KR> Repairman cert.
At 09:58 AM 2/16/2012, you wrote: >You might want to talk to your FSDO before buying it and possibly >show them what stage the build is now.. > >++ The one thing you don't want to do is buy a completed project and then try to convince the "FAA you built it. I once heard a DAR or FAA rep say someone tried that on them and they were going to "throw the book" at the guy. Check with your local FSDO and play it honest. The price of getting busted would not be worth the cost. Play it straight and they will probably work with you, unless you get one of those "bad apples" that Jeff talked about. Larry Flesner
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Thanks for all the input. Having the repairman's certificate is not essential for me, just would be nice to have. I was wanting information about how it worked in the "real world". There are a lot of theories, that's for sure. I guess I'll call them up and get their take on it. Phill
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What the FAA Inspector had me do on my first KR, a project which I purchased and finished, was to get a letter from the buyer saying that I had done at least 51 percent of the building on it. I think this is in line with what Jeff stated, but you can never tell what the FAA will do, especially in light of the not-to-distant flack over the 51% rule. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you at the 2012 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il MVN 40th Anniversary There is a time for building and it is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
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Phill, If one of the main reasons for buying the plane is to be able to do your own annual inspection, I would contact a FSDO before you plunk the money down. According to the Advisory circular Rick refers to, you will need to convince the FAA that you are the "primary builder" before being issued a repairman certificate. "Primary builder" is about as vague as saying "51%". This allows the FAA to interpret as they see fit. Ed -Original Message- From: phill.h...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:35 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: RE: KR> Repairman cert. Yeah, that's the way I read it but I wasn't sure if it was just me or not :) You know what they say, the right way, the wrong way and the FAA way. I was more concerned with buying an unfinished hand built project than one containing a bunch of premade components or prefab parts, since I'm looking for one to take over myself. Just trying to find some answers to some of my questions ahead of time. I gotta wrap my head around the process etc in order to be comfortable with the idea. > If you can convince the FAA that you built at least 51% > Actually this is a misnomer - the regs state that at least 51% of the > aircraft must be amateur built (AB). That 51% can be built my numerous > hands > and that's why the FAA published the Advisory Circular 20-27G in 2009 > which > includes a checklist for determining what was AB built and what was > commercially built. I did some investigating on this last year and touched > based with the local FSDO and they said they would use that checklist to > help determine (1) if it could be licensed as an AB and (2) help them to > make a determination if a repairman's certificate can be issued. I think > if > you bought a 90% or better project you could still obtain a repair > certificate, if one hasn't been issued and if you can convince the FSDO > that > you know enough about the structure and operating systems to determine if > is > in a condition for safe flight. I think a good approach is to develop a > checklist of the items you plan on checking when you do your annual and > present it to the FAA for review and comment. True, just would be nice not to have the added level of complexity, I don't think "complexity" is the word I was looking for but that's what came out of the keyboard. > A repair certificate is nice to have but a lack of one is not a show > stopper. Any A&P can sign off the annual condition inspection - I think > after the A&P looks over your shoulder while you are performing the > inspection and you satisfy him he won't have a problem signing your > logbook. ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://mylist.net/private/krnet/ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Repairman cert.
the DAR and the FSDO representative you talk to on the phone that you built some of the plane, and that you know it well enough to maintain it properly. Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM A&P builder of N1213W KR-2S N1317C Avid Flyer N143W Wag Aero SuperCub - Original Message - From: phill.h...@gmail.com Sent: 02/16/12 10:35 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: RE: KR> Repairman cert. Yeah, that's the way I read it but I wasn't sure if it was just me or not :) You know what they say, the right way, the wrong way and the FAA way. I was more concerned with buying an unfinished hand built project than one containing a bunch of premade components or prefab parts, since I'm looking for one to take over myself. Just trying to find some answers to some of my questions ahead of time. I gotta wrap my head around the process etc in order to be comfortable with the idea.
KR> Repairman cert.
Yeah, that's the way I read it but I wasn't sure if it was just me or not :) You know what they say, the right way, the wrong way and the FAA way. I was more concerned with buying an unfinished hand built project than one containing a bunch of premade components or prefab parts, since I'm looking for one to take over myself. Just trying to find some answers to some of my questions ahead of time. I gotta wrap my head around the process etc in order to be comfortable with the idea. > If you can convince the FAA that you built at least 51% > Actually this is a misnomer - the regs state that at least 51% of the > aircraft must be amateur built (AB). That 51% can be built my numerous > hands > and that's why the FAA published the Advisory Circular 20-27G in 2009 > which > includes a checklist for determining what was AB built and what was > commercially built. I did some investigating on this last year and touched > based with the local FSDO and they said they would use that checklist to > help determine (1) if it could be licensed as an AB and (2) help them to > make a determination if a repairman's certificate can be issued. I think > if > you bought a 90% or better project you could still obtain a repair > certificate, if one hasn't been issued and if you can convince the FSDO > that > you know enough about the structure and operating systems to determine if > is > in a condition for safe flight. I think a good approach is to develop a > checklist of the items you plan on checking when you do your annual and > present it to the FAA for review and comment. True, just would be nice not to have the added level of complexity, I don't think "complexity" is the word I was looking for but that's what came out of the keyboard. > A repair certificate is nice to have but a lack of one is not a show > stopper. Any A&P can sign off the annual condition inspection - I think > after the A&P looks over your shoulder while you are performing the > inspection and you satisfy him he won't have a problem signing your > logbook.
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Lots of people get N numbers before they finish a project. Not a major issue but you'll need photos and builders log showing what you did to finish the project to confirm the 51%.. You might want to talk to your FSDO before buying it and possibly show them what stage the build is now.. Ron From: Ed Janssen To: KRnet Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:01 AM Subject: Re: KR> Repairman cert. Phill, I assume you mean "unfinished" instead of "I'm finished". If you can convince the FAA that you built at least 51%, you have a good shot at getting the repairman cert. for the plane. Don't give up if the first FSDO office you go to turns you down. We shouldn't have to shop around, but they HAVE been known to differ in interpretations of the regulations. Ed -Original Message- From: Phillip Hill Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:51 PM To: KR List Subject: KR> Repairman cert. If you buy an I'm finished project, can you still get a repairman cert for the plane or are they strictly only granting the cert to the original builder? Also does it make a difference if the project already has an "N" number? phill ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://mylist.net/private/krnet/ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://mylist.net/private/krnet/ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Repairman cert.
Ed and Dan wrote: If you can convince the FAA that you built at least 51% Actually this is a misnomer - the regs state that at least 51% of the aircraft must be amateur built (AB). That 51% can be built my numerous hands and that's why the FAA published the Advisory Circular 20-27G in 2009 which includes a checklist for determining what was AB built and what was commercially built. I did some investigating on this last year and touched based with the local FSDO and they said they would use that checklist to help determine (1) if it could be licensed as an AB and (2) help them to make a determination if a repairman's certificate can be issued. I think if you bought a 90% or better project you could still obtain a repair certificate, if one hasn't been issued and if you can convince the FSDO that you know enough about the structure and operating systems to determine if is in a condition for safe flight. I think a good approach is to develop a checklist of the items you plan on checking when you do your annual and present it to the FAA for review and comment. A repair certificate is nice to have but a lack of one is not a show stopper. Any A&P can sign off the annual condition inspection - I think after the A&P looks over your shoulder while you are performing the inspection and you satisfy him he won't have a problem signing your logbook. Rick Human N202RH Houston, Tx
KR> Repairman cert.
Phill, I assume you mean "unfinished" instead of "I'm finished". If you can convince the FAA that you built at least 51%, you have a good shot at getting the repairman cert. for the plane. Don't give up if the first FSDO office you go to turns you down. We shouldn't have to shop around, but they HAVE been known to differ in interpretations of the regulations. Ed -Original Message- From: Phillip Hill Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:51 PM To: KR List Subject: KR> Repairman cert. If you buy an I'm finished project, can you still get a repairman cert for the plane or are they strictly only granting the cert to the original builder? Also does it make a difference if the project already has an "N" number? phill ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://mylist.net/private/krnet/ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Repairman cert.
You have to prove that you built at least 51% of the plane to get the cert. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you at the 2012 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il MVN 40th Anniversary There is a time for building and it is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -Original Message- If you buy an I'm finished project, can you still get a repairman cert for the plane
KR> Repairman cert.
If you buy an I'm finished project, can you still get a repairman cert for the plane or are they strictly only granting the cert to the original builder? Also does it make a difference if the project already has an "N" number? phill
KR> Repairman Cert.
Guys Just a follow up from a few weeks ago. The FSDO received my application for a repairmans cert. and set up an appointment for tomorrow afternoon. He really wants to check the plane, log books, operating limitations. I know my log books are up to date and feel good about someone looking at the plane but I am not sure if I should have had something else written or in my possession. I did not finish the operating handbook yet but that was mostly pictures and diagrams to finish. Any thoughts?? Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA. joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
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Why did you not get the cert from the initial inspection? Mine came within two weeks of the airworthiness inspection. The inspector made the application for me when he did the inspection. Just curious. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Web site: www.flykr2s.com Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com -Original Message- From: krnet-bounces+mjones=muellersales@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+mjones=muellersales@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Joseph H. Horton Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:56 PM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Repairman Cert. Guys Just a follow up from a few weeks ago. The FSDO received my application for a repairmans cert. and set up an appointment for tomorrow afternoon. He really wants to check the plane, log books, operating limitations. I know my log books are up to date and feel good about someone looking at the plane but I am not sure if I should have had something else written or in my possession. I did not finish the operating handbook yet but that was mostly pictures and diagrams to finish. Any thoughts?? Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA. joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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My guy would not do anything with it. He said it was a whole separate deal. I tried to get him to give me a letter of recommendation too. He shyed away from that also. Remember the guy that did my inspection was a volunteer DAR. Joe On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:18:01 -0500 "Mark Jones" writes: > Why did you not get the cert from the initial inspection? Mine came > within two weeks of the airworthiness inspection. The inspector made > the application for me when he did the inspection. Just curious. > >
KR> Repairman Cert.
At 01:36 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote: >My guy would not do anything with it. He said it was a whole separate >deal. I tried to get him to give me a letter of recommendation too. He >shyed away from that also. Remember the guy that did my inspection was a >volunteer DAR. >Joe I got lucky. I called the FSDO 11 months after I got the KR inspected and told them I needed the mechanics license to do the annual. I then whined about having to drive 3 1/2 hours to submit the application in person. He had me mail in the paperwork and I got the license in the mail. some days you just get lucky. Larry Flesner
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Get this Guys, I had not applied for my repairmens cert and the time to inspect is near. I dug out the papers last night and called the gentleman today to verify that i was doing the correct procedure. He then mentioned that he would bring the cert with him when he came to check the plane over. I was shocked and mentioned that the plane is certified and the time flown off. He said he understood and just needed to look at it and verify that I really have a plane. I am still in shock that I couldn't get the FAA to come out for the plane but they are going to come out for the repair cert. I don't really care cause I know the guy and learned to fly in his plane-- But still surprised. Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA. joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
KR> Repairman Cert.
Joe Horton wrote: > He then mentioned that > he would bring the cert with him when he came to check the plane over. Hmmm. I filled out the repairman certificate application during the final inspection, and received the repairman card (looks just like the new pilot's license) a few weeks later in the mail. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
KR> Repairman Cert.
I was told that you had to turn in your application for repairman at the time you had your inspection, or you could not get one. You are one blessed person. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ---Original Message--- I had not applied for my repairmens cert and the time to inspect is near.
KR> Repairman Cert.
That's really kind of comical. The FAA is too busy to come inspect your plane, and perfectly willing to let you pay somebody else to come do their job for them, but when it comes to something as obvious as whether or not there actually IS an airplane, they feel compelled to come look and see... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
KR> Repairman Cert.
On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:58:22 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Dan Heath" writes: > I was told that you had to turn in your application for repairman at > the > time you had your inspection, or you could not get one. You are one > blessed > person. > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics I don't think that is true. AC65-23A gives all the information of when and how. Joe
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Yea that was my point. Joe On Tue, 16 May 2006 15:26:20 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: > That's really kind of comical. The FAA is too busy to come inspect > your > plane, and perfectly willing to let you pay somebody else to come do > their > job for them, but when it comes to something as obvious as whether > or not > there actually IS an airplane, they feel compelled to come look and > see... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > >
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At 02:58 PM 5/16/2006, you wrote: >I was told that you had to turn in your application for repairman at the >time you had your inspection, or you could not get one. You are one blessed >person. >Daniel R. Heath +++ I had been told by a number of people that I was going to have to drive 3 hours to the FSDO office and apply for the certificate in person. Like Joe, I kept putting it off until the time was getting short. I called the FSDO and asked it that was the case. The guy finally came around and just mailed me the certificate. I think it's whatever they feel like on any given day. Larry Flesner
KR> Repairman Cert.
At 02:22 PM 5/16/2006, you wrote: >He said he understood and just needed to look at it and verify that >I really have a plane. ++ I think someone was looking for an excuse to get out of the office for a day. :-) Larry Flesner
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> I think someone was looking for an excuse to get out of the > office for a day. :-) > > Larry Flesner > > Could be. I may fool him and fly up to him. It is only 10 minutes away. Any excuse is a good excuse to fly. Joe Horton, Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
