Re: Fwd [ubuntu-release] Re: LTS status for Ubuntu flavours]
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 16:22:53 Rohan Garg wrote: > On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:09 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Saturday, February 22, 2014 18:03:52 Phil Wyett wrote: > >> On Saturday 22 Feb 2014 11:48:13 Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> > On Saturday, February 22, 2014 12:08:35 Rohan Garg wrote: > >> > > > I think you are misreading that. It specifically talks about users > >> > > > >> > > potentially > >> > > > >> > > > needing to upgrade only every 4 years. > >> > > > >> > > Unless my eyes are deceiving me, the last line specifically talks > >> > > about > >> > > upgrading twice every 4 years, which equates to a support lifetime of > >> > > 2 > >> > > years? > >> > > >> > OK. In any case, I still have 5 year LTS. In addition to the reasons > >> > I > >> > mentioned previously, I don't want to accept Kubuntu being second class > >> > citizen in the Ubuntu project in any way I don't have to. > >> > > >> > I think 5 years is working out for 12.04 (so far) and I don't think we > >> > should change. > >> > > >> > Scott K > > Alright, after discussing this on IRC, a 5 year LTS should be doable. > However, IMHO we MUST transparently convey what a LTS means for > Kubuntu. Specifically, we should have a page outlining what support > means for Kubuntu specifically ( software is supported only when KDE > upstream supports it, there is absolutely NO support for software that > KDE deems unsupported ). No. We need to provide security support for sure and support for other severe issues on a best effort basis. We shouldn't over promise, but security we have to do. Scott K -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Fwd [ubuntu-release] Re: LTS status for Ubuntu flavours]
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:09 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Saturday, February 22, 2014 18:03:52 Phil Wyett wrote: >> On Saturday 22 Feb 2014 11:48:13 Scott Kitterman wrote: >> > On Saturday, February 22, 2014 12:08:35 Rohan Garg wrote: >> > > > I think you are misreading that. It specifically talks about users >> > > >> > > potentially >> > > >> > > > needing to upgrade only every 4 years. >> > > >> > > Unless my eyes are deceiving me, the last line specifically talks about >> > > upgrading twice every 4 years, which equates to a support lifetime of 2 >> > > years? >> > >> > OK. In any case, I still have 5 year LTS. In addition to the reasons I >> > mentioned previously, I don't want to accept Kubuntu being second class >> > citizen in the Ubuntu project in any way I don't have to. >> > >> > I think 5 years is working out for 12.04 (so far) and I don't think we >> > should change. >> > >> > Scott K Alright, after discussing this on IRC, a 5 year LTS should be doable. However, IMHO we MUST transparently convey what a LTS means for Kubuntu. Specifically, we should have a page outlining what support means for Kubuntu specifically ( software is supported only when KDE upstream supports it, there is absolutely NO support for software that KDE deems unsupported ). Cheers Rohan Garg -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Fwd [ubuntu-release] Re: LTS status for Ubuntu flavours]
On Saturday, February 22, 2014 18:03:52 Phil Wyett wrote: > On Saturday 22 Feb 2014 11:48:13 Scott Kitterman wrote: > > On Saturday, February 22, 2014 12:08:35 Rohan Garg wrote: > > > > I think you are misreading that. It specifically talks about users > > > > > > potentially > > > > > > > needing to upgrade only every 4 years. > > > > > > Unless my eyes are deceiving me, the last line specifically talks about > > > upgrading twice every 4 years, which equates to a support lifetime of 2 > > > years? > > > > OK. In any case, I still have 5 year LTS. In addition to the reasons I > > mentioned previously, I don't want to accept Kubuntu being second class > > citizen in the Ubuntu project in any way I don't have to. > > > > I think 5 years is working out for 12.04 (so far) and I don't think we > > should change. > > > > Scott K > > Hi all, > > I would also like to see the LTS maintain the 5 years. Would the 14.04 LTS > also follow the same ethos as 12.04 and stick with the original stack > (kernel, xorg ...) and not update it as Ubuntu does at point release? I think it needs to be updated on the install media to install on newer hardware, but existing installs aren't affected. Scott K -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Fwd [ubuntu-release] Re: LTS status for Ubuntu flavours]
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Harald Sitter wrote: > On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Rohan Garg wrote: >> >>> I think you are misreading that. It specifically talks about users >>> potentially >>> needing to upgrade only every 4 years. >>> >> >> Unless my eyes are deceiving me, the last line specifically talks about >> upgrading twice every 4 years, which equates to a support lifetime of 2 >> years? > > That has nothing to do with support (aka anyone can upload updates and > security fixes are backported whenever applicable, and occasionally > new ISOs are rolled), but specifically is about supported upgrade > paths. > > LTS -> LTS -> LTS supported > LTS -> -> LTS not supported (i.e. skipping one LTS when upgrading). > > so you can run 13.04 until 2018, but you cannot update to 17.04 > without going through 15.04. Which is the standing practise. eh, 14.04/16.04/18.04 respectively ;) -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Fwd [ubuntu-release] Re: LTS status for Ubuntu flavours]
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Rohan Garg wrote: > >> I think you are misreading that. It specifically talks about users >> potentially >> needing to upgrade only every 4 years. >> > > Unless my eyes are deceiving me, the last line specifically talks about > upgrading twice every 4 years, which equates to a support lifetime of 2 > years? That has nothing to do with support (aka anyone can upload updates and security fixes are backported whenever applicable, and occasionally new ISOs are rolled), but specifically is about supported upgrade paths. LTS -> LTS -> LTS supported LTS -> -> LTS not supported (i.e. skipping one LTS when upgrading). so you can run 13.04 until 2018, but you cannot update to 17.04 without going through 15.04. Which is the standing practise. HS -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Fwd [ubuntu-release] Re: LTS status for Ubuntu flavours]
On Saturday 22 Feb 2014 11:48:13 Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Saturday, February 22, 2014 12:08:35 Rohan Garg wrote: > > > I think you are misreading that. It specifically talks about users > > > > potentially > > > > > needing to upgrade only every 4 years. > > > > Unless my eyes are deceiving me, the last line specifically talks about > > upgrading twice every 4 years, which equates to a support lifetime of 2 > > years? > > OK. In any case, I still have 5 year LTS. In addition to the reasons I > mentioned previously, I don't want to accept Kubuntu being second class > citizen in the Ubuntu project in any way I don't have to. > > I think 5 years is working out for 12.04 (so far) and I don't think we > should change. > > Scott K Hi all, I would also like to see the LTS maintain the 5 years. Would the 14.04 LTS also follow the same ethos as 12.04 and stick with the original stack (kernel, xorg ...) and not update it as Ubuntu does at point release? Regards Phil Wyett signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Fwd [ubuntu-release] Re: LTS status for Ubuntu flavours]
On Saturday, February 22, 2014 12:08:35 Rohan Garg wrote: > > I think you are misreading that. It specifically talks about users > > potentially > > > needing to upgrade only every 4 years. > > Unless my eyes are deceiving me, the last line specifically talks about > upgrading twice every 4 years, which equates to a support lifetime of 2 > years? OK. In any case, I still have 5 year LTS. In addition to the reasons I mentioned previously, I don't want to accept Kubuntu being second class citizen in the Ubuntu project in any way I don't have to. I think 5 years is working out for 12.04 (so far) and I don't think we should change. Scott K -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Fwd [ubuntu-release] Re: LTS status for Ubuntu flavours]
> I think you are misreading that. It specifically talks about users potentially > needing to upgrade only every 4 years. > Unless my eyes are deceiving me, the last line specifically talks about upgrading twice every 4 years, which equates to a support lifetime of 2 years? Cheers Rohan Garg -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Fwd [ubuntu-release] Re: LTS status for Ubuntu flavours]
On Friday, February 21, 2014 20:25:07 Rohan Garg wrote: > On Friday 21 February 2014 18:43:32 Jonathan Riddell wrote: > > Time to commit to LTS. 5 years? > > > > Jonathan > > > > - Forwarded message from Stéphane Graber - > > > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:50:33 -0500 > > From: Stéphane Graber > > To: technical-bo...@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com > > Sender: ubuntu-release-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com > > Subject: [ubuntu-release] Re: LTS status for Ubuntu flavours > > > > Apparently I can't type... fixing the address of the release mailing-list. > > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:43:01AM -0500, Stéphane Graber wrote: > > > Hey everyone, > > > > > > First of all, sorry for getting to this so late, there has been a bit of > > > rotation in the TB since last time we went through this and I think > > > everyone forgot about that rather important part of a LTS cycle! > > > > > > So for Ubuntu 12.04, the following flavours had LTS status: > > > - Edubuntu - 5 years > > > - Kubuntu - 5 years > > > - Xubuntu - 3 years > > > > > > While not on the original list, Mythbuntu has also been participating in > > > all point releases so far and shortly after the 12.04 release switched > > > to being LTS-only. > > > > > > > > > As I said in another thread on the TB mailing-list, I don't think we > > > need to go through all the paperwork and meetings we did last time as I > > > believe all of those flavours showed they're capable of dealing with the > > > load of an LTS release. > > > > > > So flavour leads of Edubuntu, Kubuntu, Mythbuntu and Xubuntu, can you > > > > > > please let me know by replying to this e-mail: > > > - Whether you want LTS status this time around? > > > - How long will you be supporting the source packages which aren't > > > > > >shared with Ubuntu itself? > > > > > > If any other flavour is interested in LTS status for 14.04, please > > > prepare a wiki page similar to this one: > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/12.04/LTS-Proposal > > > > > > And get in touch with the Technical Board (separate thread please) so we > > > can review it and let you know our decision as soon as possible. > > Supporting a LTS for 5 years directly contradicts what we've decided earlier > about LTS releases here [1] and should be reduced to 2 years for Kubuntu. > > Cheers > Rohan Garg > > [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Policies#Misc_.28.28NEW.29.29 I think you are misreading that. It specifically talks about users potentially needing to upgrade only every 4 years. I'm in favor of 5 years myself. That means that with a standard hardware life of three years, hardware could live through even an extended warranty period without having to be upgraded. That's great for OEMs. There are companies that sell Kubuntu pre-installed and I'd like to make that easy. Scott K -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
Re: Fwd [ubuntu-release] Re: LTS status for Ubuntu flavours]
On Friday 21 February 2014 18:43:32 Jonathan Riddell wrote: > Time to commit to LTS. 5 years? > > Jonathan > > - Forwarded message from Stéphane Graber - > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:50:33 -0500 > From: Stéphane Graber > To: technical-bo...@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com > Sender: ubuntu-release-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: [ubuntu-release] Re: LTS status for Ubuntu flavours > > Apparently I can't type... fixing the address of the release mailing-list. > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:43:01AM -0500, Stéphane Graber wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > > > First of all, sorry for getting to this so late, there has been a bit of > > rotation in the TB since last time we went through this and I think > > everyone forgot about that rather important part of a LTS cycle! > > > > So for Ubuntu 12.04, the following flavours had LTS status: > > - Edubuntu - 5 years > > - Kubuntu - 5 years > > - Xubuntu - 3 years > > > > While not on the original list, Mythbuntu has also been participating in > > all point releases so far and shortly after the 12.04 release switched > > to being LTS-only. > > > > > > As I said in another thread on the TB mailing-list, I don't think we > > need to go through all the paperwork and meetings we did last time as I > > believe all of those flavours showed they're capable of dealing with the > > load of an LTS release. > > > > So flavour leads of Edubuntu, Kubuntu, Mythbuntu and Xubuntu, can you > > > > please let me know by replying to this e-mail: > > - Whether you want LTS status this time around? > > - How long will you be supporting the source packages which aren't > > > >shared with Ubuntu itself? > > > > If any other flavour is interested in LTS status for 14.04, please > > prepare a wiki page similar to this one: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/12.04/LTS-Proposal > > > > And get in touch with the Technical Board (separate thread please) so we > > can review it and let you know our decision as soon as possible. Supporting a LTS for 5 years directly contradicts what we've decided earlier about LTS releases here [1] and should be reduced to 2 years for Kubuntu. Cheers Rohan Garg [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Policies#Misc_.28.28NEW.29.29 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
