KR> aileron control horn
Does anyone have a picture of the aileron control horn and its hookup. If so, you can send it to me off net atairgu...@comcast.net (don't want to creat a 500 person fuss on the net). I see all of the writeup and dimensions in the manual but can't seem to visualize it. Guess I need a fly-in so I can snoop. -- Paul KR2 Stretched Derry, NH
KR> aileron control horn
There's a decent picture of Mark Jone's at http://www.krnet.org/as504x/as5046inst.html , although it's located on the opposite side of the spar than the plans call for, to give it a little more room than the plans give you. A assume you meant the bellcrank assembly, as it is somewhat complicated, and there's not much to the control horn itself. I'm sure there are better pictures out there, but this is a start.. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
KR> aileron control horn
airgu...@comcast.net wrote:Does anyone have a picture of the aileron control horn and its hookup. If so, you can send it to me off net at airgu...@comcast.net (don't want to creat a 500 person fuss on the net). I see all of the writeup and dimensions in the manual but can't seem to visualize it. Guess I need a fly-in so I can snoop. Here's a link that might help. http://kr2s.r-farley.com/Construction/controls_aileron.html Nice anodizing. I'm going to do the same thing. - Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars.
KR>aileron control horn
>The net keeps mentioning 2X4 T6061 extrusion. Aviation Spruce has 2.5X4 >version. Is this what is meant. Also, measuring the drawing comes up with >a horn that is 3X2.6 which doesn't fit. What should I do? Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 lar...@socal.rr.com
KR>Aileron Control / suppliers
Let me know what you find out..I've been looking into several options. I'm thinking about having a set of transmission cables made custom length by B+M - Les. I have found the Manufactures of the Cobra and Jabiru control cables. I rang them and they said about $80 Aust each for aileron cables, They would need to now the following Tip to Tip length ( inner cable) Movement length and what end fittings, ( 1/2 28 threat for rod end bearing etc..) and type of mounting, ( threaded adjustable) TutHill Australia. 19 / 128 Canterbury Rd Kilsyth Vic 3137 Australia Phone 61 3 97206533 No web site.??? Phil Matheson mathe...@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/
KR>Aileron Control / suppliers
I've found a set of cables here, originally intended to be used on a transmission shifter, but the perfect length with eye fittings on the ends. Thanks for the info, I'll include some pictures when I get it all installed. Les Criscillo Tampa, FL lcris...@tampabay.rr.com http://groups.msn.com/LesLifeandfriends/homepage - Original Message - From: Phil Matheson To: KRnet Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 15:47 Subject: Re: KR>Aileron Control / suppliers Let me know what you find out..I've been looking into several options. I'm thinking about having a set of transmission cables made custom length by B+M - Les. I have found the Manufactures of the Cobra and Jabiru control cables. I rang them and they said about $80 Aust each for aileron cables, They would need to now the following Tip to Tip length ( inner cable) Movement length and what end fittings, ( 1/2 28 threat for rod end bearing etc..) and type of mounting, ( threaded adjustable) TutHill Australia. 19 / 128 Canterbury Rd Kilsyth Vic 3137 Australia Phone 61 3 97206533 No web site.??? Phil Matheson mathe...@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ___ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
KR>Aileron Control
Has anyone used Aileron Push Pull Cables, ( AS they use in the Jabiru )instead of Normal Cables or Push rods? I'm moving my bell cranks infront of the Rear spar so I can use a Larger flap. and I think it will be difficult use my currant push rod system, and push through the WAF gap. A go cable I think would be great, same as a model aircraft, so to speak. Phil Matheson mathe...@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/
KR>Aileron Control
Let me know what you find out..I've been looking into several options. I'm thinking about having a set of transmission cables made custom length by B+M with fittings on both ends. I saw a similar set up on an all glass sea plane at the Sun and Fun a couple of years ago, and the controls were smooth and free. I'll let you know if I get any additional info. Les Criscillo Tampa, FL lcris...@tampabay.rr.com leslifeandfrie...@groups.msn.com - Original Message - From: Phil Matheson To: KRnet Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 05:56 Subject: Re: KR>Aileron Control Has anyone used Aileron Push Pull Cables, ( AS they use in the Jabiru )instead of Normal Cables or Push rods?
KR>Aileron Control
Let me know what you find out..I've been looking into several options. I'm thinking about having a set of transmission cables made custom length by B+M with fittings on both ends Les Thank you very much. The Jabiru and Cobra, in Australua both use them. http://www.tomair.com.au/cobra_home_page_001.htm http://www.jabiru.net.au/ Phil Matheson mathe...@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/
KR>Aileron Control
Les, Here is the link to the site were I puchased my push-pull cables. http://www.outdoorsuperstore.com/store/products/category.asp?categoryID=61805 The 33C cables are 10-32 threads and the 43C cables are 1/4-28 Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire Les Criscillo wrote: >Let me know what you find out..I've been looking into several options. I'm >thinking about having a set of transmission cables made custom length by B+M >with fittings on both ends. I saw a similar set up on an all glass sea plane >at the Sun and Fun a couple of years ago, and the controls were smooth and >free. I'll let you know if I get any additional info. > >Les Criscillo >Tampa, FL > >lcris...@tampabay.rr.com >leslifeandfrie...@groups.msn.com > - Original Message - > From: Phil Matheson > To: KRnet > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 05:56 > Subject: Re: KR>Aileron Control > > > Has anyone used Aileron Push Pull Cables, ( AS they use in the > Jabiru )instead of Normal Cables or Push rods? > >___ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > >
KR>Aileron Control
Thanks David, I've looked over the site. The shortest cable they seem to have is an 8 foot one. I'll need something shorter than that I think ...but at least it's a place to start! Thanks again! Les Criscillo Tampa, FL lcris...@tampabay.rr.com leslifeandfrie...@groups.msn.com - Original Message - From: David Mullins To: KRnet Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 00:59 Subject: Re: KR>Aileron Control Les, Here is the link to the site were I puchased my push-pull cables. http://www.outdoorsuperstore.com/store/products/category.asp?categoryID=61805 The 33C cables are 10-32 threads and the 43C cables are 1/4-28 Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire Les Criscillo wrote: >Let me know what you find out..I've been looking into several options. I'm thinking about having a set of transmission cables made custom length by B+M with fittings on both ends. I saw a similar set up on an all glass sea plane at the Sun and Fun a couple of years ago, and the controls were smooth and free. I'll let you know if I get any additional info. > >Les Criscillo >Tampa, FL > >lcris...@tampabay.rr.com >leslifeandfrie...@groups.msn.com > - Original Message - > From: Phil Matheson > To: KRnet > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 05:56 > Subject: Re: KR>Aileron Control > > > Has anyone used Aileron Push Pull Cables, ( AS they use in the > Jabiru )instead of Normal Cables or Push rods? > >___ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > ___ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
KR>Aileron Control
Les, I purchased two 4' B shifter cables when I started to redo my aileron controls using a torque tube to get behind the aft spar. I went with the 8' cables because now they go from the left stick through a 180º turn under the seat, under the aft spar, and out the left stub wing to a bellcrank. No torque tube needed now. When I get the brackets mounted to the dual stick assembly I will get a picture to you. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://n323xl.iwarp.com Les Criscillo wrote: >Thanks David, I've looked over the site. The shortest cable they seem to have >is an 8 foot one. I'll need something shorter than that I think ...but at >least it's a place to start! Thanks again! > >Les Criscillo >Tampa, FL > >lcris...@tampabay.rr.com >leslifeandfrie...@groups.msn.com > - Original Message - > From: David Mullins > To: KRnet > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 00:59 > Subject: Re: KR>Aileron Control > > > Les, > > Here is the link to the site were I puchased my push-pull cables. > > http://www.outdoorsuperstore.com/store/products/category.asp?categoryID=61805 > > The 33C cables are 10-32 threads and the 43C cables are 1/4-28 > > Dave Mullins > Nashua, New Hampshire > > Les Criscillo wrote: > > >Let me know what you find out..I've been looking into several options. I'm > thinking about having a set of transmission cables made custom length by B+M > with fittings on both ends. I saw a similar set up on an all glass sea plane > at the Sun and Fun a couple of years ago, and the controls were smooth and > free. I'll let you know if I get any additional info. > > > >Les Criscillo > >Tampa, FL > > > >lcris...@tampabay.rr.com > >leslifeandfrie...@groups.msn.com > > - Original Message - > > From: Phil Matheson > > To: KRnet > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 05:56 > > Subject: Re: KR>Aileron Control > > > > > > Has anyone used Aileron Push Pull Cables, ( AS they use in the > > Jabiru )instead of Normal Cables or Push rods? > > > >___ > >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > > > ___ > see KRnet list details at > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html___ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > >
KR>Aileron Control
Want to sell me the 4 foot cables? Les Criscillo Tampa, FL lcris...@tampabay.rr.com leslifeandfrie...@groups.msn.com - Original Message - From: David Mullins To: KRnet Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:12 Subject: Re: KR>Aileron Control Les, I purchased two 4' B shifter cables when I started to redo my aileron controls using a torque tube to get behind the aft spar. I went with the 8' cables because now they go from the left stick through a 180º turn under the seat, under the aft spar, and out the left stub wing to a bellcrank. No torque tube needed now. When I get the brackets mounted to the dual stick assembly I will get a picture to you. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://n323xl.iwarp.com Les Criscillo wrote: >Thanks David, I've looked over the site. The shortest cable they seem to have is an 8 foot one. I'll need something shorter than that I think ...but at least it's a place to start! Thanks again! > >Les Criscillo >Tampa, FL > >lcris...@tampabay.rr.com >leslifeandfrie...@groups.msn.com > - Original Message - > From: David Mullins > To: KRnet > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 00:59 > Subject: Re: KR>Aileron Control > > > Les, > > Here is the link to the site were I puchased my push-pull cables. > > http://www.outdoorsuperstore.com/store/products/category.asp?categoryID=61805 > > The 33C cables are 10-32 threads and the 43C cables are 1/4-28 > > Dave Mullins > Nashua, New Hampshire > > Les Criscillo wrote: > > >Let me know what you find out..I've been looking into several options. I'm thinking about having a set of transmission cables made custom length by B+M with fittings on both ends. I saw a similar set up on an all glass sea plane at the Sun and Fun a couple of years ago, and the controls were smooth and free. I'll let you know if I get any additional info. > > > >Les Criscillo > >Tampa, FL > > > >lcris...@tampabay.rr.com > >leslifeandfrie...@groups.msn.com > > - Original Message - > > From: Phil Matheson > > To: KRnet > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 05:56 > > Subject: Re: KR>Aileron Control > > > > > > Has anyone used Aileron Push Pull Cables, ( AS they use in the > > Jabiru )instead of Normal Cables or Push rods? > > > >___ > >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > > > ___ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html___ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > ___ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
KR>Re: KR Aileron control at low speeds?
That makes sense... thanks for the feedback. > Yes, you are supposed to recover from a stall or spin with the rudder; > however, the full length (almost) aileron combined with the tiny short > coupled rudder on the KR makes standard actions not necessarily the best. > > At 06:56 PM 9/1/2003 +0100, you wrote: > >Has anyone looked at the SIZE of a KR aileron... > >I can't believe there are problems with aileron response > >at low speeds... the darn aileron is nearly the length > >of the entire wingspan! > > > >Besides at REAL low speeds, i.e. Slow flight near > >the stall... if a wing drops, you are supposed to use > >rudder instead of ailearon to prevent stalling a wing. > > > >Am I missing somthing... Of cousre I haven't FLOWN > >my KR yet... so I am totally unaware of my birds actual > >flight characteristics. > >-- > > > >http://www.operamail.com > >Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year > > > > > >Powered by Outblaze > > > >___ > >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > lar...@socal.rr.com > > > ___ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html -- http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze
KR>KR Aileron control at low speeds?
RE: Dropping the wing I noticed that on one of my first flights on my first KR. However, it was the same wing as the rudder. If, while crusing along, I sharply applied one of the rudders, the wing on that side would sharply drop. Because that wing is effectively backing up with respect to the other wing, I guess you should expect it to drop. One of the nice things about the KR is, that while in normal cruise, you really don't need rudder input. Larry, Did Willie say if he and his wife are coming this year? N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC da...@kr-builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org
KR>Re: KR Aileron control at low speeds?
He did not say the KR had slow aileron response !!! He said thr gliders response improved at slow speeds . Kenny - Original Message - From: "Ross Youngblood" <ross...@operamail.com> To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: KR>Re: KR Aileron control at low speeds? > Has anyone looked at the SIZE of a KR aileron... > I can't believe there are problems with aileron response > at low speeds... the darn aileron is nearly the length > of the entire wingspan! > >Besides at REAL low speeds, i.e. Slow flight near > the stall... if a wing drops, you are supposed to use > rudder instead of ailearon to prevent stalling a wing. > > Am I missing somthing... Of cousre I haven't FLOWN > my KR yet... so I am totally unaware of my birds actual > flight characteristics. > -- > > http://www.operamail.com > Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year > > > Powered by Outblaze > > ___ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
KR>KR Aileron control at low speeds?
That's true for my KR2 as well: What I experience is that strong rudder input will drop the opposite wing slightly. I never tried throughout the speed range, but it is true around, say, 80 Kts. ZS-WEC is stock, as per plans. I don't understand what you mean by 3 degrees washout, but if it is in the plans, mine has got it.Aerodynamically, my KR is perfectly standard, except that the CG has been pushed forward a bit. Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Tunis, Tunisia -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of larry flesner Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:44 AM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>KR Aileron control at low speeds? >All, >My KR came as a built unit by Mark Edal. I have inspections dated 1994. He >stretched a KR2 to 16.5' + but kept the KR2 stab and rudder. I can't lift a >wing with rudder as it will increase the drop of the wing. Al. ++ This came up in a conversation I had with Willie Wilson from England. He stated that his KR will also drop a wing opposite to the rudder being used. He attributed it to the 3 degrees of wing washout. That was something I was going to test in my first few hours of flight (hopefully soon) and see if I get the same response. I'd be intrested to know if someone with a flying KR that has not built in the full 3 degrees of washout get the same response or not and how many KR flyers have noted this in their flying KR. I don't remember now if he said what speeds this happens at or if it was at all speeds. By the way, Willie also said he didn't tell the inspectors that his KR exibited this little trait as they might not be too happy with it so let's keep this among KR builders and flyers. After all, I don't think it has brought any KRs out of the air yet. Larry (still assembling and an occasional taxi test) Flesner Just 10 more sunrises till Mark and I head for Red Oak in either the Tripacer or the Oldsmobile! ___ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
KR>Re: KR Aileron control at low speeds?
Yes, you are supposed to recover from a stall or spin with the rudder; however, the full length (almost) aileron combined with the tiny short coupled rudder on the KR makes standard actions not necessarily the best. At 06:56 PM 9/1/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Has anyone looked at the SIZE of a KR aileron... >I can't believe there are problems with aileron response >at low speeds... the darn aileron is nearly the length >of the entire wingspan! > >Besides at REAL low speeds, i.e. Slow flight near >the stall... if a wing drops, you are supposed to use >rudder instead of ailearon to prevent stalling a wing. > >Am I missing somthing... Of cousre I haven't FLOWN >my KR yet... so I am totally unaware of my birds actual >flight characteristics. >-- > >http://www.operamail.com >Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year > > >Powered by Outblaze > >___ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 lar...@socal.rr.com
KR>KR Aileron control at low speeds?
Basic responses: aileron - roll, then turn rudder - turn then roll together - coordinated turn At 06:48 AM 9/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: >RE: Dropping the wing > > > >I noticed that on one of my first flights on my first KR. However, it was >the same wing as the rudder. If, while crusing along, I sharply applied >one of the rudders, the wing on that side would sharply drop. Because that >wing is effectively backing up with respect to the other wing, I guess you >should expect it to drop. > > > >One of the nice things about the KR is, that while in normal cruise, you >really don't need rudder input. > > > >Larry, > > > >Did Willie say if he and his wife are coming this year? > > > >N64KR > > > >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > >da...@kr-builder.org > > > >See you in Red Oak - 2003 > > > >See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic > >See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > > ___ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 lar...@socal.rr.com
KR>Re: KR Aileron control at low speeds?
Has anyone looked at the SIZE of a KR aileron... I can't believe there are problems with aileron response at low speeds... the darn aileron is nearly the length of the entire wingspan! Besides at REAL low speeds, i.e. Slow flight near the stall... if a wing drops, you are supposed to use rudder instead of ailearon to prevent stalling a wing. Am I missing somthing... Of cousre I haven't FLOWN my KR yet... so I am totally unaware of my birds actual flight characteristics. -- http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze
KR>Re: KR Aileron control at low speeds?
All, My KR came as a built unit by Mark Edal. I have inspections dated 1994. He stretched a KR2 to 16.5' + but kept the KR2 stab and rudder. I can't lift a wing with rudder as it will increase the drop of the wing. It follows a turn nicely at 80mph without rudder input. On climbout I put a little rudder input to keep the ball centered. A little tail wagging is evident on climb at 80mph. Stall at altitude is very friendly with no buffeting just mushes along with aileron input. Slips are easy to do but I don't use them on landing, just do low approaches to reduce speed. I have a landing in Brandon, Manitoba that showed the sock out straight off the right wing (90*) and didn't bustup the plane. This is one friendly bird to fly. Al.
KR>Re: KR Aileron control at low speeds?
There isn't anything wrong with the KR ailerons. They work great at all speeds. Jim Faughn 891JF -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Ross Youngblood Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 12:56 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Re: KR Aileron control at low speeds? Has anyone looked at the SIZE of a KR aileron... I can't believe there are problems with aileron response at low speeds... the darn aileron is nearly the length of the entire wingspan! Besides at REAL low speeds, i.e. Slow flight near the stall... if a wing drops, you are supposed to use rudder instead of ailearon to prevent stalling a wing. Am I missing somthing... Of cousre I haven't FLOWN my KR yet... so I am totally unaware of my birds actual flight characteristics. -- http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze ___ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
KR>Re: KR Aileron control at low speeds?
Jim, The ailerons are fine ,just the rudder will not lift a wing. I am not sure if I can spin this bird and will not try. In all other respects she flies like my 150 did. Al
KR>KR Aileron control at low speeds?
>All, >My KR came as a built unit by Mark Edal. I have inspections dated 1994. He >stretched a KR2 to 16.5' + but kept the KR2 stab and rudder. I can't lift a >wing with rudder as it will increase the drop of the wing. Al. ++ This came up in a conversation I had with Willie Wilson from England. He stated that his KR will also drop a wing opposite to the rudder being used. He attributed it to the 3 degrees of wing washout. That was something I was going to test in my first few hours of flight (hopefully soon) and see if I get the same response. I'd be intrested to know if someone with a flying KR that has not built in the full 3 degrees of washout get the same response or not and how many KR flyers have noted this in their flying KR. I don't remember now if he said what speeds this happens at or if it was at all speeds. By the way, Willie also said he didn't tell the inspectors that his KR exibited this little trait as they might not be too happy with it so let's keep this among KR builders and flyers. After all, I don't think it has brought any KRs out of the air yet. Larry (still assembling and an occasional taxi test) Flesner Just 10 more sunrises till Mark and I head for Red Oak in either the Tripacer or the Oldsmobile!
KR>KR Aileron control at low speeds?
Larry Flesner wrote: > I'd be interested to know if someone with a flying KR > that has not built in the full 3 degrees of washout get the same > response or not and how many KR flyers have noted this in > their flying KR. Mines not flying YET, but I built in 2.25 degrees of washout. That would be a data point, except that since my plane is different from just about everybody else's, it's only a data point for ME. > Just 10 more sunrises till Mark and I head for Red Oak > in either the Tripacer or the Oldsmobile! Unless we choose the IFR fast lane and take the GTI! Folks, the Gathering is the ONE aviation event that I wouldn't miss every year. It's become more than just a chance to check out KRs. It's good old-fashioned camaraderie at it's best. It's the one time of year that I have absolutely no place else to be, and I enjoy the conversation, and the KRs are nice too. I spent the day doing odd jobs on the KR, most notably adding the counterweights to the nose of the ailerons. They consist of 3/4" 4130 tubing filled with molten lead (yielding 3.5 pounds), encased in shrink tubing, and permanently located in place with 2 part urethane foam. That job was way easier than I had anticipated. I just used a 3/4" spade bit with two 18" extensions to drill it out, then poured in the foam and dropped in the tube. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/03090110m.jpg if you don't know what I mean by aileron nose. I'll need to do a little carbon fiber "healing" next... See y'all at Red Oak Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
