KR>Grove or Diehl
Hello, my name is John Saunders. I am a long time reader, first time writer. Firstly, thanks to all who contribute. Without your wise words I would not have considered building the KR2S. Could someone please send me a picture & description of the brackets required to mount the Grove gear? I am also looking for a front & side pic of one of Todd's canopies. Has anyone incorporated a BRS chute into their KR? Cheers, John. Mark Langford wrote: > Either Grove or Diehl gear can be made trigear or taildragger, but you'd > need the Diehl nose gear in either case, since Grove doesn't make one that I > know of. You just mount the Grove (or Diehl) main gear either in front of > or behind the main spar to get the version you want. > > The attraction of the Grove gear is that you can install it without tearing > into the wing, just bolt some brackets to the spar and bolt on the gear with > about 4 bolts (through the floor, to the spar).
KR>Grove or Diehl
John, I have the Grove gear mounted on my KR2S as a tri-gear setup. You can check out my landing gear at these pages on my website. http://n323xl.iwarp.com/bllandinggear1.htm Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire JOHN SAUNDERS wrote: > > Hello, my name is John Saunders. I am a long time reader, first time writer. > Firstly, thanks to all who contribute. Without your wise words I would not > have > considered building the KR2S. Could someone please send me a picture & > description of the brackets required to mount the Grove gear? I am also > looking > for a front & side pic of one of Todd's canopies. Has anyone incorporated a > BRS > chute into their KR? > Cheers, > John. > > > ___ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
KR>Grove or Diehl
John, I will post a copy of the one sheet of instructions I received when I got my Grove gear and a couple of pictures of the mounting brackets on my web site. I posted a message on the net when I got them that if you are using new wing airfoil shapes (AS5048), you will need to install additional wood blocks between the spar caps since the bolt holes will not go thru the taller spar caps with the standard bracket Grove manufactures for the KR2. r/Bernie Lexington Park, MD KR2S Builder - Original Message - From: "JOHN SAUNDERS" <jsaunders...@ns.sympatico.ca> To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: Re: KR>Grove or Diehl > Hello, my name is John Saunders. I am a long time reader, first time writer. > Firstly, thanks to all who contribute. Without your wise words I would not have > considered building the KR2S. Could someone please send me a picture & > description of the brackets required to mount the Grove gear? I am also looking > for a front & side pic of one of Todd's canopies. Has anyone incorporated a BRS > chute into their KR? > Cheers, > John. > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > Either Grove or Diehl gear can be made trigear or taildragger, but you'd > > need the Diehl nose gear in either case, since Grove doesn't make one that I > > know of. You just mount the Grove (or Diehl) main gear either in front of > > or behind the main spar to get the version you want. > > > > The attraction of the Grove gear is that you can install it without tearing > > into the wing, just bolt some brackets to the spar and bolt on the gear with > > about 4 bolts (through the floor, to the spar). > > > ___ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >
KR>Grove or Diehl
John, Couple of problems..when I went to copy the Grove drawing of the bracket, there was a big "Proprietary Data" on the front of it and I can not copy without permission of Grove Aircraft. However, I have posted some pictures of the bracket on my web site (which I forgot to give on my last message). r/Bernie KR2S Builder Lexington Park, MD http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n2w6 - Original Message - From: "JOHN SAUNDERS" <jsaunders...@ns.sympatico.ca> To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: Re: KR>Grove or Diehl > Hello, my name is John Saunders. I am a long time reader, first time writer. > Firstly, thanks to all who contribute. Without your wise words I would not have > considered building the KR2S. Could someone please send me a picture & > description of the brackets required to mount the Grove gear? I am also looking > for a front & side pic of one of Todd's canopies. Has anyone incorporated a BRS > chute into their KR? > Cheers, > John. > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > Either Grove or Diehl gear can be made trigear or taildragger, but you'd > > need the Diehl nose gear in either case, since Grove doesn't make one that I > > know of. You just mount the Grove (or Diehl) main gear either in front of > > or behind the main spar to get the version you want. > > > > The attraction of the Grove gear is that you can install it without tearing > > into the wing, just bolt some brackets to the spar and bolt on the gear with > > about 4 bolts (through the floor, to the spar). > > > ___ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >
KR>Grove or Diehl
On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 07:14:31 -0500 "Mark Langford"wrote: >Grove gear for the KR is at >http://www.groveaircraft.com/kr2.html . It >looks like it's gone up to $770 recently, but it's still >the way I'd go if I >were doing it again. Mark, Why do you think you would use the grove over the Diehl gear? I'm thinking of going to tri Diehl. But I could use the extra $500.00 for other items. I'll need to check out in a tail dragger. Steven Phillabaum Auburn Al
KR>Grove or Diehl
Steven Phillabaum wrote: > Mark, Why do you think you would use the grove over the > Diehl gear? I'm thinking of going to tri Diehl. But I > could use the extra $500.00 for other items. Either Grove or Diehl gear can be made trigear or taildragger, but you'd need the Diehl nose gear in either case, since Grove doesn't make one that I know of. You just mount the Grove (or Diehl) main gear either in front of or behind the main spar to get the version you want. The attraction of the Grove gear is that you can install it without tearing into the wing, just bolt some brackets to the spar and bolt on the gear with about 4 bolts (through the floor, to the spar). If you bend it or break it, just bolt on another set, and you're done in no time. And alignment should be very close to start with. Not so with the Diehl gear, which depends on arbitrary "hail Mary" measurements made on the bench before they are even assembled to the plane. And the Grove gear can be bought gun-drilled for integral brake lines. And the biggie to me is that the Grove gear is taller, so slow, full-stall landings become an option. Dan Diehl is a great guy, and I feel bad about steering people away from his main gear. He's the guy that saved us from the stock retracts 30 years ago, and we owe him a lot for that. And I've been told that his Scotchply gear legs are an excellent material for landing gear legs. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
KR>Grove or Diehl
SNIP And alignment should >be very close to start with. Not so with the Diehl gear, which depends on >arbitrary "hail Mary" measurements made on the bench before they are even >assembled to the plane. SNIP And the biggie to me is that the Grove gear is >taller, so slow, full-stall landings become an option. SNIP >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL +++ The alignment issue on the Diehl gear is much less of an issue if the builder drills the four mounting holes in the lower bracket but only one hole in the lower end of the leg. Mount the gear leg and, with a single bolt holding the lower bracket in place, do your alignment measurements/adjustments on the airplane. Some additional height could probably be gained on the Diehl gear with "taller" lower end brackets as (I believe) Mark intends to do. The longer lower bracket will add some additional "twist" loads to the gear legs, especially on rougher fields, but I SUSPECT the gear should handle it o.k. Be advised, I'm NOT and engineer. Finally, if you decide to go the "Grove" route for the mains and a Diehl nose gear, make sure they are compatable in height so your three point attitude on the ground is correct. That will be YOUR responsibility, not the suppliers. Good luck. Larry Flesner
KR>Grove or Diehl
One other nice thing about the Grove gear is that you can get it custom made in both height and width and designed for your max gross weight. Go to www.groveaircraft.com ,order their catalog, fill out the form with your measurements and get a quote. They are great people to deal with. Mine is designed for 1200# gross weight, gun drilled and drilled for Tracey O'Brien axels. Gear with Tracy o'Brien axels, brakes, tires and wheels weighs a total of 49#. ED Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL ebloc...@earthlink.net - Original Message - From: "larry flesner" <fles...@midwest.net> To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: KR>Grove or Diehl > SNIP > And alignment should > >be very close to start with. Not so with the Diehl gear, which depends on > >arbitrary "hail Mary" measurements made on the bench before they are even > >assembled to the plane. > SNIP > And the biggie to me is that the Grove gear is > >taller, so slow, full-stall landings become an option. > SNIP > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > +++ > > The alignment issue on the Diehl gear is much less of an issue > if the builder drills the four mounting holes in the lower bracket > but only one hole in the lower end of the leg. Mount the gear > leg and, with a single bolt holding the lower bracket in place, > do your alignment measurements/adjustments on the airplane. > > Some additional height could probably be gained on the Diehl > gear with "taller" lower end brackets as (I believe) Mark intends > to do. The longer lower bracket will add some additional > "twist" loads to the gear legs, especially on rougher fields, > but I SUSPECT the gear should handle it o.k. Be advised, > I'm NOT and engineer. > > Finally, if you decide to go the "Grove" route for the mains > and a Diehl nose gear, make sure they are compatable in > height so your three point attitude on the ground is > correct. That will be YOUR responsibility, not the suppliers. > > Good luck. > > Larry Flesner > > > > ___ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html