KR> Risk assesment

[Ron Smith]

The death of Steve Jones has me thinking hard. When I look at how many deaths 
have occured in experimental aircraft and compare that to the number of 
experimental aircraft that have been completed and flown, it seems to me that 
our "hobby" is quite risky.

I'm ok with that.

Also I factor in that guys like Steve Jones are very intelligent folks, 
meticulous, and thoughtful.


I wonder why we build these small planes without BRS devices. That 3 thousand 
dollars seem to me to be very cheap insurance.

Now I know alot of guys will come out of the wood works and say that "as long 
as you get the nose down, and fly the plane,  etc etc"

I'm sure Steve knew to do all those things. He is gone.


Am I all wrong in my thinking?

Réf. : KR> Risk assesment

[Serge VIDAL]

I ain't a nay sayer. I've toyed with the idea myself. A serious difficulty 
is weight and CG. Because of its weight and speed, a KR2 would require a 
big and heavy BRS.
Has anybody bit the bullet yet?

Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Paris, France





Ron Smith <mercedesm...@yahoo.com>

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2005-10-20 19:19
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The death of Steve Jones has me thinking hard. When I look at how many 
deaths have occured in experimental aircraft and compare that to the 
number of experimental aircraft that have been completed and flown, it 
seems to me that our "hobby" is quite risky.

I'm ok with that.

Also I factor in that guys like Steve Jones are very intelligent folks, 
meticulous, and thoughtful.


I wonder why we build these small planes without BRS devices. That 3 
thousand dollars seem to me to be very cheap insurance.

Now I know alot of guys will come out of the wood works and say that "as 
long as you get the nose down, and fly the plane,  etc etc"

I'm sure Steve knew to do all those things. He is gone.


Am I all wrong in my thinking?
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[Cris.]

I think you are mostly right, although BRS devices are heavily discussed,
here, too.
I wander if Steve could have survived with one of those. Sufficient
altitude? If a plane spins when it's too low, maybe you can't.
I don't know...
Anyway, 3 k$ is VERY cheap. I'm afraid I could spend 5 times that, in
Europe.

C.

2005/10/20, Ron Smith :
>
> The death of Steve Jones has me thinking hard. When I look at how many
> deaths have occured in experimental aircraft and compare that to the number
> of experimental aircraft that have been completed and flown, it seems to me
> that our "hobby" is quite risky.
>
> I'm ok with that.
>
> Also I factor in that guys like Steve Jones are very intelligent folks,
> meticulous, and thoughtful.
>
>
> I wonder why we build these small planes without BRS devices. That 3
> thousand dollars seem to me to be very cheap insurance.
>
> Now I know alot of guys will come out of the wood works and say that "as
> long as you get the nose down, and fly the plane, etc etc"
>
> I'm sure Steve knew to do all those things. He is gone.
>
>
> Am I all wrong in my thinking?
> ___
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[wilder_jeff Wilder]

does anyone have a link to the BRS site?



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>
>I think you are mostly right, although BRS devices are heavily discussed,
>here, too.
>I wander if Steve could have survived with one of those. Sufficient
>altitude? If a plane spins when it's too low, maybe you can't.
>I don't know...
>Anyway, 3 k$ is VERY cheap. I'm afraid I could spend 5 times that, in
>Europe.
>
>C.
>
>2005/10/20, Ron Smith <mercedesm...@yahoo.com>:
> >
> > The death of Steve Jones has me thinking hard. When I look at how many
> > deaths have occured in experimental aircraft and compare that to the 
>number
> > of experimental aircraft that have been completed and flown, it seems to 
>me
> > that our "hobby" is quite risky.
> >
> > I'm ok with that.
> >
> > Also I factor in that guys like Steve Jones are very intelligent folks,
> > meticulous, and thoughtful.
> >
> >
> > I wonder why we build these small planes without BRS devices. That 3
> > thousand dollars seem to me to be very cheap insurance.
> >
> > Now I know alot of guys will come out of the wood works and say that "as
> > long as you get the nose down, and fly the plane, etc etc"
> >
> > I'm sure Steve knew to do all those things. He is gone.
> >
> >
> > Am I all wrong in my thinking?
> > ___
> > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp
> > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net
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> >
>
>
>
>--
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KR> Risk assesment

[Mark Jones]

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of wilder_jeff Wilder

does anyone have a link to the BRS site?




Here it is:
http://brsparachutes.com/

Easily found by typing BRS in Google and doing a search.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj
Email: flyk...@wi.rr.com

KR> Risk assesment

[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

No, but one of Al Hawvers friends was flying Al's plane and had a
Heart attack. The landing gear bar was the only surviving part. Good
plane, good pilot 
with an unlnown medical problem.,  BRS would not have helped. It is a
risk,
accept it, Virg

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Ron Smith
 writes:
> The death of Steve Jones has me thinking hard. When I look at how 
> many deaths have occured in experimental aircraft and compare that 
> to the number of experimental aircraft that have been completed and 
> flown, it seems to me that our "hobby" is quite risky.
>  
> I'm ok with that.
>  
> Also I factor in that guys like Steve Jones are very intelligent 
> folks, meticulous, and thoughtful.
>  
>  
> I wonder why we build these small planes without BRS devices. That 3 
> thousand dollars seem to me to be very cheap insurance.
>  
> Now I know alot of guys will come out of the wood works and say that 
> "as long as you get the nose down, and fly the plane,  etc etc"
>  
> I'm sure Steve knew to do all those things. He is gone.
>  
>  
> Am I all wrong in my thinking?
> ___
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> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp
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> 
> 


Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL
www.lubedealer.com/salisbury
Miami ,Fl

KR> Risk assesment

[Barry Kruyssen]

Hi All

I have a Balistic Chute, see my web page to see it installed next to my OLD 
engine and why I mounted it there. 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/grs_ballistic_chute.htm.
I'm away for work for then next week till Saturday 29th, I'll then take some 
phots with the new engine.

The type BRS I have, has been used at 800ft inverted, pilot walked away with 
minor cuts and bruises.

I think I would always try and have some type of chute on an experimental 
aircraft (I always wear a chute when flying a glider)

regards
Barry Kruyssen
Cairns, Australia
RAA 19-3873 

k...@bigpond.com
http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm 



I 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ron Smith 
  To: kr...@mylist.net 
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 3:19 AM
  Subject: KR> Risk assesment


  The death of Steve Jones has me thinking hard. When I look at how many deaths 
have occured in experimental aircraft and compare that to the number of 
experimental aircraft that have been completed and flown, it seems to me that 
our "hobby" is quite risky.

  I'm ok with that.

  Also I factor in that guys like Steve Jones are very intelligent folks, 
meticulous, and thoughtful.


  I wonder why we build these small planes without BRS devices. That 3 thousand 
dollars seem to me to be very cheap insurance.

  Now I know alot of guys will come out of the wood works and say that "as long 
as you get the nose down, and fly the plane,  etc etc"

  I'm sure Steve knew to do all those things. He is gone.


  Am I all wrong in my thinking?
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[Michael]

how many gs do you think the firewall will need to sustain when the chute 
deploys? just curious.

Barry Kruyssen <k...@bigpond.com> wrote:Hi All

I have a Balistic Chute, see my web page to see it installed next to my OLD 
engine and why I mounted it there. 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/grs_ballistic_chute.htm.
I'm away for work for then next week till Saturday 29th, I'll then take some 
phots with the new engine.

The type BRS I have, has been used at 800ft inverted, pilot walked away with 
minor cuts and bruises.

I think I would always try and have some type of chute on an experimental 
aircraft (I always wear a chute when flying a glider)

regards
Barry Kruyssen
Cairns, Australia
RAA 19-3873 

k...@bigpond.com
http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm 



I 
- Original Message - 
From: Ron Smith 
To: kr...@mylist.net 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 3:19 AM
Subject: KR> Risk assesment


The death of Steve Jones has me thinking hard. When I look at how many deaths 
have occured in experimental aircraft and compare that to the number of 
experimental aircraft that have been completed and flown, it seems to me that 
our "hobby" is quite risky.

I'm ok with that.

Also I factor in that guys like Steve Jones are very intelligent folks, 
meticulous, and thoughtful.


I wonder why we build these small planes without BRS devices. That 3 thousand 
dollars seem to me to be very cheap insurance.

Now I know alot of guys will come out of the wood works and say that "as long 
as you get the nose down, and fly the plane, etc etc"

I'm sure Steve knew to do all those things. He is gone.


Am I all wrong in my thinking?
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[Orma]

Risk Management is something that each KR pilot has had to resolve before 
his first flight in his KR, be he the builder or a purchaser.   Each time 
something unfortunate happens,  each one of us examines his own Risk 
Management program, to look for holes.   I had a few in mine, else my engine 
would not have quit on the way home from Mt Vernon.   True enough Steve 
Jones paid the ultimate price operating his toy.  However, unless I missed 
something, we really don't know why.   There have been KR's built of $1500. 
and I'm sure some are close to $20K.  Putting a band aid the size of a BRS 
on the KR is over kill for something that should not happen.  Granted if 
another plane clips your wing and you can't possibly fly, the band aid would 
be great to have.
Speculating that BRS.s are a great addition to the KR is beyond the concept 
that Ken dreamed and passed on to us.   Build it light;  learn to fly it 
well ( including stalls );   keep away from the things Ken cautioned us 
about;  use good quality parts.

Experimental aircraft were being produced at about the same rate as 
certified aircraft, until the advent of Light Sport.   Now that may change 
the numbers a bit.  I don't think so because manufactures want just too much 
for their craft.  The point here is that if you look at all fatalities in 
the KR and even other Experimental, if you take out the human factors and 
pilot errors, the true numbers aren't that alarming, compared to other 
aircraft and way far less then other hobbies.  An example of which is 
surfing.

In the 21 years that I have been flying my KR, including engine problems 
three times, I never wished for a magic canopy to lower me to the ground. 
If I had one when I was 155 miles north of Mt Vernon, I still would not have 
used it.

My concern is that finding a cure for Steve's fatality before we know why it 
happened, puts un-necessary fear into the KR family, especially those who 
are new.   Ken's creation has been changed and modified in some very 
beneficial ways, and most of the changes have come slowly and not as a quick 
reaction.
Orma
Southfield, MI
KR-2  N110LR  1984
See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com
See other KR spces at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm

KR> Risk assesment

[Martindale Family]

Hey Barry

Is that an Aussie outback shed or what !!

John

The Martindale Family
29 Jane Circuit
Toormina NSW 2452
Australia

ph:  61 2 66 584767
email: johnja...@optusnet.com.au
- Original Message - 
From: "Barry Kruyssen" <k...@bigpond.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Risk assesment


> Hi All
>
> I have a Balistic Chute, see my web page to see it installed next to my
OLD engine and why I mounted it there.
http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/grs_ballistic_chute.htm.
> I'm away for work for then next week till Saturday 29th, I'll then take
some phots with the new engine.
>
> The type BRS I have, has been used at 800ft inverted, pilot walked away
with minor cuts and bruises.
>
> I think I would always try and have some type of chute on an experimental
aircraft (I always wear a chute when flying a glider)
>
> regards
> Barry Kruyssen
> Cairns, Australia
> RAA 19-3873
>
> k...@bigpond.com
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm
>
>
>
> I
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Ron Smith
>   To: kr...@mylist.net
>   Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 3:19 AM
>   Subject: KR> Risk assesment
>
>
>   The death of Steve Jones has me thinking hard. When I look at how many
deaths have occured in experimental aircraft and compare that to the number
of experimental aircraft that have been completed and flown, it seems to me
that our "hobby" is quite risky.
>
>   I'm ok with that.
>
>   Also I factor in that guys like Steve Jones are very intelligent folks,
meticulous, and thoughtful.
>
>
>   I wonder why we build these small planes without BRS devices. That 3
thousand dollars seem to me to be very cheap insurance.
>
>   Now I know alot of guys will come out of the wood works and say that "as
long as you get the nose down, and fly the plane,  etc etc"
>
>   I'm sure Steve knew to do all those things. He is gone.
>
>
>   Am I all wrong in my thinking?
>   ___
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