KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen
I am certainly not loosing any sleep over it. Gotta love self proclaiming internet experts! I just wanted to make sure someone made a post that called him out on his comments so that others will take them with a grain of salt. Jeff Lange Race 64 - Skye Racer Blog: http://schmleff.blogspot.com Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/schmleff On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Wayne Tokarz wrote: > I would not lose one second of sleep, or give this guy one moments thought. > The internet is full of uneducated idiots who will spout off senseless > verbiage. It is very clear that this individual knows very little about > flying. I have been flying for over 32 years with mostly tail wheel time, > his comments about nose wheels is ludicrous. I used to own a 701, and the > nose wheel is a hindrance. I will never own another Zenair . KRs and > Sonnerais are GREAT little airplanes and a lot of bang for the buck. > > Wayne > > -Original Message- > From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lange > Sent: February-13-14 7:47 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen > > Guys, > > I am not one to pick a fight on the internet, but we had a guy join > sonerai.net that was apprehensive about the design based on this comment: > "The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen" > > This comment comes from the co-designer of the Sea-Era airplane (a very cool > little bird btw) and was posted on the HBA forum: > http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/aircraft-design-aerodynamics-new-te > chnology/16362-zenith-kr2s-sonerai-safety-record-comparison-4.html#post20620 > 3 > > The above link is to the last page of the thread and shows both my comments > to him and his original asinine statement. Anyone else a member over there > and would like to defend our little airplanes? > > Jeff Lange > Race 64 - Skye Racer > Blog: http://schmleff.blogspot.com > Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/schmleff > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see > http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen
Steve, Great Planes has experience with both, Virg On 2/13/2014 9:47 AM, Jeff Lange wrote: > Guys, > > I am not one to pick a fight on the internet, but we had a guy join > sonerai.net that was apprehensive about the design based on this comment: > "The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen" > >
KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen
Go to the site: (copy and paste) or Google 'Sea Era airplane' http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/bush-float-flying/11534-paul-weston-sea-era.html and you will see that the stall crash of the Sea Era and the reasons why (right wing drop on stall, low time pilot etc ) follow the input at the bottom and it makes an interesting read - especially by the engineer who helped on this aircraft. Which however, is not available to buy/build/ Otherwise a dead duck! (living close to Lake Erie it sparks my marine surveyor's eye as a Sea Doo with a wing!) No comparison to a KR, and yes Dan, an ignorant/stupid statement! Gary - Canada -Original Message- From: Dan Heath Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 10:53 AM To: 'KRnet' Subject: Re: KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen Ignorant comment. I think most who have ever flown either will agree. Really stupid.
KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen
I would not lose one second of sleep, or give this guy one moments thought. The internet is full of uneducated idiots who will spout off senseless verbiage. It is very clear that this individual knows very little about flying. I have been flying for over 32 years with mostly tail wheel time, his comments about nose wheels is ludicrous. I used to own a 701, and the nose wheel is a hindrance. I will never own another Zenair . KRs and Sonnerais are GREAT little airplanes and a lot of bang for the buck. Wayne -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lange Sent: February-13-14 7:47 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen Guys, I am not one to pick a fight on the internet, but we had a guy join sonerai.net that was apprehensive about the design based on this comment: "The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen" This comment comes from the co-designer of the Sea-Era airplane (a very cool little bird btw) and was posted on the HBA forum: http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/aircraft-design-aerodynamics-new-te chnology/16362-zenith-kr2s-sonerai-safety-record-comparison-4.html#post20620 3 The above link is to the last page of the thread and shows both my comments to him and his original asinine statement. Anyone else a member over there and would like to defend our little airplanes? Jeff Lange Race 64 - Skye Racer Blog: http://schmleff.blogspot.com Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/schmleff ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen
Ignorant comment. I think most who have ever flown either will agree. Really stupid. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics? Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Daniel R. Heath -?Lexington, SC
KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen
Looks to me like he's trying to generate interest in his plane by bashing others. ?Not a particularly good sales technique. ?Most Amateur built aircraft designs have similar stability issues that do contribute to crashes. ?That includes the Soneri, KRs, Zeniths, early GlasAirs, Lancairs, and the list goes on and on. ?I would guess that given an oportunity to fly his plane, one could pick apart it's handing characteristics as well. ?Everything on an aircraft is a compromise, so in order to have it do one thing well, something else usually suffers. ?As a builder, you balance the things that are important to you and pick your design based on that criteria. ?(mission, cruise speed, landing speed, climb, responsiveness, handling characteristics, cost to build, cost to operate, building complexity, engine choice, useful load, gross weight, storage options, operating range) For the most part, he is attempting to draw a conclusion by comparing apples to brocolli, aspragus and fruitcake. ?It's meaningless drivel that he put up to draw attention to himself. -Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM > - Original Message - > From: Jeff Lange > Sent: 02/13/14 07:47 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen > > Guys, > > I am not one to pick a fight on the internet, but we had a guy join > sonerai.net that was apprehensive about the design based on this comment: > "The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen" > > This comment comes from the co-designer of the Sea-Era airplane (a very cool > little bird btw) and was posted on the HBA forum: > http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/aircraft-design-aerodynamics-new-technology/16362-zenith-kr2s-sonerai-safety-record-comparison-4.html#post206203 > > The above link is to the last page of the thread and shows both my comments > to him and his original asinine statement. Anyone else a member over there > and would like to defend our little airplanes? > > Jeff Lange > Race 64 - Skye Racer > Blog: http://schmleff.blogspot.com > Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/schmleff
KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen
What a bone head. I will have to have a word with him at Sun N Fun if he is there. Interesting part about the RV safety record and the more reliable engine distorting the statistics. It is true that the vast majority of RV builders use factory new engines or they build new ones themselves at a factory build center. If everyone building a KR or Sonerai had $25K for a brand new O-200 the safety record would skyrocket and if all the RV builders were using auto conversions they would be killing people every day. Don't take this as a bash on auto conversions. They are safe and reliable when done correctly, but not as reliable as a brand new or overhauled aircraft engine. Original Message Subject: KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen From: Jeff Lange List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Thu, February 13, 2014 7:47 am To: KRnet Guys, I am not one to pick a fight on the internet, but we had a guy join sonerai.net that was apprehensive about the design based on this comment: "The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen"
KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen
Guys, I am not one to pick a fight on the internet, but we had a guy join sonerai.net that was apprehensive about the design based on this comment: "The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen" This comment comes from the co-designer of the Sea-Era airplane (a very cool little bird btw) and was posted on the HBA forum: http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/aircraft-design-aerodynamics-new-technology/16362-zenith-kr2s-sonerai-safety-record-comparison-4.html#post206203 The above link is to the last page of the thread and shows both my comments to him and his original asinine statement. Anyone else a member over there and would like to defend our little airplanes? Jeff Lange Race 64 - Skye Racer Blog: http://schmleff.blogspot.com Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/schmleff
