KR>change of operating limitations

[Brian Kraut]

I have added lights to my KR.  Does anyone know what the correct procedure is 
to change my operating limitations from VFR day to VFR night?  Is this 
something I can do myself or do I have to contact the FSDO to get this changed, 
and if so, do they come and do an inspection?

KR>change of operating limitations

[Ed Janssen]

Brian,

For a number of reasons, many KR pilots have voiced their opinions against
flying at night in a KR.  You may want to rethink the idea.  A search of the
archives will probably give you some reasons, but maybe someone with direct
experience will restate their comments.

Ed Janssen
mailto:ejans...@chipsnet.com


- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Kraut" <eng...@earthlink.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:14 AM
Subject: KR>change of operating limitations


> I have added lights to my KR.  Does anyone know what the correct procedure
is to change my operating limitations from VFR day to VFR night?  Is this
something I can do myself or do I have to contact the FSDO to get this
changed, and if so, do they come and do an inspection?
>
> ___
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>

KR>change of operating limitations

[larry flesner]

>Brian,

As for flying your KR at night, that will be directly related to 
your confidence level in your KR and to your piloting ability.
At one of the Gatherings in Kentucky, some guy and his
girlfriend flew in from Florida at 3:00am in the morning.  I had
a motel room across the road from the airport and couldn't
sleep when I heard what sounded like a VW speeding by
on the highway.  I thought to myself, "Bugs" don't run that
fast on the highway so I stepped outside to look and saw
the KR circling to land.

As to getting your restriction lifted, see what you operating
limitations state.  If you are limited to "day only" unless
equiped with proper lighting, or however it's stated, then you
may be able to make a log entry stating that the proper 
lighting for "night VFR" was installed and that may lift the
restriction.  One of the FAA offices could give you the
OFFICAL answer.

Larry Flesner

KR>change of operating limitations

[aviationm...@aol.com]

In a message dated 9/9/2003 8:15:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
eng...@earthlink.net writes:

> I have added lights to my KR.

If you are the builder and got a Repairmans license from the FAA, you have 
the right to modify the aircraft and all you have to do is add appropriate 
lighting per the FAR and send to the local FAA Flight Standards District Office 
a 
FAA form 337 detailing the work that was accomplished along with the proper 
references.  If you are not the builder or did not get the repairmans license, 
then you must have an A mechanic that holds an Inspection Authorization to do 
the work and submit the papers.
Orma
aka AviationMech
AP/IA
N13116 1984 to 2003
19 years in a KR.

KR>change of operating limitations

[jsmon...@aol.com]

You bring up an interesting point!

So if you upgraded your plane to a minimum IFR requirements,  and have an FAA 
Repairmans certificate, can you sign it off for IFR also???

Thanks,
John Monday
Laguna Beach, CA

KR>change of operating limitations

[aviationm...@aol.com]

In a message dated 9/9/2003 8:10:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jsmon...@aol.com writes:

> can you sign it off for IFR also???

You can only sign off the items authorized by your authority(license).  To 
equip a plane for IFR means to install specific equipment and have completed 
specific certifications on the radio's, pitot static, and other systems.  Some 
of 
which require different types of authority.  For example an airframe mechanic 
can install a radio.  However, he can not certify that it is within it's 
designed operating limits.  He can operate it, test it, but not work on it.  
For 
example an airframe mechanic can perform a static test, but he can't certify 
static instruments such as an altimeter
Orma AKA AviationMech
KR2 N110LR
1984 to Present
www.members.aol.com/aviationmech
also see me at 
www.aviation-mechanics.com

KR>change of operating limitations-now IFR

[Dana Overall]

>From: aviationm...@aol.com
>
> > can you sign it off for IFR also???
>
>You can only sign off the items authorized by your authority(license).  To
>equip a plane for IFR means to install specific equipment and have 
>completed
>specific certifications on the radio's, pitot static, and other systems.  
>Some of
>which require different types of authority.

This thread comes up all the time on the RVlist.  While the above is true in 
text, let me expound a little on the issue.  If you are the builder, and 
hold the repairmans certificate, you can install approved and current IFR 
instrumentation appropriate for ground facilities to be used.  If you don't 
hold the certificate, you gotta go with ticket holders.  You must still have 
the pitot/static and transponder checks by an approved facility.   The 
actual "certification" of the operation of the installed equipment is done 
by you.  This is achieved by taking the aircraft up and intercepting and 
tracking to show the unit performs as required.  You then make the notation 
in the log.  At the initial inspection, the designee will not authorize you 
for IFR operations as he is not the builder and installer of the equipment 
and has not performed the flight tests required to check the accuracy or 
operation of the IFR equipment.  Up to this point your aircraft has not 
flown so flight tests would not have available to certify the operation of 
the unit.  After performing these tests, you will be authorized to operated 
in IFR conditions being restricted to the ground facilities appropriate for 
the equipment installed.

As I have stated many, many times, I fly IFR in my Bonanza.  I will fly IFR 
in my RV.  I would not fly IFR in a KR.



Dana Overall
1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
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KR>change of operating limitations

[Brian Kraut]

I fly Cherokees and 152s at night and I really can't see what the 
difference is in a KR.  I may find out different when I try it, but I 
think it is worth it just to not be illegal if I get delayed a little 
one day and can't land before the sun goes down.

Ed Janssen wrote:

>Brian,
>
>For a number of reasons, many KR pilots have voiced their opinions against
>flying at night in a KR.  You may want to rethink the idea.  A search of the
>archives will probably give you some reasons, but maybe someone with direct
>experience will restate their comments.
>
>Ed Janssen
>mailto:ejans...@chipsnet.com
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Brian Kraut" <eng...@earthlink.net>
>To: <kr...@mylist.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:14 AM
>Subject: KR>change of operating limitations
>
>
>>I have added lights to my KR.  Does anyone know what the correct procedure
>>
>is to change my operating limitations from VFR day to VFR night?  Is this
>something I can do myself or do I have to contact the FSDO to get this
>changed, and if so, do they come and do an inspection?
>
>>___
>>see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>>
>
>
>
>___
>see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>

KR>change of operating limitations

[Brian Kraut]

I plan on calling the FSDO and getting the official response.  I will 
post my findings.

larry flesner wrote:

>
>>Brian,
>>
>
>As for flying your KR at night, that will be directly related to 
>your confidence level in your KR and to your piloting ability.
>At one of the Gatherings in Kentucky, some guy and his
>girlfriend flew in from Florida at 3:00am in the morning.  I had
>a motel room across the road from the airport and couldn't
>sleep when I heard what sounded like a VW speeding by
>on the highway.  I thought to myself, "Bugs" don't run that
>fast on the highway so I stepped outside to look and saw
>the KR circling to land.
>
>As to getting your restriction lifted, see what you operating
>limitations state.  If you are limited to "day only" unless
>equiped with proper lighting, or however it's stated, then you
>may be able to make a log entry stating that the proper 
>lighting for "night VFR" was installed and that may lift the
>restriction.  One of the FAA offices could give you the
>OFFICAL answer.
>
>Larry Flesner
>
>
>
>___
>see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>

KR>change of operating limitations

[Brian Kraut]

Definitely not.  The only thing the repairmans certificate entitles you 
to is the condition inspection.

jsmon...@aol.com wrote:

>You bring up an interesting point!
>
>So if you upgraded your plane to a minimum IFR requirements,  and have an FAA 
>Repairmans certificate, can you sign it off for IFR also???
>
>Thanks,
>John Monday
>Laguna Beach, CA
>___
>see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>

KR>change of operating limitations

[Dana Overall]

>From: Brian Kraut 
>Definitely not.  The only thing the repairmans certificate entitles you to 
>is the condition inspection.
>
>jsmon...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>You bring up an interesting point!
>>
>>So if you upgraded your plane to a minimum IFR requirements,  and have an 
>>FAA Repairmans certificate, can you sign it off for IFR also???


Sorry Brian, but if you follow the rules I listed in a previous post you can 
install the equipment, have the required systems checked by an authorized 
shop and perform the required testing yourself to legally convert your 
aircraft for IFR operations.

The repairman's cert. allows the holder to perform routine main, install new 
avionics, wiring you name it as long as it is not a major modification, 
which he can do, at which time that major mod. must be reinspected.  The 
only time an A/AI comes into the picture is if, for example, you have a 
certified engine that you want to remain certified, it must get the signoff 
and have any work supervised or performed by the ticket holder, not the 
repairmain holder.  Before anyone say it:-), no, the install of a certified 
engine in an experimental airplane does not automatically de-certify the 
engine.

Man, I wish I were going to the gathering:-(

Dana Overall
1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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