of plans, with anything that anyone does with unused plans they own. What legal issue is being violated? IMHO.. I also don't see a problem with someone producing an entirely new set of plans to a new aircraft incorporating all the changes and calling it a Gismo 2 and selling those plans. All aircraft have the same parts, wings, tail, fuselage, spars, landing gear, engines, etc., it's just the proportions that change. Any substantial change makes it a new and different aircraft. Value my "opinions" by the price you paid for them. Larry Flesner -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/
KR>KR 2 plans
If anyone else has a set of plans that were never used to complete an aircraft they might be a source for now for plans. Like taking your grandma's medicine maybe but hey... Larry Flesner -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/
KR>KR 2 plans
Dear members of the KR group. I took over a KR 2 project from someone, it doesn't come with drawings yet. The site of nv-aero does not work well enough. Could I take over the KR 2 plans from someone? I would like to hear from you. Kind regards, -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/
KR> KR-2 plans and drawings
Looking for a set due to my recent acquisition of a partial aircraft. Anyone no longer need theirs? Sent from my iPhone ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
KR> KR-2 plans help!!
Since nV Aero shut down. I have no idea were you can buy plans. Good luck in your pursuit. Paul Visk Belleville Il 618 406 4705 Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! - Reply message - From: "Carlos Jose Villalobos Rivero via KRnet" List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Mon, Nov 10, 2014 9:13 am Subject: KR> KR-2 plans help!! To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" hi every one my name is carlos and i am from chihuahua, Mexico. i would like to start a KR-2 project i choose this aircraft because it is an amazing aircraft and the materials are easy to found, i have been looking for the plans and the manual but i did not get luck my question is if someone of you guys can pass me the plans and the manual of this beautiful aircraft or tell me where can i find or buy the manual and the plans. please help me i am very excited with this project. thanks. ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> KR-2 plans help!!
hi every one my name is carlos and i am from chihuahua, Mexico. i would like to start a KR-2 project i choose this aircraft because it is an amazing aircraft and the materials are easy to found, i have been looking for the plans and the manual but i did not get luck my question is if someone of you guys can pass me the plans and the manual of this beautiful aircraft or tell me where can i find or buy the manual and the plans. please help me i am very excited with this project. thanks.
KR> KR-2 Plans - Corrections?
Not to mention the extended weight pilots over the average size in the 70s. Original Message Subject: Re: KR> KR-2 Plans - Corrections? From: Mark Langford via KRnet List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Sun, September 14, 2014 5:07 pm To: "KRnet" Sid Wood wrote: >Are the KR-2 Plans flawed? I believe the KR2S' additional 2" up front was a direct compensation for the extended tail length behind the main spar, rather than a cure for the short engine mounts or CG range issues.
KR> KR-2 Plans - Corrections?
Sid Wood wrote: >Are the KR-2 Plans flawed? I believe the KR2S' additional 2" up front was a direct compensation for the extended tail length behind the main spar, rather than a cure for the short engine mounts or CG range issues. Really, the engine mount should be built to get the CG in the right place for each particular plane (or "fixed" with spacers), rather than assuming that any given KR mount should be a good fit. After all, some folks mount VWs, some Continentals, and others Jabirus. Richard Mole did a very detailed stability analysis "by the book" on the KR2S (not the KR2), and his comment about the last two inches was something like "I sure hope nobody's flown it back there". He put the last nail in that issue, in my mind. A properly set up KR should have no problem flying any reasonable passenger/baggage/fuel configuration, full to empty, and still avoid that aft 2". But if you start out aft with just the pilot, it's not going to get any better! Why is the CG range given as it is. Got me... Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com website at http://www.N56ML.com
KR> KR-2 Plans - Corrections?
I think the only flaw in the original plans regarding CG, is the aft 2 inches allowed. I think the problem is that there are no KRs built to the design weight. When you add more weight, most of it is aft of the CG, therefore the reason you must do something to offset it. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics? Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Interior and Panel at 2008 ? KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN Daniel R. Heath -?Lexington, SC -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Sid Wood via KRnet Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 5:47 PM To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR> KR-2 Plans - Corrections? Most KR-2 builders acknowledge that the VW engine installation needs to have the engine moved forward 2-inches from the plans callout. Does not matter either conventional gear or tri-gear. The KR-2S supplement moves the firewall forward 2-inches more than the KR-2 plans. The above 2-inch move assumes the builder is going to use the "standard" VW engine mount. There was mention on the KRnet that the VW engine mount should be modified to add the 2-inches so builders would not need to resort to using 2-inch spacer blocks at the fire wall. All this engine moving to get better cg for flight stability indicates to me that the KR-2 plans are flawed in the first place. Hold that thought and consider this: Most builders acknowledge that the last 2-inches of the cg range (of 8 to 16-inches) should not be used for flight operations due to lack of stability and possible loss of control in stall situations. Creating an adverse cg situation by loading the airplane is an operator issue; creating an airplane with an adverse cg is a builder issue. A combination of these issues can become deadly for pilot and passenger. So, my questions to the KRnet: Are the KR-2 Plans flawed? Where is the flaw and what should the true number be? Is the drawing for the sidewall "ladder" where the main spar location is set wrong? Is it an error in locating the firewall with respect to the main spar? Is the airframe in need of a larger heavier engine? Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD, USA ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> KR-2 Plans - Corrections?
Most KR-2 builders acknowledge that the VW engine installation needs to have the engine moved forward 2-inches from the plans callout. Does not matter either conventional gear or tri-gear. The KR-2S supplement moves the firewall forward 2-inches more than the KR-2 plans. The above 2-inch move assumes the builder is going to use the "standard" VW engine mount. There was mention on the KRnet that the VW engine mount should be modified to add the 2-inches so builders would not need to resort to using 2-inch spacer blocks at the fire wall. All this engine moving to get better cg for flight stability indicates to me that the KR-2 plans are flawed in the first place. Hold that thought and consider this: Most builders acknowledge that the last 2-inches of the cg range (of 8 to 16-inches) should not be used for flight operations due to lack of stability and possible loss of control in stall situations. Creating an adverse cg situation by loading the airplane is an operator issue; creating an airplane with an adverse cg is a builder issue. A combination of these issues can become deadly for pilot and passenger. So, my questions to the KRnet: Are the KR-2 Plans flawed? Where is the flaw and what should the true number be? Is the drawing for the sidewall "ladder" where the main spar location is set wrong? Is it an error in locating the firewall with respect to the main spar? Is the airframe in need of a larger heavier engine? Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD, USA
KR> KR-2 Plans for sale
KR-2 Plans unused for sale. $200.00. Available for immediate sale. some templates included. Email for pictures and details Mr wade
KR> KR-2 Plans
Dear David, i would like to buy ur set of plans . pls let me know how to pay you Capt.Ashwin Belmar+91 9845570847 CEO Belmar Aviation --- On Mon, 4/23/12, David wade wrote: From: David wade Subject: KR> KR-2 Plans To: "kr...@mylist.net" List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Monday, April 23, 2012, 11:16 AM Hello everyone, I have a set of KR-2 plans that I no longer find use for. I am selling them at $100.00 firm. They are in Great shape and have never been used. Mr wade ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://mylist.net/private/krnet/ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> KR-2 Plans
Hello everyone, I have a set of KR-2 plans that I no longer find use for. I am selling them at $100.00 firm. They are in Great shape and have never been used. Mr wade
KR> KR-2 Plans
Sorry guys. I just re-posted the ad from Barnstormers. The plans are currently on Barnstormers. They are not my plans. I screwed up! Mike KSEE 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ebe06464e6e716068dest02vuc
KR> KR-2 plans
Can you supply a picture of exactly whats included in your sale? thanks, Dave Robins From: "laser...@juno.com" To: kr...@mylist.net Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:56 AM Subject: KR> KR-2 plans KR-2 PLANS ? $150 ? AVAILABLE FOR SALE ? Unused KR-2 plans for sale. Serial # 7145. ? Contact Donnie Watson, Owner - located Hallsville, TX USA ? Telephone: 903-238-9390 ? Posted October 28 Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ebc109c4d3a0155c0dcst02vuc ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> KR-2 plans
I purchased a partially built KR2 a few months ago without a complete set of plans. I might be interested in your set. Can you contact me off net at stowers62...@yahoo.com? David Stowers From: "laser...@juno.com" To: kr...@mylist.net Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:56 AM Subject: KR> KR-2 plans KR-2 PLANS ? $150 ? AVAILABLE FOR SALE ? Unused KR-2 plans for sale. Serial # 7145. ? Contact Donnie Watson, Owner - located Hallsville, TX USA ? Telephone: 903-238-9390 ? Posted October 28 Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ebc109c4d3a0155c0dcst02vuc ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> KR-2 plans
KR-2 PLANS $150 AVAILABLE FOR SALE Unused KR-2 plans for sale. Serial # 7145. Contact Donnie Watson, Owner - located Hallsville, TX USA Telephone: 903-238-9390 Posted October 28 Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ebc109c4d3a0155c0dcst02vuc
KR> KR-2 PLANS
Johnny Cradduck, I have a friend that has lost his plans to a partially completed KR and would like to get another set. I have added him on copy and will try to confirm with him for a follow-up tomorrow. English is not his first language, but is good enough to start communications and I can help him complete the exchange. Christopher Howard Goodrich Nacelle onsite Rep christopher.how...@goodrich.com From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net on behalf of Johnny Cradduck Sent: Sat 2/20/2010 11:16 PM To: KR Subject: KR> KR-2 PLANS I offered a set of plans for sale and got several replies, then selected the first response. The deal was not completed so here I am again. I am a bit long in the tooth for building or flying a KR. These plans are about 20 years old and are in fair condition, but not perfect. One drawing has one damaged area with information for a bellcrank. The plans are unused in that no airplane was completed. A KR was started. but not completed and has since been destroyed. Priority mail is $10+ and I will want something for my time to box them and go stand in line at the PO. Anyone interested please make an offer. I am cleaning up and next week they will be in the mail or in the trash. Please make offer only if you intend to follow through. Thanks Johnny Cradduck ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> KR-2 PLANS
I offered a set of plans for sale and got several replies, then selected the first response. The deal was not completed so here I am again. I am a bit long in the tooth for building or flying a KR. These plans are about 20 years old and are in fair condition, but not perfect. One drawing has one damaged area with information for a bellcrank. The plans are unused in that no airplane was completed. A KR was started. but not completed and has since been destroyed. Priority mail is $10+ and I will want something for my time to box them and go stand in line at the PO. Anyone interested please make an offer. I am cleaning up and next week they will be in the mail or in the trash. Please make offer only if you intend to follow through. Thanks Johnny Cradduck
KR> KR-2 PLANS
I received several replies from people wanting the plans I offered. The only fair way I could think of was to let them go to the first one (for a price, of course). I am keeping the other emails and if there should be a glitch of some kind I would go down the list. Thanks. I have a variety of parts that are not accessible right now. When I have time to see what I have, I will be back. Johnny
KR> KR-2 Plans
There are no KR2S plans. You have to buy the KR2 plans and the KR2S Supplement plans, to build a KR2S. So might as well get a deal on the KR2 plans. ttcse/Tom wrote: = Darn, if only the your plans were KR-2S. I'm looking to get an unappreciated set of that.
KR> KR-2 Plans
You should go ahead and get the $60 KR 2 plans , buy the KR2S supplement from RR for $70, pay $5 postage for the supplement and you will be $100 ahead of the $240 price of the KR2S complete plans. Just my thoughts. ttcse/Tom wrote: > Darn, if only the your plans were KR-2S. I'm looking to get an unappreciated > set of that. > > > --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Johnny Cradduck wrote: > > > From: Johnny Cradduck > Subject: KR> KR-2 Plans > To: "KR" > Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 7:45 PM > > > Several years ago I bought a partial KR-2 kit and never found the time to > build. I still have the unused plans for KR-2, not KR-2S. I am too old for > that kind of airplane now. Need to get the plans to someone who can use > them. I would sell the plans for $60 including Priority Mail. Anybody > interested? > > > > > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > >
KR> KR-2 Plans
Darn, if only the your plans were KR-2S. I'm looking to get an unappreciated set of that. --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Johnny Cradduck wrote: From: Johnny Cradduck Subject: KR> KR-2 Plans To: "KR" List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 7:45 PM Several years ago I bought a partial KR-2 kit and never found the time to build. I still have the unused plans for KR-2, not KR-2S. I am too old for that kind of airplane now. Need to get the plans to someone who can use them. I would sell the plans for $60 including Priority Mail. Anybody interested?
KR> KR-2 Plans
Several years ago I bought a partial KR-2 kit and never found the time to build. I still have the unused plans for KR-2, not KR-2S. I am too old for that kind of airplane now. Need to get the plans to someone who can use them. I would sell the plans for $60 including Priority Mail. Anybody interested?
KR> KR-2 Plans for Sale
Hello, I have been searching for some KR-2 plans the last few weeks and well ended up with too many now. Anyways I have a full set of KR2 plans & manual un-used. Asking $100 for the set , includes shipping. Thanks, Brad
KR> KR-2 Plans for Sale
Brad If you still have them I'll buy them...let me know On 9/15/06, Brad Renter wrote: > > Hello, I have been searching for some KR-2 plans the last few weeks and > well ended up with too many now. > > Anyways I have a full set of KR2 plans & manual un-used. Asking $100 for > the set , includes shipping. > > Thanks, > Brad > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Bob Glidden KR2S N181FW Corvair 110 n18...@gmail.com
KR> KR-2 Plans for Sale
Hi Bob, Also please confirm your mailing address where you would like them sent? Thanks, Brad On Fri Sep 15 13:06 , 'Bob Glidden' sent: >Brad >If you still have them I'll buy them...let me know > > >On 9/15/06, Brad Renter rent...@beakon.net> wrote: >> >> Hello, I have been searching for some KR-2 plans the last few weeks and >> well ended up with too many now. >> >> Anyways I have a full set of KR2 plans & manual un-used. Asking $100 for >> the set , includes shipping. >> >> Thanks, >> Brad >> ___ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > > > >-- >Bob Glidden >KR2S N181FW >Corvair 110 >n18...@gmail.com >___ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >
KR> KR-2 Plans for Sale
Hi Group, sorry for the extra e-mail. Thanks for the help. The plans are now gone.
KR> KR-2 Plans on e-bay
KR-2 Plans (circa 1982) on e-bay currently $25.99 with 4 days 15 hours to go. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4520427957 -- wesley scott k...@spottedowl.biz
KR> KR-2 Plans on e-bay
At 10:17 PM 1/18/2005 -0600, you wrote: >KR-2 Plans (circa 1982) on e-bay currently $25.99 with 4 days 15 hours to >go. It is a mistake to buy them. Get the new ones! I have both - a tremendous difference. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 lar...@socal.rr.com
KR> KR-2 Plans on e-bay
Larry I have a KR2 that would have been built about the time these plans were out. If I buy a new set won't I lose the original spec's relating to how mine was built ? Any amendments would be very useful to look at , I agree, but do the new plans still incorporate notes relating to earlier versions ? Phil ( Scotland ) At 22:03 18/01/2005 -0800, you wrote: >At 10:17 PM 1/18/2005 -0600, you wrote: >>KR-2 Plans (circa 1982) on e-bay currently $25.99 with 4 days 15 hours to >>go. > >It is a mistake to buy them. Get the new ones! >I have both - a tremendous difference. > > >Larry Severson >Fountain Valley, CA 92708 >(714) 968-9852 >lar...@socal.rr.com
KR> KR-2 Plans on e-bay
At 03:30 PM 1/19/2005 +, you wrote: >Larry >I have a KR2 that would have been built about the time these plans were >out. If I buy a new set won't I lose the original spec's relating to how >mine was built ? Any amendments would be very useful to look at , I agree, >but do the new plans still incorporate notes relating to earlier versions ? >Phil >( Scotland ) Plans the same, information vastly improved - still not fantastic, but vastly improved! Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 lar...@socal.rr.com
KR> KR 2 plans on EBAY
If anyone needs a set of plans, check out this auction on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26441&item=2496338252&rd=1 Bill Higdon > Hi, i was looking at the Rand Robinson website for pricing information and I > do not see a listing for the retractable gear extrusions. I want to build it > as a retract gear. Does RR still sell the parts for this option? > > Kandace > ___ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
