KR> canopy height, panel height, cockpit width
Mark, I say "ditto" to what you have said about height and width. I have yet to ride in a KR. I am 6'21/2" tall. I weigh 200. I have had 2 opportunities to ride in a KR2 and a KR2S. Both times my head touched the canopy top. I made my cabin 4" wider at the outside. I gave up the convenience and looks of a formed plexiglass canopy, and made my own formers, and now I wish I had made them an inch higher. I do have clearance, but just barely. Now I have a 31/2" wide console down the center of my cockpit. There I have my rudder cables and turnbuckles for adjustment. I also have an armrest. As you have mentioned, one change made makes necessary others (plural). I don't know how necessary it was, but I added 6" to the length of my center spar, to offset the extra width of the cockpit. Happy Building. And, let's don't give up. Ray Goree (raybeth...@sbcglobal.net) > > ___ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> canopy height, panel height, cockpit width
NetHeads, I've flown in probably 10 or 12 different KRs over the years, and would like to point out a few things to those of you who are building, in hopes that it's not too late to keep you from making the same mistakes that many builders make. 1) Widen the fuselage at the cockpit, period! The simple truth is that anybody who carries a passenger in a KR2 or KR2S (they are both the SAME width if built per plans) will want to surgically remove the passenger's left arm at the shoulder to avoid discomfort. I'm pretty skinny, and I always have to put my arm around the pilot's neck to fly a KR. Don't let this happen to you. Widen it at least 3" at the shoulders, or kick yourself later when you come to the realization that your passengers will be miserable. It's easy to do (unless you plan on using the full RR premolds) and won't cost you much speed. 2) Make the canopy tall enough for passengers. You say you're short and you can see just fine? Your next passenger may need a lobotomy to fit inside. My canopy is 17" above the longerons (which is per plans, best I could tell), and my seat is 1" off the floor, and I only have an inch above my headset. It was worse than that, but I just spent the day hacking up my seat to lower it two inches! I thought I'd be OK until I bought the new Lightspeed headset that has an extra inch of padding on top. Your choice of canopy has an effect too. The Dragonfly is flatter across the top, giving ample headroom for both pilot and passenger, and allows more lateral space so you can look down over the side of the fuselage. But whatever canopy you use, it can probably be reshaped to some extent at the aft end to take on more of a squarish shape that'll be comfortable to fly in. I once flew in a KR2S that I had to bend my head over toward the center of the cockpit, and didn't even have enough room for my arms to move far enough to bring my camera up to my eye. 3) Don't make the instrument panel hang down more than an inch or two below the top of the longerons. Mine hangs down 1.5" below the top of the longeron, and I have plenty of legroom, but my legs are skinny. Some of these guys look like they're slipping their legs through slots. I got in one KR2S where my knees were jammed into the bottom of the panel, right at the knee cap. I'm still recovering. If you're using the AS5048 airfoil (the tall one), don't forget that your main spar just grew about 2" taller, and you're going to need even more room under your panel. Most of the panels I see have plenty of room to spare between instruments, and could have easily been "tightened up" vertically. If you've got two rows of 3.12" instruments, you've got enough. While I am 6 feet tall, I only weigh 142 pounds (that's why I get all the KR rides), so I'm not exactly a giant. Having said all of this, my wife would probably point out that I'm one of the few people on the planet who could manage to complain about having flown in so many different KRs. But I like to think of it as the voice of experience, trying to persuade you guys not to make the same mistakes others have made... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
KR> canopy height, panel height, cockpit width
RE: keep you from making the same mistakes that many builders make. At the risk of posting a ME TOO, which may be better than something about uranium, I agree with Mark and want to add something. First, this is my second KR. I flew the first one for a little over 6 years. I could not put on my headsets without bumping the side of the bubble. This is the reason that Jerry and I have spent so much time on our canopy. We had all the pre-molded parts. We discarded the canopy frame and cut up the bubble to use as windows. The turtle deck is wrapped around a frame that was designed around US, 2 people. We then filled it in on the sides. We could not widen the fuselage because by the time we realized that it could be done it was way too late. We spent a lot of time designing the seats to get us as low in the available space as possible. We have test driven our beast and it is very tight at the shoulders. Be sure you are flying with a friend and/or lover and remember your TicTacs. The thing that I want to add is, take the time to put in dual sticks or at least get the control between the pilot's legs. Other than NO head room, the center location of the stick, is the thing that bothered me the most about my first KR. There are many benefits to doing this and as I see it, no down side. You have a built in arm rest, your legs. You can fly with either hand, you can let the passenger fly the plane, and most likely will be able to stabilize the craft with your legs while you unfold your map or have to do something that requires both hands. Of course, if you are lucky enough to build one like Bill Clapp's, then the last benefit is mute. Decide on the mission for your craft before you start and give extreeme consideration for any deviations from that mission during the building process. There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ---Original Message--- From: KRnet List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 10/16/04 21:46:41 To: KRnet Subject: KR> canopy height, panel height, cockpit width NetHeads, I've flown in probably 10 or 12 different KRs over the years, and would like to point out a few things to those of you who are building, in hopes that it's not too late to keep you from making the same mistakes that many builders make. 1) Widen the fuselage at the cockpit, period! The simple truth is that anybody who carries a passenger in a KR2 or KR2S (they are both the SAME width if built per plans) will want to surgically remove the passenger's left arm at the shoulder to avoid discomfort. I'm pretty skinny, and I always have to put my arm around the pilot's neck to fly a KR. Don't let this happen to you. Widen it at least 3" at the shoulders, or kick yourself later when you come to the realization that your passengers will be miserable. It's easy to do (unless you plan on using the full RR premolds) and won't cost you much speed. 2) Make the canopy tall enough for passengers. You say you're short and you can see just fine? Your next passenger may need a lobotomy to fit inside. My canopy is 17" above the longerons (which is per plans, best I could tell), and my seat is 1" off the floor, and I only have an inch above my headset. It was worse than that, but I just spent the day hacking up my seat to lower it two inches! I thought I'd be OK until I bought the new Lightspeed headset that has an extra inch of padding on top. Your choice of canopy has an effect too. The Dragonfly is flatter across the top, giving ample headroom for both pilot and passenger, and allows more lateral space so you can look down over the side of the fuselage. But whatever canopy you use, it can probably be reshaped to some extent at the aft end to take on more of a squarish shape that'll be comfortable to fly in. I once flew in a KR2S that I had to bend my head over toward the center of the cockpit, and didn't even have enough room for my arms to move far enough to bring my camera up to my eye. 3) Don't make the instrument panel hang down more than an inch or two below the top of the longerons. Mine hangs down 1.5" below the top of the longeron, and I have plenty of legroom, but my legs are skinny. Some of these guys look like they're slipping their legs through slots. I got in one KR2S where my knees were jammed into the bottom of the panel, right at the knee cap. I'm still recovering. If you're using the AS5048 airfoil (the tall one), don't forget that your main spar just grew about 2" taller, and you're going to need even more room under your panel. Most of the panels I see have plenty of room to spare between instruments, and could have easily been "tightene
KR> canopy height, panel height, cockpit width
For ease of building, make the bottom to side a 90 degree angle. Or do not taper top to bottom, Virg On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:43:48 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: > NetHeads, > > I've flown in probably 10 or 12 different KRs over the years, and > would like > to point out a few things to those of you who are building, in hopes > that > it's not too late to keep you from making the same mistakes that > many > builders make. > > 1) Widen the fuselage at the cockpit, period! The simple truth is > that > anybody who carries a passenger in a KR2 or KR2S (they are both the > SAME > width if built per plans) will want to surgically remove the > passenger's > left arm at the shoulder to avoid discomfort. I'm pretty skinny, > and I > always have to put my arm around the pilot's neck to fly a KR. > Don't let > this happen to you. Widen it at least 3" at the shoulders, or kick > yourself > later when you come to the realization that your passengers will be > miserable. It's easy to do (unless you plan on using the full RR > premolds) > and won't cost you much speed. > > 2) Make the canopy tall enough for passengers. You say you're short > and you > can see just fine? Your next passenger may need a lobotomy to fit > inside. > My canopy is 17" above the longerons (which is per plans, best I > could > tell), and my seat is 1" off the floor, and I only have an inch > above my > headset. It was worse than that, but I just spent the day hacking > up my > seat to lower it two inches! I thought I'd be OK until I bought the > new > Lightspeed headset that has an extra inch of padding on top. Your > choice of > canopy has an effect too. The Dragonfly is flatter across the top, > giving > ample headroom for both pilot and passenger, and allows more lateral > space > so you can look down over the side of the fuselage. But whatever > canopy you > use, it can probably be reshaped to some extent at the aft end to > take on > more of a squarish shape that'll be comfortable to fly in. I once > flew in a > KR2S that I had to bend my head over toward the center of the > cockpit, and > didn't even have enough room for my arms to move far enough to bring > my > camera up to my eye. > > 3) Don't make the instrument panel hang down more than an inch or > two below > the top of the longerons. Mine hangs down 1.5" below the top of > the > longeron, and I have plenty of legroom, but my legs are skinny. > Some of > these guys look like they're slipping their legs through slots. I > got in > one KR2S where my knees were jammed into the bottom of the panel, > right at > the knee cap. I'm still recovering. If you're using the AS5048 > airfoil (the > tall one), don't forget that your main spar just grew about 2" > taller, and > you're going to need even more room under your panel. Most of the > panels I > see have plenty of room to spare between instruments, and could have > easily > been "tightened up" vertically. If you've got two rows of 3.12" > instruments, you've got enough. > > While I am 6 feet tall, I only weigh 142 pounds (that's why I get > all the KR > rides), so I'm not exactly a giant. Having said all of this, my > wife would > probably point out that I'm one of the few people on the planet who > could > manage to complain about having flown in so many different KRs. But > I like > to think of it as the voice of experience, trying to persuade you > guys not > to make the same mistakes others have made... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > ___ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl
