KR>Grove or Diehl

[JOHN SAUNDERS]

Hello, my name is John Saunders. I am a long time reader, first time writer.
Firstly, thanks to all who contribute. Without your wise words I would not have
considered building the KR2S. Could someone please send me a picture &
description of the brackets required to mount the Grove gear? I am also looking
for a front & side pic of one of Todd's canopies. Has anyone incorporated a BRS
chute into their KR?
Cheers,
John.

Mark Langford wrote:

>  Either Grove or Diehl gear can be made trigear or taildragger, but you'd
> need the Diehl nose gear in either case, since Grove doesn't make one that I
> know of.  You just mount the Grove (or Diehl) main gear either in front of
> or behind the main spar to get the version you want.
>
> The attraction of the Grove gear is that you can install it without tearing
> into the wing, just bolt some brackets to the spar and bolt on the gear with
> about 4 bolts (through the floor, to the spar).

KR>Grove or Diehl

[David Mullins]

John,

I have the Grove gear mounted on my KR2S as a tri-gear setup. 
You can check out my landing gear at these pages on my website.

http://n323xl.iwarp.com/bllandinggear1.htm

Dave Mullins
Nashua, New Hampshire



JOHN SAUNDERS wrote:
> 
> Hello, my name is John Saunders. I am a long time reader, first time writer.
> Firstly, thanks to all who contribute. Without your wise words I would not 
> have
> considered building the KR2S. Could someone please send me a picture &
> description of the brackets required to mount the Grove gear? I am also 
> looking
> for a front & side pic of one of Todd's canopies. Has anyone incorporated a 
> BRS
> chute into their KR?
> Cheers,
> John.
> 
> 
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html

KR>Grove or Diehl

[B. Wunder]

John,
I will post a copy of the one sheet of instructions I received when I got my
Grove gear and a couple of pictures of the mounting brackets on my web site.
I posted a message on the net when I got them that if you are using new wing
airfoil shapes (AS5048), you will need to install additional wood blocks
between the spar caps since the bolt holes will not go thru the taller spar
caps with the standard bracket Grove manufactures for the KR2.
r/Bernie
Lexington Park, MD
KR2S Builder

- Original Message -
From: "JOHN SAUNDERS" <jsaunders...@ns.sympatico.ca>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Grove or Diehl


> Hello, my name is John Saunders. I am a long time reader, first time
writer.
> Firstly, thanks to all who contribute. Without your wise words I would not
have
> considered building the KR2S. Could someone please send me a picture &
> description of the brackets required to mount the Grove gear? I am also
looking
> for a front & side pic of one of Todd's canopies. Has anyone incorporated
a BRS
> chute into their KR?
> Cheers,
> John.
>
> Mark Langford wrote:
>
> >  Either Grove or Diehl gear can be made trigear or taildragger, but
you'd
> > need the Diehl nose gear in either case, since Grove doesn't make one
that I
> > know of.  You just mount the Grove (or Diehl) main gear either in front
of
> > or behind the main spar to get the version you want.
> >
> > The attraction of the Grove gear is that you can install it without
tearing
> > into the wing, just bolt some brackets to the spar and bolt on the gear
with
> > about 4 bolts (through the floor, to the spar).
>
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>

KR>Grove or Diehl

[B. Wunder]

John,
Couple of problems..when I went to copy the Grove drawing of the bracket,
there was a big "Proprietary Data" on the front of it and I can not copy
without permission of Grove Aircraft.  However, I have posted some pictures
of the bracket on my web site (which I forgot to give on my last message).
r/Bernie
KR2S Builder
Lexington Park, MD
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n2w6

- Original Message -
From: "JOHN SAUNDERS" <jsaunders...@ns.sympatico.ca>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Grove or Diehl


> Hello, my name is John Saunders. I am a long time reader, first time
writer.
> Firstly, thanks to all who contribute. Without your wise words I would not
have
> considered building the KR2S. Could someone please send me a picture &
> description of the brackets required to mount the Grove gear? I am also
looking
> for a front & side pic of one of Todd's canopies. Has anyone incorporated
a BRS
> chute into their KR?
> Cheers,
> John.
>
> Mark Langford wrote:
>
> >  Either Grove or Diehl gear can be made trigear or taildragger, but
you'd
> > need the Diehl nose gear in either case, since Grove doesn't make one
that I
> > know of.  You just mount the Grove (or Diehl) main gear either in front
of
> > or behind the main spar to get the version you want.
> >
> > The attraction of the Grove gear is that you can install it without
tearing
> > into the wing, just bolt some brackets to the spar and bolt on the gear
with
> > about 4 bolts (through the floor, to the spar).
>
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>

KR>Grove or Diehl

[skp...@charter.net]

On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 07:14:31 -0500
  "Mark Langford"  wrote:
>Grove gear for the KR is at 
>http://www.groveaircraft.com/kr2.html .  It
>looks like it's gone up to $770 recently, but it's still 
>the way I'd go if I
>were doing it again.  

Mark,  Why do you think you would use the grove over the 
Diehl gear?  I'm thinking of going to tri Diehl.  But I 
could use the extra $500.00 for other items.  I'll need to 
check out in a tail dragger. 

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn Al 

KR>Grove or Diehl

[Mark Langford]

 Steven Phillabaum wrote:

> Mark,  Why do you think you would use the grove over the
> Diehl gear? I'm thinking of going to tri Diehl.  But I
> could use the extra $500.00 for other items.

Either Grove or Diehl gear can be made trigear or taildragger, but you'd
need the Diehl nose gear in either case, since Grove doesn't make one that I
know of.  You just mount the Grove (or Diehl) main gear either in front of
or behind the main spar to get the version you want.

The attraction of the Grove gear is that you can install it without tearing
into the wing, just bolt some brackets to the spar and bolt on the gear with
about 4 bolts (through the floor, to the spar).  If you bend it or break it,
just bolt on another set, and you're done in no time.  And alignment should
be very close to start with.  Not so with the Diehl gear, which depends on
arbitrary "hail Mary" measurements made on the bench before they are even
assembled to the plane. And the Grove gear can be bought gun-drilled for
integral brake lines.  And the biggie to me is that the Grove gear is
taller, so slow, full-stall landings become an option.

Dan Diehl is a great guy, and I feel bad about steering people away from his
main gear.  He's the guy that saved us from the stock retracts 30 years ago,
and we owe him a lot for that.  And I've been told that his Scotchply gear
legs are an excellent material for landing gear legs.

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
N56ML "at"  hiwaay.net
see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford

KR>Grove or Diehl

[larry flesner]

SNIP 
 And alignment should
>be very close to start with.  Not so with the Diehl gear, which depends on
>arbitrary "hail Mary" measurements made on the bench before they are even
>assembled to the plane.
SNIP
  And the biggie to me is that the Grove gear is
>taller, so slow, full-stall landings become an option.
SNIP
>Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
+++

The alignment issue on the Diehl gear is much less of an issue
if the builder drills the four mounting holes in the lower bracket
but only one hole in the lower end of the leg.  Mount the gear
leg and, with a single bolt holding the lower bracket in place,
do your alignment measurements/adjustments on the airplane.

Some additional height could probably be gained on the Diehl
gear with "taller" lower end brackets as (I believe) Mark intends
to do.  The longer lower bracket will add some additional
"twist" loads to the gear legs, especially on rougher fields, 
but I SUSPECT the gear should handle it o.k.  Be advised, 
I'm NOT and engineer.

Finally, if you decide to go the "Grove" route for the mains
and a Diehl nose gear, make sure they are compatable in
height so your three point attitude on the ground is 
correct.  That will be YOUR responsibility, not the suppliers.

Good luck.

Larry Flesner

KR>Grove or Diehl

[Edwin Blocher]

One other nice thing about the Grove gear is that you can get it custom made
in both height and width and designed for your max gross weight. Go to
www.groveaircraft.com ,order their catalog, fill out the form with your
measurements and get a quote. They are great people to deal with. Mine is
designed for 1200# gross weight,  gun drilled  and drilled for Tracey
O'Brien axels. Gear with Tracy o'Brien axels, brakes, tires and wheels
weighs a total of 49#.
ED
Ed Blocher
Santa Rosa Beach, FL
ebloc...@earthlink.net
- Original Message -
From: "larry flesner" <fles...@midwest.net>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:56 AM
Subject: KR>Grove or Diehl


> SNIP
>  And alignment should
> >be very close to start with.  Not so with the Diehl gear, which depends
on
> >arbitrary "hail Mary" measurements made on the bench before they are even
> >assembled to the plane.
> SNIP
>   And the biggie to me is that the Grove gear is
> >taller, so slow, full-stall landings become an option.
> SNIP
> >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> +++
>
> The alignment issue on the Diehl gear is much less of an issue
> if the builder drills the four mounting holes in the lower bracket
> but only one hole in the lower end of the leg.  Mount the gear
> leg and, with a single bolt holding the lower bracket in place,
> do your alignment measurements/adjustments on the airplane.
>
> Some additional height could probably be gained on the Diehl
> gear with "taller" lower end brackets as (I believe) Mark intends
> to do.  The longer lower bracket will add some additional
> "twist" loads to the gear legs, especially on rougher fields,
> but I SUSPECT the gear should handle it o.k.  Be advised,
> I'm NOT and engineer.
>
> Finally, if you decide to go the "Grove" route for the mains
> and a Diehl nose gear, make sure they are compatable in
> height so your three point attitude on the ground is
> correct.  That will be YOUR responsibility, not the suppliers.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html