Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?
Hi all, Le 12/10/2014 22:09, Mihovil Stanic a écrit : I'm not sure what info from update pings is Mozilla collecting, but I don't see any private informations there. Country of origin, current version and UI/keyboard locale doesn't seam like private info to me. I'm guessing weekly update pings in LibreOffice are already sending version info now, and with IP from which ping is comming you can know from which country it's coming. Only thing missing is locale info. Anyway, users can always disable automatic update check which will disable all this. You should ask on the private marketing list, I know the marketing team is following download stats, but I'm not sure they do that per language. Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org Tel:+33683901545 Co-founder - Release coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?
I think they are using RedMine now which requires one more unused account... Next suggestion, implement one account for all TDF/LO services. :) Best regards, Mihovil 13.10.2014 u 8:43, Sophie je napisao/la: Hi all, Le 12/10/2014 22:09, Mihovil Stanic a écrit : I'm not sure what info from update pings is Mozilla collecting, but I don't see any private informations there. Country of origin, current version and UI/keyboard locale doesn't seam like private info to me. I'm guessing weekly update pings in LibreOffice are already sending version info now, and with IP from which ping is comming you can know from which country it's coming. Only thing missing is locale info. Anyway, users can always disable automatic update check which will disable all this. You should ask on the private marketing list, I know the marketing team is following download stats, but I'm not sure they do that per language. Cheers Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?
I'm thinking we should file a feature request bug and see what happens? Michael 13/10/2014 07:43, sgrìobh Sophie: You should ask on the private marketing list, I know the marketing team is following download stats, but I'm not sure they do that per language. Cheers Sophie -- *Akerbeltz http://www.faclair.com/* Goireasan Gàidhlig air an lìon Fòn: +44-141-946 4437 Facs: +44-141-945 2701 *Tha Gàidhlig aig a' choimpiutair agad, siuthad, feuch e!* Iomadh rud eadar prògraman oifis, brabhsairean, predictive texting, geamannan is mòran a bharrachd. Tadhail oirnn aig www.iGàidhlig.net http://www.iGaidhlig.net/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?
Hi *, On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Mihovil Stanic libreoff...@miho.im wrote: Is there some way to see number of users using your locale? Nope, at least not yet/not for historic data. What kind of data do you get from automatic update pings? As windows build includes all languages, and windows users are by magnitude the biggest part of users (and most linux users very likely use their distro's version), there's no way to distinguish between what languages are actually used. info in an update ping is the based on the UpdateUserAgent string that's taken from versionrc/version.ini and looks like this for example: LibreOffice 4.1.0.4 → Version used (human readable) (89ea49ddacd9aa532507cbf852f2bb22b1ace28; → the commit hash the build was based on Windows; x86; → OS and architecture/variant BundledLanguages=en-US af am ar as ast be bg bn bn-IN bo br brx bs ca ca-XV cs cy da de dgo dz el en-GB en-ZA eo es et eu fa fi fr ga gd gl gu he hi hr hu id is it ja ka kk km kn ko kok ks ku lb lo lt lv mai mk ml mn mni mr my nb ne nl nn nr nso oc om or pa-IN pl pt pt-BR ro ru rw sa-IN sat sd sh si sid sk sl sq sr ss st sv sw-TZ ta te tg th tn tr ts tt ug uk uz ve vi xh zh-CN zh-TW zu) → List of languages, in the case of Windows build → all (doesn't distinguish between actually installed languages/languages in the installer) The BundledLanguages parameter is actually pretty useless in this regard. However the request is also sent with a HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE header that corresponds to the UI-language, but that's not logged anywhere, so cannot create data from that right now (would be possible to add in future though) http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/extensions/source/update/feed/updatefeed.cxx#359 The only approximation we have in regards to what languages are used are the download numbers for the helppacks on windows and/or the languagepacks on Mac/Linux - but helppacks are often not downloaded at all (either because not available for a language, or because people just use wikihelp instead), and Mac/Linux has too few market share compared to windows to be a trustworthy indicator. So only part we can do is to use geolocation of the requesting IP to see where in the world LO is used (and has update-check enabled) - but not in what language the UI is used. So using the update-check pings, we could evaluate the Accept-language header to create ratios (but of course no absolute numbers, as there are no unique IDs and one client pings multiple times, and the poll-ratio also is configurable) that probably would satisfy the request. i.e. it would be possible to create in future reports for * geolocation * UI-locale from request-header but not * list of actually installed locales for that the BundledLanguages parameter would need to change or additional one would have to be introduced. ciao Christian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of locale users?
Hi Christian, If I understood you correctly, you already have all data, you just didn't setup infrastructure to collect them (IP geolocation and UI locale from header). When/If you ever decide to collect that data, I don't think real user number can diviate much from that. Default setup are weekly pings. My guess is that very few people change that, it cannot be more then 1-2%. If you calculate your data on weekly (monday to sunday) basis, after few months of collecting data, you should know inside few % of statistical error what is your user count. Only big difference in numbers can be with large deployments behind firewall (government?), which will block all ping update requests. Anyway, do I need to suggest this somewhere or open an bug? Best regards, Mihovil 13.10.2014 u 14:34, Christian Lohmaier je napisao/la: Hi *, ... i.e. it would be possible to create in future reports for * geolocation * UI-locale from request-header but not * list of actually installed locales for that the BundledLanguages parameter would need to change or additional one would have to be introduced. ciao Christian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
