[libreoffice-l10n] making a new topic on the documentation forum

[kees538]

All

I can not make a new topic on the documentation forum 
(https://community.documentfoundation.org/c/documentation/12)

Can you please grand me for making a new topic.
My username is kees538

Thanks in advanse,
Kees

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[libreoffice-l10n] blocked items on Weblate

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A couple of days ago some items where added to the UI-master and the 
Help-master on Weblate.

However they are still blocked for translation.
When will they be released for translation?

Kind regards,
Kees

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Tips on translating in Weblate

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Lars Jødal schreef op 12.05.2024 16:24:

Hello

As a relatively new user of Weblate, I want to say thank you for the 
reception in the project by sharing some ideas and tips I have gathered 
by now (partly from Sophie, partly from my own experiences).


"Zen mode" gives a view that focuses on the current list of 
translations, while some extra information is not shown. It can give a 
better overview, but does not show the information used in the tips 
below.


At the right side of the screen is a Glossary window. The glossary list 
is a list of English words/phrases along with translations in the 
language worked upon. When you work on a string to translate, the 
Glossary window will show words/phrases from the string found in the 
glossary list, along with the translations from the list. This can help 
to be consistent in translation. New glossaries can be added with "Add 
term to glossary" (the term will be the current string, but can be 
edited before saving).


Below the Glossary window is a String information window. In this 
window you can find a link "Source string location". The link opens a 
new window that shows the source code where the string appears. This 
can help give the context of the string.


Under the current string, the button "Other languages" will display a 
list of how the string is translated in other supported languages. If 
you (to some extend) understand one or more of the other languages, it 
may give you inspiration for translation to your own language. This can 
be especially helpful if a language close to your own is farther in 
translation than your own language.


You can also add a secondary language to your profile, so it is 
permanently visible above the English item. Go to the Profile button on 
the upper right of the screen and choose Settings. On the Language tab 
search for Secondary languages. There you can choose a language to add 
to your screen.


Regards,
Kees


These ideas have been helpful for me. Perhaps they can be helpful for 
others, too.


Regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Abbreviation for Drag 'n Drop

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In Dutch it would be "Slepen en neerzetten" but the abbriviation SnN 
also would not be understood.


Regards,
Kees

Heiko Tietze schreef op 08.01.2024 09:34:
Some effort is currently made by Jim to allow drag'n drop from the 
Navigator not just as link but also to get cross-references into the 
document. Users can trigger the function via pup-up menu or per 
accelerator. And to give a clue about the latter we should add some 
text to the menu, which could be "Insert as Text Reference (DnD+Shift)" 
(for the full list of commands see attachment to 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36310#c21).


Now I wonder if DnD for Drag'n Drop is well-known and easy to 
translate. German could be "Ziehen & Ablegen" abbreviated to "Z" - 
which users would never understand. Any idea?

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] android-app is also blocked for translation

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Cor Nouws schreef op 25.12.2023 09:48:

Hi Kees,

kees...@libreoffice.org wrote on 25/12/2023 08:22:

However, looking at the android repo, I see e.g. (2, 3) and the fact 
that others are translating too for the Android-Viewer, maybe there 
is a misunderstanding. Kees could it be that you try the wrong repo? 
Or maybe it needs to be checked for Dutch?


I don't know anything about repo's. I have one Weblate, where I 
translate UI, Help and so on. There I also see the other items and 
they are locked.


AH, if you look at Weblate, you see projects. There is a project 
Android-Viewer. I think you should be able to translate that, just as 
the others. If that doesn't work for you, it needs to be find out why 
;)


Hi Cor

Yes I can translate Android viewer.

Happy Christmas to you too
Kees


Android-Viewer is separate from LibreOffice online that is in attic 
state.


Happy Christmas :)

Cor


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] android-app is also blocked for translation

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Cor Nouws schreef op 24.12.2023 15:59:

Hi Sophie, Kees,

sophi wrote on 23/12/2023 15:43:

Le 23/12/2023 à 10:23, kees...@libreoffice.org a écrit :

Also for android-lib, loleaflet-help and loleaflet-ui



kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 23.12.2023 10:17:

In Weblate android-app is also blocked for translation.
Can it be enabled?


They can't be enabled because it corresponds to LibreOffice online, 
which by decision of the Board of Directors, had its development and 
translations frozen.

See the decision here:
https://community.documentfoundation.org/t/vote-libreoffice-online-repository-and-translations/8893/15?u=sophi


I think that is not a correct explanation of the situation, Sophie 
(although I can imagine that various posts in that topic you mention, 
give such an impression, unfortunately). The work on the repository 
itself was frozen, due to lack of interest, the ESC and the board 
confirmed that, according to the attic policy(1).


If it would be true that these strings cannot be translated, it should 
of course be fixed.


However, looking at the android repo, I see e.g. (2, 3) and the fact 
that others are translating too for the Android-Viewer, maybe there is 
a misunderstanding. Kees could it be that you try the wrong repo? Or 
maybe it needs to be checked for Dutch?


I don't know anything about repo's. I have one Weblate, where I 
translate UI, Help and so on. There I also see the other items and they 
are locked.


Cheers,
Kees


Cheers,
Cor

1) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Policies/Attic
2) 
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/android/source?id=78e72be805e9b41617d752e0da8c04b7bf5dd269
3) 
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/android/source?id=5e3a3671596ea4f8aaecd8e1b428bcc63a627e2d


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] android-app is also blocked for translation

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Also for android-lib, loleaflet-help and loleaflet-ui

kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 23.12.2023 10:17:

All

In Weblate android-app is also blocked for translation.
Can it be enabled?

Cheers, Kees


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[libreoffice-l10n] android-app is also blocked for translation

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All

In Weblate android-app is also blocked for translation.
Can it be enabled?

Cheers, Kees

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Android Viewer translation on Weblate

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The plus-sign for Dutch is also greyed out

Tuomas Hietala schreef op 15.12.2023 15:17:
Actually, there's still something I need to ask for :) Can you make the 
glossary of "LibreOffice UI - master" also apply to Android Viewer, so 
that there's no need to manually duplicate glossary entries?


Tuomas

sophi kirjoitti 15.12.2023 16:07:

Le 15/12/2023 à 14:55, Tuomas Hietala a écrit :

Thanks, Finnish succesfully added!


Great :)
Cheers
Sophie


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Language settings change

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I think in translation anyone can choose to change it or leave it like 
is is.


Kees

Martin Srebotnjak schreef op 10.12.2023 16:25:
In Slovenian this will be "Jeziki in krajevne nastavitve", which is way 
too

long for that right menu ...
But ...

Lp, m.

V V ned., 10. dec. 2023 ob 11:19 je oseba 
napisala:


I checked in version 24.2 and indeed the menu is changed into Tools -
Options - Languages and Locales - General.

Kees

kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 10.12.2023 10:37:
> I noticed that too. For example in the UI-maser:AEzod and in the
> Help-master:F3eph
>
> Kind regards,
> Kees
>
> Sophie schreef op 10.12.2023 00:06:
>> Hi Eugene,
>>
>> Le 9 décembre 2023 23:36:42 GMT+01:00, "Євген Кондратюк"
>>  a écrit :
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I've noticed at newly added strings that old 'Language settings' in
>>> the 'Options' menu became new 'Languages and Locales'.
>>>
>>> However, I still didn't find if it stand only for Mac LO version or
>>> at all...
>> Could you give the link to the string, it would be easier to check.
>> Cheers
>> Sophie

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Language settings change

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I checked in version 24.2 and indeed the menu is changed into Tools - 
Options - Languages and Locales - General.


Kees

kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 10.12.2023 10:37:
I noticed that too. For example in the UI-maser:AEzod and in the 
Help-master:F3eph


Kind regards,
Kees

Sophie schreef op 10.12.2023 00:06:

Hi Eugene,

Le 9 décembre 2023 23:36:42 GMT+01:00, "Євген Кондратюк" 
 a écrit :

Hi!

I've noticed at newly added strings that old 'Language settings' in 
the 'Options' menu became new 'Languages and Locales'.


However, I still didn't find if it stand only for Mac LO version or 
at all...

Could you give the link to the string, it would be easier to check.
Cheers
Sophie


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Language settings change

[kees538]

I noticed that too. For example in the UI-maser:AEzod and in the 
Help-master:F3eph


Kind regards,
Kees

Sophie schreef op 10.12.2023 00:06:

Hi Eugene,

Le 9 décembre 2023 23:36:42 GMT+01:00, "Євген Кондратюк" 
 a écrit :

Hi!

I've noticed at newly added strings that old 'Language settings' in 
the 'Options' menu became new 'Languages and Locales'.


However, I still didn't find if it stand only for Mac LO version or at 
all...

Could you give the link to the string, it would be easier to check.
Cheers
Sophie


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] "body text" and "text body"

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We translate it as LOTekstBlok, meaning "block of text"

Regards,
Kees

Mike Saunders schreef op 13.06.2023 18:48:

Hi Olivier,

On 13.06.23 18:45, Olivier Hallot wrote:


I have a question on English linguistics: the paragraph style "body 
text" is "text of the body" right? as opposed to  "body of the text".


I'm asking because I see translated as "body of the text" all over the 
internet and in several languages, including in doc from other 
softwares such as Adobe, MS for pt-BR.


To distinguish it from "header of the text", "footer of the text"
etc., then "body of the text" makes the most sense. But I've only ever
seen/used the term in English, and not other languages...

Cheers,
Mike


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Document Liberation Project flyer for translations

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Mike Saunders schreef op 21.02.2023 08:48:

Hi Cristian, everyone,

On 20.02.23 22:39, Cristian Secară wrote:


Has anyone thought about i18n issues at the time of choosing this font 
? A quick look at the embedded character set shows that this font 
lacks support for Czech, Polish, Hungarian and Romanian alphabets 
(this for Latin based scripts); it also lacks support for Greek, it 
also lacks support for Cyrillic. Not a word about Asian or Arabic 
scripts.


The choice of Vegur as the branding font for LibreOffice goes back
many years, back to the start (2010) I believe. You make a good point,
if it's missing many characters for many languages, and we should fix
that.

Why not choose from SIL fonts ? Their i18n support is comprehensive 
(and font quality is awesome).


Thanks for the suggestion -- do you have a specific font in mind?


Why not choose Liberation Sans like in the Guides?



Or, perhaps the sister project considers that only 'Western' languages 
"... have digital content created years ago and stored in old, 
outdated and proprietary document formats." ?


Not at all, and clearly Vegur is lacking. Let's find a font that works
is many more scripts, and adapt the flyers accordingly...

Cheers,
Mike


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice 7.5 "New Features" video script for translation

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Translated into Dutch

Cheers,
Kees

Mike Saunders schreef op 01.02.2023 12:52:

Hi everyone,

The Indonesian community has made another awesome video, and here's the 
script:


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/7.5_New_Features_Script

If you translate it, I can add the subtitles to the video on YouTube
(and maybe PeerTube, if possible) when the video goes live :-)

Thanks a lot in advance, for any translations!

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice 7.4 New Features video script for translation

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Translated into Dutch

Mike Saunders schreef op 17.08.2022 10:46:

Hi everyone,

As usual, we've worked with the Indonesian community on a video,
showing some of the new features in the upcoming release. The script
is on the wiki for translation:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/7.4_New_Features_Script

Thanks in advance for all help :-)

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Empty folders in Nextcloud

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Hi Olivier

Thanks for the reply.
I already looked in the recycle bin and the files are not there.
We did not delete the files by hand so something must have gone wrong.
I will ask hostmaster for support.

Regards,
Kees

Olivier Hallot schreef op 25.03.2022 10:52:

Hi Kees
I can only restore what is in the recycle bin. My recycle bin shows
the file WG7310-WorkingWithTemplates_02_JHW_KK_20220323.odt deleted
yesterday.

The 2 folders you mention were modified 18 days ago. Please look at
the recycle bin to check if the contents are still there and if
affirmative, you can restore them.

Otherwise you must ask hostmas...@documentfoundation.org (guilhem) for
support. It worth to investigate what happened to the files.

Regards
Olivier

Em 25/03/2022 04:24, kees...@libreoffice.org escreveu:
Two Dutch folders of Nextcloud, “Gemakkelijk overstappen naar” and 
“Hulpmiddelen bij het vertalen”, are suddenly empty.

Is it possible to restore them from a backup?

Thanks in advance,
Kees



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[libreoffice-l10n] Empty folders in Nextcloud

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Two Dutch folders of Nextcloud, “Gemakkelijk overstappen naar” and 
“Hulpmiddelen bij het vertalen”, are suddenly empty.

Is it possible to restore them from a backup?

Thanks in advance,
Kees

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Automatic translations in Weblate

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Hi Sophie

I tried Matecat and it works well for Dutch translations.

Cheers,
Kees

sophi schreef op 23.02.2022 15:46:

Hi all,

Following the request made by Stanislav and Olivier on automatic
translation built-in support in Weblate, we discussed the topic
yesterday during our team meeting.
Currently we rely on automatic suggestions from Weblate TM and amaGama
TM, meaning there is no AI added.
The possibility to include Aws, Microsoft, Google, DeepL, Baidu and
more is already there in Weblate, see:
https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/machine.html

Doing some research on the different translators available, I've seen
some are really high in costs and/or do not cover a large range of
languages. Traductor requests to be added in credits, I don't know for
others.

Yesterday, Olivier proposed Matecat (https://www.matecat.com/) which
is an open source project. He is using it with the Brazilian community
and it gives them very good results. From what I've tested, it
supports a large range of languages, can be used locally. However not
relevant here, I found their support for a large type of file formats
very interesting too.

Could you give a test to Matecat and let me know:
- if that would work for your language
- if there are more appropriate translators for your language that
already exists (for example, Hossein told us about
https://github.com/targoman for Persian).

Thanks a lot in advance for your help!
Cheers
Sophie




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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice 7.3 video script for subtitle translations

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I translated the script into Dutch.

Cheers, Kees

Mike Saunders schreef op 31.01.2022 15:40:

Hi everyone,

Here's the script for the video that we'll publish on release day
(planned for Wednesday). Sorry that it's quite close to the release,
and thanks in advance for all translations!

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/7.3_New_Features_Script

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] NLP / L10n content for the Annual report

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Hi Sophi

I added the input of the Dutch community.
Although translation of the Calc guide is still on process, we will 
manage to publish in December.


Cheers,
Kees

sophi schreef op 29.11.2021 18:22:

Hi all,

With the last month of the year coming, it's time again to share what
happened in your local teams and communities to help Mike building the
Annual Report.

After those hard times we all encounter, let's have good memories from
this year with all what we have been able to achieve be it alone at 
home

or via virtual platforms or in presence :)

Please don't be shy, even if it seems few for you, it's already a big
step! We want to show everything our diverse community have done.

I've prepared the pad here:
https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport

There are already some main parts but if your contribution doesn't fit
in one of these parts, don't hesitate to add yours.

If you do not feel comfortable with the pad, just send me what you want
to add, I'll do it. And if you have any question, do not hesitate to
come back to me.

Cheers
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[libreoffice-l10n] missing option in Nextclud

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All

In Nextcloud I miss the option to create a link for publication of a 
document.
At the and of a line there was an icon to open a submenu to choose to 
share the document.

Is is missing now.

Greetings, Kees

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice 7.2 "New Features" video script for translation

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Hi Mike

I sent you a translation by email.
Is that OK?

Cheers,
Kees

Mike Saunders schreef op 17.08.2021 10:56:

Hi Martin,

We can use "LibreOffice 7.2 Community" in the video title but we never
translate "Community", so that's why it's not explicitly mentioned in
the video script.

I see that you've already done an SL translation -- thanks a lot!

Cheers,
Mike


On 17.08.21 10:46, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Hello,

sorry to bother you again, shouldn't the product be named LibreOffice
7.2 Community?
It says only LibreOffice 7.2 ...

Lp, m.

V V tor., 17. avg. 2021 ob 10:03 je oseba Mike Saunders
mailto:mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>> napisala:

Hello everyone,

We've made a video for the LibreOffice 7.2 release, which will be 
made
public on release day. (Many thanks to the Indonesian community 
for all

their help!) Here is the script, for translated subtitles:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/7.2_New_Features_Script




Thanks in advance for any translations! For the last video, we had
subtitles in 18 languages which was awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLutwM8XKvo


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] No notifications in weblate

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I noticed that too.

Kees

Annabelle Wübbelsmann schreef op 15.08.2021 11:23:

Good morning,

since a few weeks I don't get notifications for my watched projects in
weblate. Does exist a problem with the notifications?

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Can't delete unnecessary translation suggestions in Weblate

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I have noticed that too.

Kees

Jun Nogata schreef op 22.01.2021 02:55:

Hello,

I cannot delete unnecessary translation suggestions in Weblate.
Before the upgrade, I was able to delete them.

I want to delete them because I apply the wrong translations.
How can I do that?


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Removal of 6.x strings

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Linking all branches to Master is just great.
When I detect a wrong translation, I just have to change Master and all 
branches are changed with it.

So please do  not unlink old branches from Master.

Kind regards,
Kees

Ming H. schreef op 25.12.2020 15:50:

-- Original --
From: "Sérgio Marques";
To: "Lista de tradução Libreoffice";


Hi Christian and all,

I don't know if the team is thinking about removing older projects 
from
weblate but for Portuguese language, I can assure you that you can 
remove

all 6.x projects because I'm the only one working on Libreoffice
translation and, for sure, I won't be touching that files anymore.


Sérgio didn't elaborate the reason he wants the 6.x translations 
removed, so

I'd like to concur and add a few comments about my experiences.

Currently all five UI branches -- 6.3, 6.4, 7.0, 7.1, and master are
linked together,
so that changing translation of one old string on Weblate would trigger 
five
changes, one in each branch.  I assume for Help it's the same 
situation.


This clutters quite a few places like my Profile > Recent Changes,
History of the
language overview page, etc.  So if for whatever reason the old 
branches should

be kept (I can think of a few), unlink them from master/7.1 so that
they won't be
automatically updated would be desirable.

Ming

So if you think a good idea, please remove all Portuguese related 
files for

those projects.

Regards


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice Online locked on Weblate

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Hi Sophie

Thanks or the information, but what does that mean?

Greetings, Kees

sophi schreef op 09.12.2020 10:21:

Hi all,

For information, following the decision of the Board of Directors, the
LibreOffice Online project on Weblate has been locked.

Cheers
Sohpie
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Localised gallery item titles - yay or nay?

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Yes, I think it is important to be able to translate the tootips of the 
gallery items, but also the items itself.
There are more places where items are not translated. In the key-id 
version there are no codes for Weblate to find and translate them.


Greetings, Kees

Ilmari Lauhakangas schreef op 01.12.2020 18:30:

There is this old request:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90864
GALLERY: image tooltips/names not translated

If it were to be implemented, localisation information would have to
be somehow included inside the gallery packages. In other words, many
unknowns and moving parts. Also pending the finishing of the migration
to the new gallery package format.

I wanted to ask from the localisation community, do you consider it
important to have these translatable?

Ilmari


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[libreoffice-l10n] Nextcloud full?

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When I open Nextcloud I see the message 'Deze groepsfolder zit bijna vol 
(91%)' (This group is almost full (91%)).
Is this something we should solve by cleaning up history or is the space 
expandable?


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] To find translation in the UI

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I see this question is already answerred. :-)

kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 13.10.2020 06:41:

The link to the version page is
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/
And a example is the 7.0 Beta2 version at
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/7.0.0.0.beta2/win/x86_64/
Look for the qtz version at this page.
You can directly download this version with next link
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/7.0.0.0.beta2/win/x86_64/LibreOfficeDev_7.0.0.0.beta2_Win_x64_helppack_qtz.msi

Regards, Kees

Y.Sol.lei schreef op 12.10.2020 10:06:

Thank you for the answer, Kees!
It seems very inspiring.
But I can't find a link to that version of LO. Could you share it with
me?

Regards, Eugene.

пн, 12 жовт. 2020 о 09:16  пише:


The easiest way is to install the key-id version of Libreoffice.
Key-id versions exist for the alpha or beta versions of a release.
It is the file with qtz instead of the language in the name, like
LibreOfficeDev_7.0.0.0.beta1_Win_x64_helppack_qtz.msi

You can find all the different versions of LibreOffice on
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/

In this key-id version you will find codes before (almost) every
UI-item.
You can search for this code in Weblate.
Choose the project and your language and click Search.
Search criteria is “note: vwxyz”. (vwxyz is the code you found
for the
UI-item)
This way you find your UI-item for translation.

I hope this is what you like to know.

Success, Kees

Y.Sol.lei schreef op 05.10.2020 11:56:

Hi, all!
I've decided to deepen the translational process, so ask you:
is there an exact way to find the location of the word in the UI ?
I suggest the "context" area may help, but don't know HOW...

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] To find translation in the UI

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The link to the version page is 
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/
And a example is the 7.0 Beta2 version at 
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/7.0.0.0.beta2/win/x86_64/

Look for the qtz version at this page.
You can directly download this version with next link 
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/7.0.0.0.beta2/win/x86_64/LibreOfficeDev_7.0.0.0.beta2_Win_x64_helppack_qtz.msi


Regards, Kees

Y.Sol.lei schreef op 12.10.2020 10:06:

Thank you for the answer, Kees!
It seems very inspiring.
But I can't find a link to that version of LO. Could you share it with
me?

Regards, Eugene.

пн, 12 жовт. 2020 о 09:16  пише:


The easiest way is to install the key-id version of Libreoffice.
Key-id versions exist for the alpha or beta versions of a release.
It is the file with qtz instead of the language in the name, like
LibreOfficeDev_7.0.0.0.beta1_Win_x64_helppack_qtz.msi

You can find all the different versions of LibreOffice on
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/

In this key-id version you will find codes before (almost) every
UI-item.
You can search for this code in Weblate.
Choose the project and your language and click Search.
Search criteria is “note: vwxyz”. (vwxyz is the code you found
for the
UI-item)
This way you find your UI-item for translation.

I hope this is what you like to know.

Success, Kees

Y.Sol.lei schreef op 05.10.2020 11:56:

Hi, all!
I've decided to deepen the translational process, so ask you:
is there an exact way to find the location of the word in the UI ?
I suggest the "context" area may help, but don't know HOW...

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] To find translation in the UI

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The easiest way is to install the key-id version of Libreoffice.
Key-id versions exist for the alpha or beta versions of a release.
It is the file with qtz instead of the language in the name, like 
LibreOfficeDev_7.0.0.0.beta1_Win_x64_helppack_qtz.msi


You can find all the different versions of LibreOffice on 
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/


In this key-id version you will find codes before (almost) every 
UI-item.

You can search for this code in Weblate.
Choose the project and your language and click Search.
Search criteria is “note: vwxyz”. (vwxyz is the code you found for the 
UI-item)

This way you find your UI-item for translation.

I hope this is what you like to know.

Success, Kees

Y.Sol.lei schreef op 05.10.2020 11:56:

Hi, all!
I've decided to deepen the translational process, so ask you:
is there an exact way to find the location of the word in the UI ?
I suggest the "context" area may help, but don't know HOW...

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] LibreOffice 7.0 New Features video script for translation

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Thanks Cor

Cor Nouws schreef op 04.08.2020 00:16:

Hi Mike,

Mike Saunders wrote on 03/08/2020 11:37:

Apologies that this is quite close to the release day, but the script 
is


Somehow I recognize this feeling ;)


quite short, and we can continue to add subtitles after the release:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/7.0_New_Features_Script


Dutch added :)

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translation of 7.0 announcement

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Cor Nouws schreef op 31.07.2020 08:42:

Hi Kees,



Hi Cor


kees...@libreoffice.org wrote on 30/07/2020 06:38:


I like to localize the 7.0 announcement and I am not on the marketing
private list.


Would you like to be on that?


Sure, why not.



So please send it to me.

I've attached it for you.


I already got it from Sophie.


We can cooperate on translation of course - it has been done a lot in
the past, but last years I'm just too busy..


It is already translated but it would be nice to get some help from you 
in the future.


Funny to communicate with you in English :-)

Greetz, Kees


Cheers,
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translation of 7.0 announcement

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Hi Sophie

I like to localize the 7.0 announcement and I am not on the marketing 
private list.

So please send it to me.

Thank, Kees

sophi schreef op 29.07.2020 10:02:

Hi all,

If you want to localize the 7.0 announcement and you're not on the
marketing private list, let me know, I'll send it to you. Once
translated, send it back to Italo, he has an international list of
journalist to send it.
The more translation we have, the better :-)
Cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Incorrectly translated string in many languages

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Mihkel Tõnnov schreef op 09.07.2020 11:25:

Hi Kees,

Kontakt  kirjutas kuupäeval N, 9. juuli 2020 
kell

08:42:


Hi Mihkel

It does not work for Dutch.
Shift+, gives < and Ctrl+Shift+, does not give anything.
I use version 7.0.0.1 and under Windows 10
And the keyoard is US Internationaal



Is it common to use a US layout in NL?


Yes it is common to use the US layout.

Does it work if you try with a Dutch

layout?


I do not know. I do not have a Dutch keybord.
Most Dutch user do not have one I think.

Kees



Best regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Incorrectly translated string in many languages

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Hi Mihkel

It does not work for Dutch.
Shift+, gives < and Ctrl+Shift+, does not give anything.
I use version 7.0.0.1 and under Windows 10
And the keyoard is US Internationaal

Kind regards, Kees

Mihkel Tõnnov schreef op 08.07.2020 20:57:

Hi *,

There's a problematic string in LibO UI cui/messages.po which for many
languages has been impossible to properly localize:
"Need to insert the date in a spreadsheet cell? Type %MOD1+; or
Shift+%MOD1+; to insert the time."

Many European keyboard layouts don't have a dedicated semicolon key
(Shift+comma is used instead), so only one of these shortcuts works 
(the

one for time).

For a handful of languages, there has been an exception added to the 
code

to use %MOD1+comma and Shift+%MOD1+comma instead:
Finnish (fi) - translations still refers to semicolon
Portuguese in Europe (pt) - translation completely omits the 
second/third

key in the shortcut
Portuguese in Brasil (pt-BR) - translations still refers to semicolon
Russian (ru) - translations still refers to semicolon
Spanish (es) (not translated)

Starting from LibreOffice 7.0, the same exception is added for a number 
of

additional languages [1]:
Albanian (sq)
Bosnian (bs)
Croatian (hr)
Danish (da)
Dutch in the Netherlands (nl-NL)
German (de)
Estonian (et)
Faroese (fo)
Icelandic (is)
Italian (it)
Norwegian Bokmål (nb)
Norwegian Nynorsk (nn) - also translation probably should say "Tast 
«%MOD1

+ ,» eller «Shift + %MOD1 + ,»" not "Skriv" ;)
Romanian (ro)
Serbian (sr)
Slovenian (sl)
Swedish (sv)
Turkish (tr) - also typo in existing translation of "%MOD1"

Members of these language teams should test (using the daily builds) if 
the

shortcut works on a system that uses their language for UI [2].
If it does, their translation of the above string should refer to comma
key, not semicolon key.
And if it doesn't work, let me know (along with details about your OS
locale and keyboard and LibO locale/UI language).

Also, I suspect we will need to add exceptions for more languages 
still.
So, if your language is not mentioned above, and your keyboard doesn't 
have

a separate semicolon key either, then please let me know. I think the
European "smaller" languages are probable candidates here (Lower/Upper
Sorbian, Frisian, Friulian, Galician, Venetian, etc.)

[1] See https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/94305
[2] The exception is unfortunately dependent on UI language, not actual
keyboard layout or even locale - see
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134470

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Remove suggests from weblate

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I have the same.
I can only delete my own sugestions but not others.

Kees

sophi schreef op 06.07.2020 17:57:

Hi Ayhan,
Le 06/07/2020 à 13:51, Ayhan YALÇINSOY a écrit :

Hi,
I want to remove unneeded suggests. But I can't how can I do it. 
Please

help.


You should be able to remove them now
Cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] problem with the Dutch Calc Guide chapter 5 of LibreOffice 6.2

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I filtered chapter 5 from the full book "Handleiding voor Calc 6.2".
With that I created a new separate chapter 5 and uploaded it to 
Nextcloud.

in my opinion that solves the problem.

Regards, Kees

Cor Nouws schreef op 08.06.2020 10:14:

Hi Kees, all,

kees...@libreoffice.org wrote on 08/06/2020 06:59:


https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/LibreOffice%20Documentation/Dutch/Handleidingen/03%20Handleiding%20voor%20Calc/LibreOffice%206.2=127204



I downloaded 03HvCLO062-Handleiding voor Calc.odt and it opens fine.
Also on the server.. no problem.


The problem is with chapter 5, so the file 0305HvCLO62-Afbeeldingen
gebruiken in Calc.odt


Oh yes, I can confirm that. File is corrupted. After downloading, an
attempt to repair fails and it does not open.


and then in the folders Archief, ODF-bestanden and Gepubliceerd.
All the versions of that Guides have the same problem.


All 305HvCLO65.. (Archive, Published) have the same problem. I tried to
unpack one of the files, but the zip file is corrupted.

Maybe Olivier, or Guilhem, or one of the other sysadmins can look at a
backup, or ?

Is there any one with a local backup, still ok?

Cheers,
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] problem with the Dutch Calc Guide chapter 5 of LibreOffice 6.2

[kees538]

Chapter 5 still is a problem as I try to open it.

h.vdb...@hccnet.nl schreef op 07.06.2020 22:53:

Hi Kees en Cor,

I can at least open them again today and they will be displayed
properly in NextCloud.

Greetings, Henk.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Cor Nouws 
Verzonden: zondag 7 juni 2020 21:32
Aan: kees...@libreoffice.org; documentation list
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Onderwerp: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] problem
with the Dutch Calc Guide chapter 5 of LibreOffice 6.2

Hi Kees,

kees...@libreoffice.org wrote on 07/06/2020 08:47:

There seems to be a problem with the Dutch Calc Guide chapter 5 of
LibreOffice 6.2. If you open the odt-file only it shows  and the
pdf-version gives an error. The guides are in the folder
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/LibreOffice%
20Documentation/Dutch/Handleidingen/03%20Handleiding%20voor%20Calc/Lib
reOffice%206.2=127204


I downloaded 03HvCLO062-Handleiding voor Calc.odt and it opens fine.
Also on the server.. no problem.


and then in the folders Archief, ODF-bestanden and Gepubliceerd.
All the versions of that Guides have the same problem.


Picked on other file, that opened fine too.


I have no idea what causes that problem.


Neither do I :)

Possibly a temporary hick up ?

Greetings,
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[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] problem with the Dutch Calc Guide chapter 5 of LibreOffice 6.2

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Cor Nouws schreef op 07.06.2020 21:31:

Hi Kees,

Hi Cor


kees...@libreoffice.org wrote on 07/06/2020 08:47:

There seems to be a problem with the Dutch Calc Guide chapter 5 of
LibreOffice 6.2. If you open the odt-file only it shows  and the
pdf-version gives an error. The guides are in the folder
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/LibreOffice%20Documentation/Dutch/Handleidingen/03%20Handleiding%20voor%20Calc/LibreOffice%206.2=127204


I downloaded 03HvCLO062-Handleiding voor Calc.odt and it opens fine.
Also on the server.. no problem.


The problem is with chapter 5, so the file 0305HvCLO62-Afbeeldingen 
gebruiken in Calc.odt





and then in the folders Archief, ODF-bestanden and Gepubliceerd.
All the versions of that Guides have the same problem.


Picked on other file, that opened fine too.


I have no idea what causes that problem.


Neither do I :)

Possibly a temporary hick up ?

Greetings,
Cor


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[libreoffice-l10n] problem with the Dutch Calc Guide chapter 5 of LibreOffice 6.2

[kees538]

There seems to be a problem with the Dutch Calc Guide chapter 5 of 
LibreOffice 6.2.
If you open the odt-file only it shows  and the pdf-version gives an 
error.
The guides are in the folder 
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/LibreOffice%20Documentation/Dutch/Handleidingen/03%20Handleiding%20voor%20Calc/LibreOffice%206.2=127204 
and then in the folders Archief, ODF-bestanden and Gepubliceerd. All the 
versions of that Guides have the same problem.

I have no idea what causes that problem.

Best regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] weblate down

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I have already found a solution.
I went to Weblate another way than I used to do and it works.
Apparently the rout is changed?

Kees

kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 28.05.2020 06:41:

Hi Andras

Thanks for the reaction, but it does not works for me.
It did before and suddenly it stopped working.

Is there an admin who can help me?

Thanks in advance,
Kees

Andras Timar schreef op 27.05.2020 07:50:

Hi Kees,

It works for me now. Did you try it from an incognito window? Maybe 
there's

a bad cookie or something. (I'm not Weblate admin, just a translator.)

Best regards,
Andras

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:17 AM  wrote:


Hi all

It seems weblate is still down.
Or is it only me that has problems with it?

Kees

kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 24.05.2020 09:38:
> I think weblate is down.
> Navigating to it gives 'Internal Server Error'
>
> Kees

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] weblate down

[kees538]

Hi Andras

Thanks for the reaction, but it does not works for me.
It did before and suddenly it stopped working.

Is there an admin who can help me?

Thanks in advance,
Kees

Andras Timar schreef op 27.05.2020 07:50:

Hi Kees,

It works for me now. Did you try it from an incognito window? Maybe 
there's

a bad cookie or something. (I'm not Weblate admin, just a translator.)

Best regards,
Andras

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:17 AM  wrote:


Hi all

It seems weblate is still down.
Or is it only me that has problems with it?

Kees

kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 24.05.2020 09:38:
> I think weblate is down.
> Navigating to it gives 'Internal Server Error'
>
> Kees

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] weblate down

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Hi all

It seems weblate is still down.
Or is it only me that has problems with it?

Kees

kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 24.05.2020 09:38:

I think weblate is down.
Navigating to it gives 'Internal Server Error'

Kees


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[libreoffice-l10n] weblate down

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I think weblate is down.
Navigating to it gives 'Internal Server Error'

Kees

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: pocheck: Langauges with errors: am cy dsb fy hsb mn nb nl nn szl vec

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Hi Christan

The error in nl is the translation of ISSER and ISERROR. In Dutch they 
are both ISFOUT.

I do not understand why there are two differend items for that.
What is the difference between ISSER and ISERROR?

Regards, Kees

Christian Lohmaier schreef op 06.05.2020 18:50:

Oups, that had bad encoding, here again with proper encoding, and in
addition with links to the corresponding strings in weblate...
Langauges with errors: am cy dsb fy hsb mn nb nl nn szl vec


Pocheck error report for # am #
 Spreadsheet function name translations must be unique.
መቀየሪያ
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=context%3ARID_STRLIST_FUNCTION_NAMES%20language%3Aam%20target%3A%27%E1%88%98%E1%89%80%E1%8B%A8%E1%88%AA%E1%8B%AB%27
መደበኛስርጭት
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=context%3ARID_STRLIST_FUNCTION_NAMES%20language%3Aam%20target%3A%27%E1%88%98%E1%8B%B0%E1%89%A0%E1%8A%9B%E1%88%B5%E1%88%AD%E1%8C%AD%E1%89%B5%27
መፈለጊያ
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=context%3ARID_STRLIST_FUNCTION_NAMES%20language%3Aam%20target%3A%27%E1%88%98%E1%8D%88%E1%88%88%E1%8C%8A%E1%8B%AB%27
ቀን
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=context%3ARID_STRLIST_FUNCTION_NAMES%20language%3Aam%20target%3A%27%E1%89%80%E1%8A%95%27
አነስተኛ
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=context%3ARID_STRLIST_FUNCTION_NAMES%20language%3Aam%20target%3A%27%E1%8A%A0%E1%8A%90%E1%88%B5%E1%89%B0%E1%8A%9B%27
ውጤት
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=context%3ARID_STRLIST_FUNCTION_NAMES%20language%3Aam%20target%3A%27%E1%8B%8D%E1%8C%A4%E1%89%B5%27
ዘዴ
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=context%3ARID_STRLIST_FUNCTION_NAMES%20language%3Aam%20target%3A%27%E1%8B%98%E1%8B%B4%27
ዝአ
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=context%3ARID_STRLIST_FUNCTION_NAMES%20language%3Aam%20target%3A%27%E1%8B%9D%E1%8A%A0%27

Pocheck error report for # cy #
 Math symbol names must not contain spaces
in file starmath/messages.po
notequal — nid hafal
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=check%3Alo-mathname%20language%3Acy

Pocheck error report for # dsb #
 Spreadsheet function name translations must be unique.
NAROWNAŚ
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=context%3ARID_STRLIST_FUNCTION_NAMES%20language%3Adsb%20target%3A%27NAROWNA%C5%9A%27

Pocheck error report for # fy #
 Style name translations must be unique — See STR_POOLCOLL_*
Duplicated translations in file sw/messages.po
Byskrift
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=See%20STR_POOLCOLL_%2A%20target%3A%27Byskrift%27
Koptekst
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=See%20STR_POOLCOLL_%2A%20target%3A%27Koptekst%27
 Spreadsheet function name translations must be unique.
SYKJE
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=context%3ARID_STRLIST_FUNCTION_NAMES%20language%3Afy%20target%3A%27SYKJE%27

Pocheck error report for # hsb #
 Style name translations must be unique — See STR_POOLCOLL_*
Duplicated translations in file sw/messages.po
Lisćina 1 start
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=See%20STR_POOLCOLL_%2A%20target%3A%27Lis%C4%87ina%201%20start%27

Pocheck error report for # mn #
 Math symbol names must not contain spaces
in file starmath/messages.po
   noelement — элемент бус
strictlylessthan — харьцангуй бага
 strictlygreaterthan — харьцангуй том
notequal — тэнцүү биш
 perthousand — мянга хуваасны нэг
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=check%3Alo-mathname%20language%3Amn

Pocheck error report for # nb #
 Spreadsheet function name translations must be unique.
HYPGEOM.FORDELING
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=context%3ARID_STRLIST_FUNCTION_NAMES%20language%3Anb%20target%3A%27HYPGEOM.FORDELING%27
NEGBINOM.FORDELING
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=context%3ARID_STRLIST_FUNCTION_NAMES%20language%3Anb%20target%3A%27NEGBINOM.FORDELING%27

Pocheck error report for # nl #
 Spreadsheet function name translations must be unique.
ISFOUT
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=context%3ARID_STRLIST_FUNCTION_NAMES%20language%3Anl%20target%3A%27ISFOUT%27

Pocheck error report for # nn #
 Style name translations must be unique — See STR_POOLCOLL_*
Duplicated translations in file sw/messages.po
Sitat
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=See%20STR_POOLCOLL_%2A%20target%3A%27Sitat%27

Pocheck error report for # szl #
 Style name translations must be unique — See STR_POOLCOLL_*
Duplicated translations in file sw/messages.po
Nogōwek
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=See%20STR_POOLCOLL_%2A%20target%3A%27Nog%C5%8Dwek%27
Podpis
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/search/?q=See%20STR_POOLCOLL_%2A%20target%3A%27Podpis%27
 Spreadsheet 

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Label for conditional cell formating

[kees538]

Hi Sophie

No problem for Dutch translation.

Greetings, Kees

sophi schreef op 09.03.2020 14:30:

Hi all,

The proposal is to change "Cell value is" to "Cell value", see
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131045

Would that be ok for your language too?

Cheers
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[libreoffice-l10n] Nextcloud is empty?

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Hi

I went to Nextcloud and noticed that it is empty.
There are no files in the LibreOffice Documentation folder.
Is this an error?

Kind regards,
Kees

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] New branches and translation across components

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sophi schreef op 12.12.2019 10:29:

Hi all,

Christian has created the 6.4 project in Weblate, therefore master is
now the next 6.5.


Good to know


He has migrated 6.3 project. (Do not forget to managed your watched
project if you want to have them in your Dashboard).


Thanks for the tip.


He has also activated translation across project. It is based on a hash
that Weblate creates based on context and the source string. He limited
the translation to match components of the same name.
In short that means that strings that have the same context will be
translated for all branches at once.


That is a nice feature. Sometimes a translation error is found. Changing 
one branch will automaticaly change them all.


Then he sets priorities for the components (Weblate will decide from
that what end's up in "suggested translations") as follow:
- Help Master: lowest priority
- Help Release branch: low priority
- UI Master: low priority
- UI Release branch: high priority.

Oh and maybe I didn't say: we are running Weblate 3.9.1 now

As usual, feedback and advices are welcome :)


Is weblate now used for future updates of the implemented branches? So 
we don't have to add or change translations for them in Pootle anymore? 
Please add 6.2 and we can leave Pootle for what it is.



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate: new hardware

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Hi Sophi

One more question.
Why do I have to choose my lanquage after choosing search.
Can't it use my lanquage as a default?

Regards, Kees

sophi schreef op 11.12.2019 10:39:

Hi Kees,
Le 11/12/2019 à 10:07, kees...@libreoffice.org a écrit :

Hi

I see that searching is changed.
I can no more choose for "Exact match"
And I can no more choose my language, so the result are in all 
languages.

Maybe I do something wrong?


So Christian has upgraded to version 3.9.1 and the search has changed.
To search the keyID UJ5WP for example, I did:
- Choose UI project,
- Select Dutch
- Click on the Search button
- Enter comment:UJ5WP in the Query field
- Click on Search button
--> I get the result in your language.

If you go to the Advanced query builder, you have examples of the
syntax. For example in the drop down list, instead of Source string
select Comment Strings and in Search for, enter UJ5WP and then click on
ADD. You'll see that in the Query field you have now comment:UJ5WP

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate: new hardware

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Thanks Sophi

I will try to follow your ionstructions, but I must say that it doesn't 
make it easier for me.


Greetings, Kees

sophi schreef op 11.12.2019 10:39:

Hi Kees,
Le 11/12/2019 à 10:07, kees...@libreoffice.org a écrit :

Hi

I see that searching is changed.
I can no more choose for "Exact match"
And I can no more choose my language, so the result are in all 
languages.

Maybe I do something wrong?


So Christian has upgraded to version 3.9.1 and the search has changed.
To search the keyID UJ5WP for example, I did:
- Choose UI project,
- Select Dutch
- Click on the Search button
- Enter comment:UJ5WP in the Query field
- Click on Search button
--> I get the result in your language.

If you go to the Advanced query builder, you have examples of the
syntax. For example in the drop down list, instead of Source string
select Comment Strings and in Search for, enter UJ5WP and then click on
ADD. You'll see that in the Query field you have now comment:UJ5WP

Cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate: new hardware

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Hi

I see that searching is changed.
I can no more choose for "Exact match"
And I can no more choose my language, so the result are in all 
languages.

Maybe I do something wrong?

Kind tegards,
Kees


sophi schreef op 09.12.2019 12:04:

Hi,

We have now switched to a dedicated machine to run our Weblate 
instance.

Thanks a lot to Guilhem and Christian for their work on that!

If you see "TDF Weblate STAGING - LibreOffice" then, you are on the old
instance where translations are blocked. If you see "TDF Weblate -
LibreOffice" then you are on the new instance, DNS has been updated

As soon as everything is checked on the new machine, we will be able to
upgrade to a newer version. Don't hesitate to send your feedback to the
list.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Changing translations in Pootle and Weblate

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Jean-Baptiste Faure schreef op 07.12.2019 11:10:

Hi,

Le 07/12/2019 à 09:19, kees...@libreoffice.org a écrit :

When I find a translation error in the UI I do the following.
I search for the item in Pootle.
When it find multiple instances Pootle makes a list of them.
I change the first instance and when I save the change Pootle goes to 
the next instance.

Then I change the next and go on untill all are changed.

In Weblate however searching for the item don't give a list of 
instances, but a list of links to the instances.

Clicking the first instance goes to the item where I can change it.
But after saving the change Weblate doesn't go to the next instance.
I have to start the search again for the next instance to change.
If there are a lot items to changes this way is very time consuming.
Is there another way to make this easier?


Did you try to middle-click the link to open it in a new tab ?


That is a good suggestion. I will try that.

Thanks, Kees


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[libreoffice-l10n] Changing translations in Pootle and Weblate

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When I find a translation error in the UI I do the following.
I search for the item in Pootle.
When it find multiple instances Pootle makes a list of them.
I change the first instance and when I save the change Pootle goes to 
the next instance.

Then I change the next and go on untill all are changed.

In Weblate however searching for the item don't give a list of 
instances, but a list of links to the instances.

Clicking the first instance goes to the item where I can change it.
But after saving the change Weblate doesn't go to the next instance.
I have to start the search again for the next instance to change.
If there are a lot items to changes this way is very time consuming.
Is there another way to make this easier?

Kind regards, Kees

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate, where we stand currently

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sophi schreef op 28.11.2019 11:34:

Hi Kees,

Le 28/11/2019 à 10:16, kees...@libreoffice.org a écrit :

I found some differences in the search options of Pootle and Weblate.
- When searching in Pootle you can select "Phrase match" and
Case-sensetive match. In Weblate I don't see that.


The naming is not the same, but in the Search type drop down list, you
find Fulltext, Substring, Exact match and regular expression.


Ah yes, I found it. Thanks for the tip.



- The results in Pootle are in a list and the amount of found items is
mentioned. In Weblate only one instance is shown and you have to 
search

again for the next.


I get a list, for example searching for Open, I get 7 occurrences, 
which

indeed it not complete, but it's a list. Could you send me a sample of
your search so I can reproduce it and see what's going on?


As I search for "Openen" (Open in Dutch) I get a list indeed. Again 
thanks for the help.

I think it depends on what you are searching for.


After several tests, I finally was able to retrieve your request for
UJ5WP in the example you sent me. You need to add Exact match in the
Search type and check Comment strings, and you get the result quite
quickly. I'll add it to the FAQ too.


That is it. Great now it works. Thanks a lot for your help.


Looking at the documentation, it seems the search query has changed in
the next version, see:
https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/user/search.html
hope that will help us to fine tune string search


I hope so too.

Again. Thanks a lot Sophie.
Kees



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate, where we stand currently

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I found some differences in the search options of Pootle and Weblate.
- When searching in Pootle you can select "Phrase match" and 
Case-sensetive match. In Weblate I don't see that.
- The results in Pootle are in a list and the amount of found items is 
mentioned. In Weblate only one instance is shown and you have to search 
again for the next.


Kind regards, Kees

sophi schreef op 19.11.2019 17:14:

Hi all,

I know how it's difficult to change a so important tool and our work
habits, so first I wanted to thank you all for your participation in a
constructive way to the test and the migration.

Some information on where we stand:
- Christian is currently adding Amagama to the translation memory, we
hope that will speed up the process
- The main problem seems that we can't download all files in one step,
here also Christian is looking at a way to download via Gerrit and 
avoid

using command line and API.
- Since the migration is not over, Weblate is not running on it's own
hardware yet, so that might be the problem we meet with the slowness on
some tasks, this is something we are monitoring
- we have form a group with OpenSuse, KDE and Fedora to push and share
our development needs. We will have a workshop during FOSDEM, if you 
are

there, please join the discussion :)

Don't hesitate to send your feedback to the list or to me, we need it 
to

improve the tool to best suits our needs.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate, where we stand currently

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Hi Sophi

Thanks for the update.
One thing I am still struggling with.
I still can't search for Key-id codes, as context.

Kind regards, Kees

sophi schreef op 19.11.2019 17:14:

Hi all,

I know how it's difficult to change a so important tool and our work
habits, so first I wanted to thank you all for your participation in a
constructive way to the test and the migration.

Some information on where we stand:
- Christian is currently adding Amagama to the translation memory, we
hope that will speed up the process
- The main problem seems that we can't download all files in one step,
here also Christian is looking at a way to download via Gerrit and 
avoid

using command line and API.
- Since the migration is not over, Weblate is not running on it's own
hardware yet, so that might be the problem we meet with the slowness on
some tasks, this is something we are monitoring
- we have form a group with OpenSuse, KDE and Fedora to push and share
our development needs. We will have a workshop during FOSDEM, if you 
are

there, please join the discussion :)

Don't hesitate to send your feedback to the list or to me, we need it 
to

improve the tool to best suits our needs.

Cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Current status of Weblate?

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kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 08.11.2019 10:07:

Christian Lohmaier schreef op 05.11.2019 12:09:

Hi Stanislav, *,

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 2:16 PM Stanislav Horáček
 wrote:


I would like to ask about the current status of Weblate. If I 
understand

it correctly, only Weblate will be used for translation of LO 6.4.


Already is...


To be specific:
- slow performance,


Can you be more specific?
Is it slow for you all the time or only when I update templates?


When I translate or change an item, klikking on safe takes about 15
seconds to safe.

Should be clicking ofcourse ;-0



Apart from the known slowdowns during this operation, weblate doesn't
run on the final hardware yet, we'll have a dedicated machine to run
the translation services on, so performance overall should be a bit
better - but if you experience overall slowdown, please let us know
for what operations exactly.


- translation memory and terminology are not included (should we add
them ourselves?),


No, don't add it yourself, I added translation memory from pootle, but
he way weblate makes use of it doesn't scale for large projects like
ours.
It is again more suited for many little projects. In other words:
Translation memory view is slow and also matches way too loosely to be
useful.
Translation memory will be handled by a separate translation memory
server that we'll hook up to weblate.

What is in weblate is the translation history/cross-referencing of
other same/very similar translated strings.


- instructions for translating refer to old Pootle, e.g. [1].

Is addressing of these issues planned? In other words, is it worth to
wait with translation, or should we live with what we have now?


No, don't wait with translation - 6.4 translation is already in
weblate, there won't be another way to translate for 6.4.

6.3 translations are so far still on pootle, but will eventually also
copied over to weblate instance.

ciao
Christian


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Current status of Weblate?

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Christian Lohmaier schreef op 05.11.2019 12:09:

Hi Stanislav, *,

On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 2:16 PM Stanislav Horáček
 wrote:


I would like to ask about the current status of Weblate. If I 
understand

it correctly, only Weblate will be used for translation of LO 6.4.


Already is...


To be specific:
- slow performance,


Can you be more specific?
Is it slow for you all the time or only when I update templates?


When I translate or change an item, klikking on safe takes about 15 
seconds to safe.



Apart from the known slowdowns during this operation, weblate doesn't
run on the final hardware yet, we'll have a dedicated machine to run
the translation services on, so performance overall should be a bit
better - but if you experience overall slowdown, please let us know
for what operations exactly.


- translation memory and terminology are not included (should we add
them ourselves?),


No, don't add it yourself, I added translation memory from pootle, but
he way weblate makes use of it doesn't scale for large projects like
ours.
It is again more suited for many little projects. In other words:
Translation memory view is slow and also matches way too loosely to be
useful.
Translation memory will be handled by a separate translation memory
server that we'll hook up to weblate.

What is in weblate is the translation history/cross-referencing of
other same/very similar translated strings.


- instructions for translating refer to old Pootle, e.g. [1].

Is addressing of these issues planned? In other words, is it worth to
wait with translation, or should we live with what we have now?


No, don't wait with translation - 6.4 translation is already in
weblate, there won't be another way to translate for 6.4.

6.3 translations are so far still on pootle, but will eventually also
copied over to weblate instance.

ciao
Christian


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Searching in Weblate

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Hi Sophi

sophi schreef op 15.10.2019 15:16:

Hi Kees,

Le 06/10/2019 à 09:34, kees...@libreoffice.org a écrit :

I tried searching in Weblate.
I searched for the reference E6L2o.
In Pootle I got a match after about 10 seconds
In Weblate it took several minutes and it found no match.
I did the following in weblate:
In the main window I went to Tools > Find (don’t know the exact 
English

words, because I see them in Dutch)
I fill in the searched item in the box Find.
I tick all the boxes.


Why did you tick all the boxes when you know you search for a comment?


I didn't know which one would do the trick



I leave the rest unchanged.
I chose my language. (it will be useful if my language is default)


It will stay at your preferred language in the search box, but yes I
agree that it takes some time. I'll see with Cloph and Guilhem is there
is something we can do to speed up the process.


When you start searching you have to pick your lanquage first. It would 
be nice if your language is default there.


Greetings, kees


Cheers
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[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [WeblateOrg/weblate] Searching for context in Weblate (#3098)

[kees538]

Thanks Michal. I didn't notice this change.
Any idea when this is going to be live?
I hope it will be live before we migrate to Weblate.

Kind regards, Kees

Thanks Mi
Michal Čihař schreef op 09.10.2019 09:13:

Search is currently being rewritten and that should address this. Part
of that is already in master ready for the 3.9 release, second part
will land for the 3.10, see #2643 [1] for more details.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Searching in Weblate

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Thanks, I did file the request there

Ilmari Lauhakangas schreef op 08.10.2019 08:12:

https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues

But please check, if your wish is already covered by existing
search-related reports:
https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+search

Ilmari

kees...@libreoffice.org kirjoitti 8.10.2019 klo 8.35:

Where can I file a bug for Weblate?
Is that also bugzilla?

Yaron Shahrabani schreef op 06.10.2019 09:47:
So I'm guessing you can file a bug against Weblate to add a feature 
to

search in context.
Good point!
Yaron Shahrabani





On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:38 AM  wrote:


I tried searching in Weblate.
I searched for the reference E6L2o.
In Pootle I got a match after about 10 seconds
In Weblate it took several minutes and it found no match.
I did the following in weblate:
In the main window I went to Tools > Find (don’t know the exact 
English

words, because I see them in Dutch)
I fill in the searched item in the box Find.
I tick all the boxes.
I leave the rest unchanged.
I chose my language. (it will be useful if my language is default)

Kind regards, Kees

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Searching in Weblate

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Where can I file a bug for Weblate?
Is that also bugzilla?

Yaron Shahrabani schreef op 06.10.2019 09:47:

So I'm guessing you can file a bug against Weblate to add a feature to
search in context.
Good point!
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On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:38 AM  wrote:


I tried searching in Weblate.
I searched for the reference E6L2o.
In Pootle I got a match after about 10 seconds
In Weblate it took several minutes and it found no match.
I did the following in weblate:
In the main window I went to Tools > Find (don’t know the exact 
English

words, because I see them in Dutch)
I fill in the searched item in the box Find.
I tick all the boxes.
I leave the rest unchanged.
I chose my language. (it will be useful if my language is default)

Kind regards, Kees

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[libreoffice-l10n] Searching in Weblate

[kees538]

I tried searching in Weblate.
I searched for the reference E6L2o.
In Pootle I got a match after about 10 seconds
In Weblate it took several minutes and it found no match.
I did the following in weblate:
In the main window I went to Tools > Find (don’t know the exact English 
words, because I see them in Dutch)

I fill in the searched item in the box Find.
I tick all the boxes.
I leave the rest unchanged.
I chose my language. (it will be useful if my language is default)

Kind regards, Kees

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[libreoffice-l10n] server down?

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When I try to log in to the Nextcloud I get the message "Internal Server 
Error".

Is there a problem with the server?

Regards, Kees

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate: copy XML tags to translated text

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The Ctrl shortcuts don't work with me too.
What I do (as a work around) is copy the whole thing to the translation 
window and then translate the text.


Cheers, Kees

Mihail Balabanov schreef op 15.09.2019 01:05:

Hmm… Then maybe it is broken or turned off for us?
I just tried it again. XML tags are not highlighted in any way, the 
Ctr+1…9
shortcuts do nothing and clicking on the tags themselves also does 
nothing

(Firefox 69.0 64-bit on Windows 10 build 18362).
See this segment for example:
https://weblate.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textshared02/bg/?type=todo=7

BTW clicking on tags as opposed to using Ctr+n-type shortcuts is 
important
because when there are more than a few tags (think long paragraphs in 
the
Help), it becomes cumbersome to count them to select the correct 
shortcut

for transfer instead of just clicking on it.


On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 11:40 PM Adolfo Jayme Barrientos <
f...@libreoffice.org> wrote:


But Weblate DOES have this feature, it’s even tied to keyboard
shortcuts: Ctrl+1 will insert the first XML tag, Ctrl+2 the second
one, and so on… I don’t know what you all are arguing about…



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate: Missing features, project folder view and search across the whole project

[kees538]

I didn't notice this yet. But this is indeed a very important feature of 
Pootle what can't be missed.


Cheers, Kees

Cheng-Chia Tseng schreef op 12.09.2019 13:53:
In Pootle, translators can search specific term/translation in the 
whole
project, such as LibreOffice UI, LibreOffice Help, LibreOffice Online, 
etc.


This feature enables translators to check existing terms or 
translations
and fix them. Weblate only provides the search and replace tool, but 
not
useful as you typically have to search for existing ones first (view) 
and
then to decide to replace them all once or manually change them 
according

to the context one by one (edit).

Listing the components as folders under the project and searching text
across the whole project are quite important features in the daily
translation workflow.

The way Pootle works is designed to serve multiple translation files 
under

different projects which fits LibreOffice well while Weblate is not.

If we are moving to Weblate, and that should be solved to fill the 
missing

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate: copy XML tags to translated text

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Olivier Hallot schreef op 03.09.2019 15:43:

Pootle have a nice feature that weblate miss, -> future improvement...

In pootle, clicking on a source XML tag copies it to the cursor 
position

in the translation area. Handy to prevent mistakes when typing source
tags (links specially).


You can always use copy past :-)


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate instance for testing purposes

[kees538]

I continued doing some translations at Weblate and I must say I get used 
to it.
In the beginning all changes are strange and we don’t want to change as 
we are used to the current.
As I got more used to Weblate I don’t see many disadvantages any more 
and when the history is added I don’t see why we shouldn’t migrate to 
it.


Kind regards,
Kees

sophi schreef op 27.08.2019 16:37:

Hi all,

We have deployed a Weblate instance for testing purpose here:
https://vm137.documentfoundation.org/

You can login with your Pootle account. Cloph has updated it with the
last strings from master.

*NOTE*: *it is for testing purpose only*, the test will go-on until end
of LibOCon and we will make a decision about migration from Pootle to
Weblate after this test.

Anonymous making suggestions are not reflected here, only those
belonging to a group are able to test.

Your feedback is very welcome of course, we will take it into account
before making a decision.

Don't hesitate if you have question.
Happy testing :)
Cheers
Sophie

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate instance for testing purposes

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Ilmari Lauhakangas schreef op 01.09.2019 07:52:

kees...@libreoffice.org kirjoitti 1.9.2019 klo 8.00:

Christian Lohmaier schreef op 31.08.2019 15:39:

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 6:59 AM  wrote:


In Pootle, below a string to translate, there are suggestions with
former translations.
I miss those in Weblate, or are they somewhere ells?


Weblate has similar feature, see for example:
https://vm137.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textsdraw04/de/?checksum=f7176f58b13e677f#machine 
(But weblate only knows has master translations, thus no strings from

previous versions)

That is one feature of pootle that I will mis than.


The translation memory from previous versions can be imported:
https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/memory.html

Translation memory scopes

New in version 3.2: The different translation memory scopes are
available since Weblate 3.2, prior to this release translation memory
could be only loaded from file corresponding to the current imported
translation memory scope.

The translation memory scopes are there to allow both privacy and
sharing of translations, depending on the actual desired behavior.
Imported translation memory

You can import arbitrary translation memory data using import_memory
command. The memory content will be available for all users and
projects.

https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/management.html#django-admin-import_memory

manage.py import_memory 

Imports a TMX or JSON file into the Weblate Translation Memory.

--language-map LANGMAP

Allows to map languages in the TMX to Weblate one. The language
codes are mapped after normalization usually done by Weblate.

For example --language-map en_US:en will import all en_US strings
as en ones.

This can be useful in case your TMX file locales does not match
what you use in Weblate.


Ilmari


This will be great. Are we going to use it?

Kees

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate instance for testing purposes

[kees538]

That is one feature of pootle that I will mis than.

Christian Lohmaier schreef op 31.08.2019 15:39:

Hi,

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 6:59 AM  wrote:


In Pootle, below a string to translate, there are suggestions with
former translations.
I miss those in Weblate, or are they somewhere ells?


Weblate has similar feature, see for example:
https://vm137.documentfoundation.org/translate/libo_help-master/textsdraw04/de/?checksum=f7176f58b13e677f#machine

(But weblate only knows has master translations, thus no strings from
previous versions)

ciao
Christian


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate instance for testing purposes

[kees538]

In Pootle, below a string to translate, there are suggestions with 
former translations.

I miss those in Weblate, or are they somewhere ells?

Kind regards, Kees

sophi schreef op 27.08.2019 16:37:

Hi all,

We have deployed a Weblate instance for testing purpose here:
https://vm137.documentfoundation.org/

You can login with your Pootle account. Cloph has updated it with the
last strings from master.

*NOTE*: *it is for testing purpose only*, the test will go-on until end
of LibOCon and we will make a decision about migration from Pootle to
Weblate after this test.

Anonymous making suggestions are not reflected here, only those
belonging to a group are able to test.

Your feedback is very welcome of course, we will take it into account
before making a decision.

Don't hesitate if you have question.
Happy testing :)
Cheers
Sophie

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate instance for testing purposes

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kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 29.08.2019 07:04:

Christian Lohmaier schreef op 28.08.2019 13:31:

Hi *,

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 11:05 AM Ilmari Lauhakangas
 wrote:


Who volunteers to create a feature request?
https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues


Doubt that this will be implemented, as weblate is built around that
single-file-component concept.

However I created the next-best-thing that Weblate has to offer for
grouping, namely Component lists for Help project:
https://vm137.documentfoundation.org/#componentlists

Does something like this already help?


Not realy, because when you open the link, again there are a lot of 
lists.


But it is nice to have different folders for Help and UI.


ciao
Christian


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate instance for testing purposes

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Christian Lohmaier schreef op 28.08.2019 13:31:

Hi *,

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 11:05 AM Ilmari Lauhakangas
 wrote:


Who volunteers to create a feature request?
https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues


Doubt that this will be implemented, as weblate is built around that
single-file-component concept.

However I created the next-best-thing that Weblate has to offer for
grouping, namely Component lists for Help project:
https://vm137.documentfoundation.org/#componentlists

Does something like this already help?


Not realy, because when you open the link, again there are a lot of 
lists.


ciao
Christian


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate instance for testing purposes

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sophi schreef op 28.08.2019 10:42:

Hi,

Le 28/08/2019 à 08:14, kees...@libreoffice.org a écrit :

I agree with Cheng.
All the different small parts of items makes it uncomfortable to see
what to translate.
Better is to have one folder of untranslated items (like Pootle)
And saving a change and skip to the next item seems a bit slow to me.


This is not possible currently on Weblate and I agree this is not the
best, but Weblate has many other nice features :)


Can you tell us more about those features.
So we don't all have to look for them.

Greetings, Kees


Cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Weblate instance for testing purposes

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I agree with Cheng.
All the different small parts of items makes it uncomfortable to see 
what to translate.

Better is to have one folder of untranslated items (like Pootle)
And saving a change and skip to the next item seems a bit slow to me.

Kind regards, Kees

Cheng-Chia Tseng schreef op 27.08.2019 19:07:
Olivier Hallot  於 2019年8月27日 週二 
下午11:45寫道：



Hi
You can restrict to disply your language only in your profile in
"translated languages". Then save the setting.



Yeah, I have done that already.
I'm talking about Weblate lists one file by one file instead of folder 
view

display as Pootle does.
That is the problem for me to choose the right project (better to see 
UI

/Help / Online in group).


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] comparison list functions Calc and Excel

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Hi Dennis

Thanks, I added your link.

Kind regards, Kees

Dennis Roczek schreef op 16.07.2019 11:23:

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Hi Kees,


Hi,

On 14.07.2019 07:56, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:

Great. I will add a link to the file in the Guide.
better use some hub/tdf.io-Link, so that are able to modify the link 
in

the background when somebody is finally able to update the table.


Sorry, I don't know what that is.

I have created one:
https://tdf.io/calcexcelfunctioncomparison

Use that link. We are able to change the tdf.io-Link in the background
if we finally update the comparison.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask me.

Best Regards,

Dennis Roczek
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] comparison list functions Calc and Excel

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Dennis Roczek schreef op 14.07.2019 14:23:

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Hi,

On 14.07.2019 07:56, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:

Great. I will add a link to the file in the Guide.

better use some hub/tdf.io-Link, so that are able to modify the link in
the background when somebody is finally able to update the table.


Sorry, I don't know what that is.


Best,

Dennis Roczek
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] comparison list functions Calc and Excel

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Great. I will add a link to the file in the Guide.


Dennis Roczek schreef op 13.07.2019 18:32:

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Hi Kees,

On 13.07.2019 07:06, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:

Hi Dennis

Thanks for answering my question.
I understand that the list is very outdated and need to be updated.
Maybe it is best to leave te referring out of the Guide?
At least until the list is updated.

well basically neither MSO nor LibreOffice added thousands new
functions, so basically all the functions are still the same and still
correct; so only a "few" are missing. And I guess most users do not use
these.




Kind regards, Kees


Dennis Roczek
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] comparison list functions Calc and Excel

[kees538]

Hi Dennis

Thanks for answering my question.
I understand that the list is very outdated and need to be updated.
Maybe it is best to leave te referring out of the Guide?
At least until the list is updated.

Kind regards, Kees

Dennis Roczek schreef op 12.07.2019 15:09:

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Hi Kees,

On 12.07.2019 11:23, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:

Hi All

The Calc Guide, chapter "Formulas and functons", refers to a list for
comparison of functions in Calc and Excel.
Op page 19 it says:

However, the majority of functions can be used in both Calc and Excel
without any change. A comparison list may be found on the LibreOffice
wiki, linked from the Documentation/Publications page.

Uff, that's the old outdated comparison...


I can't find a reference on the wiki though. Can there be added a
hyperlink in this Calc guide?> If anyone can tell me where this list c

an be found, I can add the

reference in the Guide, if wanted.

Please see:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Functions_comparison_of_LibreOffice_
Calc_and_Excel

which links to two documents:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Documentation/Public
ations=next=148497
(archived version, which was moved to third party resources but never
made it to that new page; @Kenneth Hanson: any reason for that?)

So basically we are talking about MSO2013 vs. Calc 4(?) comparison 
liste

d at
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Excel2013_Calc_Functions_Compar
ison.ods

Before updating the Calc Guide: I guess we finally should get these
comparison up-to-date and in a useful visual way.

A few years(!) ago I started a similar page for Apple Numbers - and it
is still on my todo-list - but well...
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Functions_comparison_of_LibreOffice_
Calc_and_Numbers
If you look at CONVERT_ADD for example, you see why I do need much time
as I was analyzing the stuff in-depth.


King regards,
Kees


Best regards,
Dennis Roczek
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[libreoffice-l10n] comparison list functions Calc and Excel

[kees538]

Hi All

The Calc Guide, chapter "Formulas and functons", refers to a list for 
comparison of functions in Calc and Excel.

Op page 19 it says:

However, the majority of functions can be used in both Calc and Excel 
without any change. A comparison list may be found on the LibreOffice 
wiki, linked from the Documentation/Publications page.


I can't find a reference on the wiki though. Can there be added a 
hyperlink in this Calc guide?
If anyone can tell me where this list can be found, I can add the 
reference in the Guide, if wanted.


King regards,
Kees

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[libreoffice-l10n] Correction of string in pootle

[kees538]

Hi all

String eakFE in pootle says:

=SWITCH(MONTH(A3),1,"January",2,"February",3,"March","No 
match") returns "January" when A3=1, February when A3=2 , etc...


But the function need a date in A3 instead of a number.
So in my opinion the string should be:

=SWITCH(MONTH(A3),1,"January",2,"February",3,"March","No 
match") returns "January" when A3 contains a date in January, 
"February" when A3 contains a date in February , etc...


Kind regards,
Kees

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] accest to Silver Stripe Server

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Guilhem Moulin schreef op 11.02.2019 13:48:

On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 07:03:38 +0100, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:

Guilhem Moulin schreef op 10.02.2019 13:47:

On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 at 09:47:14 +0100, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:

If I go to
https://nl.libreoffice.org/Security/login?BackURL=%2Fadmin%2Fpages (
as I
used to do) and then log in to the single sign-on then I get to the
wrong
page.


Which page?


https://www.libreoffice.org/


I can't reproduce this.  As I wrote previously, the server is 
configured

so https://nl.libreoffice.org/Security/login?BackURL=%2Fadmin%2Fpages
and https://www.libreoffice.org/admin/pages redirect to the very same
page 
https://www.libreoffice.org/Security/login?BackURL=%2Fadmin%2Fpages

(resp. via 303 and 302 codes).  Which in turn 302-redirects to
https://auth.documentfoundation.org/saml/singleSignOn?… with the very
same backurl
https://www.libreoffice.org/Security/login?BackURL=%2Fadmin%2Fpages.

So as far as SSO is concerned you're always coming from
https://www.libreoffice.org/Security/login?BackURL=%2Fadmin%2Fpages ,
and are always redirected back there after authentication.  If that's
not where you land then I believe your browser is using a cached
redirect Location, not the ones sent from the server.

Are you able to reproduce this in another browser, or using a new fresh
profile?


I normaly use FireFox. So now I tried it in Microsoft Edge, but the 
result is thesame.




Perhaps your browser is using a cached redirect rule for the first 
one?


I always clean my cache when I'm done.


Most likely you're talking about cookie and page cache?  Permanent
redirect rules, like http://libreoffice.org → 
https://www.libreoffice.org/ ,

are not affected.  As seen in the network console, the http:// URL is
not queried again.  The internet has plenty of HOWTOs for clearing
permanent (301) redirect rules under your favorite browser.


I'm going to try.




Flushing your redirect cache should fix this.  If you activate debug
mode (Menu » Web Developer » Network for Firefox; and Menu » More 
tools

»
Developer tools » Network for Chrome/Chromium) you'll see the landing
page, and the kind of redirect rule (301, 302, 303) in use.


Hmmm... I'm not familiar with these actions.


…and I gave some steps to follow? Oo


Oké, thanks so far. If nothing helps I always have the workaroung Cor 
provided me.


Thanks again, Kees

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] accest to Silver Stripe Server

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Guilhem Moulin schreef op 10.02.2019 13:47:

On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 at 09:47:14 +0100, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:

If I go to
https://nl.libreoffice.org/Security/login?BackURL=%2Fadmin%2Fpages ( 
as I
used to do) and then log in to the single sign-on then I get to the 
wrong

page.


Which page?


https://www.libreoffice.org/



But if I go to https://www.libreoffice.org/admin/pages ( as Cor 
suggested)

and then log into thesame single sign-on I go to silver stripe.


https://nl.libreoffice.org/Security/login?BackURL=%2Fadmin%2Fpages and
https://www.libreoffice.org/admin/pages redirect to the very same page:

$ curl -sw'%{http_code} %{redirect_url}\n' \
-o/dev/null
"https://nl.libreoffice.org/Security/login?BackURL=%2Fadmin%2Fpages; \
-o/dev/null "https://www.libreoffice.org/admin/pages;
303 
https://www.libreoffice.org/Security/login?BackURL=%2Fadmin%2Fpages
302 
https://www.libreoffice.org/Security/login?BackURL=%2Fadmin%2Fpages


Perhaps your browser is using a cached redirect rule for the first one?


I always clean my cache when I'm done.


Flushing your redirect cache should fix this.  If you activate debug
mode (Menu » Web Developer » Network for Firefox; and Menu » More tools 
»

Developer tools » Network for Chrome/Chromium) you'll see the landing
page, and the kind of redirect rule (301, 302, 303) in use.


Hmmm... I'm not familiar with these actions.

Kees

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] accest to Silver Stripe Server

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kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 10.02.2019 09:37:

Cor Nouws schreef op 09.02.2019 12:07:

Hi Kees,

kees...@libreoffice.org wrote on 2/9/19 8:24 AM:

I too have problems accessing silverstripe.
I used to log in at:
https://nl.libreoffice.org/Security/login?BackURL=%2Fadmin%2Fpages


Same for me.


So I discoverred a workarround now.
If I go to 
https://nl.libreoffice.org/Security/login?BackURL=%2Fadmin%2Fpages ( as 
I used to do) and then log in to the single sign-on then I get to the 
wrong page.
But if I go to https://www.libreoffice.org/admin/pages ( as Cor 
suggested) and then log into thesame single sign-on I go to silver 
stripe. Problem solved?


Greetings, Kees


But now I am forwarded to a singel signon page at:
https://auth.documentfoundation.org/

After login I land on https://www.libreoffice.org/admin/pages


If I click the link to the admin pages above I land on the 
suilverstripe page.

So I do have acces, but are not connected properly.


and then on the right side I can choose Dutch NL.

Can it be that you had a different mail address for Silverstripe than
for the single sign on account? In that case you should be able to add
it in the settings, and then Guilhem (CC)/* has to run a script to 
make

sure that the address is known at the places needed.

Cheers,
Cor

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] accest to Silver Stripe Server

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Cor Nouws schreef op 09.02.2019 12:07:

Hi Kees,

kees...@libreoffice.org wrote on 2/9/19 8:24 AM:

I too have problems accessing silverstripe.
I used to log in at:
https://nl.libreoffice.org/Security/login?BackURL=%2Fadmin%2Fpages


Same for me.


But now I am forwarded to a singel signon page at:
https://auth.documentfoundation.org/

After login I land on https://www.libreoffice.org/admin/pages


If I click the link to the admin pages above I land on the suilverstripe 
page.

So I do have acces, but are not connected properly.


and then on the right side I can choose Dutch NL.

Can it be that you had a different mail address for Silverstripe than
for the single sign on account? In that case you should be able to add
it in the settings, and then Guilhem (CC)/* has to run a script to make
sure that the address is known at the places needed.

Cheers,
Cor

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] accest to Silver Stripe Server

[kees538]

Hi Guilhem

Guilhem Moulin schreef op 09.02.2019 13:41:

Hi,

On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 at 12:07:04 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote:

Can it be that you had a different mail address for Silverstripe than
for the single sign on account? In that case you should be able to add
it in the settings, and then Guilhem (CC)/* has to run a script to 
make

sure that the address is known at the places needed.


Kees' last login to SilverStripe was today, so I guess the account is
properly configured :-)  What's the problem exactly, Kees?


I did'nt login to silverstripe but to the singel signon and then were 
transferred to https://www.libreoffice.org/.


The redirect to our Single Sign-On service is intentional, and has been
is place since the first week of September 2018.  Using
https://www.libreoffice.org/admin/pages as a single entry point for all
subsites is more recent (January 2019); we did that to avoid setting up
multiple SAML SdP and/or using wildcard cookies.  As Cor, you can 
select

subsites on the left menu.  And if you have access to a single subsite
it should even be pre-selected.


I do'nt see any menu where I can select any subsites.
As Cor suggested I had a different user for silverstripe.
It was kees...@gmail.com.
For the singel signon it is Kees538.

Cheers, Kees


Cheers,


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] accest to Silver Stripe Server

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Hi Sophie

I too have problems accessing silverstripe.
I used to log in at: 
https://nl.libreoffice.org/Security/login?BackURL=%2Fadmin%2Fpages


But now I am forwarded to a singel signon page at:
https://auth.documentfoundation.org/saml/singleSignOn?SAMLRequest=nVLLbsIwEPyVyPc8ecYCJAqqikRbRGgPvVROsgZLjp16ndL%2BfU0CKr1w6MnS7s7szHgnyCpZ03ljD2oLHw2g9b4qqZC2jSlpjKKaoUCqWAVIbUGz%2BeOaJkFEa6OtLrQkV5DbCIYIxgqtiLdaTsk7jwcRsDjnMEzjQcF7IyjZqD8e5b0kTWPOB8M4LqM8T4n3CgYdckockYMjNrBSaJmyrhTFqR8lfpTuohGNx7SfvBFv6dwIxWyLOlhbIw1D5qwGpS6aCpTlulFlOxBosw9PBkIUai8hE3v17GTOL4oXWqHDmAzMpyjgZbv%2B5Twej4EUuQHNuet1XKKqJbSMlS4bCUF9qM8bujfxWYFtNct6xNuc07wTqnQSbgeZd0NIH3a7jb95znZkNjmR0jYYM%2Fu%2FtAosc5mwi7JJeM076Q7mySlaLTdaiuLbu9emYva24FNFlD5vR6k1TKFwH%2BACllIfFwaYhSmxpgESzrqVf89y9gM%3D=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.libreoffice.org%2FSecurity%2Flogin%3FBackURL%3D%252Fadmin%252Fpages=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2F04%2Fxmldsig-more%23rsa-sha256=Q9WsFaMuelHErk6U9yWfojGvVHK%2BkwfrmyM8%2BWXI2ytCx67FjgKwBB7ndFhDQVbEOb%2F9eQ1HmGH05b%2Fve44gkfRlZMeuKdLZ%2B5KY%2BwMlal6vztxo9pFZ51kaLhrxoeRrKtEPYmUURTYTZD3L1d5GueHzDT3vvfyxbKXwYNBMHlTKP87C1YW%2BZJHpAzcsewlyyiVuQtshww3P2P5IeDrjbvElXbpMEGOpM2%2B6XFg
%2BwGxVLkdiLtz0PFs3UQYehEIx3YvZjxiD4f7XK6aXJMYL34s9Cv%2FhObOz5DIHfXyq6YC1yAig%2FKDFH44Ps%2BJPJtTaf9NIchqG2cdFKhXY77BCbg%3D%3D

When I log in I don't get forwarded to siverstripe but to 
https://www.libreoffice.org/


Please advice, Kees

Rhoslyn Prys schreef op 08.02.2019 10:29:
Thanks Sophie, when I login unsing my user name and password I'n sent 
to


https://www.libreoffice.org/Security/login?BackURL=%2Fadmin%2Fpages

and get an error message:


 Server error

Sorry, there was a problem with handling your request.

This has not happened in the past. How do I get to the SiolverStripe
pages to update them.

Thanks

Rhos

Ar 07/02/2019 15:19, ysgrifennodd sophi:

Hi Rhoslyn,

Le 07/02/2019 à 16:08, Rhoslyn Prys a écrit :

I'm getting a 'Server error' message when attmpting to access Silver
Stripe to update cy.libreoffice.org.

Is it possible to hav a copy of any changes mate to the 
libreoffice.org

websit following the 6.2 launch?

I'm not sure if there have been changes to the access proceedures 
since

6.1?

We are using an SSO to connect to the services, do you already have an
account here: https://user.documentfoundation.org/ ?
If not, please create one and if you still meet issues, let me know
Cheers
Sophie


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