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Steve Don't let the Beavis and Buttheads of the world diminish what the rest of us know about your worth to the KR community. So do the Marine thing "adapt and overcome", we REALLY need to have you amongst us. Best to you, Pete Klapp > Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:56:27 -0500 > To: n925sg at gmail.com; krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> KR2S supplement > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > > Steve, > > I am so very sorry to hear that you have had another customer that has > pushed you over the edge. I sent you a private email asking you to > hang in there a few weeks back. Honestly it is pretty self serving on > my part to ask you to do so. My Wife's Cancer and treatments are taking > up all spare time and honestly cash, so even the relatively small amount > for plans is not in my budget right now. Priorities are what they are > and next year in the summer may be a go, not now. > > There will always be jerks, impatient children who have never been told no, > and honestly those looking for a free handout.So for those of us > who appreciate your very hard work, contributions, and sacrifice to make > this little plane a realityThank You. > > So please hang in there and this summer I plan on sending you a check for > the full amount of plans, supplement, shipping etc. for some KR2S plans. > > Secondly if you have appreciated Steve and his work in the KR community > give him a shout out! > > Thanks again, > > Michael > > On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Steve G. via KRnet > wrote: > > > I told him the refund was no problem. Interestingly, he said he had kr2 > > plans so I recently told him he probably just needed the supplement. Now he > > asks if someone would be so kind as to scan and provide the 2S drawings for > > "review" he will be all set. > > > > It is in fact my goal to sell nothing so I can freely support all KR > > builders and provide them with all our technical info. Then you all can > > build all our components. I'm done with it. I quit. Current orders will > > be filled then doors are closed. Good luck! > > > > Steve Glover > > > > Sent from my iPhone 6 > > > > > On Oct 11, 2014, at 19:48, Mark Langford via KRnet > > list.krnet.org> > > wrote: > > > > > > Gary Wold wrote: > > > > > > After more than 2 months of waiting for the plans and a couple notes > > from Nvaero saying my order was going to sent I came to the conclusion that > > Nvaero is for whatever reason not interested in doing business with me. I > > requested they cancel my order and refund the price paid. Guess I'll find > > something else to build.Please go back to the archive (URL is listed at the > > bottom of every KRnet email) and search for nvAero, and you'll find this > > same thread from about two months ago. KR plans delivery is not something > > Steve has control over. I assure you if he could get them to you, he > > would have done it long ago... > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Mark Langford > > > ML at N56ML.com > > > http://www.n56ml.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > > change options > > > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > > options > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
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Gary; I've noticed that ebay and Amazon shopping are setting a new standard for speed of service in specialty retail. This is all happening at great cost to small shops and brick-and-morter businesses. I don't think you have been unreasonable, and would like you to hang on here, but Steve is complaining about a very real problem that he has (had) to deal with. Email often exaggerates the speed and intensity of our feelings, and I think that has happened here. Peter Done. I'm out. Gary Wold
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Well said Bob. Steve, as Bob said, your efforts for the KR community are appreciated, including by those of us who have not been customers. I hope that even though you're no longer planning to run Nvaero your wisdom and experience will still be available to the KR community in some form. I wish you well. Cheers, Tony On 13 October 2014 03:24, Robert Miller via KRnet wrote: > Steve, > > I don't know all the problems you have had with operation of nvaero and i > fully understand your frustration with penurious customers wanting fast > food service: their net messages are indicative of their expectations and > lack of understanding how nvaero was evolving. All too often customers are > a pain in the ass - some cannot be grateful and pleased no matter how hard > you try. Please don't let a few AHs destroy your dream. As you know, there > are a lot of good KR people out here who are appreciative of your efforts. > > You and Mark are the base of KR support and it will not take much for the > kr community to collapse because of lack of direction. Avoiding the > problems of selling components may be a good thing - if it can make you a > comfortable KR guru. > > Thank you for your service. Your efforts are appreciated. I hope all this > works out well for you and all of us > KR net heads - we need your inputs. > > bob miller > > > > On Oct 12, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Steve G. via KRnet wrote: > > I told him the refund was no problem. Interestingly, he said he had kr2 >> plans so I recently told him he probably just needed the supplement. Now he >> asks if someone would be so kind as to scan and provide the 2S drawings for >> "review" he will be all set. >> >> It is in fact my goal to sell nothing so I can freely support all KR >> builders and provide them with all our technical info. Then you all can >> build all our components. I'm done with it. I quit. Current orders will >> be filled then doors are closed. Good luck! >> >> Steve Glover >> >> Sent from my iPhone 6 >> >> On Oct 11, 2014, at 19:48, Mark Langford via KRnet >>> wrote: >>> >>> Gary Wold wrote: >>> >>> After more than 2 months of waiting for the plans and a couple notes >>> from Nvaero saying my order was going to sent I came to the conclusion that >>> Nvaero is for whatever reason not interested in doing business with me. I >>> requested they cancel my order and refund the price paid. Guess I'll find >>> something else to build.Please go back to the archive (URL is listed at the >>> bottom of every KRnet email) and search for nvAero, and you'll find this >>> same thread from about two months ago. KR plans delivery is not something >>> Steve has control over. I assure you if he could get them to you, he >>> would have done it long ago... >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mark Langford >>> ML at N56ML.com >>> http://www.n56ml.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >>> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >>> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >>> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to >>> change options >>> >> >> ___ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to >> change options >> > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
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Done. ?I'm out. Gary Wold Original message
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It would seem to me though unnecessary to on a group forum to bring all this up so publically. I have been part of the KR2 community a few months now, a very short time compared to many of you, and have found everyone to pleasant, patient, friendly, and helpful. I doubt that any of us can say we executed 100% of the time on everything we commit to. I am a business owner myself. I would imagine the KR business, due to the relatively small size of the community, is not a run to the bank with wheelbarrows of money business for Steve. There has to be a lot of doing this for the love of the plane and the community. I am sorry that you didn't get the plans you want in the time frame you wanted however from the thread it appears there was some miscommunication going on. People deserve to be paid for their intellectual property and the things they sell to run their business. Scanning of information that represents someones livelihood is not right. You wouldn't want someone taking your car out of your driveway. Its time to take this out of the group list. Sorry for the long winded response however I am involved here for the joy not the politics. Alex Pearson San Antonio, TX 210.365.3374 On Oct 12, 2014 8:15 AM, "Gary via KRnet" wrote: > I wasnt going to bring this up on the list but now feel I need to provide > clarification. I ordered my plans August 6. After a couple notes with > Steve and Mark Langford I learned of the challenges Steve must deal with to > get the plans. Also learned about Steve's schedule challenge with settings > up the Gathering. As a result I backed off. > > About the time of the gathering Steve told me he had my plans and would > get then in the mail the next week. I've been patiently waiting since > then. Finally came to the conclusion I was not going to get them so > requested Steve cancel my order. > > I guess if this makes me an ass then so be it. > > > Gary Wold > > Original message > From Robert Miller via KRnet > Date: 10/12/2014 12:24 PM (GMT-06:00) > To "Steve G." ,KRnet > Subject Re: KR> KR2S supplement > > Steve, > > I don't know all the problems you have had with operation of nvaero > and i fully understand your frustration with penurious customers > wanting fast food service: their net messages are indicative of their > expectations and lack of understanding how nvaero was evolving. All > too often customers are a pain in the ass - some cannot be grateful > and pleased no matter how hard you try. Please don't let a few AHs > destroy your dream. As you know, there are a lot of good KR people > out here who are appreciative of your efforts. > > You and Mark are the base of KR support and it will not take much for > the kr community to collapse because of lack of direction. Avoiding > the problems of selling components may be a good thing - if it can > make you a comfortable KR guru. > > Thank you for your service. Your efforts are appreciated. I hope all > this works out well for you and all of us > KR net heads - we need your inputs. > > bob miller > > > On Oct 12, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Steve G. via KRnet wrote: > > > I told him the refund was no problem. Interestingly, he said he had > > kr2 plans so I recently told him he probably just needed the > > supplement. Now he asks if someone would be so kind as to scan and > > provide the 2S drawings for "review" he will be all set. > > > > It is in fact my goal to sell nothing so I can freely support all KR > > builders and provide them with all our technical info. Then you all > > can build all our components. I'm done with it. I quit. Current > > orders will be filled then doors are closed. Good luck! > > > > Steve Glover > > > > Sent from my iPhone 6 > > > >> On Oct 11, 2014, at 19:48, Mark Langford via KRnet < > krnet at list.krnet.org > >> > wrote: > >> > >> Gary Wold wrote: > >> > >> After more than 2 months of waiting for the plans and a couple > >> notes from Nvaero saying my order was going to sent I came to the > >> conclusion that Nvaero is for whatever reason not interested in > >> doing business with me. I requested they cancel my order and refund > >> the price paid. Guess I'll find something else to build.Please go > >> back to the archive (URL is listed at the bottom of every KRnet > >> email) and search for nvAero, and you'll find this same thread from > >> about two months ago. KR plans delivery is not something Steve has > >> control over. I assure you if he could get them to you, he would > >> have done it long ago... > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Mark L
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I wasnt going to bring this up on the list but now feel I need to provide clarification. ?I ordered my plans August 6. After a couple notes with Steve and Mark Langford I learned of the challenges Steve must deal with to get the plans. Also learned about Steve's schedule challenge with settings up the Gathering. ?As a result I backed off. About the time of the gathering Steve told me he had my plans and would get then in the mail the next week. I've been patiently waiting since then. ?Finally came to the conclusion I was not going to get them so requested Steve cancel my order. I guess if this makes me an ass then so be it. Gary Wold Original message
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Steve, I am so very sorry to hear that you have had another customer that has pushed you over the edge. I sent you a private email asking you to hang in there a few weeks back. Honestly it is pretty self serving on my part to ask you to do so. My Wife's Cancer and treatments are taking up all spare time and honestly cash, so even the relatively small amount for plans is not in my budget right now. Priorities are what they are and next year in the summer may be a go, not now. There will always be jerks, impatient children who have never been told no, and honestly those looking for a free handout.So for those of us who appreciate your very hard work, contributions, and sacrifice to make this little plane a realityThank You. So please hang in there and this summer I plan on sending you a check for the full amount of plans, supplement, shipping etc. for some KR2S plans. Secondly if you have appreciated Steve and his work in the KR community give him a shout out! Thanks again, Michael On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Steve G. via KRnet wrote: > I told him the refund was no problem. Interestingly, he said he had kr2 > plans so I recently told him he probably just needed the supplement. Now he > asks if someone would be so kind as to scan and provide the 2S drawings for > "review" he will be all set. > > It is in fact my goal to sell nothing so I can freely support all KR > builders and provide them with all our technical info. Then you all can > build all our components. I'm done with it. I quit. Current orders will > be filled then doors are closed. Good luck! > > Steve Glover > > Sent from my iPhone 6 > > > On Oct 11, 2014, at 19:48, Mark Langford via KRnet > wrote: > > > > Gary Wold wrote: > > > > After more than 2 months of waiting for the plans and a couple notes > from Nvaero saying my order was going to sent I came to the conclusion that > Nvaero is for whatever reason not interested in doing business with me. I > requested they cancel my order and refund the price paid. Guess I'll find > something else to build.Please go back to the archive (URL is listed at the > bottom of every KRnet email) and search for nvAero, and you'll find this > same thread from about two months ago. KR plans delivery is not something > Steve has control over. I assure you if he could get them to you, he > would have done it long ago... > > > > -- > > > > Mark Langford > > ML at N56ML.com > > http://www.n56ml.com > > > > > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change options > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
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Buy someone's project; if you pay attention, you will save build time, get something well built, and get a full set of plans for less than you would spend for the materials. I have a KR2S and KR2 project (not for sale) and each came with a full set of plans, builders logs, etc. We all start with the idea that a KR is a hot rod, but basically it is an aviation equivalent to a motorcycle; small, fast, and you will need to pay attention. I haven't finished building the KR, but mine will weigh a little less than my HD Dyna Super Glide Custom and the KR will probably be a little faster. My cost will probably be about the same to build the plane as the bike cost. Mark W. N952MW(res.) -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Gary via KRnet Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 9:04 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> KR2S supplement Would anyone be willing to send me a scan of the KR2S supplement? After more than 2 months of waiting for the plans and a couple notes from Nvaero saying my order was going to sent I came to the conclusion that Nvaero is for whatever reason not interested in doing business with me. I requested they cancel my order and refund the price paid. Guess I'll find something else to build. I would just like to have a glimpse at what could have been. Thanks Gary Wold ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
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Gary Wold wrote: After more than 2 months of waiting for the plans and a couple notes from Nvaero saying my order was going to sent I came to the conclusion that Nvaero is for whatever reason not interested in doing business with me. I requested they cancel my order and refund the price paid. Guess I'll find something else to build.Please go back to the archive (URL is listed at the bottom of every KRnet email) and search for nvAero, and you'll find this same thread from about two months ago. KR plans delivery is not something Steve has control over. I assure you if he could get them to you, he would have done it long ago... -- Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com http://www.n56ml.com
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Would anyone be willing to send me a scan of the KR2S supplement? ? After more than 2 months of waiting for the plans and a couple notes from Nvaero saying my order was going to sent I came to the conclusion that Nvaero is for whatever reason not interested in doing business with me. I requested they cancel my order and refund the price paid. Guess I'll find something else to build. I would just like to have a glimpse at what could have been. Thanks Gary Wold